Talk:Vayne/@comment-10258129-20130904133837/@comment-3546228-20130905233805

Dudebro,

NEVER say "just learn to counter her". Just warning, saying this will always create a shitstorm of opinions. It also doesn't say much. Counter her, how? Sure, she's not the early game lane monster is, but she eats Cait for breakfast once she farms up her. Correction. She can kill ANYONE once she gets that item. Does that seem balanced to you?

And also, did you just say she's strong just in minor leagues? She's always been a really common pick at ALL LEAGUES. Vayne is the of AD carries. She's a playmaker, can do amazing stuff and is really rewarding when you can play her well. Problem is she's super strong even if you're average at playing her. If you have your ult up you don't even have to hit your stun to kill someone. You just ult, right click someone and he dies. If you dodge a few skillshots it's even easier to do that!

As for countering her with lane harassers like or  - really depends on the Vayne player. She CAN deal with these lanes too though, actually she's one of the few carries that can easily dodge Graves' without wasting a lot of mana (the other carry that can do that is Sivir). And if Graves doesn't hit it he'll lose the trade super hard.

And after 20 minutes ingame it usually comes down to who scales harder, and scales the hardest. Test it, no champion in the game deals more damage than her. outranges her but she hits harder and has FAR more mobility, is a hard one because she has a lot of self peel however Vayne has more damage. is not as strong as he was because they nerfed his strongest phase and it's almost pathetic how easy is if  counters her Bird Mode  with her  (most good Vayne players can do it).

tl;dr Vayne is strong because her kit lets her make plays and counter a lot of strong abilities. She's strong because she can kill anyone with her ult on and outscales all carries in the late game while having a good laning phase contrary to popular opinion. And her team gets a lot of reward for babysitting her.