Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-93.135.230.210-20130212024002/@comment-88.130.141.100-20130213090056

Theyre not really good in general and bad on Jarvan. He is more a AD-Caster and alot of his damage comes from his abilities/passive. So ad or arpen is way better. Also it wont give you that much sustain in lane since youd have to autoattack and push the lane to get health back.

Only thing i can imagine is on some jungler who have a hard time surviving and have high base damage/massive steroids so they dont need the bonus AD/arpen.