Talk:Garen/@comment-210.6.166.17-20120811132522/@comment-80.15.143.26-20120811170139

well garen deals more damage from my point of view and doesn't need to push to heal up

i mean at level 1 AA + Q +AA = mid-life on a lot of solo tops

he has god-like damage early and a 30% damage reduction + passive armor/mr

i've yet to face a champ top who can out trade garen with his W on and a good Q  to reset his AA then spin

it's the only top with whom i sometimes attack the other top when i see a jungler coming because i know i'll get a kill and maybe two because  his running away while spinning and damaging + shield are too strong early, killed a cho AND an udyr on a gank yesterday again at like level 6 vs 5 and 5  ( bullied cho out of lane)

the main issue is people building him tank first, when you should double doran + bruta first  because of his scaling and base damage + W making you utterly destroy the other top on every trade

this allows heavy outfarming and sometimes kills on the jungler AND solo top,  every time i see a  garen rushing warmog i just want to smack him in the face for being useless, saw one yesterday rush warmog / atma no boots...