Talk:Udyr/@comment-3276188-20110701192315/@comment-60764-20110715175522

Late reply is late.

@Danz: Madreds, like phoenix, scales with attack speed, a stat that Udyr does not need to stack due to stance dancing and tiger. The damage output alone due to this is worth it. Aside from that? You don't really need to build any other AS items. His natural AS is high, and that's why Madred's is good for him (The damage is a nice bonus, but you're really getting it for how well it scales with him).

@RandomWikiacontributer: Udyr doesn't max all his skills at 18 like everyone else. You have to pick something to gimp (i.e, leveling to three). If you don't level Tiger OR Phoenix to max, you're not maximizing your potential damage if you're aiming to be DPS, and turtle is is good enough for what it does (recovering health and mana based on AD) that leveling it or bear become the choice of what to lose (if you're not a complete derp, that is. Remember, bad Udyr's pick between the two.)

And like I said before, Bear suffers diminishing returns passed level 3, like most movement speed steriods. Any boots (That is, any boots with Movement Speed 2) cut the speed increase so harshly that you hardly notice a difference between levels 3 and 5. BECAUSE OF THIS and good Udyrs picking/using Tiger and Phoenix (can't stress that enough) Bear is the logical choice to not level to max. It's arguable, yes, but arguing that Bear takes precedence over Tiger and Phoenix is not advised.

So to reiterate, in case reading comprehension is hard (sorry for that sounding mean): -Wriggles for Udyr (definitely dps, arguably tank as it does nothing) is the herpiest of derp moves one could make. -Udyr is a strange character that can be played well if you --read what his abilities do --don't pick between Tiger and Phoenix, as they work pretty damn well TOGETHER

Something else to note. All of Udyr's damage, even Tiger, is magic, but it's debatable between if ArP helps more than MP. One would say it's left up the user, but it's nothing to HARD argue/rage about.