Talk:Zyra/@comment-26808509-20171121074412/@comment-26808509-20171126192448

I don't think they will simply revert the E and R changes. The Ult buff will ship definitly, because that's their way of addressing the plants squishyness during teamfights, while making it situational so they don't become too epressive and that's a pretty good conclusion to my mind.

The E buff however... I don't know. I don't even know why they want to buff it in the first place. The only reason I can think of is that they want to buff Zyra-Mid's waveclear, because Q is having such an awkward shape and can only hit the frontline or the backline, but not both. Unless of course you position yourself next to the wave and this is just bs.

Also it's a base damage buff, so although it will be noticable during mid and late game if you max E second, it will only be impactfull if you max it first and I'm really not a friend of E max on Zyra, especially in midlane. Q max gives Zyra damage (until now the same amount E would), lower cooldown and the mana cost stays the same. E max on the other hand gives damage (now even more) and a longer root duration, BUT the cooldown stays the same and the mana cost are increasing. Maxing E first will give Zyra more upfront damage in a combo and possibly better waveclear and shoving potential, but since using E as Zyra is a huge risk, due to it being her only defense and having a high cooldown, you only want to use it in all-ins. E max will have a good all-in combo, BUT incredible weak poke and bad trading potential. You simply can't poke with E and an unmaxed Q will deal no damage and using E during a trade (without killing the opponent) is like screaming at them "Come and kill me in the next 12 seconds!".

I doubt that the buff will change my mind about this, but we will see. Still I don't quite understand why they buffed the base damage on her E. I mean, yes they can't buff her Q for obvious reasons, but why adding base damage and forcing to max it? Zyra allready has an awkward 'base-damage to scaling-damage relation'. Increasing the scaling of E instead would make the buff impactfull even if you don't max E first and Zyra really could need a bit more scaling. It would give her more freedom in itemization and less dependant on magic pen.