Talk:Swain/@comment-3578129-20131011074541/@comment-15244341-20131014211101

Aham. So dodge all. Except Lux IS swains worst counter by far. Range? Check. Burst? Check. Refreshable shield that fucks with DoTs? Check. Low cooldowns and mana costs to spam? Check. Sure, you can dance like a retard in lane dodging everything, but to auto, you need to stop. And then is when you will get caught. Also, Lux's E is not always easy to evade and good ones will get you in a bad position by using it.

Also, you are a Swain player, thus you know how to land skillshots. You don't randomly throw W, you wait till the opponent has to stop (cast, auto) or he cant dodge (back to a wall, evading something else, minions on the side). Then you get a W off.

Sure, burst mages are scary. But, as you said, Swain goes tanky. Surviving till 6 feels so much easier when playing against Annie than Lux. Also, I honestly never died in lane against Fizz. I might never had to fight a great Fizz, but I just go full aggro on him pre 3 and try to get him to spend all his sustain (since I mostly see Doran's+pots). Or I lane swap if I'm not doing great against him, since most tops get destroyed by Swain, as you said.

And, even if you don't agree with me in this, you'll have to agree in that he is not an easy champion to pick up. You need to know how to play with lower ranges than almost anyone else, you need to have good lane control since he has bad last hitting under tower and no pushing power early on. And you didn't contest the most obvious problems with Swain: you win big or you lose big (since his kit is high risk-high reward), he is hideously weak against ganks and he has the crippling need (read, NEED) of really expensive items to be effective at all. I'm not seeing him picked. Pros? Maybe, if the jungler is not too deadly. Normal people? Nope, he is not that attactive to the average player, by nature of his kit. And most likely his look is off-putting too. He is no Ahri, that's for sure xD