Talk:Shen/@comment-115.64.177.102-20110724033453/@comment-3486816-20110729092612

I don't see how shen does anything better (in jungle) with golem buff. Spamming Q for the damage hardly speeds you up; you're much better off giving blue to your AP carry (which is unfortunate if he's laning top and you're on the purple side; in that case you might just want to take it for the extra gold/exp). I'll take red when I'm jungling shen for the extra jungling speed and in case I do gank (although I rarely do; it's pretty difficult to do unless your laners can actively set it up for you), but imo his strongest trait in the jungle along with his complete sustainability is his ability to completely give away his buffs, and I don't want to waste that, as blue on an AP carry or red on an AD carry early game can make a HUGE difference.

Also, getting a madred's razor's (and not building it into anything) really speeds up his jungling; I'd highly recommend it. The only issue is that you need to stop autoattacking sooner when giving buffs away.

Lastly, if you're considering a jungle tank, don't rule out Maokai. His ganks are amazing, his speed is good, and he's actually a pretty good counterjungler. The only issue is his lack of sustainability (so he's basically the complete opposite of shen in the jungling department, but both are really good).