Talk:Zyra/@comment-4664737-20180824022215/@comment-26808509-20180908171823

Well I did a few times on NA boards in the "Gameplay thoughts" threads and on reddit, but it was never noticed by any Rioter and usually downvoted by silver and gold players who were hopping on the Zyra hype train after her rework and claim that she is fine. Can't really argue with that, in low elo she is fine indeed. But then again - what is not viable in low elo.

Same thing with a threat about how Zyra lacks good lore or an actual personality - in lore as in her in game model. Was only downvoted by people who want a sexy character just because sexy, no matter if it makes sense for them to be sexy or not. But whatever.

The only idea I have to make solo lane Zyra possible again and maintaining burst AND dps in her kit is making her item depemdant. You see, the problem with Zyra is that she can burst down squishies without any items. Her base damage is good enough to do that. And because there is that, they can't make her plants more reliable. As I said, she would have both, burst AND dps and that without needing any items. That can't be balanced, as that is too oppressive. Now if you lowered her base damages and gave her better scalings on her spells, she would need items in order to burst someone down. On that way they could make her plants more reliable, as Zyra wouldn't gain dps and burst for free. And to make a dps build viable they could just introduce some kind of attack speed scaling on her plants. That would leave the choice to the player wether he wants to play burst Zyra or DPS Zyra without making either one too weak. You wouldn't be able to do both tho, but that can't be balanced to my mind anyway.

Problem with that is, that it would destroy support Zyra. With changes like that she would be item dependant. Her base damages wouldn't be enough to burst someone down anymore and her CC alone is by far not good enough to make her a good support. That's why I doubt that anything like that will ever happen.