User blog comment:SirAston/Thoughts and suggestions regarding Summoner Spells/@comment-8506165-20130809014416/@comment-5556439-20130809204355

'" Forcing a Flash is only counted as a success because Flash exists in the first place." '

Your complaining about a mechanic that has been in the game since its inception and are more or less saying, "why should I have to learn counterplay if It shouldnt exist in the first place?" Sounds like complaining to me and a lack of reaction to a mechanic. If you dont like flash, dont take it, and dont play LoL. The rest of us will do fine. "I dont like it, so get rid of it QQ"

' " Flashing on someone who would otherwise have gotten away or flashing over a wall before you die doesn't count as "outplayed" in my book, it counts as "flash being bullshit again"." '

Ok, so flashing behind an AP Ezreal right as he charges his ultimate and then killing him while hes channelling isnt outplaying? Lee Sin ward hoping under turret against a Nasus and then right as Nasus closes the gap he flashes to the other side of the turret, picking up a really clutch turret-aided kill at like 2 hp isnt outplaying? If your playing Sona, you flash intentionally to force vayne to flash onto you to secure a kill but shes baited by it and although you lost yours, she is now out of position and gets instagibbed by your team, you traded flash for flash/ADC, not outplaying?

'" if you're forced out of lane by Ignite and they get free farm while you recall, do you count it as a success because "they blew their Ignite and didn't get a kill"?" '

Yes it is a success because now I will be ahead in CS and XP, early on in the game especially Top this is a big deal. If I can nab a 2 level advantage over my opponent I can start to zone them and ultimately kill them later. This is a BIG thing when your playing counterpick-champs like Renekton, Riven, and Yorick. Even though they didnt die, they lost the same equivalent of CS/XP because they were away, I didnt get a kill but 3 waves of creeps is equal to a kill early on and I can get 3 waves right as they are returning to lane.

No, the logic DOES NOT apply to both, hell Summoners Wrath gives a passive bonus for having Ignite on CD and you cant make nearly as many plays when ignite is down as opposed to Flash being down.