Talk:Shaco/@comment-26571276-20150730062730/@comment-8267817-20150819040626

Hey, someone actually talking about how Shaco is weak instead of "He has stealth and counterjungles, pls rework/nerf".

Seriously people, it's not hard to ward up your jungle and keep Shaco from ever going near it. It's not hard to ward the places he actually ganks from either, people just see wards in like 6 places total out of the pros and that's all they ever ward because it's what the pros do who, spoiler alert, never have to deal with Shaco because good players know how to stop him completely.

Shaco is one of the least effective straight up assassins as he has no out unless you let him get out by either not ever grouping high priority targets or ignoring him completely for some reason. Zed just presses R again, LB just presses W or R again, Kat just Shunpos out as quick as she came in because yellow trinket is godly on her, etc, etc. Shaco just gets... an engage... and a few mind games... and boxes that can be one shot by basically anyone on the map even at max rank, and can be killed before they ever have a chance to be useful if you aren't mindlessly chasing him into an area he was already in. Now give Shaco a Refresher Orb from DotA and then he'd be very nerf worthy, but so would everyone in that situation except like Karthus and Riven.