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  • Hi Nguyên,

    Do you happen to know of the artificially-constructed language of "Dawetidish" and its creator Quark Hsuan-d0ong? He goes by the public nickname of "guocuozuoduo" and after researching a little bit about his 1500-word language, I just cannot help but feeling a vibe that you would know the creator of this language somehow. And IIRC I think i probably have seen his name as the editor around here before. 

    Below is the link to the wikia article. It's situated on the conlang wikia - a wikia for constructed languages. Perhaps you are much more familiar with it than I am. https://conlang.wikia.com/wiki/Dawetidish

    Best regards,

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    • Greetings, Animus745!

      I do not about Dawetidish (Dávḕtʹə́dŋà) until you've introduced that to me. However, the language is only 4% constructed, so I can't tell much. The sound inventory looks good; & the fact that one letter can stand for several sounds, like V for [w][ʋ][β] suggests that these three sounds are allophones of each other. Alternatively, the three pronunciations may vary depeding on dialects. Therefore I can't  work out Dawetidish sound-laws.

      From the table in the Grammar section, I think Dawetidish is an isolating language without inflections & derivatives. So Dawetidish vocabulary will have a vocabulary rich of function words (adpositions, tense words, conjunctions, etc.) & Dawetidish speakers will rely much more on word-order to correctly convey messages. However, those languages actually work in real-life, like Vietnamese & Chinese.

      (well, Vietnamese & Chinese actually descend from proto-languages which produced new words by means of derivation: e.g. Proto-Austroasiatic t͡ʃɛ:ʔ > Vietnamese xáy , now a rare dialectal word  for "to dig, to hollow" > reduplication t͡ʃ.t͡ʃɛ:ʔ > t͡ʃɛ: > xay "to grind" & with r nominative infix t͡ʃ.rɛ:ʔ > ɟɛ: > chày "pestle" (examples given by Ferlus 2009)).

      Also, QHsD has not revealed anything about Dawetidish syntax yet, so I will await further updates!

      Again, many thanks!

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    • Thank you very much for having dedicated time for this trivial task. I am aware that Dawetidish is no where near a functional, let alone complete or mildly vernacularized yet. But again it was more about the feeling of association between you and him than actual linguistics. I was thinking you and him mayhaps know each other from an academic circle. Now I know you guys don't.

      Anyways, I am just now able to reply to your deconstruction since I was busy last week. Many thanks again for your time! Your replying certainly signifies a degree of allowance for inquiries about the granular and mundane stuff that I will happen to question about. You must be a very good graduate student and teaching assistant for that matter.

      Best regards.

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    • I'm not not a LING grad student (though I've already earnt my History BA). Still, I'm looking forwards to being a TA & a career in Historical Linguistics as well.

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  • Chào Thiên. A fellow linguist I see. Bạn có hiểu biết khá rộng về ngôn ngữ. Mình mới đến wiki này và mình nói được Tiếng Việt. Chúng ta nói chuyện bằng tiếng việt được không? hi.

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    • Chào Animus!

      Mình rất ấn tượng với suy đoán có tính chất giáo dục của bạn (your educated guess). Tên thật của mình là Nguyên (元). Mình hiện là sinh viên ở Đại Học Maryland, khoa Ngôn Ngữ. Mình chọn chữ Thiên kim văn theo ý thích thôi, nhưng cũng là vì mình lai Trung-Việt!

      Hân hạnh!

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    • À ra vậy. Mình thấy ảnh đại diện của bạn khá là groovy, cộng thêm cái tên của bạn nữa, nên mình cảm thấy có chút hứng thú. Mình sẽ tạm dừng lại ở kết luận nghĩa của nó là "knight-errant" hoặc "squire" chứ "boy" x2 nghe có vẻ khá buồn cười - cho dù nó khá là hợp với ảnh đại diện của bạn. Or maybe KnaboKnehtaz is just a agreeable turn of phrase pronunciation- and meaning-wise coined to aid memorizing and learning haha (Xin lỗi mình không thể diễn tả nghĩa của câu này bằng tiếng việt được, như cái cụm "educated guess" của bạn đó).

