Talk:Ardent Censer/@comment-5593561-20140607111358/@comment-6281696-20140608191505

Most of those poke-based rely on either having poke that is near impossible to avoid (Fiddle) effectivly just becomes a unending barrage that will eventually hit & whittle stuff down (Nidalee, Karma) or rell on just being able to basicly instantly kill stuff (Annie)... none of it is exactly supporting... Most of it is also completly and utterly independent from what the ADC does, which rather shows how much it isn't supporting, one of those can easily win a lane on their own, characters like Braum or Leona still need their carries to actually be usefull in order to actually win the lane regardless of how brilliant they are.

And as a support all of that borders on the toxic (I seriously don't get why Riot encourages them so much, especially in a supporting role... their obsession with damage and making plays is getting silly)

Anyway as for this item, yea if you're going to play Nid support it's kind of mandatory and quite good even. Anyway the point was mostly that Nidalee isn't a support, virtually nothing in her kit actually fits the role of support and it only really works because of mechanics and numbers that border on/are toxic when used as a support.