Talk:Zilean/@comment-5955640-20150511034004/@comment-5955640-20150511232812

How about for fun you'd name some ideas for time based abilities that one can have if themed around time and make abolustely sure there isn't overlap.

Zilean still has a useless spell and a useless passive. Rewind while nice is still just a passive spell that he has to manually activate just to use other spells so it's a busy work spell and it doesn't even interact with his ult now so it's more useless than before.

His passive said time and time again only gives you a slight leg up if you are around him and for himself. Not only does this not come into play as experience doesn't equal gold and Zilean doesn't have extremely powerful scalings and even if it does help in some real way it's insivible power which is declared bad design I mean.

His only attack spell got buffed when it lands. Which it doesn't always do this allows counter play but now Zilean has an unreliable damage spell which is still his only damage spell. Zilean is awful at the time theme and yet he offerings most of what you'd associate time travel with.

Time related mulligan that gives you a second shot at living. Warping time and space to make someone faster or slower, rewinding time (although given how it takes things off cooldown which makes the counter go forwards rather than backwards isn't it a fast forward?), a time related weapon (other than being a bomb on a timer I don't know how it hurts people with time). and his passive which makes time go faster mentally as to allow the gaining of experience.

Dealing with time purely is basically that. With Ekko maybe we'll see some sort of melee based combat with time like something out of prince of persia sands of time but I don't know how that would work in a game like this that entire game was based around that mechanic. Devoted to the many ways you can use time. But that's not what this game can do.

Even now stuff with fire, just sets people on fire. And when was the last time we had a champ that set people on fire? The last Ice champ was Braum and his kit wasn't about ice it was about blocking stuff a fairly new mechanic and gameplay style.

I'm pretty sure unless somehow Ekko's kit has a grevious mistake in it's design he will overshadow Zilean as a time realted champ. Zilean mains will still play Zilean of course but when people want to do time stuff they'll probably play Ekko and that's due to how weak Zilean is to play as opposed to how strong Ekko will be.