Talk:Ashe/@comment-16940040-20140826005559/@comment-3017217-20140830173546

I consider Ashe quite hard but it is similar to Vayne due to being the Champions with the most Attack Speed at lvl 18

Whenever I want Vayne I ban asap Nunu whenever I want Ashe I ban Rammus or reversely when the oponent team picks them I always go support with either of those 2

Vayne's bane is Nunu&His 2 skills and Randuin's Omen

likewise

Ashe's bane is Rammus his W and E(aka taunt) and Thornmail

They are almost uncounterable besides those situations and if they are even Remotely good they WILL force all 5 of the oponents to get this 2 Items and for this they should be as hard as they are.

I hate Marksmen they are freakishly hard and that's why I have so few Ashe Vayne Tristana(who I played only once or twice and never on rankeds) Caitlyn with her range

Ashe and Vayne the hardest Champs of the hardest Class

4 even less than the 6 Mages I own Akali Ryze Vladimir Annie Cassioppeia Nidalee