Talk:Quinn/@comment-7619298-20130705102952/@comment-5955640-20130705185648

Double Harrier is pretty easy to proc actually. In fact most of the time I vault of an already harriered target by accident.

Graves' magic damage is really weak. It's hardly dependable seeing as you need to be AD and not have a single drop of magic damage because it's his only skill scaling off of it. And the smokescreen only blinds and slows people that are in it. The effect goes away instantly after leaving the AOE and if graves is shooting you from outside the AOE and you are inside it you can just shoot at him while in it as it doesn't do any damage to you to stand in it. You can also still land skillshots on him if you saw where he went.

Graves has two conical skill shots which don't do as much damage as you might think. His bread and butter is really just outlasting a target in a duel by having his passive scale his armor up and having the attack speed steroid to out shoot them. Anyone with a damage modifier in there auto attacks or does burst damage from there passive which does include Quinn.

When Quinn One V ones someone it's really easy to cast the blind and proc the harrier and then vault off them to proc it again and toggle the bird form to finish them off.

Vayne can stealth only during the duration of her ult and only after she tumbles. And then that is just one second and stealth doesn't mean you won't take damage from AOE and tons of skillshots. Which is what's going to happen in a teamfight. Graves' smokescreen isn't going to stop a mage from just shooting them in the AOE and Sivir's Spell Shield only blocks one spell at a time and it has a decent cooldown. A mage still has three other spells to blast her with. Quinn's ult is a good escape with the exception of the enemy having CC but that's when you just get a cleanse or a Quicksilver Sash and you always peel away.

Graves doesn't have more burst but he does have more survivability thanks to his passive. But unless he has damage equal to his opponent and his opponent is wearing the same amount of armor as him he's gonna get crushed because any ADC that can do crtical damage in simple auto attacks isn't going to give him the time to build the armor to shift the fight in his favor.