Talk:Hecarim/@comment-5763148-20140213064536/@comment-8733289-20140302160242

Hecarim fastest jungler? I don't know what i'm reading anymore.

Anyway, pathetic damage in all situations, yes, even when ahead, unless 3 items ahead

Rather weak ganks unless bullying lonely and weak early top laners struggling in 1v2, if players use their trinkets and dont extend too far out you will likely not be able to gank at all

Weak to counter jungling, i am not really sure if it really applies to every champ, but if Hecarim is seen in his jungle with <60% health he is pretty much wrecked

Falls behind = 4v5

So i see no plus points to play him at all, yea ok good engage ulti but now most meta champions have 1 don't they?