Talk:Renekton/@comment-84.111.140.23-20120710195503/@comment-4948122-20120711120651

^Black cleaver reduces armor...flat penetration is aplied after reduction...

THe penetration goes like this:%reduction is aplied first(The E reduction) then flat reduction(black cleaver) then flat penetration(brutalizer) then % penetration(Lw)

So zilla is right its best to get both as you can turn even a char with 200 armor into a squishy if you apply all the reduction which will levae your enemy to 80 armor or so...which is low enough for rene to destroy.