Talk:Nidalee/@comment-20434720-20140321235629/@comment-20434720-20140323215541

Except Elise's spider form abilities have one that does, to a person with 3k missing HP (best case scenario), exactly 460 damage before resistances. That is the only flat-out damaging ability in Elise's spider form. The rest is all utility. Nidalee's ultimate gives her unlimited non-situational mobility on a very low cooldown, compared to Elise's high-cooldown situational Rappel (Nidalee's does damage also), and an AOE nuke instead of attackspeed/sustain (if you'll recall, Nidalee has a human form ability that gives attackspeed/sustain, and Elise has a human form AOE nuke.) Elise's ultimate gives less damage than Nidalee's in a best-case scenario and worse mobility, with the exception here being some minor sustain/attackspeed that you could swap with one of Nidalee's human abilities anyway. Hardly heart-attack inducing.

I would consider a low-cooldown dash to be survivability, but if you're talking about brawling power, then no, it definitely doesn't provide that kind of survivability. But I'm not necessarily comparing Nidalee to top-lane-style brawlers, i'm comparing her to classic AP mid laners. It's not the most relevant scenario, but AP nidalee mid in a 1v1 against any other mid has some serious advantages largely stemming from that ult. It gives a lot of reliable, impossible-to-miss (or severely difficult) damage that makes for excellent waveclear, plus the amount of DPS nidalee can achieve in cougar form when building CDR (every nidalee) is significant.

On a side note, what would you think about changing Nidalee's Q to work more like Vlad/Yasuo's E? Where the base damage scales with the given condition, but not the scaling?