Talk:Graves/@comment-5955640-20151112064643

Holy hell. His AS is so LOW! I thought the short range would hurt but no. The AS being low is the real ball buster and with good reason. The buck shot hurts a whole lot more and I find it actually sustains better than most auto attacks although that could be become of my setup having both Vampirism and Runic Shield.

Graves is so much fun to play now. I will try to figure out how to play him bottom. My general stratagy is probably going to be an offshoot longer range harasser with utility to make up for it. I might not even use a marksmen and I may employ just general zoning champs like Heimerdinger to push people away. Looking at how his new Q functions the Kalista Graves trick won't work because it will require a lot of positioning to make a quick detonation of the opponent which is the only way it's secondary damage will land.

I think Kindred might be good. Teemo could be helpful. and Nidalee is actually an okay choice but Nunu might be better as the certaintity of taking a snowball keeps people away and he offers the same AS buff which can be for free if Nunu takes the time to stack his passive.

Graves old trick of all in to deal a huge burst of damage might be behind us though. I think it's more about a sustained fight where you dash often and auto as many times as possible and them Q and ult them as they run.

I don't see jungling as a bad choice to be honest. Can't say the same about top actually. His AS is so low that it won't be offensive enough to push back some of the most dangerous top laners and if the top laner is also ranged you're in trouble.