Talk:Pantheon/@comment-24951773-20150124062530/@comment-5211662-20150405185227

I have never lost against Pantheon as Vladimir. I have also beaten some Vladimir as Pantheon (though I lost to the last one). If you use cloth + 5 pots and play safe, you will not lose as Vladimir. Always use Q on Pantheon. This way you will slowy poke him down as he does not have sustain himself, and you need to return poke to not completely lose the lane. However, you can use Q on minions if you are really low and need to last hit. With that said, it is very hard to kill Pantheon early and he is more likely to kill you if you don't play this right. However, if he does not manage to kill, he will lose the lane once you buy a Seeker's Armguard and a Hextech Revolver.

Vladimir does not need to use 21 points in defense to survive against Pantheon. He actually should not use 21 points on defense, as his damage will fall off without 21 points on offense. If you are not confident on this matchup, you can also use armor quints. With armor quints plus 5 pots, Pantheon cannot hurt you at all during early game.

Needless to say, Pantheon can in fact dominate and snowball should he manage to kill you once, or if he gets a gank from his jungler. However, surviving against Pantheon and winning against him is not as hard as you suggest. Vladimir has everything needed to counter Pantheon, as he is an AP caster with sustain.