Talk:Ryze/@comment-4636093-20150410214413/@comment-4636093-20150410231417

Wow.... I... don't know what to say. I just tried him on the PBE.. and I literally am at a loss for words. The damage he does is utterly ludicrous.

A single E with ult running was enough to kill a full health Kayle Bot instantly ('instantly' as in: 20/0/0 LeBlanc Vs 0/10/0 Sona 'instantly') when I hit level 6, no other spells involved, with only the starting items, only 2 minions to bounce from.

Then later on I R-E'ed a minion intending to waveclear, and Kayle who was standing in range lost 80% of her health.... That's insane.

2 games later, this time with real people as enemies and results say something pretty similar. He does an utter shitton of damage even without items, they quickly learn not to stand next to minions however any melee WILL be forced to if they are to last hit. Pre-6 it hurts them quite a bit, but post-6 it's a death sentance. And his lane just got even easier with the range increase on his Q.

Itemization is still foggy though. Not really so sure what to buy. He scales better on AP now but still not enough to write home about, glacial shroud items give CDR... but with his ult he's going to be hitting the cap and exceeding it.

He DID get extremely more complex to play too. He's got 2 buffs to manage instead of 1, his ult and now his passive. Counting your passive stacks is required in the early game, as well as choosing the moment to hit the 5th stack for the bonuses. It's optimal to have all your skills on cooldown when your passive activates since the activating spell does count for the cooldown lowering effect.

I get the feeling that a bad Ryze will just get demolished in lane and 'might' be able to scrounge up a bit of power late game if his enemies clump.... while a good Ryze will be stronger than a fed Nasus.