Talk:Ivern/@comment-29243712-20160928131823/@comment-7463332-20160928234839

he's intended to be a support who's a jungler. not a support who's a support but goes full bard on the adc, not a jungler who can really do stuff for himself. he doesn't replace the actual support, but he isn't a normal jungler either. he isn't supposed to have nor does he need burst because he's a support in terms of his design, he won't be leaving adcs for dead because his role on a team is that of a jungler.

And fair point about the goat thing, but that's just, like, your opinion, man.