Talk:Shaco/@comment-24458677-20140428171902/@comment-8919271-20140503153513

AP Shaco? Not viable? Sthap.

People don't need to "walk into your boxes", you DO NOT max boxes first and DO NOT count on them being your main source of damage. I mean, you should rely on them, just not too much - you can't really put couple of boxes in one place and pray someone steps into them, that doesn't even work since fear nerfs. You build CDR, you use boxes in-fights and outside in RANDOM places to be an annoyance,  you abuse their fear and spam E all the time. So far usually dealt most damage to champions in the game with this guy~. Heimer doesn't outclass Shaco, because he's not in his class; he has no mobility and no abusive CC. Moreless the same with other champs you've mentioned. That being said, there are things that hard-couter AP Shaco; coordinated teams stacking red trinkets (disables W, reveals you) and teamcomps that do want to resolve teamfights quickly (I usually feel more comfortable when teamfights last longer rather than shorter; more shivs, more boxes)

I'd rather say that nowadays AD Shaco is harder to play, seeing that half of the junglers can just downright murder him, and lanes often are so tanky you can't even touch them.