Talk:Orianna/@comment-203.213.205.210-20110808084528/@comment-3486816-20110809110956

@anon below me: I kind of disagree with the karma comparison. That's where I kind of see her as one of the strongest utility champs. Both have a short-cooldown very strong shield ability that can also damage opponents, but Orianna's long range gives her the freedom to build AP to where her shield will match up or overtake Karma's despite the lower ratio (since karma needs to build somewhat tanky because of her short range), not to mention the fact that it also gives an armor/mr buff and positions the ball for her to use her other abilities. Both have a (potentially AoE) slow/speedup, but Orianna's is easier to apply and is stronger; the only downside is that it has a slightly shorter duration. Karma's heal is kind of meh, it'll get stronger by comparison when other heals get nerfed (I'm pretty sure it's going to remain untouched), but it's the ultimate that really blows karma out of the water. Orianna's ultimate is without a doubt one of the best CCs in the game when used correctly. It puts a well-positioned team in a TERRIBLE position (putting the carry in front of the tank and vice versa can never be overlooked), while Karma's ult just makes her otherwise-mediocre abilities slightly better than normal ones. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of karma and she does have larger AoEs and some potential that Orianna doesn't, but when you really analyze it Orianna just has a LOT more overall utility than Karma does, and that's the real issue I have with her.