Talk:VPBE/@comment-28256409-20160511064609/@comment-24385282-20160522225329

@Tinhboe: It's pretty fallacious to stop taking someone seriously because you disagree with them on one front, no offense. Here's my reasoning for both, so you can judge those instead of me for supporting builds you don't like:

AP J4 is not overpowered. He does only one thing well, and others do it better - plus, when he does it, it's not as annoying to deal with as when they do. Compare any artillery mage to him. But it's fine, because he's fun to play as, for some. This has been argued before, but I've still yet to see a reason that it's toxic other than "it's a gimmick" and "players will instinctively build armor versus him if he's dealing a lot of damage." I don't know how being a gimmick automatically makes it toxic, and if you face an AP J4 and don't realize that his flag is dealing most of the damage and that it's dealing magic damage, that's on you. It's obvious.

When she builds damage, Shyvana already uses items to deal on-hit magic damage, and her abilities mostly deal magic damage as well. Her damage type is hybrid already, even if she doesn't build AP, so players should already be wary of her magic damage and consider MR anyway. Plus, much of her damage comes from being close to an enemy so she can't poke from afar like J4 or mages.

And finally, both AP J4 and AP Shyv are fun. If you disagree, fine. Just don't play them. But there's no arguing that they're any more unfun to play against than other champions. Fizz does what AP Shyv does far better while being more annoying to deal with, same with Xerath and J4.