Talk:Warwick/@comment-11138826-20130824182939/@comment-7846894-20130906172559

^Armor pen in the jungle isn't bad since Jungle creeps have like no mr anyways. Also, Bortk gives better sticking power and is better for ganking and objective control like Dragon or Baron. And goes better with FM since you have ARM pen, but you don't need it, unlike if you go Wits, where you'll need FM for sticking power which in total will net you 5700g. Ww doesn't farm well, he's single target so it takes him a while to clear camps, also he's always wanting stats, sure he's does extremely well with the gold he has, and double, and sometimes triple dips out of items. But he doesn't just get the gold out of no where. Cost efficiency isn't a comparison to actual costs. He's always starved for a stats though, he has cd and hp? Needs mana and tankiness. Has Cd, tankiness and mana? Needs hp and or Damage. He NEEDS and WANTS so much, the jungle doesn't give it all to him. And while Wriggles is good on him, it doesn't mean it's good. Wriggles at the moment is in a pretty sad state compared to the Spirit items. It doesn't transfer to late game as well as them and loses it's slot efficiency pretty fast. You fling around fling around 11800g like you get it at the start of the game. Also, you argue that if you lose as WW you're bad, why isn't he seen in the pro scene then? If the game only revolved around skill then that's where this conversation should be headed. He can be kited so badly it's sad. And if the team you're facing has no Cc dedicated to peeling WW THEN THEY'RE BAD, that doesn't make you good. That's like saying, I took candy from a baby, I'M PRO AS FK. You say they'll give him damage, when that's not only is he one of the best duelers in the game, he has high base damages. He needs more cc, they'll probably remove damage. I'd like to ask, what division are you in, since he's so good and probably carried you right?