Talk:Garen/@comment-94.6.98.252-20120904165040/@comment-46.7.207.128-20120905011201

Actually, since the changes I found Garen to be, while slightly weaker to begin with, much stronger as he approaches level 5-11. While I have only fought one Shen with the new Garen, what you have to do now with new Garen instead of automatically maxing judgement is to judge if the enemy is more sensitive to sustained or burst damage. In the case of Shen, you should obviously go Q>W>E but instead, go Q >E, this way, you got decent burst damage through Q and E. Personally I never had trouble as if he decides to overtly harass you with his dagger, you either rush him with your Q as he is close or you retreat briefly to the brush. I

Another factor which likely played a part was your masteries and Runes. For Runes I go AP quints, and AP marks, giving him a lot of early game hitting power. As for Masteries, lot of people are still too used to the old Garen where you would mostly invest in Offensive Masteries.As of recent however I have found with new Garen (and likely would have with the old) Defensive Masteries actually compliment him better, as it provides him with both additional tankiness and staying power to his already decent attack damage. Maybe the Shen I was fighting was poor or maybe unlucky (ultied him during his flash) but I never had an issue with his damage or durability.