Talk:Riven/@comment-4539735-20120225213654/@comment-155.69.203.1-20120226131620

It's already been confirmed by the vast majority of players that she isn't "OP" anymore after her nerf. Reflect on the game, and try to put the pieces together. For my Zero point, were you playing well or playing badly? As basic as that may seem, many players always feel they were doing their best when they call a champion OP. Firstly, like all champions, she's strong against some champions and weak against others. Irelia, Rumble, and Kennen counter her very well, provided they know what they're doing. Secondly, Riven is also somewhat classified as an AD carry, although she is far more skill reliant than the real AD Carries due to her passive and melee range (champions like Tryndamere and Master Yi rely on AS with their AD, as well as Crit. Riven goes for pure AD). Thirdly, Riven is "handicapped" by the fact that she has no ranged abilities apart from her one-use Windslash. Thus, she is easily harassed by any decent player. Her "double ultimate" is not OP whatsoever. Without one half of the ability, it wouldn't even count as an ultimate-level skill. The 20% bonus AD is insignificant to many other champions own abilities. Master yi's Rank 5 E gives him 70 Bonus AD, and if that was mere 20%, he'd have to have 350 AD to start with. Talon's E gives him not just 15% bonus damage, but from ALL sources, including Ignite. Shaco's passive speaks for itself, as well as Corki's. The Windslash is only an Execution ability. It has less killing potential compared to Garen's ultimate, and is only a very temporary solution to her melee handicap. For a Windlash to do decent damage, the target would have to be almost dead either ways, where the 20% bonus AD and range could easily do it without the projectile. In fact, the weak Windslash can't even kill a single full hp minion. If people are so whiny about her "2 part ulti", why not complain about Xerath, Ahri, Anivia, Akali, or Urgot (omg suppression AND position cc? someone ban him, DERP) etc. So stop complaining about her ultimate being OP.