Talk:Jax/@comment-24579657-20140809073733/@comment-5211662-20140903095416

Well, his late game is still very good, but now with the nerfs, a lot more champions can duel Jax effectively. Also, he has more counters during laning phase. I recently won hard my laning phase against Jax, using Lulu, something I was never confident to do before the nerfs.

He also cannot anymore do things such as towerdive you easily, or to jump on 3, 4, or even 5 champions at same time, and still have a chance to get out alive.

Tryndamere has tanky base stats, but he does not build tanky like Jax. He just builds damage items. That is the only reason why Tryndamere isn't the same absurd monster that Jax was before the nerfs, as at least you can better kite Tryndamere, and he has horrible teamfighting presence due to this. But imagine if Tryndamere was tanky.

Better, imagine if Vayne and Veigar were tanky. A good Vayne is extremely difficult to duel due to her true damage based on your max health, her mobility, stealth, and the build that she does, that has crits. A Veigar late-game is capable of bursting down any champion that is squishy, even AD champions if he is farmed well. What balances their dueling and bursting capabilities are their squishiness. If they were tanky, they would surely be monsters just like Jax was, because they would be already difficult to duel, but would also have the advantage of being very hard to kill.