Talk:VPBE/@comment-4270771-20150808102332/@comment-15667791-20150808224735

Those numbers NeonSpotlight gave don't mesh with me, particularly new Thornmail crit numbers (No idea why crits on those aren't 250% of regular hits), but also because it seems no one knows what "pre-mitigation" means. Old Thornmail was pre-mitigation, meaning damage was based on what was dealt prior to armor. New Thornmail, on the other hand, is after armor. So, dealing with 300 bonus armor on top of around 100 base armor, Old Thornmail dealt 30% of their total damage back, and New Thornmail is 90% of damage reduced to 100/500 of initial amount already, or 18% damage. 400 bonus armor makes that 115% of 100/600, or 19.16%. Assuming this is all right, you can never reach the old damage.