Talk:Elise/@comment-26808509-20180327212539/@comment-24082086-20180329025157

I have to admit that Elise's Q never does anymore damage. You use it on a champ or a jungle monster and it never feels like a satisfactory spell to use because of its super low damage, super high mana cost, super long cast time and overall kinda short range. The only reason I max Q over w is for her Venomous Bite only in her Spider Form otherwise, I'd max my w.

Honestly, even with the buffs, Elise just isn't that champion anymore. She isn't good. She is no way near good infact. They stripped her kit entirely and now the only people who play her in ranked are mainly elise mains and even so - her winrrate is so low which is surprising - but not surprising because of how much of a bad state she is in right now.

Literally so many other junglers are better than her. I mean what's the point of decreasing the early cooldown of her e, it's not youre going to use coocoon twice at the lvl 3 or something because it costs so much and does no damage - and you wont even last that long.

The only way to go now is to buff Elise more or to remove her Q ability entirely and rework because it doesnt fit her theme at all and it's super boring and basic.