Talk:Skarner/@comment-26973301-20150909201532/@comment-26203093-20150910140403

I suppose they would what's considered AP bruiser items, except they're poor in their roles of sustained fights. Abyssal isn't cost efficient enough and defensive enough - the aura is better on tanks since it places the wearer in the enemy - Rylai's basically requires that you don't have any other reliable, more effective slows after the slow stack change, or that you can easily and constantly reapply it, either way I find it comparatively lacking to titanic hydra, for example for another item with offense and health on it. Or frozen mallet which for some reason seems more reliable to me.

I think that's a personal bias, though - I know the slow from rylai's is way more reliable on a vlad's Q than frozen mallet on most champions - but it's wasted on rumble's E and ult, and Q has a downtime...

Liandry's quickly dminishes in effectivity throughout the fight - and can't be accelarated like botrk is with AS. you either need to poke with it, or be the engager as far as the passive is concerned. The added AP they gave recently makes it a lot better, but the passive doesn't increase in strength as the champion does with titanic. I want a titanic abyssal. the version they've iceboxed seems like it would make the AP bruisers scale properly - but there's still strong arguments about just putting it on a tank instead, unless they get personal damage scaling on it.