Talk:Udyr/@comment-69.22.179.161-20111224085242/@comment-3477331-20111226150541

I usually get philo because i want the sustain. A philo stone saves pots. And if you're not going to buy pots, it increases the time you can jungle quickly. The mana and hp regen allow you to use phoenix more often because you don't need the sustain from turtle. Helps other junglers as well. That are a few Q's more on Maokai or on Skarner.

Wriggles is no must but good on many junglers. Probably worth it on tiger udyr, but not really on phoenix. But if you're able to play udyr very well with wriggles but not with wit's early/mid game, then play him with wriggles.

There are many ways to build a champion, it's not set in stone. You may face a team that can kite well and max bear and get randuins earlier. Or your enemy can't kite at all and you leave bear at lvl 3 and delay randuins or get atmogs or something else for armor.