Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-15562896-20121206034744/@comment-24.69.112.42-20121206115942

Technically, he hit harder before as Armour Penetration runes got reduced value due to the changes along with reduced penetration in masteries. His armour reduction on his Q already applied before Armour penetration.

However they gave us Black cleaver so all is fine. People also severely underestimate just how good of a duelist J4 is.