Talk:Fiora/@comment-25548760-20150807083703/@comment-25548760-20150807190654

Didn't expect a reply so early, if i've to be honest :)

Sadly the new item are " juggernout " items, where juggernout is the riot's word for " UberTanky Bruiser ". All those UberTanky bruiser are getting reworked in one direction: being a massive wall able to dish out more damage than cc, more focused on zoning than engaging. In order to be massive wall and a threat, they need to have some sort of improvement of their effective HP to sinergize with a "tanky build" delayed by a single offensive item ( i expect on everyone of them BC ). They got at least one from shield, dr reduction skill, free tenacity , free armor / mr. Or, in case of Darius, a massive teamfight presence ( .. after a R kill, he gain like 200 base ad plus every proc of hemorrage set the hemorrage counter to 5, give another instant max damage ulti on the victim ) [ and they said darius will be futher buffer up ]

I even doubt new focus juggernout item will help her. Those item got heavy sinergy with an almost full tank build or innate defensive scaling ( the more armor/mr/hp you get, the more stronger they are, expecially the titanus hydra ). Fiora in my opinion just don't fit this role. A Grand duelist thematically is not supposed to build 4 tank item. Even if her effective health with vital spot proc could be more valuable with a 200 armor / mr champ and 3k hp, if you wanna that kind of champ with that value you got a totally reworked roaster to choose from, definetely not fiora.

New Fiora translate into a "supporting warrior " with a 3 damage item and the usual "randuin + banshe" set up. The real problem is that her basic damage, scaling and reliability of kit is way inferior to other offensive warrior ( to make zoning or assassinating potential reliable ) or sustained damage. Even her utility is inferior: she got poor buff control ( no weak spot abuse ), way more poor wave control and object take down power. Other champion kit help them to mitigate their weakness with passive scaling. Fiora's heavy itemization make her role outshined by other champions more reliable kit. As you told, if her ulti were tuned down we could have again a rebalance on her kit, giving her a less binary gameplay. There no point into a 50% potential max hp true damage.. if that is all what i can do in every scenario ( go in, proc ulti on enemy opener, try to proc vital and heal . Repeat till game end )