Talk:Riven/@comment-25325968-20150112015908/@comment-5077844-20150115145330

@talonmain

You say we shouldn't whine about her being op, instead sohuld properly counterbuild her....Counterbuild a champ who's notorious for snowballin. Counter her with an item that offers nothing from its build path that would help you in any way...also, an item that can be deactivated by her other 4 teammembers out of which at least one will have a ranged spell that can reach you.

Also, your stance on Fizz is questionable too...He is, in fact, op, simply because of how uncounterable his damage becomes, should he come out ahead, which he can because he can outtrade almost every midlaner due ot his W. Also, his endless mobility makes it almsot impossible to pin him down BEFORe he assasinates the target....He also has his R which allows him to reach his target with E and still apply the damage.

Don't compare Fizz and Riven please, since they are ccompletely different champions. Just because they both have gapclosers doesn't make them comparable.

Riven gets walled by tanks, that is true (sort of, Last Whisper is still broken and allows champs like her to ignore any countermeasures taken against ehr), but only a mindless fool would charge headifrst into five enemies and expect them not to try to stop you. The good Rivn palyers i ahve seen, usually join the fight later, or try to flank. then they are free to do what they want, just like any assasin.

Also, vayne's tumble is, n fact a gapcloser. It is used mainly for kiting, but also to close the distance bewewen your target in order to kill it. Same goes with Riven. She has four gapclosers. thosse 4 add up to a massive one which has the advantage of not being absolute as in "I can choose if i wnat to fully commit to this or back out after 2 dashes"