Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-26251295-20150531122454/@comment-24447033-20150601031034

But he does fall of very hard in comparison to other popular junglers like gragas and sejuani - lower damage against tanks (most of the time), less tanky, less cc. Furthermore, over half of the time he actually lands the Q, he can't go in, therefore more than half of it's damage isn't being applied so it's more like 170 (+0.9 BAD) until he actually goes in.