Talk:Warwick/@comment-25218650-20170111111817/@comment-25037679-20170113024129

Sure, Titanic Hydra is nice on Warwick. I'm not convinced about the Cleaver, though.

A lot of people on here are, for some reason or another, building around optimizing Warwick for when his enemies are below 20%, where he's at the attack speed cap even without any items. They use this reasoning to say you shouldn't build attack speed items on him, which seems pretty ridiculous to me. It's like building Pantheon around when his enemies are below 15% health-who gives a damn? They're gonna die either way if they're that low.

Hell, with the Titanic Hydra + Cleaver build, I've done the math.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eusNcftx_gl8fVuKCE442nOB1cKFvWWqXjWGhMbBwuI/edit?usp=sharing (feel free to make a copy and mess with it yourself to see)

You have inferior DPS to even Titanic + Wit's if you assume both Wits and Cleaver are automatically stacked. That is to say, Wit's End pairs better with Titanic Hydra than Cleaver does, giving more dps at 20% to 100% health values on a tanky target, for 600 less gold. (plus letting them both start automatically stacked actually benefits Cleaver in the comparison, since it stacks slower on Warwick than Wit's End.)

I'm not saying Wit's End and Titanic Hydra is the best combo on him (it isn't really) but I think it proves a point if it has comparable or higher dps than Black Cleaver. When I compared them I also had both armor and mr values for the target set to start out at 200 before being reduced, which far favors Cleaver's % reduction, and ignores the fact that a lot of the squishy targets you'd want to be focusing would have about 80-100 armor but only 30-50 mr.

Anyway, Wit's End beating or being equivalent to Black Cleaver might not hold true as long as the target is stacking MR, but then why are you building Cleaver if they aren't stacking armor? Why not get a Trinity Force or a Blade of the Ruined King? Cleaver is just an absolute waste of an item on Warwick is the answer. Don't buy it, unless maybe you're pairing it with every physical damage onhit item in the game, Bloodrazor, Botrk, Titanic, and a Sheen upgrade. Then it might actually be cost effective.