Talk:Udyr/@comment-4207370-20110924101249/@comment-4207370-20110925124502

I've calculated it. Let's say you're doing three attacks with Phoenix and Tiger Stance each. As Tiger you have usually at least 10 AD through runes, as phoenix a bunch off attackspeed runes. You gank with level 4, so you skilled both Phoenix and Tiger 2 times. Phoenix wave dmg will proc three times.

Tiger: 3*75,71 (AA) + 193,56 (Tiger) = 420,695 Phoenix: 3*77,71 (AA) + 3*25 (Phoenix Wave) + 80 (Phoenix Proc) = 388,13

I've used the bonus AD through Phoenix in my calculation plus assumed that attackspeed through Runes (Phoenix) and Tiger are about equal. Pheonix deals just about 30 damage less, but has one problem in my opinion: if you want to stun AND proc the phoenix passive you will need 4 attacks to do so. That will take quite a long time. With tiger, you can activate it and switch to bear stance without getting the burst lost. Overall I would say that both are equal, yes, BUT phoenix will rather work in a good coordinated team, so you can root the enemy a long time in one place. For solo queue, I guess Tiger is better, as its burst doesn't need good coordination. Don't get me wrong, i love both stances, and I agree both are - in theory - about equal. But in reality you sometimes face teammates that run back even if you tell them you're going to gank and even catch the right moment. If I'm playing with friends I will defenitely give some more respect to the fire bird.