Talk:Nocturne/@comment-118.137.159.174-20120324165241/@comment-4499945-20120327024430

Starting Vamp Scepter for jungle isn't necessarily bad. It really depends on your route. I don't have problems clearing the jungle starting with a Vamp Scepter, although I do have armor runes. Cloth Armor + 5 pots is also a viable starting item set.