Talk:Udyr/@comment-24073465-20131201193839/@comment-5763148-20131210060938

Udyr loses out to Jax and Kayle as well, including other Top Laners with poking and kiting powers. So essentially, Vladimir, Kennen, Quinn, Vayne and to some degree, Elise gives him a hard time. Malphite does crap on nearly anything at Top that is AD oriented so keep him in mind as well. Keep in mind, you can go Phoenix Top, but you will have a harder time in manipulating the creeps cos of its natural pushin power.

In the Jungle, I can tell you 2 things. Run Tiger, if you want betr early ganks and lane pushing power. Take Phoenix if you wanna clear Jungles more quickly AND efficiently. Tiger has abit more advantage in clearing Buff camps faster earlier on cos of the DoT Burst, but as you lvl up, you'll realise that Phoenix does the job betr in clearance.

Phoenix while lacking the Initial Burst Tiger stance offers and the versatility in gearing (Can't take full advantage of Innate boosts like Life Steal and while AP builds are possible, they offer lil to no defensive statistics), make up for it in a more consistent and economical gameplay. Phoenix's On-Hit Burst makes playing Udyr much like playin Jax and on activation gives Udyr a mini Sunfire Cape function for 5 seconds.

So even without reactivating, Phoenix still offers some good damage Utility unlike Tiger. Always make sure to focus on either Tiger or Phoenix according to not only your own match up, but your team's compositions as well. In the Jungle, if you play right, you can constantly fight your Jungle opponent or just avoid em all together. You could be maxing either Tiger or Phoenix to focus on farming or ganking accordingly.

When it comes to Runes, Regardless of Stance Choice or Role, their isn't any diff bar The Marks. If you're goin Tiger Stance, get Flat AD or Arpen. For Phoenix, AS Marks are the most optimal Choice. Though Hybrid Pens and Magic Pens, while being abit more gimmicky are also viable.