Talk:Luden's Echo/@comment-4068613-20150310131115/@comment-5955640-20150311180420

Or the opponent is really bad. AP pen Garen is a thing though given how the ult works but again.

These are like actual troll builds. Not alternative builds that have a hidden power or workability. Just Troll builds. Might as well use that one website with the randomizer that sets you up with random items to build in a match.