Talk:Renekton/@comment-4915885-20120726122646/@comment-93.228.162.162-20120727135447

i still dont agree with what you are saying because again your strong offtanks should be tanky and thx for nearly quoting me, because i said myself that his E is crap when it comes to make use of the %-arpen (which is armor-pen nonetheless). if you want to kill champs like voli its not as if only ads have problems with that. in fact a tanky dps is much more painful to an ap because the overall dps of such tanky champs is much better thx to cds. last whisper or mandreds (mandreds too expensinve and bad on most champs) or your carry have to do the most dmg on those ppl, i mean the carries have the great steriods and can do some great dmg even to tanks.

and what do you want to tell me with the selfsupress? i know about that but that does not explain why 3hits have 0.5 sec stun per hit and 2 hits have less. you could also increase the self supress to 1 sec of course.

in addation you are wrong when you say one GA and your armor pen is not worth anything. i said that you can have other flad aromr pen from ghostblade which is decreasing enough armor along with some more flat armor pen from runes so that the armor of enemy squishies is again so low that you can make more use of it than of ~8.5 ad. you can do the math yourself. i dont want to spent so much time with it but every1 knows that stacking armor does not increase the % of dmg-decrease in a gruadually way. which is logic because stacking much armor as tanks do should not make them invincible but should counter flat armor pen. carries dont reach that high armor area. nor ap (except xerath or really tanky build swain or so) neither ads do that.

for sure your discribed runes can help him and other champs but i dont think that solves the problems with his kit. for example his passive is not a help, its a burden which is kinda lame because he has no passive in other skills as many other meele champs have. you already mentioned darius and the list is looooong.