Talk:Renekton/@comment-7846894-20140304010407/@comment-9705522-20140317135026

yes "only". cuz 100 magic damage per second for 15 seconds is nothing. not to mention your w or empowered w. plus your q aint bad too, for how low of a cd it has. shyvana by no means has better base damage. her w is a weaker version of your ult, her q is like your w minus the free damage and the stun, her e has about as much base damage as your q does. only good thing she has is her mark from the, and even thats not impressive. and really, all she gets is up to 40 armor/mr. not bad, but by no means amazing. renek? 600 health. thats a huge chunk. and really, again, false. renekton role is the same as shyvana. guy who dives into teamfight, dishes out a lot of damage and doesnt die very quickly. he doesnt have as much long term sticking power as shyvana does, but he has higher damage and a double dash.