User blog comment:Asylumking/Who makes you salty?/@comment-4290320-20150227084242/@comment-8506165-20150301134941

Muddling skill floor and skill ceiling is a favourite amongst anyone who plays a champion with a high skill ceiling: you're not the next Faker if you get a single kill with Zed for instance, even though mastering all the potential tips and tricks with shadows could be quite hard. Same goes for LB and Distortion jukes. And the ever-popular Lee SIn: while his skill ceiling is genuinely high, the minimum required to play him is hitting a quite fast linear skillshot, and possibly ward-hopping.

While Riven does have quite a lot of outplay potential requiring a decent amount of skill to pull off, quite often she doesn't need it because she can just brute-force her way to victory, especially if her ult's available.