Talk:Skarner/@comment-31543294-20181018120846/@comment-28977071-20181126072152

Ye, a good objection I really forgot to consider counter-jungling. Obviously it's been a long time since I last played as this guy-_- Still, not that easy to persuade enemies to fight within his preferred ground.

As for my underrating of the dmg, it was a reaction to Shadowblobss's post where (s)he made the comparison with s. An ordinary does not build into a  at all, nor makes it consequently any sense to do such comparisons. He's classified as a, he was a before, and in both cases dmg is no longer something ignorable.

I was fitting him into the proposed role and there's no space for, his staple item, on him in such a role. At that point I consider a champ's build to be that of a bruiser, or even of another more dmg-oriented role.

Even though the OP.GG statistics do not reflect this, I was playing a  as a guy who replaces his  with  and takes only (or at least semi-) def items otherwise. It makes up for the missing and scales nicely with defense stacking (more specifically ). Moreover, is really better for s, but if he's playing the sturdier roles, he does not need its single-target focus. actually equals to it in dmg output, once one fights in 1vs2, and even surpasses it (tx to dmg) in a general 1vsN. Which is a common scenario for s/bulks.

As for the underuse of, the statistics clearly say that it's indeed picked rarely, but performing excellently on him. My guess is that CDR is the reason why ppl tend to avoid it. They prefer to rush squishy for early 10% CDR and  as their 3rd offensive item instead of, to get another 10% CDR. Then there's ofc the staple purchase of, for final 20%. This makes CDR from go over the cap and redundant.

Therefore, imo a questionable early decision-making further leading to a later situation that restricts good decisions even more. Clearly way too many non-def items imho. Personally I don't like on him,  just sound more appealing to me.

But once again, I don't main him. I do like CDR a lot and in general, but giving up on both n, then picking even two more offensive items, sounds to me like a bit of overpush. Even for a, imho.