Talk:VPBE/@comment-8506165-20150106065656/@comment-8506165-20150106184828

NeonSpotlight: That's... odd, I was looking up winrates earlier after seeing more Sona nerfs and she's definitely not 8th place second only to Janna at the moment (or so says LolKing) but 15th place behind Janna and Leona. Which... admittedly, is still high, but she's also picked less than either of them. Sona's diamond ranked winrate also isn't a really high 3rd place from what I can see - she's not pushing 54% constantly with Janna and Blitz just ahead, but averaging more like 52%. Riot also allege not to use winrates in their balance decisions, of course, but I doubt they ignore them completely. Maybe LolKing's overall stats include normals, but I don't think they do...

(Also, Leona needs nerfs by the same tokens: easy, high winrate across all elos, higher pickrate than Sona and - in my opinion - she also creates a pretty unfun laning experience compared to most other supports... except that's been a problem since preseason and Riot haven't done anything about it since love taps in 4.5, so hey, not holding my breath.)

Metmor: I've played AP Sona both mid and solo bot (with support masteries) after my ADC dc'd. She has strengths - mostly the ones you mentioned, especially post-Lichbane - but she lacks waveclear, mobility and being Sona she is of course squishy. She doesn't really do anything AP Sona didn't do before the rework - indeed, some of those problems were less pronounced with her Q giving her AP and AD, and her W giving her Ar/MR. She does sustain better now, I suppose, but that's not what the latest round of nerfs are targeting.

I also hope for your sake you never find yourself against a Zilean mid if you find Sona's guaranteed damage annoying. Heh.