Talk:Elise/@comment-9156457-20130801160924/@comment-5955640-20130802200411

That doesn't seem to be the case from what I can tell under most occasions. Heimerdinger is the benchmark of nerfs followed by Irelia.

But even then people can still play those champions competantly. It's fun to play a champion that is very straightforward but a lot of the challenge really comes from playing a champ well despite itself. Nerfs are done to balance a champ and if you like the champ you should be interested in overcoming the new obstacle. It should be enjoyable. You probably got complacent and could use a change of things.