Talk:Udyr/@comment-10813891-20130723203152/@comment-8506165-20130807162244

AP Udyr's kinda gimmicky.

Your damage is fairly evil but the second they CC you when your Turtle shield's down then you're a squishy AP who's obligingly put themselves in melee range for the enemy team on a plate, and unlike a melee AD carry your only self-heal's through the lifesteal on Turtle, which is near enough useless on AP Udyr.

You need offtankiness to survive and in terms of damage AD offtank > AP offtank.