Talk:Shyvana/@comment-7273169-20130713022138/@comment-9894095-20130718124652

@Niteark

While I love the new wriggles, I still don't build it. Even with it's nerfs, the Elder Lizard is still the better item for Shy. Why? Lets find out!

Stat Breakup!

35 > 25 AD

14 Hp/5 vs 15% lifesteal. Large point of contension. The 15% scales better and offers more sustain, but hp/5 should never be underestimated. It ticks even while you are not hitting anything, so you can use it to regen a bit while setting up ganks. I personally still build a Vamp Scepter as well, but build it into BoRK or Hydra instead.

25 armor vs. 10% CDR. It is honestly a little bit suprising how far even 10% CDR goes on Shy. That 10% helps her abilities synch up noticably better than they do without it. 25 armor is such a small ammount that it is hardly noticable.

Unique Effects. 100 mdmg on monsters vs. 6-40 and 30% more dmg vs. Monsters True dmg on All. No comparison. I'm not 100% sure on this, so don't quote me, but I Think the 30% increase in damage is a static increase calculated on the damage dealt. Assuming this is true, her 2% of the targets total health increases dramatically vs. high health targets. On something like Baron, who almost always has over 10k health, this equates to over 200 damage on hit with just E's proc. Meaning you get at least 60 extra damage per hit of that proc alone. This combined with the truedmg on hit equals or surpasses the wriggles 100 mdmg on hit. Even outside these that abusive example, Shy's cleartime is absurdly fast already and there is little difference with the wriggle's passive. The 1.5m ward is the bit that makes wriggles viable at all in comparison. If you are going to be counterjungling all day then it is a good option against another fast clearer, but even then the dueling power that SotEL gives you is nuts. The true dmg also strongly increases the threat of your ganks as you will just flat out be doing a lot more damage.

Flat stat wise, SotEL (subtracting the value of the useless mp/5) is worth 2226g ignoring passives. Wriggles is worth 2100g ignoring passives. You get more flat stat weight for SotEL than Wriggles for the same 2k gold buy.

In the end it comes down to preference, but I have personally had better results with SotEL, and almost every high rated Jungle Shy I have seen do well has been building it as well. I think that last bit likely says something.