Talk:Nocturne/@comment-168.221.143.100-20110615170605/@comment-85.224.64.15-20110709042711

1v1 overextending Veigar against Noct: Noct pops ult when Veigar crosses a ward on his way past the river. Veigar can either enter the brush to juke leaving Noct with the option to waste the ult and approach using his Q or go after someone else. Alternatively, Veigar is not walking close to the brush for fear of lurking enemies, something he SHOULD have looked for using E. Noct jumps to him immediately and deals damage, alternatively he moves in using Q, which in the brush has a marigin of error meaning he may or may not apply the debuff depending on if he hit. Noct can now pop his shield immediately or wait until Veigar casts, in which case a W+ult combo has the ability to oneshot him provided he did not crit on impact. It's pretty much a 50% chance either way, either Veigar gets off with a sliver of health and Noct dies or he manages to kill him, after which he will need to replenish health and will be out while farming or bping.

Noct is a ganker, and he is not OP as he can't initiate against just anyone, he can even be taken down by a squishy as long as he stands his ground, if Veigar tries to run however, he is dead, no doubt about it, Noct will DOT him, and generally kill him around when the fear effect should kick in anyway.