Talk:Karma/@comment-14081808-20150529015217/@comment-1330314-20150529134757

Throwing vitriol at one another is not going to help discussion. Karma's a passionate subject for a lot of us, whether we're fans of Old Karma or New Karma, but I think it's possible to share our opinions in a friendly and constructive exchange, or at least with some level of politeness.

As both a fan of New Karma and someone who tested her changes pretty extensively on the PBE, I think these changes are pretty large buffs. Even without the Mantra refresh on RE, Karma's going to have massively more uptime on her ult, and despite the loss of damage on RE and RW, the additional scaling on her W means her primary damage combo (W + RQ) deals significantly more damage, and she'll have more widely available damage overall. The more tailored effects on RE and RW also means there would be a much better incentive to use them (Renewal provides some of the best crowd control in the game, Defiance is and 's actives combined), especially since until now RQ was the only ability being used (a lot of power in the other Mantra effects was being sunk into damage, which Soulflare does a lot better). Sure, Karma almost completely loses the duality she had in her original Mantra, but I think that theme just made her abilities both confusing and unsatisfying. In the end, though, Karma's a champion with fantastic damage on top of amazing utility, able to go on the offensive and protect her allies at the same time. Her Mantra may not be explicitly dualistic, but duality is still central to her playstyle and is what makes her stand out, more so now than ever before.