Talk:Orianna/@comment-5045559-20120522072551/@comment-76.0.23.142-20120522213705

First, I DID try it. It's subpar, even to MF who is subpar herself and also scales off of AP. Take it up against something like Tristana who has roughly similar abilities with two/three excellent steroids AND the healing reduction to counter the Soraka that you HAVE to lane with, and you will get roflstomped all game long.

Second, in draft pick, generally the supports are chosen first, followed by carries, then mages/tanks/etc. By the time you choose Ori, picking Galio/Kassadin to counter YOU (which Kassadin doesn't btw. Orianna rolls him, well before level 6 even comes he will have been zoned out of even exp for about 3 levels). Is just straight up stupid, which is also what I would say to deciding to take Orianna mid AFTER those two are already picked. Lastly, even your deity mooseboy (lets say versus Morgana instead of Kassadin) woudl just send the AD carry THAT HIS TEAM HAS ALREADY PICKED mid versus her instead of swapping runes/masteries and rolling with two AD carries and no mage.

Third, Orianna AD would do poorly, mid, becuase SHE DEPENDS ON SORAKA SUPPORT TO KEEP HER MANA UP! Which places her in the bottom lane, where she will get rolled and by a competent REAL AD carry who actually scales with AD or who at least has a decent steroid or better carry utilities.

Fourth: "That's just examples of why one should never assume to know everything."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU are the one asuming that this 2k elo player knows everything. You assumed first, so you have the burden of proof, not me.

Also, don't try to badly quote Sun Tzu's The Art of War at me, I've actually read the book. I don't think you have.

Finally, yes, high ranked players try some crazy shit sometimes, USUALLY as a COUNTERPICK to something else! Also, they don't do it often, that's why YOU REALLY HEAR ABOUT IT WHEN SOMEONE DOES!