Talk:Riven/@comment-4834593-20131228142718/@comment-7434112-20140110174910

.... I corrected you and even specified where you made the mistake in yet you still try to defend yourself...

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions'_mana

Scroll down to karma and look at her mana at lvl 1.

The full execution of the combo is not a lot shorter than what I had said, I kept the ~ there to signify that it is approximately 2 seconds, because it cannot be 1 second and will not be 3 seconds. It may be around 1.5-1.75 but definitely not shorter than that. 2 Q's may get into her face but there are so many other variables you haven't taken into account, like E'ing away and kiting or W'ing while she's gapclosing and making distance. Simply said, you only talk from a 1-sided viewpoint. The total hard CC she brings is around 0.75 + 0.5-1.5 (hihgly likely 0.75) so ~1.5 secs on demand and melee. This much of time isn't enough to "reset" her CD's, make time to land an AA yes, but not buy the time to make her skills come off of CD for another rotation.

And in regards to your last sentence... Riven's W will be lesser than Karma's at all lvls, and her E's CD only decreases after lvl 2, which usually makes an impact at later levels of the game (maxing it either 2nd or last). And I think you misinterpretted Karma's passive. It only reduces the CD on her "ult", it has no other relation to her basic abilities.