Talk:Draven/@comment-24702580-20150928225230/@comment-24702580-20151002163006

Ok, thanks for the tips. The feeling I have been getting as I've tried out more builds is that if you get super far ahead youmuus will help you snowball harder, but otherwise its pretty underwhelming.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried black cleaver on him? The phage passive seems like it would be really good and CDR is always nice + he can stack it up fairly fast if he gets a good ultimate. I have noticed that if you hit around 30% cdr you can stack 2 axes without any minions nearby, although I'm not too sure if it is all that useful to be able to do it.

Also, does anyone know if the distance that the axe lands have any interaction with movespeed or is it mostly static? Sometimes I feel like I have to stop on the axe marker while moving or I will move too far past it to catch.

Last question, I am having trouble with runes. Right now I am using flat AD reds, flat HP yellows, flat/scaling MR blues and that seems to be decent, but I have no idea what to run for quints. I have tried flat AD but they seem so ineffecient and I haven't really felt much of an impact in my damage. I also tried armor pen, movespeed, and flat armor but none of them seem to be all that amazing. Im currently trying to save ip for some lifesteal quints, but they were nerfed pretty hard so I am not too sure how they will work out. The only other things I can think of are hp regen, experience, and gp10 if I really cant think of anything better.