Talk:Garen/@comment-4542190-20150823112447

@Odaswifteye Mostly unchanged?! Lol. It changed entirely.

Old Courage gave you 20% bonus armor and magic resist from all sources (items, runes, masteries etc) which made every defensive item that much more efficient on Garen. Also, the damage mitigation AND cc reduction on activation was great when you got focused (being ganked/teamfights). Plain damage mitigation (and at that cooldown until you gather some cdr) makes it a much weaker version of Alistar's ult. Rito's supposed "reasoning" behind this (which you seem to support/adopt in your reply) was that built-in tenacity is a bad concept, just buy it when you need it (*cough cough Irelia's passive ALWAYS ON AND STRONGER, Garen had to at least press W at the right time cough cough*). All in all, it was one of the best and most underrated skills in the game (imho at least). Thing is, Merc Treads may not be a good choice depending your lane oponent and Ninja Tabi will be better (but you still need the tenacity because he may have cc as well or for the teamfights later anyways). And Zephyr... let's just say you don't see it often and for reasons-especially on Garen.

New one is a flat amount and it has a cap (unlike Sion's for example). And percentage based > flat (especially with caps). How do you say it is better? It easily qualifies for worst skill in the game.

Oh and Rito also said "We don't want champion X to be better than champion Y in all aspects so you'll have no reason to pick champ Y over X- rather have each champion feel unique, stressing his strengths and weaknesses blah blah blah". But guess what? If you take Garen and Darius after the changes, we come across just that. Darius has both better damage AND is a better tank than Garen (stats alone). So... it's pretty much self-explanatory from now on.

P.S. Please (this goes for everyone) spare me the "you're comparing different kits of different champions that fill different roles" mumbo jumbo. Garen and Darius were put on the SAME TEAM by Rito itself and everything considered (abilities, scaling, lore etc) they fill the same place.

P.S. II Sorry for not replying to the original comment. I think Odaswifteye wouldn't see my reply there because of the late reply (sorry for that too) and all of the comments that came before mine.