Talk:Veigar/@comment-202.124.135.206-20110824030050/@comment-3358335-20110825215427

That's just it, Brand Cannot burst 2 or 3 people down to "Very low hp" and carry a game, unless the opposition is stupid. In order for Brand to do that kind of damage his opposition needs to completely neglect MR and they have to stand close together. Veigar doesn't need to rely on idiocy to kill one person and turn a 5 v5 into a 4 v 5. Against Squishies Q and R are enough to kill most of them instantly after the 30 minute mark. They aren't skill shots, they don't miss, they can't be dodged, so no matter how good they are, or how bad you are, those two are going to hit. You can snag a kill and still have two more weapons in your arsenal (including your stun) Brand completely relies on getting his W, Q, R, and E done in combination, and opponents standing right next to each other. By the time that Brand AND Veigar get to that much damage both of them are going to be targeted instantly so it is a matter of dropping and moving.

Now, if you want to play with Amumu, Leona, Galio, or some other AOE CC type champ, then yeah Brand can beat Veigar. But then again, Veigar's utility is to bring that same AOE CC that brand would have to rely on someone else to do.