Talk:VPBE/@comment-24853646-20150805073722/@comment-4270771-20150806024631

I'd have to do the math to see if his E damage is the same early game, but even if its the same with the right build, there's still the huge issue of the self-slow, and the shorter silence. You can curb the self slow with items and masteries, but the most you're going to get is 40% slow resistance from masteries and boots of swiftness, and the 35 flat from cleaver + swift boots. This makes the self slow go from 20% to 12%, and gives you about 9%move from items, which means you are still slowing yourself by 3%.

Yes, that is a pretty negligable slow and you've basically negated the self slow, but that requires you to take certain masteries and spend a little over 4k gold on items before you can make up for the damage you are doing to yourself, when the same items before would be a huge buff, now they're just a crutch to keep you from sucking. Plus this forces you to take boots of swiftness, when boots should be the most flexible part of your build. Which is another issue with losing tenacity. Before you could take non-merc boots and still get a strong tenacity buff, now you HAVE to take mercs or get cc'd into the ground becaus you're so damn easy to kite, but that's makes your self slow cripple your ability to do your combo. So it's either take swift boots and get cc'd to death, or take mercs and not be able to catch your target even when you aren't cc'd.

Also I will always hold that stacking tenacity is not nearly as bad a people think it is. Stacks mulpicitavely, yes, but not being stunned is not being stunned. With his old W buff, plus masteries plus merc you are getting 59% cc reduction total. Besides ther mercs themselves you are getting an additional 24% reduction, aka a quarter of the cc duration taken off. Granted there are very few characters that can actually stack tenacity at all, but being melee range and kitable I find tenacity is worth its weight in gold (no pun intented).