Talk:Cassiopeia/@comment-25410648-20140912025655

What do you guys think of the new Cass. For me she is a little bit weaker now (using the same build, of course) and it is much harder to bring her to full potential. Last night I played a bot game to see how much time it takes to get 400 stack. At 25 min mark, when I finally got 400 stacks, my kills were like 20 sth, and my farms were 200+. So I assume that was the best case scenario, where you could harass your oppenent everytime you see him in lane (vs competent player, really?) while farming confidently without fear of ganking. In normal game, I doubt if she could get near 400 stack before 30 min mark.

Even at 400 stack, and 4 items, her new Fang only outdamage old Fang by like 70/fang ( I could do the math to get exact no., but it takes time so I just get this number from here http://gelatilol.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/analyzing-416-cassiopeia-rework-from.html), but is this increase in Fang's damage is not enough to compensate for loss of her Q's damage (which is huge, before patch, if you have 600 ap, your Q does an additional 480/s, now even with 800ap its only 240/s, a loss of 240/s or 120/0.5s if you want relative number to her Fang).

And of course before 400 stack, which is hard to get, she is no where near once she was: lower base damage on E, much lower scaling on Q and W. The new passive gives her life on Fang hit, this is great, 30% ap increase (ppl say it multiplicative with Rab, but just by looking the tooltip, it only contributes like 100 + AP to my 800+AP full build. Cdr is not realy necessary before, but it is essential now since her Q is 4s cd, so you can not re-apply poison immediately every 3 mins)

So what do you guys think?