Talk:Udyr/@comment-7273169-20130901085405/@comment-5489694-20130901214149

I typed some pretty in-depth stuff only to find out I wasn't logged in... :l So I'm just going to spark notes it.

I used to do this. It slightly weakens your mid game and ganks but not a lot. You'll need to get used to how much mana you use early on w/rank 3 R. Clear times will be fine, most of the aoe is 'wasted' anyways. Max Q > Max R when you're building on-hit. Sounds weird but w/on-hit builds: Tiger makes your items better and your items make Phoenix better.

If you're farming use R even if Q is higher rank unless you're CJing or attacking Drag/Baron.