Talk:Deathfire Grasp/@comment-4636093-20120504063836/@comment-77.249.233.124-20120509201736

^ yeah because 20 AP and a small range increase totally beats more damage from the active and mana regen *not*. Ok, I personally don't care about the mana regen since I never got this item for that purpose. However the reduced base damage on the active is a huge hit and 20 AP is a joke. Late game you're not going to notice 20 AP at all, even your support is stronger than that and it certainly doesn't make up for the lost base damage on the active. Besides that the range increase isn't that useful because a lot of champs can't follow it up with anything and late game it hits like a turd against anyone with half an mres item.

I hate to say it, but the first 2 anons are right. At the very best this item is equal to its former self, if not worse.