Talk:Udyr/@comment-3462646-20151012234656/@comment-25333612-20151028090758

Actually, is turtle rly that important to max for 5 when we could have sweet both tiger and pheonix maxed out? Like u start fight with Tiger, u get ATS anyway for 5 sec then u go Phoenix for sweet 200 dmg passive combined with stated. With this option u lose 15% AD dmg on-hit from Tiger passive and 80 shield strenght when u go turtle. For items, AD and ats combined, mb simple botrk and titanic hydra together