Talk:Maokai/@comment-5877442-20130504174023/@comment-5489694-20130508063720

Yeah he completely smashes champs like Karthus and Ryze. I used to Mao mid/top often S2; if you get a favorable matchup mid, there aren't many champs that completely dunk you tbh, laning phase is completely stupid.

@Oda Mao's wave clear is pretty good. You don't need much to be able to just fall asleep in lane tbh chalice + RoA and you're pretty much immovable. Building vamp and pen early on isn't necessary because of your passive and high base damage.