Talk:Skarner/@comment-69.203.158.225-20121004025503/@comment-184.77.121.232-20121017082918

really strong but i wouldnt say hes a better jungler than the other two.

shyvana is more versatile than skarner in that she is manaless. she can start either side and provides "true" initiation in teamfights with her ulti. Undoubtedly skarner has better ganks especially after 6, but he still gets kited by good displacers in teamfights, especially if his flash is down.

udyr is highly underestimated, 2 months ago he was quite essentially the "go to champion" because he is safe to play anywhere. Udyr's main problem is that he gets kited just like skarner. However, he has slightly better pre 6 ganks and faster clear times. That combined with his bear stance, make him very strong against certain popular champs (katarina, irelia, lee sin, etc) and a great jungle duelist. However, his post 6 ganks and late game is not as good as skarners, as he plays almost purely as a peeler.