Talk:Riven/@comment-9775822-20151029051932/@comment-5955640-20151102031112

They both need their ults but for different reasons and they have different applications in getting the same goal. Generally speaking a Riven that isn't behind is still brow beating her opponents with stuns and knock ups while also having an anti trade sheild. She spams her spells as often as possible to force a submission and then the ult is just the execute as they try to get away.

Leblanc's ult is just a much more powerful form of whatever spell she just used. This gives her a lot of power for those two spells which she has to keep track of. So if she wants to jump twice she has to use the jump spell and then not use another spell so mimic can be her second jump.

Leblanc really just kills people with her entire spell rotation which doesn't really involve the ult.

Sigil of Malice, Etheral Chains, Distortion. (or Distortion and Etheral Chains if it would be easier to chain them up close). In either case she either uses Distortion again because you managed to not die somehow or she throws out another chain to lock you down for another sigil of malice.

Riven it's Q,Q,Q, W, E. After just the Qs her passive is fully charged granting her bonus damage.

Riven's Q is 13 seconds, Her W is 7, her E is 6.

Leblanc's Q is 6 seconds, her W is 18-10, her E is 14-8.

Why complain about the one spell on Riven's kit that isn't short when the rest of her kit has constant utility and damage on a shorter cooldown than Leblanc's simply because she can use one version of a previously used spell once in comparison to everything Riven gets when she ults?

Think about it. Wind slash is cast once but Riven maintains the power the ult activation gives ontop of her still being able to get and consume charges of her passive. It increases the range of all of her spells. Makes her auto attack range rival Tahm Kench who has the longest melee range of 200. And STILL. Has a execute can deals 75% of the opponents health.

The sheer Enorminity of how much Riven gets during her sequence and how much she has when it's down should speak for itself. I don't know how you could tell me otherwise.