Talk:Pantheon/@comment-5877442-20140219142446/@comment-5877442-20140221143249

if you read just a little bit further, youd know why. sure, riven can go in with e w. if her enemies let her. its a 325 range dash, with ult its still only 400. thats incredibly short. and if she is behind she will get blown up before she even comes close. also, she lacks true initiation, and her "aoe stun" will rarely hit more than 2. and if her engage goes wrong she is dead. she wont have the time to qqq out. riven has a good amount of free damage. as for mobility, yes, and no. yes, she is more mobile during the fight. but she has a lot harder time getting to the enemy,

How do you build Panth? As a tanky initiator or as an AD bruiser? Assuming you build similarly to Riven, as an AD caster, why are you the one initiatin a big fight? Surely isn't that your tank's job? I don't see how if Riven lacks true initiation, Panth somehow has one. A dash that stuns. With your logic, I could say Elise is a good engager with Rappel and Cocoon, but obviously, she's not.

Riven has more mobility that Panth in general. Sure, his ult allows him to get halfway across the map in an instant, but Riven doesn't have to wait 2 mins for it and can escape after going in as well. An EQQQW is very fast and closes a large ditance, as well as bing on a low cooldown.