Talk:Shyvana/@comment-7599556-20130921223507/@comment-8468980-20131003055530

why was shyvana god tier in S2 and now she's rare as hell in S3?

Jungle changes in S3 made power clearing junglers and counter junglers far less valuable. Lost a camp? So what it'll be back in a few seconds. You can't screw over the enemy jungler quite as much as you could in S2.

In addition, sightstone and the freedom to take a starting ward with you to lane even if you get a doran's shield or ring put already poor gankers like Shyv in an even worse position to gank.

Plus, core S2 items for shyv like phage, wits, Wriggles, and frozen mallet were in a pretty bad spot at the begining of S3. Wit's has been adequately buffed but wriggle's is still pretty bad compared to Spirit items. And while phage is awesome, triforce isn't as good on shyv as it is on other bruisers, plus it's reduced build path isn't very tempting on tankier bruisers. Frozen mallet hasn't been changed for the better either, retaining it's hefty cost for stats that are outshined by other items along with a heavily nerfed passive. Taking phage out of FM's build path without replacing it with a new advanced tier item doesn't help out either.

The last reason I see is that she can't initiate as well as some of the most popular S3 jungler picks. Many of the top junglers (J4, Xin, Vi, Zac, Amumu, Hecarim) in S3 could get away with aura-tanking with bulwark, locket, and SotGolem for decent mid game tank items. Combine this with their kit's CC and they were able to fall back on initiating and support items. Shyv's ultimate doesn't compare to what her jungle competitors can dish out, which reduces her team comp viability down to working pretty strictly with more support oriented ap mids (Morg, Ori) or high initiation Supports (Leo, Zyra, Sona).

Shyv still has a good kit, and my guess is that Riot will do their best to make powering clearing junglers viable again without making them over powered like they were in S2.

It could be worse, at least she's not Warwick.