Talk:Gragas/@comment-15562896-20120526155004/@comment-15562896-20120527151421

I used to harass with Q from level one on, but I noticed it barely did anything, made my mana bar cry, and pushed the lane, making me vulnerable to ganks.

Now I basically don't harass at all before lvl 4 where I have lvl 2 Q and proceed to EQAA my target. Problem is Swain's harass dmg pre four which hurts and when he hits six, I can't kill him anymore unless I can burst him down almost instantly and get an ignite when he ults.

As for Fizz, I haven't played this matchup so much, but I will try holding my Q/R for after he E's, sometimes I miss my barrels because of that bullshit spell. Much like Vlad's pool, I guess.