Talk:Garen/@comment-24496127-20150826204728/@comment-24648781-20150905025215

Okay, Kurai, you gotta explain something to me here. (For starters, I´m basically with Midnight Sun on this one, but I´m trying to keep an open mind.) Your W... it does the same thing with one point in it as it does with 5. The only difference is the duration which means you just have to time it better and will probably get the same result - your enemy dead.

Seeing as, with a maxed E, assuming you build that beautiful BC on Mr. Demacia 2015, you not only shred your enemies armor so bad they could run around naked, but you even damage the enemy beyond that shred as you progress through the game. As for the Q, like Midnight Sun said, that´s your basic initiation. The silence is the same at all levels now. And well, all you want as Garen is to prevent your enemy from getting away from you, hence the silence to take away his ability to flash out of your killing spin. The short duration of movement speed buff you get from a 1 point Q (apart from the fact that you won´t have it at 1 point since you usually max it second) is more than enough to get an enemy either low enough so they can´t fight you anymore in the future or to get them low enough so you can execute with your ult. It´s basically,

engage with Q, E for as long as you can, then either kill with ult (in which case you can use the W during your E to come out of the fight healthier or not at all, as you prefer) or turn on W after your E ends to retreat while taking almost no return damage and therefore win the trade even harder than you normally would thanks to Garens passive.

Also, feeding first blood to get the villain bonus? who the fuck did that? that´s the most stupid thing I ever heard. Especially on Garen. Heck if you GET first blood on Garen, the game´s pretty much GG, since you can then proceed to faceroll everyone. Who cares about the villain buff anyways. Just fuck up their squishies, no matter if they got the bling over their head or not.