Talk:Veigar/@comment-4748826-20140825215237/@comment-4748826-20140825223508

what about a kit like:

passive: Veigar gains a stack of "X" every 8/7/6 seconds, uppon killing a unit with a spell he will consume a "X" stack receiving a stack of "Z ". He can store up to 3 stacks of "X" at any given time. "Z" stacks without a cap.

Each stack of "Z" grants him 1 AP. Additionally he gains 5 AP uppon kill or assist.

Q: 50% AP ratio, if he kills a unit he will recover 50% of the mana cost and the baleful strike will bounce to a second target behind your target (similar to annie's Q + MF's Q)

So he can actually poke or do something aside from straight Q.

W: Higher AP ratio. 120% AP ratio maybe. higher cast range.

To compensate lower AP ratio on Q and maybe R, but now on a skillshot.

E: Now has a delay, the stun is 1 second flat at all levels, but the stun increases it's duration during the 3 seconds, up to 1,5 / 1,75 / 2 / 2,25 / 2,5 seconds. But lower CD. 16/ 15/14/13/12 ?

R: Removed 80% enemy AP ratio... I mean, it's useful during lane phase, but... is Veigar actually an anti-mage like kass or talon? Also, lategame you will be melting mages or carries alike... so, IMO they should remove the AP ratio and give him something like...

20/25/30 damage per stack of "Z"? Missing health?