Talk:VPBE/@comment-24795478-20150317091546/@comment-24795478-20150318034310

Well the number has been tweaked since last time i log in. But anyway, it was the early game frustatingly high damage Q that make ryze got nerf in the first place. 40 damage nerf at late game is not as much severe as 20 damage nerf at early game, especially at lvl 1 where he can harass to ensure a balance trade between him and enemy at lvl 2, because he doesnt get a lvl2 power spike like other melee laner, ie maokai or renekton. I dont know why he was ever viable top lane but IMO it's due to that lvl 1 60 damage Q. Without it and with the rise of stronger 1v1 and 5v5 toplaners like rumble or liss, It's high chance that who dare to pick him will lose, hence the 44% winrate ( still higher that kass, even after the buff )

It's more likely that the nerf to keep him from being picked as Empty said, as he doesnt offer as many " LCS high light 5 man frozen tomb" or " high light 5 man insec kick followed by yasuo last breath " as others.