Talk:Riven/@comment-8733289-20131108173707/@comment-5707860-20131114014734

"^Okay so Riven uses one charge of Q+W and Jax starts his E as you said? In that case  I can simply walk away into my minion line and sure you AA me in my minion line while I'm stunned but in terms of the trade....I got one Q off, followed by W which gives me free enhanced AA and you took minion dmg. You got outraded."

Jax dodges all auto attack including AA from minions so he takes no minion damage while E is up. the minions missing their AAs will only add stacks to his E to make it do more damage. Jax will get an auto attack while his E is still dodging but then another auto from canceling his W. in my examples Jax does not AA you while you are stunned he AAs you while his E is running. Jax walks away after his stun has gone down. so wrong, i did not get outtraded in a definitive way (doing the full math)

"Now I haven't even considered her E...I can juke your stun but if I didn't...at least I have a shield...so you got outtraded again."

you can juke yes, but Jax has a counter juke with his Q. at every lvl except lvl 1 (when its tied) Jax's Q does more damage then Rivens shield. so wrong again, i did not get outtraded.

"In all your situations, you don't seem to consider that she can mitigate dmg with her E."

i did not put her shield since an earlier post was relating to how Riven can lvl 2 all in champs. i also did not meantion Jaxs other abilities to emphasize how strong his E is as a counter to Rivens skillset.

"Being pushed doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing for Riven...as she does gain a level advantage;"

no its not a bad thing to be pushed but at the end of the day its not a good thing either. you open yourself up to ganks and even with Rivens mobility all it takes is one baited fight where you spend your cooldowns on Jax and the jungler comes to screw you over. i will not put much on this though as i hate outside variables while considering pure champion matchups.

"although I honestly am not aware that Jax can AA while his E is active, or at least that's how you seemed to have worded it."

yes i worded it that way because it is that way. his E acts like a buff which allows him to dodge all auto attacks and he is free to act as he please (AAs,skills,summoner spells,items).