Talk:Kayle/@comment-58.106.243.16-20121204040207/@comment-5606883-20121212040016

@^ Listen, its a bad idea to argue with Interceptor402, I am a veteran Kayle player who is die-hard about building her Hybrid, and after a long talk I changed my tune.

Jungleing without Smite was viable for many champions in S2 with hard leashes to "survive" in the jungle- but now with S3 jungle, the creeps attack whoever is closest, so either the solotop lane gets set back because he's tanking all the damage, or you end up with 1/2hp after the blue/red buff. Also, the enemy jungler will have a field day with a ward in your blue buff or red buff brush and a last-minute Smite to steal it. There is no getting around that fact, its an instant damage burst spell so the enemy jungler will -always- come out on top, and with the buff. And no buff = less experiance = less gold = useless jungler who just melts in every fight. In S3, you need Smite. Shaco and Fiddlesticks can easily survive the jungle without Smite, but once again- the enemy jungler will just troll you all game and make sure the APC mid never sees the blue buff, and your ADC will never get the red buff.

Also, you can't "predict" where the enemy jungler is without wards, or if you saw him move into the blue buff area from the river, which again, requires wards. And if your loosing your blue/red buffs to the enemy jungler then you don't have the money for wards.

This is on an off-note @Interceptor402, so disreguard everything below this Anon.

I hope you remember me :) huehuehue =P Anyways, my main roles in LoL have always been APC, Solotop, or ADC, and I've been branching out into jungling but I've done really bad with "jungle champs", like Hecarim, that I don't know how to play, so I thought that I would try Kayle Jungle since I already know her inside and out (...that means two things! lol jk =P)

So do you think you can give me a suggestion of what Jungle Kayle masteries/runes/starting items/jungle pattern/skill order should be? Thanks :)