Talk:VPBE/@comment-24853646-20150805073722/@comment-4270771-20150805124205

No, The garen rework is a massive nerf. The W is a nerf too. It's not 50 on pbe, it's 30, so basically the same amount as if you built 140 bonus armor/mr, plus you'll max W last, so for most of the game the bonus you're getting is only 10. And that comes at the cost of 30 tenacity for 6 seconds. Not even remotely worth it.

The E damage is higher EVENTUALLY. It ticks more often by champ level, not points in the skill. It's not until late game that the extra ticks start making up for the gutted base damage. At lv18 with 100 bonus AD, you're only doing about 140 more damage off a FULL SPIN. And that comes with the crippling new effect of a retarded 20% SLOW ON YOURSELF ANYTIME YOUR SPIN IS DAMAGING SOMEONE. So you have to suffer with having a much harder time getting a full spin on someone, that does less damage for the vast majority of the game, and even late game you only get a little bit more damage for a full spin.

The only ability that got buffed is his ult. And its a very powerful, but highly situational buff. While fun for getting shutdowns, its not even close to worth the nerfs to literally every single one of his other abilities. Plus lets not forget, who is most likely to be the "villian"? The enemy adc or mid, much  more  often than not. Aka the character that has tons of mobility and/or a team peeling for them, while you try to assassinate them with a shorter silence and a spin that slows yourself, which will then make it harder to even ult them in the first place because your silence doesn't last long enough to keep them from getting away and your spin lets them get too far away to ult even when they just walk away from you. Yeah, good luck catching that ezreal. The nerfs to all his other abilities make the buff to his ult worthless in itself, besides not being worth it in trade. The garen "rework" is by far the worst of the bunch, it's downright embarassing. To screw up so bad on a character that is so simple......wtf riot.