Talk:Vladimir/@comment-70.249.147.32-20110217083750/@comment-3358335-20110217235924

160+(.6*AP)/4 +(.25*AP). .minus resists of course, but with doran's blade that's pretty negligible.

Does your level 5 have 0 AP? Didn't think so.

Now, level 1 Vlad is Q's level 1 ashe for 70 magic damage 1/5 of her starting HP 1/6 of her starting HP if she went doran's. Then follows it up with Auto attacks. Ashe responds with auto attacks. . IF they slug it out, it will be close. But my money is on Vlad. However if they don't Vlad has easy access to heal while the other one is down 25% of their health in the exchange. If Vlad is pushing the harrassment hard then it he has forced them to their tower or sent them packing.

So to bring this thread back around to the point I was trying to make, that is EXACTLY the sitiuation in which the Riot team says they do not want in the game. So the QQ "Riot only listens to crybabies that cry OP when he isn't" is not correct. Riot said in the patch notes, and I agree, "Vladimir remains a problematic champion who -- while not explicitly overpowered -- nullifies a lot of meaningful interactions between players and tends to snowball more heavily than others due to the gold value multiplier of his passive."

So telling me how to play against him or his weaknesses are pointless. I already know those answers, I am trying to explain to you the cause of the rework and nerf and how his pre-nerf effected the game to where he had to be changed.