Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-1.36.11.140-20120419155316/@comment-4900160-20120422202755

Jarvan falling off late game? Are you kidding me? He is one one the few tanky DPS that can actually do something except tanking damage and slightly annoying a carry. When I see you say Riven is better late game, no doubt you are either trolling or you actually never play these champs. Jax is a good duelist, terrible in large teamfights when he gets instakilled after his dodge, Wukong is indeed very strong at any stage (dat monkey so OP) and Riven is really weak, even compared to Garen.

If build AD (and it works with some lifesteal if your are not the main tank) Jarvan has insane DPS, full tank makes him close to unkillable even if his team is wiped out thanks to his escape, and a mix of the two makes him a beast in every domain. With Shurelia, Mercs, Youmuu's, Randuin's, Triforce and FoN/MoM, you are an epic initiator, a VERY strong duelist against any champion, and a strong tank. You can spam AoE buffs and CC + your shield. I have carried numerous games as Jarvan in ranked, and when I say carried I mean most kills, assists, least deaths and highest CS at the same time. His only weakness is very early game when you do not have your philo yet, you are quite vulnerable, but J4 definitely has a very strong late game no matter what. I'm not saying he can 5v1 like Nasus or AD Sion, but saying he falls off is clearly wrong.

Just wait until some random high ELO player mains him on stream and suddenly I'll go from terribad player to sheep copying X's or Y's build...