Talk:Kayle/@comment-99.248.65.68-20120602232724/@comment-2124153-20120607001331

^ Your argument is one that sounds plausible, but falls apart when you examine it closely. I think perhaps that you're not a Kayle player, or at least not a very good one. I can rebut your entire post with one word: Intervention.

But let's take a brief look at your points anyway.

You insinuate that you need an top-rank ability to be considered for a pick, but the fact of the matter is, Kayle's versatility is also a strength. She is good or passable at a variety of different things, and has no particular weakness that's easily exploitable. To your point about J4 or Mao's ganks, for example... sure she is a weaker ganker (though still very good), but both of those champions have weaknesses that she does not.

Kayle is fast and duels well... counter-jungling her is dangerous and may not even accomplish anything for the risk. She is adequate at invasion herself (has no problem ducking into your jungle to steal things if you are spotted cross-map). Stealing her blue makes no difference, she didn't need it in the first place, from her perspective it's the same as giving it up to mid lane. A concerted effort to shut her down by your entire team doesn't give you the dividends that it does other junglers, because she doesn't need farm to be effective. This is fairly obvious to anyone who notes that Kayle is a legit 0 CS support, and puts 2 and 2 together: her Q still peels, her W still heals/hastes, and he ult still has invulnerability, and none of those things need farm.

Realistically, she is effective with the low jungler salary. Why? Because she scales excellently with AS (because of Righteous Fury), and AS is extremely cheap and easy to itemize for. Kayle with double Doran's, zerk's, and a Zeal/PD is a legit threat in a fight.

Now, it's really no skin off my nose if you're swayed by an arrogant drunkard. You're just some anon, and it's in my best interests if jungle Kayle is a secret to everyone, because it makes it easier to get a pick. But, there you go, a reasoned argument by a longtime jungler and career Kayle player. Educate yourself, or print it out and use it to wipe your ass.