Talk:Lucian/@comment-10300926-20131125010643/@comment-8506165-20131127095222

@Odaswifteye You make the mistake many people do when looking at Maokai's ult and only consider the damage it deals, when really that's just a bonus. Even if you set it off too late, if your team just won the TF by virtue of taking 20% reduced damage for most of it then I think it can be counted as a well-used ult. But hey I'm not going to say no to an AoE 500 damage nuke either, timing the ult detonation right can totally swing a teamfight.

It always amazes me that people can consider Lucian's ult weak too when it's essentially "I GET TO MOVE AROUND AS MUCH AS I LIKE WHILE CONTINUING TO PUT OUT DPS". It's like a AD Carry's wet dream, yet people seem to think it's incredibly underpowered for neither instagibbing people nor being a guaranteed hit. It'd just be downright broken if it had its damage significantly increased ("Oh hey, got a penta while running backwards!") and obviously half the point of it is that it's not targeted because you're not stuck in one place while you use it.

You want a weak ult? Gangplank. Every time you use it you're playing the slot machine, as it can end up with literally no damage dealt (doesn't matter how skilled you are, cannonballs are random). And of course it scales AP and not AD so late-game it just tickles even if it hits a fair few targets. About its only selling points are that it's global and grants vision.