Talk:Nidalee/@comment-7515652-20130511171126/@comment-8506165-20130513135006

XWings - "Dont think you can trick ppl. "

I wasn't attempting to? I was specifically responding to the claim that "pure damage single target ults will ALWAYS do more damage than spears", so I specifically mentioned that the MINIMUM damage on the ults cited was some degree lower that the MAXIMUM damage on Javelin Toss.

Sagee - I complain about it because it's the one element of playing against her that feels toxic (I know you hate that word, but permit me to use it as I can't currently think of a better). Yeah, it's annoying when I try and escape on low health and Nid cougars and gets a kill on me, for instance, but I view that as being perfectly reasonable as part of a champion with high mobility and a somewhat higher-risk form. Hence I don't complain about that, whereas seeing my carry insta-gibbed or forced to retreat from 2/3rds health by a lucky shot with no chance for us to retaliate doesn't seem reasonable.

I /did/ look at some of your rework ideas, actually. I personally can't see giving her Kayle's passive but better on her W as being entirely reasonable when you've also given her constant AP scalings on auto-attacks with her Q, but I agree with Bushwhack needing more utility - at the moment it's pretty much used as a cheap ward a lot of the time. A brief immobilise/slow would bring it more into line with other traps (Caitlyn, Teemo etc.) and give them rather more utility - still apply the armor/MR debuff and make the target a sitting duck for Nidalee's other abilities. I'd load her CC into those more than trying to add a .1 second stun to Javelin Toss, on the grounds that even a bruiser based largely around disruption (Trundle) has a slow but not a stun on his damaging Q, with his channel disruption and extra slow being loaded into his pillar. Perhaps with an additional form of CC in her cougar to make it fit more with the theme of chasing down single enemies and devouring them. I quite like your idea of making her defensive steroid in cougar form a temporary one upon activation, though. Makes bruiser Nid much more viable while encouraging her to use both forms evenly.

See? I'm quite happy for a reasonable trade-off for her Q being nerfed. I rather enjoy theorycrafting so I'm even happy to discuss how to improve her other skills, even though she doesn't appeal to me personally as a champ.