Talk:Shyvana/@comment-16180701-20130822024933/@comment-8468980-20130823061527

"So what does she have over those champs you listed, well, she wins engagements.  If you use that to your advantage you win."

The Old Chewbacca Defense XD You've said nothing. How do you think she wins engagments?

"J4 is very squishy compared to her and will lose any duel even if he's ahead by a fair amount."

Bullshit. Shield, hard CC, armor shred, attack speed buff, on hit, and the ability to disengage. Shyv has an AA reset and some free armor. J4 wins, *won* actually. Saying he didn't is ignoring how dominant he was until he got nerfed as well as some core items.

"So force engagements and you win."

With what? Harsh language? Other bruisers I mentioned had actual hard engages that could safely initiate, several didn't even need to pop ulti to do this.

Good game, No rematch.