Talk:Kayn/@comment-26128186-20170819064255/@comment-25855686-20170825014909

i totally agree with you about how the two forms work, but probaly we play each differently

if i play SA (0.00000000001% of my kayn games) i wont even bother teamfighting, like seriously why should i even try? against any decent team there is 0 chances i can get to the squishy without literaly implode at sight. i have better odds spitpushing or just lurk in enemy jungle until i can make a pick, let me stress this. I've bought the green jungle item in all my SA games just to be able to control the places i'm camping. is not SA fault, is just the role, any other pure assassin fit for jungle are like that, you mentioned shaco, let me add nidalee or kha to the list

Rhaast instead is a teamfight beast but i play him just like a tank, go in first and position to cc as many enemy as posible, i dont strictly "focus the tank" but most of the times happent that shredding the frontline armor via cleaver and preventing them to reach your carry is the best bet, also you want to keep a mark on the  enemy tank because when hp start run low  you dont want be forced to ult a squishy.

shall we conclude that SA need love? No. in my opinion we are just witnessing what i always tought about roles in this game: one assassin is more than enough, and if he must be he should be mid. Now i know i'll get the rage of the "you-pick-whatever-you-want-fuck-meta" paladins but seriously when both of team are working (aka 5 players doing good and actually playing together with the minimum degree of teamwork, no need lcs for it) the teamcomp with more efficient pick has the edge and the assassin jungle simply isnt working good enough, now kayn is a dual champ so every time you see a shadow assassin you think "hmm if he went Rhaast he would do this and this instead, damn that would be better" simply because is easy to figure what the exact same champion doing the exact same things would have done.

Long story short, assassin in jungle aint good in general, you can play them of course and even be successful at times, but if you pick a tank or a bruiser they will do better for the team and this lead to victory more often. When playing Kayn he continuosly remind you of that and give the strong feel that one form is strictly better. but is an illusion, is just the role more fitting to win