Talk:Fiora/@comment-4131177-20130224114757/@comment-4131177-20130305080331

Mind me to spare you from ability linking this time, i am in a little hurry because of work.

So, your first calculation does not take into account several things. First, i don't see one tiny autoattack there. Lets be pessimistic and say W does not proc at all. When maxing W first, you would need to land 3 autoattacks to outdamage maxing Q first (not taking into account scaling, so it actually would be less). So, i don't know how you play, but i AA after every Q (you do as well, you wrote it somewhere), and at least once after my ultimate. That's already the 3 AAs i would need to outdamage you, np. But additionally to that, i also activate my E and usually land 2-3 autoattacks during that time, so it would be even more bonus i get. But as said, even without using E i already outdamage (and outburst) you with maxing W.

Additionally, what you did not take into account, is that diving an enemy becomes much easier with maxing W. It's about timing. When i got my escape summoner of choice and my ultimate up, i feel confident enough to dive enemies. Doing that guarantees you to proc your W, because they always try to hit me when i dive them. And when you dive, the magic damage can and will make a difference.

For jungling speed i agree, it doesn't make you much faster, but as soon as you have madreds it's not that big of a difference, approximately 3-4 seconds per camp if you are REALLY unlucky with procs. To snowball, i personally need kills with fiora when jungling. That's why i prefer ganking over farming as my method of acquiring gold. I sometimes find myself not even building wriggles when i got some early feed, just to keep snowballing for my ganks.

For sticking power, i tend to rush a bildgewater cutlass (i even did that before the recent changes, now even more because of the reduced price tag). When Q is maxed, it's CD is down to 8 seconds. My ganks usually don't last that long after using lunge for the first time, so i couldn't make use of it even if i wanted to. So the only reason to max it would be damage, and i just showed you in the beginning that your calculation is kinda lacking in that aspect as you took abilities only into consideration.

As said: i am a little in a hurry cuz of work, but i felt like i owe you a response before tomorrow. If you think i missed something essential from your post, please tell me what it is and i will be pleased to comment on it as well.