Talk:Ziggs/@comment-3514681-20121124104931/@comment-97.77.55.35-20121127011108

Except that even with the buff to his jump recently, he still doesn't have the same kind of utility that other mids(READ: Popular competitve picks) do, and doesn't put out that much more damage, if he does more at all.

Ori for example does similar damage, has an aoe move speed buff/debuff, a shield, and a displacement ult that is devastating to clustered teams.

Ziggs has damage. And a small knockback or decent escape tool, but not (usually) both. Sure, if Ziggs is properly farmed, he will do great damage to that clustered team from Ori's ult scenario, but Ori could go 0/5 and still CC the entire enemy team and then slow them to help her team chase.

Ziggs will need at least a small rework to the way his kit works before he see's much if any competitive play. His CC and damage need to be seperated so he can have utility available before and after he nukes someone.