Talk:VPBE/@comment-4270771-20150617234320

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk2QhOHONN8

Stonewall's very coherent rant on the new jungle item and AP junglers in general. I agree with most of what he said. The biggest point for me being that while the new sheen effect SOUNDS great, in order for it to exist they have to remove a ton of stats on the item. AP junglers are already dealing with expensive items with poor build paths while earning less money than laners, and spending a bunch of money to rush this item will just be a waste for a lot of them. Even if it makes them better at clearing the jungle ONCE THEY FINISH IT (aka you are basically just "starting" to jungle some 10 minutes into the game), they won't be able to really do anything else....like teamfight or gank or duel....because they have jack shit for stats to scale off of, including a lich bane like effect that scales LESS than lich bane does, while having way less AP because you spent it on runeglaive and don't have as much money as the laners do.

The aoe lich bane effect is a nice idea, but stonewall is right it would be better as a separate item and not a replacement of magus. It might seem like a good idea at first but removing magus will hurt more AP junglers than it helps, and no matter how good the effect is at clearing camps it doesn't mean much if you're playing jungle karth/diana/fiddle/fizz and just blew 2250 gold on 40 ap and 10% cdr when you show up to a teamfight or gank with barely any stats. The lich bane effect will NOT make up for that.