Talk:Gragas/@comment-66.191.11.88-20130112184606/@comment-68.44.212.58-20130205163926

''Why would you even consider going non-AP on him? He doesn't even compare to the most basic magic damage bruiser like amumu/maokai/nautilus/malphite in both base damage and natural tankiness. All of them have better cc too, btw.''

''In regard to his midlane power I think all points were made. He doesn't compare in the slightest to the current top picks.''

lol, I think you need to take a look at his skillset again. His W grants him 30 AD at level one, with his W and AD runes he has 100 AD at level one, once you hit lvl 2 you grab yourself your E and you can start harassing. It's simple, either wait for them to initiate or charge in yourself and wail on 'em with your AD steroid, the slow lasts 2.5 seconds, more than enough time to get in 3 autoattacks if you move with your opponent.

Secondly, his ult grants him incredible utility on a fairly low cooldown (you should be building at least 1 CDR item on him anyway). Need to escape from a gank? Dash and Ult if you need to. Need to execute an enemy? Ult. Need to pull an enemy? Ult. Need to disengage from a teamfight? Ult.

Seriously, think about the positives before bashing an entirely different style; AD Gragas is incredible early game but of course he falls of 15+; however, he's still got his E as a slow and his Ult as utility so he's not completely worthless. If you can prevent your lane opponent from getting ahead early game then it'll be worth it in the long run.