Talk:Volibear/@comment-66.41.10.10-20120831203450

I've been musing around with black cleaver on volibear and continuing to build him off tank dps (top lane for the farm). It has been a great pick thus far. Voli is inately tanky so he doesnt need much tank, its really over kill to rush a warmogs or other tanky items.

Why black cleaver is great:

1. Armor reduction of 45 on three hits means his w hits all the harder, especially effective against squishies/early game. In addition it makes your ad carry hit harder and as an off tank dps you'll be mostly peeling

2. Attack speed buff helps stack up his w faster and makes his ult hurt more.

3. Ad with his w makes his basics hurt and he can pretty much win a trade with any bruiser with possibly a few exceptions (not to mention he murders aps at this point).

Why to build him off tank dps:

1. Innately tanky with good base stats and ultimate

2. amazing at peeling with his q and e.

3. focusing on bruisers gives him strong dps, especially with his ultimate hitting mutliple enemies.

4. If he DOES NOT focus on initiating he can save his cc to save carry and he is hard to burst down which allows him to fully utilize his passive.

IMO people think voli is UP becuase everyone plays him as a pure tank jungler who is a one trick wonder with his w rather than utilizing his whole kit.