Talk:Riven/@comment-33536623-20140127122040/@comment-9008617-20140201210520

"If you were to read into U N Ovvrn's post "'''shyvana can dive onto you, deals more damage with her w than garens e (and she can still attack during it)", you'd see why I commented like that, rather than just attack a post I made. Garen can't AA in his spin2win but in the 4 secs after, yes he can." - Cliff'''

And my point still stands. It's magic damage that scales off AD unlike Garen's physical damage.

If you itemize for armor than Shyv's W will burn hotter.

If you itemize for magic resist than her AA and Q (AA reset) will hurt more and apply 2x the on-hits which can further be another mixed bag depending if she runs Botrk (physical) or wit's end (magical) - not to mention if Shyv had already landed her E which means more magic damage based on AAs on-hit.

In any case, this thread was suppose to be about counters to Riven...