Talk:Graves/@comment-91.226.179.6-20120611110343/@comment-80.15.143.26-20120623003332

vayne is far from top 3 best carries atm

look at her win/loss ratios in last tournaments: the issue with vayne is she can't farm against most carries and becomes useless late, at equal skill vayne can't win a lane unless jungler baby sit:

vs ashe: just long range poke then passive crit + hail and she's out of the lane

vs graves: just take a taric or leona:  stun dash buckshot AA vayne dead

vs corki: vayne can't hit corki  his pokes have too long range and in melee his gatling destroys her

vs ez: Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q problem vayne?

vs urgot: well to be fair not many carries can do shit vs urgot early

vs cait: too much range and piltover cait gets free harass

vs tristana: too much range, explosive shot on minions  harass and bumps to get her back when she dashes in

vs kog: to be fair once kog hits 6 vayne can go camp at spawn.

also her roll is nice to attack but she doesn't have it to go back if she attacks with it, which will give free hits

if you manage to get an early kill with vayne or have dumb passive oponents or not agressive enough oponents and a soraka she can carry hard but at high level nobody's gonna let a vayne farm, just like nasus and veigar, thats why they're not picked.