Talk:Kayle/@comment-77.97.134.113-20120322194345/@comment-77.97.134.113-20120324103915

"Kayle's scaling is as good as other junglers, which is to say, she doesn't scale well."

haha. That's why everyone picks Kayle at higher ELO and stonewall's jungle tier list places Kayle in God Tier. Please be a little bit more objective. There is nothing, what Kayle does better than top junglers. She does not reach 70% slow, like someone said. And her scaling IS MUCH WORSE. She can't initiate, whereas Shyvana, Maokai, Nautilus and Rammus are extremely good at it. WW (although he is poor jungler at the moment) has ultimate, which allows him to get into the team fight instantly and disable one enemy straight away. Saying that she scales just as good as any other jungler is another lie. Udyr falls off late game, but he is far more tanky than Kayle and this enables him to protect his team more efficiently, whereas Kayle has only 2s ulti and pathetic heal, which does not protect anyone from focus.

I'm not saying Kayle is a bad jungler. Just saying that calling her 'extremely good jungler' is a lie, because there is nothing, what she does better than others. Ganks? Maokai and Rammus are better. Map control? Shyvana, Lee Sin and Mundo are better. Tanking damage? Rammus, Udyr and Maokai are better. Counter jungling? Shyvana, Lee Sin and skarner are so much better at this than her. Jungle routes? She can only start at blue otherwise her jungle is extremely slow. Her late game damage is very weak compared to Nocturne, who has greater damage even when built tanky. She only has some advantage in the damage area for a couple of first levels, but given the lack of hard CC it's nothing, because you can't assume every game will let her get those early kills and snowball.

She would not get a second rework if she was a half as good, as you say.