Talk:Gragas/@comment-15562896-20120815144159

I'm really considering starting with E instead of Q as Gragas. I'd pull for my jungler with AA and then charge through the wall.

I really dislike rank 1 Q because basically it does nothing, and having W + E at lvl 2 could allow me to destroy people much earlier than usual, I can't think of many mages that will outtrade a Gragas that constantly auto attacks for 100 physical damage at level two.