Talk:Lissandra/@comment-9008617-20130503213021/@comment-9008617-20130504064421

@princess: When Q hits, it shatters and travels additional distance. Eyeballing it, it appears the total range to be nearly the same distance as Ezreal's Q which is about 1100 give or take if Liss' Q starts from her champ's core or exterior. Maybe instead of coming up with something unoriginal as "you've clearly never played the new champ that's found in pretty much every single game for the past few days" you could've contributed something useful to this conversation. But no.

@XWings: Her damage does not come from being "all in". Her snare/root is short, yes, and primarily used to either stop pursuers or stop what you're pursuing if you can cut them off. Besides her snare/root though, her skills actually have decent range. Yes, her Q is only 725 range but that's greater range than most ADC AA range and all of Annie's spells AND if it does hit something it shatters travelling an additional amount albeit not slowing the rest. Liss' E has huge range and even if it's a very telegraphed move it does unmitigated AoE damage and gives Liss a lot of mobility over most mages and champs especially with CDR gear/runes. Definitely not as great as Ezreal's arcane shift but Ezreal doesn't have 3 CC's either nor can his arcane shift used to clear mobs or specifically target as easily.

Ults are suppose to be balanced too. Amazing and maybe even character defining... but definitely balanced. My main argument, however, is that Liss has too much CC and her kit is OP as heck. Who else has 3 forms of CC, a gap closer/flash, invulnerability, and can do so much damage?

Malphite, although a tank, has 3 CCs (aspd debuff, slow, knockup) but he does rather poor damage-wise. Lulu has 3 CCs (poly, slow, arguably wild growth slow aoe) but lacks Liss' mob clearing, flash, and arguably diversity of CC (2 slows). Thresh has a hook and 2 slows. Nautilus is probably the best CC (hook, slow, knockup) but clearly still lacks.

I've killed my fair share of Liss' this week to last me a lifetime but I feel that her kit is still OP as heck. Will it be nerfed anytime soon? I doubt it, if anything, Riot will buff it to increase sales.