Talk:Zac/@comment-26432122-20160325105019/@comment-26203093-20160326004853

An engager is supposed to get in and disrupt or otherwise keep them occupied so his team can get into position safely. When you're saying you want to give him more upfront damage, you're talking about turning him into an assassin. Are you also seriously comparing burst to sion, while intentionally excluding zac's ult and not sion's?

Besides, zac's damage comes from, relatively, low cooldowns.

Sion's cc is channelled, interruptable, otherwise easily avoidable, and since he's dissallowed from auto attacking during his channel, no, his damage is not high. He has his own problems. Isn't even an engager despite his ult because he has to fire his abilities from the sidelines to be effective. Otherwise he's just a damage sponge, which becomes less effective as the game goes on. 2.25 second cc means he's channeled his ability for about as long. If he's been able to do that ,he's fucking earned it. His dps from the ability isn't nearly as high as you make it out to be, though: CD may be low, but you have to add another second for the channel.

Sejuani I find to simply outclass him because her damage is about the same, but CC is plain stronger, and mobility post-engage is more reliable. She doesn't have his sustain, however, so there are certain setups where he's better off, though they're way too rare.