Talk:Kayn/@comment-33128512-20190115212240/@comment-17903049-20190210013938

While I agree with most of the points there, "And one more thing; the W cast time is the same for both SA and Rhaast, so if you couldn't kill someone because Rhaast takes too long to W someone then you wouldn't kill them with SA either." is wrong. SA has 200 extra range on his W, and as such, can hit someone with it when Rhaast would miss. This is assuming that they are running directly away from you, which isn't always the case, but is the case here. And if you miss your W as Rhaast, you're caught out usually far away from your target. SA still has shadow step, can close in on them while it is being casted, and chunk them out. Assuming you have Duskblade, you can close in and AA even just to slow them, although you usually would hit your Q as your W hit. And if they flash/dash/blink out, you have enough time to go back into the wall as SA kayn (1.5 seconds from coming out) when you don't as Rhaast (you are stopped for the cast time and don't have the full time).

Also, they would never have the same AD/items. Not only because of BC, but Rhaast builds tanky so he can live long enough to use his passive to heal, including Spirit Visage. SA doesn't need a single bit of Armor/MR/HP, because you're already dead if you're still in a fight after your passive is down. You lose about 30-40% of your total damage without it up, and you have no sustain beyond runes and walking through a wall. When you go for Rhaast, you don't want burst, you want sustain for teamfights. You can go all bursty assassin, but ADC's can escape your W and have enough range to kill you, and that's generally an assassin's target. SA has extra speed for better positioning, and range, for better casting. If you want assassin, go SA. If you want a good teamfighter, got Rhaast. Both can do the other's job, but not as well as they themselves do it.