Talk:Ekko/@comment-26524931-20150623160856/@comment-26524931-20150623195543

You simply saying he's easier to counter is not a good argument. I've given you many counters other assassins have that he does not. If there's a way to stop him, then say what it is? All I've heard is "respect his zones and dodge his spells" but the problem with that is it doesn't apply to his skills all that much. This isn't like Ahri where you can avoid his skillshots and avoid most of his damage. Most of his damage is from auto-attacks, which can't really be avoided with his mobility, and the AOE he creates require mimimal effort to maintain or plan for their size.

It's just a lot more effort to respect his AOEs than he puts in to maintain them.

The most glaring problem with Fiora's kit is that her ult will always operate unless she is hard CCed straight to the grave. Very similar to Ekko. There is no real counterplay to fiora's ult. The rest of her kit is just kinda boring stats stuff which while boring is not necessarily bad.

Just brought her up because Ekko's ult is similar in this regard-- not so much because it outright removes counterplay like her's does but because the 4s behind mechanic is very seldom going to be in a place you don't want due to how teamfights and pick attempts work in this game. If it stopped moving while you were CCed, or gave reduced damage when it healed more, or had a smaller AOE, or lagged further than 4s behind, it would be a lot less braindead to use.