Talk:Kayle/@comment-25447003-20150519043657

Somebody says Kayle's passive is hidden power, and her ulti is best anti-burst skill. So she's a half-support and should not have big damage.

Well, for the damage part I can point out a champion who is "half-sp" (cuz she has a heal - like Kayle - on 12s CD), but she has skill which can deal damage +250% AD pre-6, and als also has skill +120% AP pre-6 (i.e. non ultimate skill). Like a free Trinity procs AND a free Lich Bane procs, but not afraid of Thornmail because it's magic damage.

Kayle's R is quite good, but the CD nerf is really hard, therefore she will be vulnerable to short CD ultimate like LeBlanc, Akali, Lux, Kata, Talon, Diana, ChoGath, ... even a Tryndamere can outplay Kayle's defense ulti with his defense ulti.

And for the "hidden power" passive, I can point out a champion who has:

+ Good passive: has damage, slow, MS boost, also applied spell effects & spell vamps; scale with AS (and abilities used so CDR may help).

+ His ulti is a good defense skill which may be a better anti-burst (among Kayle's Lulu's Zilean's Maokai's Swain's) - can instantly heal full dmg received at about 200 AP (and overheal at more AP numbers). Well, it is even a AoE damage burst: up to 500 (+ 130% AP)  magic dmg to surrounding enemies

+ He has even more utilies along with dmg even a "real sp" dream about: long range pokes, dashes/blinks, slow effect, stun, shield, on-hit passive dmg, percentage-based damage, global range ulti, enhanced AA which can procs both on-hit and spell effects, ...

Okay, I gave up on QQ about Fizz and Nidalee as they got nerfed a little, but for this new champ it's like Diana and Nasus combined, and disregard the Riot's BS about "too many utilities to have dmg".