Talk:Elise/@comment-24090792-20140105031401

poor elise i think she needs her states ( Ar and MR ) in spider form back along with her spiderlings nerfs being reverted for a couple of reasons :

1 - she spends most of her time in the frontline unlike nidalee who can nuke from great distance ( 1 spear = 1 is out of fight ) and can heal and lay traps while in human form out of harms way while elise even in human form her q still puts her in range of most frontliners as without it W can do little because of its long cd.

2 - her skills in spider form are not bursty like nidalee as they require her to AA the target much and her spider Q jumps her right in the fray while still being able to be targeted unlike fizz E ( her Rappel is quite conditional as the stasis is not instant AND doesnt cancel leash skills and it cant make you land on your target if its moving even inside your Rappel radius so its mostly used as an escape tool ).

thats why she needs her spider states back and her spiderlings nerfs reverted also she has 2 SKILLS that doesnt deal damage while JAYCE have just 1 BUT FOR HIS BETTER LUCK he still have his AR and MR in hammer form along with extra damage and his scalings are way better than elise in fact all his skills scale at 100% and above that, besides having the best 2 roles in the game ( fighter + marksman ) which he can excel at both of them by just 1 set of items without any real sacrifice to any of them.