Talk:Sejuani/@comment-5077844-20130421194153/@comment-6170572-20130424034450

@ Mr. Tubblesworth

While I agree with you on her W being significantly nerfed from a mathematical perspective, I disagree on your analysis of the nerfs. It is not as bad as you think, and she has been much improved in other areas.

1: That build you have listed (Warmogs and  Liandry's and Spirit Visage and Sunfire) is impractical and often unachievable on a jungler's budget. If you somehow manage to find this much gold, I wonder why the pros don't.

2: Perfectly managing your positioning and Frost debuff on the entire opposing team while not being locked down or zoned out by the enemy team for six uninterrupted seconds is close to impossible. Unless you are monstrously fed, wading into a team like this is a sure way to get yourself killed.

3: Because the new W has an upfront portion and a shorter duration, it means the damage is more concentrated. This will allow you to contribute more without constantly putting yourself in danger. Because it is now an AA reset, it will also help in those crucial early jungle clears.

4: Her Q has been buffed to incredible proportions - they have outright added a non-ultimate hard cc into her kit, and given it max HP % damage. I would surely take this any day over an unreliably damaging, self-endangering ability.

Also, 312 is not less than 35% of 754, it is more than 41% of it. This does not even factor in base damages, or her other abilities. I realize you have said you do not want to mathcraft a lot, but I'm unsure you used a calculater at certain points.

While I respect your right to the opinion that she has been nerfed, do not try to use impractical examples and flawed math to do so. I play Sejuani, and I am ecstatic about the changes made to deal with the mechanical issues that should not have existed in the first place.