Talk:Maokai/@comment-24.88.80.231-20121203192909/@comment-69.141.8.150-20121214195531

He doesn't initiate teamfights all that well, he's good at counter-initiating though.

I think he's got a decent kit aside from his Sapling. What does a support tank want with a long range aoe nuke? "But that saplings halp me scout!" You can buy wards, why not give him something like an AD or attack speed debuff spell that synergizes with support or tank role?