Talk:Deathfire Grasp/@comment-129.21.126.33-20101004043356/@comment-129.21.179.117-20101216154128

the only way to get to 2000 ap is if your viegar but it's very difficult. If you stack Archangel staffs a zhonya's ring, and a elixir of brilliance then discounting Ardor, archmage's savy or runes the equation is as follows.

1.25*(120+n*0.03[1.05(m+1000+n*400)]+45*n+40)

where n = # of archangels m= total mana inherent of champion

veigar's mana pool is 1240 (250+18*55)

the maximum number of archangel staffs that you can have is 5

1.25*(120+5*0.03*[1.05*(1240+1000+5*400)]+45*5+40)=1316

the ap needed to get to 2000 = 684

684/1.25[zhonya's ring's passive]=547.2

so in order for viegar to get the ap required he would have complete a build costing 17,985 gold and kill 547.2 minions with baleful strike or get 109.44 kills.

with archmages savvy he would have to kill 15 less minions or 3 less kills

I don't know how Ardor stacks with Zhonya's ring

All things considered Getting 2000 ap seems quite impossible to do