Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-3546228-20110816121312/@comment-98.252.26.207-20110818022734

You guys are SO awesome!

That link about armor is amazing. That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking!

But yeah, you can't build that tanky and expect to do any kind of damage late-game.

Might of Equestria has good build ideas. The philosophy is spot on - to balance Garen's defense against his damage output.

I was fiddling around with my build last night, and I decided to replace Heart of Gold with an Aegis of the Legion. Combined with Spirit Visage and Atma's, it gives Garen 185 armor and 176 MR.

Okay, do you guys mind if I just list the build I'm thinking of?

Here goes.

My early game core would be: 2 Doran's Blades, Boots, Brutalizer.

Then I would build Ionian Boots, followed by Spirit Visage, Youmuu's Ghostblade and Atma's Impaler. Spirit Visage and the 2 Doran's Blades will give Garen enough HP to make Atma's an overall better buy than a B.F. Sword for example.

The cool thing about this is that you can build situationally: If you need the magic resist or HP, Spirit Visage, or if you need a Chain Vest, you can get that also.

I want to build Youmuu's Ghostblade early because 51 flat armor penetration is intense and Garen really needs some kind of armor pen against a decent team.

Then I'd build either an Aegis of the Legion or Bloodthirster depending on what I needed.

I prefer Bloodthirster because it's simply more cost effective. It's cheaper. I don't think Judgment necessitates the need for an Infinity Edge.

So finally, you have: Ionian Boots, Youmuu's Ghostblade, Spirit Visage, Atma's Impaler, Aegis of the Legion and Bloodthirster. For about 13k (12.5k build, 475g per Doran's, reselling at 238g a peice = 13,043g), you meet all of Garen's breakpoints: 185 armor, 176 MR, 312 AD, 40% CDR, and 51 flat armor penetration.

I prefer 51 flat armor penetration because before 150 armor, Bloodthirster should actually outdamage a Last Whisper. So if someone has 200 armor, 51 flat armor penetration means that Bloodthirster is still slightly better than a Last Whisper with Judgment, and largely better against squishies.