Talk:Evelynn/@comment-5015210-20120730160537/@comment-4929329-20120731222726

^Your statements are very nebulous. If you quote everyone in high level play, then chances are, you will find a quote that is true. They might know the game somewhat well (it is ever changing and growing in complexity, it is no easy feat to understand how all the champions fit based around the other champions) but the newest and coolest ideas tend to never start in high ELO play. They're people like you and me, and I will value 1 on 1 talk with them, but statements to the community from them I am not interested in.

Higher levels of play are entirely dependent upon the situation you are in. That is why solo queue has tier lists, but M5 and whatnot probably do not have team tier lists. If they do, then that is rather contradictory of their gaming environment. In SoloQ, Talon stomps. In team play, he dies because he has no sustain. Yet again, make a finite arguement, by quoting Elements SoloQ advice and then talking about Teams, you show how you haven't grasped the differences between random people getting together to make a team, and premade teams WHEN it comes to advice. To your credit, you mentioned that Eve can win, but is a disadvantage in SoloQ. You might know quite a bit about the game, but using SoloQ tiers to surmise a champion's existence is wrong. Even Trundle is used is high levels of gameplay, because he is the antithesis of counterjunglers, but he will not be used in SoloQ.

Out of curiosity, do you have any reason to back up Nasus being lowered to Tier 5? You used it as a reason to discredit someone else, so... I would like to know who you think beats Nasus in top.

Elements has also said that some of his lists are his personal opinions.

Pros also try building a champion in almost every conceivable way before dismissing them as trash, assuming they like the champion, of course. The 2.4k ELO Nasus players that rush Sheen first are the reason Nasus is tier 5. He can build Vamp scepter, Ninjas Tabi/Merc Treads and THEN Sheen, otherwise he heals little and can only press Q to do anything. Building Nasus full tanky CDR is also a very bad idea. Guides aren't everything, that's for sure. I am just backing up you with an example.

I remember fighting a terrible Lee Sin as Evelynn on the PBE... he got owned, end of discussion as this isn't worth discussing, unless you want toknowhpw badly I destroyed him.

The pros often get inspiration from the community, so we, collectively, all teach pros a thing or two, constantly.