Talk:Gragas/@comment-5667385-20150113220011/@comment-8506165-20150120163248

Given that I still see a lot of people trying to do full AP Gragas, with the only changes to the old build being that it might include RoA or Lich Bane, and failing miserably, I'm not convinced that his low winrate is down to some balance problem with him necessarily.

Obviously without being privy to Riot's internal statistics where they can find out if he's finding more success in certain roles or with certain builds I can't be sure, but... hey. Also, PuppiiKicker makes valid points: I think it'd be a bad buff to give him if he needs one. If he does, then I'd maybe look at shaving a little bit of the cost off W, seeing as that was arguably the change that hit him hardest. Don't think it should go back to 0 mana and free sustain, but maybe 30 is a little high. 25 or even 20, perhaps.