Talk:Veigar/@comment-202.124.135.206-20110909022854/@comment-90.48.98.155-20110924083515

I wad doing a mental estimation of veigar max mana by concidéring the mana gain through 4archangel, a morello and a deathcap (a build that is already troll) and got result a little more realistic. (when i said realistic, i meant a 1h30 -2h game where veigar is going with 50 kill at least and so much farm that the player must have broke his Q touch)

So same goes here, it's totally impossible to reach 3k AP, 2 k maybe with a troll build (meaning no boot and no void staff) in a real game when the enemy suck beyond belief, and if you team just don't push at all.