Talk:Vayne/@comment-93.138.38.4-20110517121126/@comment-93.138.20.5-20110517173937

You're talking about use of Condemn. I assumed that the both parts will land. Which when you're fighting in the jungle (50% of fights?) is quite easy and you can sometimes land it easily in lanes. Also 3v3 (but i probably shouldn't use 3v3 as argument since noone gives a damn about it). Even if Condemn was extremely difficult to land (both parts that is), that still does not justify stupid high base damage. And Condemn being physical isn't much of a problem. most chamo start with 15ish armor and with Vayne you'll have ArmPen runes and masteries. By the time you get to lvl 9 for full damage, their final armor will probably be around their MR if they hadn0t bought some armor items.

And range argument isn't much. It's not like Ashe/MF spam their abilities and do nothing while CD is on. Every carry gets into their AA range when dealing significant damage.

I do agree that Vayne's team utility is pathetic. But that's not that important on a carry.