Talk:Vi/@comment-26433263-20150803234855/@comment-9705522-20150813203114

Of course Im repeating the same points. Because they have not been debunked and hold up still. Its a stupid kind of logic, that an argument becomes less relevant if its used more. No, it remains just as relevant. If it was true before, and wasnt debunked still, then its true still. Which is true for these arguments.

Also, it doesnt matter how common Vi is, she is a problem whenever she is picked, and 1 out of 10 games is still too high (if she had a pick rate of <.5%, then maybe it wouldnt be as important, but 10%? oh its important). And will it not get us anywhere? Honestly, Id say it probably will, eventually. They introduced counterplay to several champions. Made others, like Teemo and Yorick less toxic.

Vi is just the worst of them all, and eventually, she will have to be tackled. At the very latest, when every other "toxic" champion is fixed, and Riot is forced to acknowledge Vi simply because she is the only one people will be able to see. She doesnt need to be nerfed even. Just give her ult counterplay, which is sorely needed. Or hell, remove the current ult completely and give her an ult that isnt the embodiment of bad design.