Talk:Athene's Unholy Grail/@comment-1902684-20120429013623/@comment-1902684-20120429070704

Yes, I get those, but what I'm saying is, it replaces two items on many of my ap(usually tanky) builds if I started using it. Swain is the most obvious, since on Swain I would take Abyssal and Shurelya's for the mana regen along with some extra survival and some CDR, but since Athena's gives mana regen and CDR it replaces Shurelya's nicely and since it gives MR and AP is also replaces Abyssal nicely. I'm also seeing it maybe replacing Shurelya's in a lot of builds, but then I get a bit to MR heavy on some tanks(like Singed since I get FoN) which makes me wonder what I'd get instead but FoN is so core I can't really see myself dropping Shurelya's for Athena's even though it'd give me more damage and I've never really needed Shurelya's health regen on Singed and I also really could use the speed boost from FoN that dropping it is almost a complete no-no in Singed's case, but like I said, then I get really MR heavy which feels weird even if I'm not trading off much in the name of that extra accidental MR.