Talk:Veigar/@comment-3450702-20111215160719/@comment-158.52.254.239-20111216090614

i'd say not abyssal, sucks when you're trying to gank hidden in a bush. Furthermore, you're often far from the middle of the fight and the passive won't affect much of them. If you build him really tanky, ok but else forget. I like Zhonya and ROA. I like to build ROA early, it hellps your laning with the passive of the object and the mana boost helps your passive, while you're harder to gank thanks to the nonus hp. the active from Zhoya is awesome: blast someone with combo, usually you get focused at this moment, then active hourglass and laugh. If you have difficulties activating objects then forget it. Rylai is fine but doesn't give as much usefulness as the others, after all you're supposed to blast your targets, not to harass them with q. And you already have your stunt for cc. It could get useful in some games but most of the times you won't need it. Banshee is fine but not being able to select the spell you ignore can suck. If you already have ROA, try quicksilver slash that can allow you to suppress at the moment youreally need it any slow, ignite, silence, fear; charm and then cast flash/, stunt/ zonhya to escape. Or blast your target, if the ennemy is dead, it can't kill you. Also, if you're a bit feed, consider lich bane: the movement boost can help you escape situation, it boost you pushing potential against towers and the +1ap ratio to an auto attack can be just the damage you need to finish your target. Also very also useful in a teamfight if you can survive: every few seconds you deal a 1.6 ap damage to an enemy (q+ lich bane)