      Thực ra mình thấy bạn đầu tiên không phải ở LoL wikia mà ở AoE2 cơ. You had quite a debunking streak about Vietnamese history in the Vietnamese civilization article.

      Cảm ơn Nguyên đã trả lời và rất mong nghe từ bạn.

      Thân gửi,

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  • Calling for help with Gun Goddess Miss Fortune voice-overs: What is EXO saying and which language is it?
    Miss Fortune 097
    and
    Miss Fortune 150
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    • The first one is Arabic aṭlaqa n-nāra f-al-ḥufra أطلق النار فالحفرة. Meaning "Fire in the Hole".

      Credits to Hassen Benamor, an YT user.

      The second is Russian. I only work out "Ruki" (hands). The most logical follow-up should be "vvjerkh" (EXO's /v/ is so much velarized that it sounds like /ɣ/).

      On a whole: "Ruki vvjerkh." Hands up!

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  • Hello Knabo.

    I noticed you've been using Blogs to post any etymology items that could be up for discussion. However, it would be best if you kept them to one blog to avoid spam posting, even if your intentions are proper. And as I had commented, please place a statement of purpose at the top of the page.

    I would also advise that if there are no answers from anyone, that you move these blogs into a more personal space. While it is nice you are trying to discuss etymology, it isn't a core topic of discussion and may be better explored as a personal project. Some etymology on the wikia were scrounged up aimlessly or by people who only knew the bare minimum, so imo, there is no need to take it to the blog space.

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    •  

      I appreciate your concern, yet I will need to to kindly provide me with instructions on how to start my own sandbox.

      Many thanks before hand!

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    • A sandbox can be created by making a new page under the name of "User:XXX/Sandbox"

      The XXX is your username, which would be KnaboKnehtaz, and "Sandbox" can be anything as long as it fits to what kind of sandbox you are making. Thus it can be "User:KnaboKnehtaz/EtymologySandbox" if you're using it for Etymology.

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  • Hello Knabo,

    Wished to ask a request in regards to the name of a champion concept that I've made and am continually updating. His name is "Izo," and I've been trying to pinpoint a proper origin of the name. I've seen it around, but my brief online-check brings what I assume to be unclear answers. If could help me clarify what the name, or term, may mean or originate from, it would be very helpful.

    Thank you in advance.

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    • GreenMoriyama wrote:
      If to feed your hunger for proper Etymology, I will share the nature of my name...

      Jokes aside, my name is simply 供林, and was put together in order to sound like "green." You may call me whatever you find suitable.

      Otherwise, I'm surprised to see that the names I pulled together actually work. Why the surprise? Velsi Jhorn's name is an anagram (can you find out what anagram it be?)

      Given that the first noun coming to my mind when re-arranging the letters is "Silver"; I 'reconstructed' the 'proto-form' John Silver.

      As for your proper name 供林, in kan’yōon reading would be ぐりん gurin (thanks to wiktionary), indeed sounding like "Green". Fascinating!

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    • Glad you were able to arrive at that finding relatively quickly. Hopefully means that I didn't make the anagram too hard to notice.

      My parents wished for an eco-friendly name, and decided to have it be able trees (林 meaning "woodlands") and sound like "green." (^_^

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  • Noticed your edits for the Demacia pronunciation, and it piqued my interest, seeing the Jarvan IV OriginalSquare Jarvan is the only one who pronounces the name not with an "ɔ" (as in "maw"/"awful"), instead as "ɑ" (as in "macbook"/"cast"). Do you think it's necessary to mention this difference? Even if it's only in one instance (his taunt), I believe there should be such an indicatio;. the Prince of all people is making a slightly different pronunciation, so...

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    • Greetings, GreenMoriyama!

      I also noticed that Jarvan's taunting Demacia is pronounced with the open front unrounded /a/, as well as the "a" in one ulti yell (DEMACIA). Strangely, the last ulti yell's "a" is pronounced as open back /ɑ/. However, I don't think Jarvan pronounces the 1st "a" in Demacia as /ɔ/, since

      (1) He pronounces "topple" as [thɒpɫ], meaning that the voice actor Kyle Herbert distinguishes his rounded "o" [ɒ] from unrounded "a" [a ~ ɑ], even though they are all low vowels

      (2) /ɔ/ has lower F1 frequency, & I've encountered many /ɔ/s in my 29 years in many tongues that I naturally contrast /a/ /ɒ/ /ɑ/ from /ɔ/

      Hope these help.

