Talk:Kayle/@comment-25447003-20150612023302

I gave up on trying to make her "carry"! Now I understand how players who main Evelynn/Elise feels when trying to make them work after consecutive nerfs - specificly damage nerfs.

Even with your experience and mastery on the champ, they do mediocre damage.

Trading was Kayle's strength, as a "fighter", now it's no longer the case - at lv1,2 at best. Main damage AP ratio become poor, and pathetic attack speed just got worse. I'm not comparing to bruisers (fighters) or "ADC capable" champs like Kennen or TF, even casters like Orianna can laugh at Kayle's attack speed.

Talk about utilities, no non-damage utilities has such high CD. Why on earth they nerf CD 80/70/60 to 110/100/90 - along with AP ratio nerf and AS nerf ? It's like 40%-50% nerf on R only, and effectively reduce 40% chance of use.

I have to admit that Kayle is on the "Forgotten Island" list of Riot for another year - I guess at least 6 months after Elise recover from her "vacation"? To keep Kayle on a longer vacation, they shoud consider making her Q a skillshot, regardless of her weaknesses are already vulnerable to counterplay.

Ok, I'll stop my rant here! Good news that when I throw Kayle's builds to some other champions, they can carry ! Diana you probably know, but XinZhao and Irelia works wonder as well. The numbers like 150% damage dealt to champs, with similar gold on my Kayle screenshot - I couldn't believe the first time I see them.

For now I'm not in the Ekko train, but having fun with Ryze and Akali. btw, where is the guy said I did't know about Ekko just by looking numbers and theorycrafting? Sure the community thinks Ekko is OP now, not only me!

I bet he is in "balance team" of Riot, usually look over other ideas regardless of the calculation (even simulation like teryd.net) behind it.