Talk:Garen/@comment-25541654-20191009210456/@comment-25541654-20191014140051

Yorick can defeat Garen but he needs and absurd time to setup the graves and land his skillshots; but now he is more prone to be cheesed on with conqueror at level 2. Flash Q + E + Ignite and you are most likely death before the Silence wear off.

Udyr can beat him in most cases, but he is useless in teamfights, he lacks execution, his cc is single target, unless you mas Phoenix you have only single target, lacks wave clear and Garen now can push the wave into turret and then roam or secure objectives, Fiora is even worse as she is a Glass Canon, a top tier Fiora is almost unbeatable but in most cases a single missplay will make Fiora useless; both cases need to stomp their lane or they will left your team 4 vs 5.

Irelia early is so nerfed that unless you manage to outplay Garen you will never reach late game before being stomped, drove out of lane and straight useless.

Perhaps my rant was a bit more extreme that it deserved and Garen Late is now a bit weaker or at least different, but I am so tired of this patches; Riot keeps nerfing high skill cap champions like Akali, Irelia, Quiyana but buffing champions that are so easy to play, and that something I don't like; if a Camille crush you outplaying you and managing her abilities like a Goddess then its deserved, that's not an easy champion.

That's why champions like Garen, Teemo, Master Yi or Darius annoy me so much (Tough with Darius I am starting to lower my annoyment due to playing with him, he is not as handless as he seems but he is rather easy after spending almost all my time playing Irelia and Camille).