Talk:VPBE/@comment-8802138-20140308102858/@comment-3974211-20140308190542

If minions are included in his ultimate, then he only needs to hit 2 secondary enemies for his new ultimate to do the same damage - which is easiest enough to do even early game. I seriously reckon that it'll be champion-only though. Having it include minions just has too much potential to be abused.

Tempest's damage is similar to his Q - not really any difference when you take into account the base AD. Since his skills all scale with total AD, their damage goes up every level even if you don't rank them - so if you level-up Tempest last, it's damage will still improve each time you level-up (because of the base AD). The only change that's difficult to measure is the fact Tempest now does physical damage. It's a good for late-game armor pen - but mixed damage is usually strong early game, so that will probably be a nerf.