Talk:Elise/@comment-188.181.58.238-20121023194507/@comment-46.184.255.89-20121024162730

I tried many builds with her including full ad with life steal, full ap.

First i want to talk about her ap scale, and this example with a 200 ap Elise.

You normal combo can start with stun+QW (assuming your QW max level) in human form which will do 12% current hp + 230 damage + 435 damage.

We will assume the enemy has 2000 hp, the combo up there took enemy hp to 1095.

And sure we didn't finish yet, you transform into Spider E to close gap and then W+Q.

Q will does 340 damage in total, W will help you do lets say 3 auto attack (450 dmg and i added the onhit on this) , the 4 spiders (ulti level 11) will does 2 hits each minimum (400 dmg).

Total damage done is: 2095 ,,, i didn't count the enemy magic resist and i stopped my calcu after the W spider form duration.

Elise is a champion that need to be a little tanki to survive longer in the team fight and do as much damage as she can, and worth mentioning most carry has 2500 hp max most the time using some defensive items , also 200 ap is low for ap carry , elise at max level and late game will have 600 ap and more , you can calcu the damage with 600 ap yourself.