Talk:Cho'Gath/@comment-26162917-20151218204338/@comment-26162917-20151224214139

It's not really all that different.

It's not like Veigar has any mobility, and for CC he has only one spell, which is not really the easiest spell to land on enemies either. Meanwhile Cho has quite a bit more CC than Veigar, so even if neither of them are mobile champions, Veigar is still outclassed on the CC department.

And as I stated earlier, Cho instead of stacking AP, can stack HP. It's not really a fair "reason" for Veigar's W being weaker than Cho's Q, since while Veigar can eventually deal more damage, Cho can also sustain more damage.

Okay, Cho's Q has a castime of ~0,8 sec, so let's see:

Rupture: 0,625 + ~0,8 = ~1,425 sec

Dark Matter: 1,25 sec

But Rupture still outclasses Dark Matter on damage (base damage, to be more specific), range, AOE radious, and CC. And that is IF the cast time is as much as 0,8 sec.

And, please, don't compare it to Darius' damage, since Cho actually has range, more specifically the spell that I'm talking about: Q - Rupture. Range + Damage, on a champion that's capable of soaking quite a bit of damage. Darius has to actually get close to do anything at all, to be able to land the little CC he has, to be able to deal damage, and to be able to stack his passive, which he actually needs in order to deal any devestating damage with his ult (something that Cho's ult doesn't require).

Now back to my problem. Usually when a champion is tanky or has high base damage, the scaling will be weaker.

This isn't true with Cho, though. His spell has high range. It has AOE. It has a whopping 305 base damage. And another whopping 100% AP scale on it. And it also has pretty hard CC on it, with the initial knockup and the followup slow.

I can't be the only one that thinks the spell is too strong at it's current state on the said role, be it a full tank or a bruiser.

As I suggested earlier: Nerf the damage, buff the AOE radious. It would fit his role better.