Talk:Fizz/@comment-25172943-20140722155813/@comment-5211662-20140727032650

not true at all. Fizz may lose the lane but one of the things I see the most on battles, are Fizz that lose the lane but later recover themselves, and carry and win the game

And he has good teamfight presence, especially if you go AD. He still as a lot of presence as AP, however, seeing how he can usually insta-delete a squishy champion.