Talk:Talon/@comment-25912163-20141223044350/@comment-25912163-20141225103934

after 4 items your qe dals too mcuh dmg for them to handle so ulti+w kills them after initial empowered auto. and youmu is a core becausewhile bruta hydra bc is ok, a)the time tiamat passive gives you is insignificant, you are gaining +25 ad and tiamat active against youmu so you lose 10 arpen + youmu active. however talon was never a one shot killer at 6. youmu allows you to become an assasin while tiamat makes your never killing combo a little better. youmu allows you to chase and do 2-3 more aa which barely kills enemy. and arpen is always better than dmg for casters. no exceptions. or else why would anyone get arpen rune? i tried both builds for a fair amount, i used to play him with tiamat early (btw dont rush hydra ever why hydra after tiamat 1400 gold not used well) but i dont feel like tiamat actually helps my burst that much. arpen runes + youmu bruta rush give 42 arpen very early and it also forces your opponent to rush heavy armor as if they dont your skills deal true dmg. if they do lw devastate them. meanwhile bruta+ad runes+tiamat is countered by any laner who go for RoA, scaling armor runes, shield increasers (annie, orianna).