Talk:Riven/@comment-4977390-20130225202841/@comment-2124153-20130225230901

A single survival item is usually the limit of what you want to get. Full on, balls-deep AD is what you see in Bronze. I've recently started running with a flat CDR Glyph page, so that I can give up Ionian for Merc's when I need tenacity.

But you can't go too far. Stacking health, like you were some bruiser with built-in defensive statistics, is a mistake. If you have a Guardian Angel, your defensive item is already in your build; why are you getting a Randuin's on top of it? Etc.

Riven's naked damage is a little better post-passive, but it's not so good that you can just wrap yourself in pillows and expect to have an impact in teamfights. Without damage, your abilities are not a threat, and without significant CDR, you can't even effectively peel or bother people in an extended throw-down.