Talk:Ryze/@comment-3182937-20101105025145/@comment-139.130.1.226-20101121224441

Superior in what regards? In beating other Ryzes, yeah ofc, veigar is still considered an anti-AP carry carry. In terms of support? Yeah, his stun has massive utility if placed correctly. In terms of overall damage output? No. Ryze is far better at AOEing down an entire team. A fed ryze will literally kill about 3-4 chamions in a team fight just from button smashing. A fed veigar, will at most stun 3-4 people, possibly meteor them down to about half health and then he chooses one of them to q and ult. His team will usually be the ones who have to kill the rest. Which isn't to say that isn't fantastic, but he isn't superior to Ryze for damage output in a team fight.