Talk:Renekton/@comment-4929329-20120717232816

So, about those Renekton remake ideas!

Zilla proposed 4 fury gain instead of 5 when Renekton uses Q W or autoattacks a minion, but 8 fury gain when he uses Q W or autoattacks them. Of course empowered W gives no fury anyways so we're not debating that. He also thought about W having a CDR passive like Skarner's that reduces his ability CDs by 0.2/0.4/0.6/0.8/1.0 every autoattack he makes.

It's an interesting idea, but having an ability passive like that which SCALES while almost all his CDs get smaller causes problems during late game.

Ex of Late Game Renekton with 40% CDR -

Q = 4.8

W = 5.4

E = 8.4

R = 72

Since W applies onhit effects (It's treated as an autoattack), Renekton could infinitely activate his moves because spells interrupt his autoattack timer, meaning-

E -> aa -> W -> aa -> E-> aa -> E -> aa -> W -> aa -> E -> aa -> E combo could actually happen, because pressing W then autoattacking lowers his CDs by 3. But realistically you won't do that, you'll empower Q every so once and a while or use it for fury gain.

Essentially, his CDs will still be too large early on, but too small later on. Changing it to a static value meant to work with his W would be smarter, because then you wouldn't be an AD manaless melee version of Ryze by the time late game comes.

Yeah, I'm suggesting an early game buff to Renekton, but CDR that reduces values by a static amount has its power increase almost exponentially as the game goes on, so it's really more of a late game buff.

If we look at other champions like Skarner who have this ability, then you'll notice that the amount is much smaller when hitting creeps, in Renekton's case I think this should especially be true because his abilities actually put him next to his opponent, so rewarding Renekton for when he harasses his opponent by reduces CDs on minions would be unfair.

0.4sec against minions, 0.6sec against champions. With this, normal W reduces his CDs by 0.8 on minions, or 1.2 against a champion. Empowered W reduces his CDs by 1.2 on a minion or 1.8 on a champion.

Looking back at his CDs and kit, this W change makes Renekton similar to Ezreal, but since it's a stun and isn't a skillshot, we don't want it to be as potent CDR wise, so the value cannot exceed 1.0 for the reduction.

Ezreal's Mystic Shot - 6/5.5/5/4.5/4sec CD, Reduces CDs by 1sec if it hits an enemy.

Renekton's Ruthless Predator - 13/12/11/10/9sec CD, Reduces CDs by 0.6 (0.4 against minions) for every autoattack Renekton makes.

This statistic basically shows that Ruthless Predator would still be fair, because the CDR is small enough vs creeps such that he doesn't dominate the lane after he bursts, but his 1v1 won't fail and his teamfight (late game) potential would be greater as well. This also creates a neat incentive for atk speed.