Talk:Ornn/@comment-4237052-20170809184244/@comment-3391671-20170811112655

The problem I see with these observation (not what people are saying, but what has been identified) is that Ornn was advertised in being a Vanguard who is self-relient. Yet, his strengths do come from teamfights, and not as much soloplay.

He has the brittle effect, which can help his own CC, but is essentially more helpful on other champions with longer CC effects such as and. Any CC in a kit is helpful solo and in teamfights, so having many of them without them directly benefiting himself does not entirely promote "I can work on my own." And having the ability to break and dissolve player-made terrain is asking for "help with a teamfight against ///etc."

If they thought "he's self-relient because of his shop-passive" then I would like to call a little BS on RITO for that. His kit has unique elements, but I feel they were somehwat half-heartedly assembled together =_=