Talk:Vayne/@comment-32161553-20170619115606/@comment-4091261-20170812185634

fucks her up real good early on. I highly recommend her as a support since her targeted poke is very powerful while able to enhance your own poking damage slightly. She has all the criteria [[User:KuraiAssassin|KuraiAssassin] stated.

Due to her synergy with the tanks like and, that poking is not the general solution to the problem. These kinds of tanks specialize at obliterating poke champions since they can easily put them in a position where they cannot retaliate safely. It is useful against any other kind of support, but against tanks it's not the solution.

The actual general solution is knowing how to dominate the enemy with sheer power. Tactics like harassment, diving, execution, and trading are very important to beating her. In fact, it is due to this respect that performs better as a support against  than. The greater peeling capabilities early on are very beneficial to against tanks, despite the lowered harassment potential in comparison to.

The reason why everyone says that you need to crush her early on is not to make her weak, but rather for you to become strong. is a champion who relies heavily on her flexibility in order to get things done. Being able to tumble around freely to get in good positions, for things like, is valuable to her. In fact one of the first flexibility matters she takes advantage of is the ability to freely autoattack minions 3 times to activate. While interrupting the proc doesn't exactly make her lose CS, it offers the opportunity to harass her easily.

There will be times when will shy behind her tank support, and when that happens you need to know how to safely harass the tank. This is a more difficult matter as it is the reason why she synergizes well with them. If you cannot get rid of the tank, essentially what happens is that you can no longer stop farm, which will prevent your power from ever exceeding hers to a sufficient level. As such, thinking in terms of defeating both of the enemies rather than alone is important.

Essentially, the main goal is to become powerful enough to limit her flexibility. This vastly reduces how much she can do safely and forces her to rely on the rest of her team to do an organized engage in order to get back in action. Having peeling champions on your team like can help alleviate this issue. Have faith in your own champion's strength, he/she has his/her own reasons to be feared after all.