Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-165.130.136.210-20110605045401/@comment-99.240.60.236-20110607002155

Despite the fact the Gunblade is bought for spellvamp, you can't ignore that there is a significant amount of AP on that is useless to Garen, that you pay a lot of gold for.

Garen does not do the assasin role very well, either. He has no instant gap-closer or may utilize range like other champions that people tend to use as assasins. You can blink, and he won't be in range to kill a carry by then. His only method is his movement speed - even with Decisive Strike, its not fast enough to do that (and even if it was, it would be unreliable as good players can target pretty fast...), even his Courage ability with these items won't give him enough survivability to actually get in range to an enemy carry, and while the attack speed is admittedly a minor part of the Trinity Force as it is an item with many minors stats, but Garen still doesn't use it very well and won't be able to use its unique passives very well as he spends 3 seconds not autoattacking with Judgement to proc the slow and his cooldowns are too long to use the extra damage proc very well...in addition to being unable to use the mana and ability power it gives.

Really, Garen can't do the assasin role late-game, ever. When people are near da bushes laning and maybe a lane partner's CC, sure, he can kill em' fast and good. As the game goes on, natural armour and health scaling along with a single armor and magic resistance item makes his damage plummet...if he ever gets in range to a squishy since most mages are easily capable of firing off all their abilities before Garen gets in range, and building him squishy makes him vulnerable to being focused, even if the team's tank initiates very well. But since everyone does well when their team's tank initiates, why not get an assasin that does the assasinating well even when that doesn't happen? Or really, just does it better when it does anyway.

You say that most champions can't use all aspects of the Trinity Force, but you are incorrect. Blitzcrank, Trundle, Udyr and Nasus don't use the ability power of it strongly, but they still can, and may use every other stat it gives, and use its passives well as they autoattack plenty and have low cooldown abilities that can activate the extra damage on the next hit often. There's probably more champions that have a fair case to using it, but these are fighters that use Trinity Force waaaayyyyy better than Garen ever could, and there's other items Garen should pick up instead.