Talk:Sion/@comment-24108298-20131107221830/@comment-8468980-20131128182344

"Because he's underpowered, I guess? What does this have to do with him being toxic?"

I'm not sure that you know what it means for a champ to have toxic gameplay. If you render them useless by simple number tweaks, then they're probably not particularly toxic. Vlad has been bombarded by metric tons of nerfs and is still used comptitively because of fundamental aspects of his kit (manaless, point/click poke, excellent waveclear, sustain, incredible escape, ulti- that boosts ally damage, and passive that grants lots of free stats).

Another example is S1 Eve who could remain stealthed right up until she attacked and her first AA from stealth stunned champs. The only way to diminish Eve effectiveness wasn't to decrease her damage, but to decrease aspects of her kit that *lead* to damage. Things like taking out her stun and making her visible when she's within a certain range of champs.

All Sion needed was for his base spell values and ratios to be decreased and he becomes one of the least used champs in the game.