Talk:Sejuani/@comment-27010991-20130707074631/@comment-9048637-20130729213044

With all due respect, I'm not sure you quite get the concept of counter-jungling. It's not just about stealing one of the opponent's first buffs, which you're not likely to do unless you're someone like Shaco or Udyr. And yes, that is relatively easy to guard against if you're savvy - even if you don't want to compromise your clear by changing your starting buff, you can just ask your support to stick their Explorer ward down at your buff so that you can go running there if the enemy tries anything funny.

No, counter-jungling is much more common, and much more difficult to see coming, the next few times the buffs come up. A farm-dependant jungler like Sejuani is not going to be at all happy if she ganks a lane, doesn't quite manage to secure a kill because the enemy laner took Flash like everyone and their dog, then comes back to her jungle to find the enemy Lee Sin's pinched her red, and possibly her golems too for good measure. That's the sort of counter-jungling I'm talking about. Sure, first-clear counter-jungling is the nastiest if the enemy actually pulls it off. But later counter-jungling can be just as infuriating.