Talk:Xin Zhao/@comment-86.26.168.94-20120720140351/@comment-178.166.24.118-20120720161246

I've been experimenting a lot and I'm maxing E first. Why? Because it's the ability which gives you the highest burst and the extra slow helps keeping up to flash or Champions with dashes. Maxing W does not give you a faster jungle clear because it's the normal ability with the highest CD and E really helps you clear small camps quickly, albeit at a higher mana cost. The sustain is also negligable because Xin barely loses health in the jungle after Vamp. Scept. and lvl 1 W. I also max W before Q. Why? Well, what you want from Q is essentially the CC during a gank. I understand how strong the damage output seems, but in truth maxing it is better for lane where the low cost harass is gold, not as important for jungle Xin.

So my skill order is: start Q (resets auto attack timer, it's the best ability to start with) -> W -> Max E -> Max W -> Max Q, with points on R whenever possible.

Feel free to experiment the first and second clear times on custom games with different sets of skill order and you'll see that there's no speed difference from maxing W instead of E, except the latter is better for ganking.