Talk:Elise/@comment-5263329-20130103013235/@comment-81.159.164.112-20130103211139

You already have a decent slow and cdr with iceborn. You might be able to swap out rylai's for "spirit of the ancient golem" in a substituition health item. You would gain health, armor (as well as better lane sustain in the hp5 & mana 5) and also tenacity, it is also cheaper meaning you can swap the boots for more pen giving you more damage than the 80 ap would (I think).

Just brain storming