      Respect & regards!

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    • Just wished to bring this to your attention, since my expertise in linguistics and the likes are limited and you seem to have the wealth of it. Thank you for the clarification.

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  • I see that you are finding some users, admittedly me being one of them, erasing information that may be true. I suggest messaging them (Raingducks77) a message in regards to this than having a small edit war.

    If things get out of hand, or Rainingducks is giving you a hard time, let me know. From the rather blunt edits Rainingduck is making, I will admit to taking your side of edits.

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    • GreenMoriyama wrote:
      I see that you are finding some users, admittedly me being one of them, erasing information that may be true. I suggest messaging them (Raingducks77) a message in regards to this than having a small edit war.

      If things get out of hand, or Rainingducks is giving you a hard time, let me know. From the rather blunt edits Rainingduck is making, I will admit to taking your side of edits.

      Greetings, Moriyama!

      Thanks for the suggestion & support. Starting an edit-war was & is never my intention.

      Modern geopolitics often obscure historical & cultural links (modern East Asia does not include Vietnamese even though Vietnam belongs to the Sinic cultural sphere), so to a certain extent I, a Chinese-Vietnamese, understood why Rainingducks would find it unbelievable that all Vietnamese have Chinese surnames (well, not out of their choice, simply due to Chinese domination).

      Best!

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    • I don't know if it's out of being baffled by the fact, but from what I see by their actions which lack any comment, I personally take it that they are simply denying your claims because of the thought of "Chinese and Vietnamese" must be different. You had done your research, they had not, and it showed.

      Once again, I would enforce your edits, but it is better if you and Duck chattered in ways for you two to understand each other than relying on a Mod to back one side or the other up in making the decision.

      Also, a note, I made edits to your Nami trivia. 波 is a very generic term, so there is no need to link it up to a specific source; whoever editted last must have been subpar in the JP department... or simply generalized it or flavoured it with the extra "ocean" part.

      Best to you too.a

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  • Hey there!

    I've noticed that you like to add speculation of etymological origins for various champion and lore names. While cute, it really has no justifiable basis. Although the threshold for inclusion on trivia pages/sections is admittedly lower than for other pages in the mainspace, your contributions stretch the boundaries of imagination.

    It's highly unlikely that Riot's design team used etymological roots while creating their universe. Their standard method involving brainstorming of names and selection of ones that "sounded right" is more probable.

    It's nice to know about a word's root if it relates to the champion or subject, but there are very few cases that display such a high degree of correlation. Identifying connections may be interesting, but to identify those that don't exist (especially when not mentioned by the team) takes it too far.

    Unless you can provide some source that Riot utilized linguistic expertise in their design or otherwise justify these additions, the more superfluous etymology details will be removed. The wiki (at least the mainspace) is not the medium for you to flaunt your linguistic geekery. You could consider using the material for a user blog post. — TehAnonymous Avatar TehAnonymous <3 15:11, July 20, 2017 (UTC)

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    • Thanks for the criticisms.

      I wished not to flaunt my geekery, but simply to explain many names with clear etymology (Malcolm Graves, Sarah Fortune, Quinn,  Ezreal, Janna, etc.) & even real names whose etymology is extremely unclear (e.g. Armenian Garen, pre-Greek Cassioepeia, Greek or Semitic Camille, etc.). Normally I would never bother to explain them but I corrected mistaken etymologies provided by other (e.g. Taliyah never means "queen" in Arabic, or Eliseba "daughter of God")

      As for sources, I admit that many times I arbitrarily & like you said, without justification, made etymological connections, with sources by expert linguists, to champions to their geographical backgrounds paralleling the real-life regions, even though the names may be mere nonsensicial but nice sounding words (Sivir, Irelia, Jarvan, Tahm Kench, Sejuani, Xerath, etc.).

      I welcome other editors to remove superfluous etymologies. Those are simply my contributions and never reflect all wikia editors opinions.

      Regards!

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    • Great, I wanted to touch base before any changes were made. See you around~

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