Talk:Fizz/@comment-5401930-20120812235558/@comment-5151680-20120816151754

OP has clearly never played against a good Annie, ryze, zyra, veigar, or gragas, and completely forgot about talon.

Good annies and ryzes will never lose lane to a fizz. However, fizz does roam better than they do, so he can outperform them in that aspect, but trading with good annies/ryzes is quite difficult.

Zyra is a pretty hard counter to fizz because her plants deal quite a bit of damage.

A really good veigar will rip fizz a new one with his stun + pokes. However, you can easily counter and destroy veigar by taking cleanse.

And a good gragas will just out sustain your damage output, and his Q's have a much shorter cooldown than your E.

And lane against a good talon could go either way.

Spell order should be E-Q-W-W-W- etc. Getting W first is just asking to be killed at level 1-2.

Also, double jumping over walls with your E isn't secret. What is secret is jumping over small ledges with a single jump, letting the enemy waste flash to chase, and then quickly jumping back to the first side with the second half of E.