User blog comment:Asylumking/Who makes you salty?/@comment-4290320-20150227084242/@comment-8506165-20150307230855

I've seen Dia1-3s complaining about Riven, are they all trash? What's the cut-off point for "capable" anyway, Plat? Gold? For the little it's worth, I even saw a Rioter complaining once. But either way, you're still not making your case effectively. You're attacking me ("you must be bad if you have a problem with Riven, only bad people can't handle her") rather than attacking any of my arguments. You're listing that there are ways to handle her, which is true and you have to make the best use of them possible, but that doesn't preclude a champion being overpowered and/or in need of change. Kayle during her reign? Weedwick? Pre-rework Nidalee? Any of the pick or ban champions that Riot have hard nerfed since their heights? They all had things you could do against them, the issue was whether or not it was effective enough. Are we going to undo all the nerfs ever?

I don't lose every game against Riven ever, and hell I've personally kited bad Rivens to death before with supports. Doesn't change how oppressive she feels, the fact that a significant chunk of the community across elos complains about her (with most of her defenders being Riven mains, brings back memories of old Nidalee...) or just maybe the fact that she perhaps is overpowered enough to warrant it. You talk about how all "capable players" can handle her and have no problem with her: why do some Diamond players still despise her? You talk about how she requires "incredible skill to play"; how is she maintaining any kind of strength given her high pickrate means that people who are unskilled with her will still pick her up? All you've really managed to say is "she has some counterplay". Now if you wanna go point that out to some of the people that are saying "Riven has no counterplay whatsoever", be my guest. I wouldn't complain at you for that - learning how to handle OP picks is an important skill, after all. ;)