Talk:Swain/@comment-1920550-20190627134706/@comment-4091261-20190627233052

That's a huge chunk of gone from his ult. Base damage does ramp up even higher in the late game though, not even with the infinite stacks but the per rank stats.

Piercing on seems legit. They didn't say that they removed the bonus damage on multiple bolts so the burst damage might actually be more convenient despite the range.

Imo, all these changes pretty much helps make a lot of sense on him. He's becoming more late game oriented and the removed refund will mean he needs to sustain it by other means. Getting skewed toward base magic damage over ratios will make  and  more important than ever before. So build wise, it's sound.

Gameplay wise, he'll have to change up his game quite a bit. Especially early game. Walking forward 100 units closer is a big deal when you have to potentially face champions with 1000+ range. Even so, I don't think it's significant enough to force him to change his item build. It might actually be easier to deal with assassins due to the piercing on. He can more readily farm + harass simultaneously.