Talk:Nocturne/@comment-4019444-20111129025653/@comment-4219452-20111206232229

^ What lack of real presence are you talking about? Yeah, the reductions to E's range are pretty hard, but I haven't seen anything else get any sort of major hits recently. Unless you would think that E's only use is in trying to grab a runner, in which would also seem to insinuate him only being good as a chaser, and not potentially as a strong duelist.