Talk:Veigar/@comment-3165723-20120505030100/@comment-3308937-20120505031743

I'd have to disagree with unstoppable, he has mana issues and he's extremely weak early. He'll win against passive lanes but against someone who can, and will, go for the kill he seems to be lacking. Also, I would say that Brand outdamages Veigar easily just due to the fact he has 3 AoE's compared to one while still having respectable single target damage.

Looking at math, because I love math. Veigar has a total burst of 1080 (+2.8) (+.8 enemy's AP) at lvl 18 with 320 (+1) of it being AoE.

Brand does 1119 damage (+2.45) for once bounce of his ult, 1469 (+2.95) for two, and 1819 (+3.45) for three bounces. 529 (+1.3) of it AoE if you don't count his ult, which deals 1750 (+2.5) overall.