Talk:Kayle/@comment-6000413-20140304134250/@comment-5319740-20140323002221

an ADC thats ranged is essentially an ADR, ADR is just a specific term unless otherwise noted.

shivv isn't as bad as you'd think it is, excluding the part that you can build shiv cheaper than PD, building it is gold efficient because of avarice, on top of earlygame effectiveness that procs 100damage bolts on an AOE basis that can crit for higher damage. in terms of early game damage, even if you could only proc it once or twice, the effective worth of that proc is equivalent to at least two autoattacks. it is effectively better than PD on champions with high mobility like vayne or tristana to boot as they could proc it a lot more than usual. most of it's worth by midgame becomes it's apparent wave clearing effectiveness, by late game it is either replaced by PD as the 4th or 5th item or kept for it's procs, notable on champions with high range pokes like ezreal or tristana.

i'm comparing kayle's E to jinx's fishbone, they're similar to that regard of an AOE autoattack, in jinx's case she'd fair better in terms of DPS.

multi-purpose kayle is far from bad yes, but it isn't ideal nor is it effective, you're sacrificing one person on your team just to fit a role that shouldn't be used much.

i mean where would you place her on lane phase? adr role? or support role? hell either of those wouldn't be efficient since kayle's earlygame AD scaling isn't good.

if for example you went AP support, buying spellthief would net you high gold returns whenever you hit with E, double value since E procs both as spell and AA per attack at that. AP would boost heal and make W's MS boost higher too, which is highly useful in support role.

in this case an AD kayle hybrid-role whatever could and would mostly end up as a minor threat against people, the miniscule burst damage isn't much of a threat, the low-side auto-attacks could effectively taken without much worry and shes still squishy.

AP AS CDR would net way more worth in regards to threat, utility and lane effectivity, her heals does actually heal along with the higher MS boost, her Q+lichbane would hurt like fuck, and her autoattacks fairs off the same, if not worse, as an AD-hybrid kayle. lichbane hat nashors lucidity hourglass rylai would make her on the beefy side along with high amounts of AP and burst, AS runes could compensate for the shortage of AS items as well.