Talk:Rengar/@comment-5209745-20140814234332/@comment-25055281-20140901134053

I've just recently bought Rengar (I tried him sometime ago, I liked him but was not a priority atm) and was doing a bit of research when I found this discusion...quite interesting and ilustrating. I'd like to point a couple of things I found remarcable, just don't take it as actuall criticism, just curiosity and keep in mind I don't question anobody's actuall skill (would be extremly preposterous of me in my opinion)

1) Schteltzer apparently deffends a frontloaded arpen damage build, but still at some point argues that the Triforce proc is enought compared to the somewhat bigger on hit from BotRK.

Surprisingly those are very simmilar items in terms of what they offer when you think about it. BotRK looks somewhat more efficient in terms of gold and versatility

2) Myself v1.0 makes some calculations on how much health needs to have a target for BotRK to do damage close to that of BT and comes out with 700. But empowered Q does 150% AD...my numbers raise it to about 1000 health and if you proc the on hit 2-3 times this means you'll need a target with more than that to compensate the fact that the last proc will be below (a bit hard to asses, due to 2nd Q and autos doing 120-100% AD +10% AD bonus from 1st Q)

With the attack speed and active, I'd say BotRK is still better. BT may work if you rush it against a squishy team in a short game, but then, Hydra looks better for burst and kind of scales better into teamfights.

3) Some people seem to use the term Tankgard for any build with defensive items...1-2 deffensive items hardly qualify for a bruisher. I wholeheathedly agree with the idea that pro builds are not neccesarily fit for everyone or every situation, but with the "enought damage" idea in mind I'd like to note that LCS players seem able to cram Randuin and Malmortius in every AD assassin build and still be effective.

4) On the math efficiency for arpen staking, Youmuu alone is not considered good lategame, but it improves in efficiency when paired with a % item, while coupling two % items is less efficient...but BC has flat arpen too, so staking the 3 of them is not like staking them in pairs, the 30 flat is much better with that rougly 50%.

5) Finally, Myself v1.0 I like your early build, may be with a couple changes: Tabi+BC+Hydra+BotRK+SV+Youmuu (may try this, the discusion has been quite a good read for me)

Thanks everibody