Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-190.50.214.189-20111008012458/@comment-139.130.57.34-20111009001448

The problem is there's often no need to kill garen in the late-mid and late game. You can kite him during the spin and then just ignore him because his damage is almost non-existant while its on CD. Even if he is spinning you, late game it does almost nothing. If he's going more AD then you can actually kill him fairly easily.Garen is not only weaker than he was during his initial release, but since then there have been many new champions that were introduced that counter tanky dps very well.