Talk:Udyr/@comment-3165723-20110722071952/@comment-2153151-20110724230301

I'm going to continue to disagree with you on the "too tough" thing. He's a good ganker, but so is Rammus, Nunu, Gangplank, Nocturne, Akali, Ryze, and the list goes on. I wouldn't say he needs a nerf. If anything, he's about par with most junglers today, and still considerably below others. His stun is nowhere near as effective at facilitating a gank as Nunu's slow. In fact, for an example of an outright "you can't touch me but I can gank you" character, Nunu is a perfect example. That said, I wouldn't say Nunu needs a nerf either. I think he excels at what he does, and he excels at it in a way that makes Udyr look rather bad at it by way of comparison.

Udyr remains fun to play despite not being quite as good at his role in the jungle as others. People who don't push their lanes don't get ganked as often. People who push their lanes tend to feed Udyr or the lane-mates he helps. So what... I think you are considerably more likely to die to a Rammus you which is nigh unkillable with a 3 second taunt, fast-reset ult, and super-haste-nuke-running-ball than you are to Udyr's set of abilities which are inferior in pretty much every way.