Talk:Udyr/@comment-9686801-20130728234557/@comment-180677-20130729065211

0. Fine, thanks. I hope you too. Even after a weekend with very hot weather, and occurring noisy bandwaggoners on the weekend :(

1. Guinsoo can be a cost-effective offensive item on him. Depending on the enemy team, you go at least one defensive item first (in Jungle after Golem item) before making things like this. Except you feel so safe that you could actually rush it earlier and wreck enemies with Q-R combos. It is still a very situational item. IBG + Zephyr deal almost the same damage (even if the base numbers are lower than Rageblade's) and provide brutal synergy.

2. Well, I played around with that in some co-op (I am still not certain if i would feel comfortable in Ranked and the like with that). Starting with tiger, getting 2 points for it, mix in 2 points turtle and 1 bear, then proceed to max phoenix and tiger. I've actually also seen some Udyr junglers (in Ranked) that skip turtle to max tiger and phoenix instead, which would allow for super clears and very aggressive ganks but with less protection when engaging. Phoenix/Tiger combined are amazing pushing tools top and make the life of weak pushers like Shen and Irelia (without ulti) very harsh. Ward and proceed to shove the minions into enemy tower. Regarding Turtle and Bear. If you decide to get a early Doran's Blade to support ur laning (works in jungle too) you could leave Turtle at level 1 or 2, depening how comfortable you feel with a only 60-100 HP shield. It gives nice sustain nonetheless. Bear is a one-point wonder most of the time. If you still feel you need better "disengage" get it to 2-3 and might leave it there.

3. The only items with AP (without going for AP/AS Udyr) that fit him are Trinity Force, IBG, maybe Rageblade. Rod of Ages would be hilarious and make you forget about your mana. That are all "AP"-containing items I consider for him without going for the AP variant. Nashor's more for the AP/AS Route together with RoA, Abyssal and IBG.