Talk:Shyvana/@comment-4499945-20120905001521/@comment-69.63.114.3-20120911153548

Its fine to try stealing the red buff but if you really want to be successful I find getting a good leash on blue, save smite, and get 2nd lvl on q then running to their red is quite fast. Of course i wouldnt try this method against fast junglers like, udyr, mundo, and lee. But it is quite effective versus slower jungelrs like Nautilus, Amumu, and Warwick (the tankier junglers). But this isnt what you asked about anyway. To the main point you can take red lvl1 without smite but it leaves you very low and unable to do other camps safely. I suggest getting a three man team for the invade doesnt matter particulary who whether its mid and top or mid and bottom helping you. You always want someone to look out enemies for the very beginning.