Talk:Katarina/@comment-37126274-20181007140022/@comment-26227836-20181017034302

This exact topic has been discussed on Reddit hundreds of times. There's probably nothing here that hasn't already been said there.

That being said, I understand why Riot wanted a cast time on her E. Personally I'd be okay with the cast time if picking up a dagger reset her Shunpo completely (this was the case in Patch 6.22 when picking up a dagger refunded a percentage Shunpo's total cd, not remaining). Currently, pre-level 6, when you Shunpo to a dagger, your Shunpo doesn't come off cd for 3~ seconds. That's an awful amount of downtime. I suppose one could pick up both daggers from Q & W but that takes up quite a bit of that 3~ seconds. That's like trying to hail a cab but it drives past you so you run after it for 10 minutes and when it finally stops for you, you realize that you're already at your destination.

But I digress. When you E-W, you have to wait 1.25 seconds for it to drop. When you catch it, it refunds the remaining cd, making the E cooldown 2.8~ seconds. That's around 4 seconds before your Shunpo comes back.

Removing a cast time on E doesn't let Katarina instantly hop from dagger to dagger (the exceptions being catching 2 daggers or getting a Voracity reset). There's still a reasonable amount of counterplay if the cast time on E were removed, not to mention that enemies can "predict" where you're going to Shunpo by looking at daggers. '''What I'm getting at is that currently, there is too much counterplay in her kit. The E cast time doesn't necessarily have to go but there must be some QoL/buffs to make her feel better to play. i.e. let Katarina's R not reveal her in 'fog' of war.'''

Patch 8.2's minion aggro changes were a hit to Katarina as well. Q only bounces to 3 minions so it's super situational to poke with it without drawing minion aggro. E draws minion aggro as well. If you're going to basic attack anyway, it doesn't really matter but if you wanted to Shunpo to a dagger for poke and your enemy is too close, your E damage redirects onto them and then you take minion aggro.

@Yoyoguy55 There's no need to be pedantic. It was obvious that TokiJokiLoki was referring to Shunpo's cast time. Are you going to nitpick that I used "i.e." instead of "e.g.?" Furthermore, blinks/dashes can have channels (Pantheon R, Fiddlesticks R, Shen R, Vi Q).

@TokiJokiLoki Not everyone has low enough ping to take advantage of the benefits of Shunpo's "channel." From what I've heard, because of Shunpo's cast time, when you press E-Gunblade-W, sometimes Gunblade doesn't go off.