Talk:Vayne/@comment-22964237-20131208181408/@comment-5057599-20131211152521

@LCSunderpowered I disagree. Fizz or Ahri were champions who didn't need any skillshots to pop Vayne under one second after their first or second major item (Fizz was/is particulary dumb in this regard). Zed can be outplayed if and only if you could land Condemn OR if you have QSS. If he managed to dodge Condemn with ult or if you failed the stun might as well sit back and not click anything else because he's the only assassin who also builds BotRK, which interestingly enough is the only good counter to another BotRK.

Other carries have range advantage, which forces the assassins to get deeper behind the frontline or instant escapes/CC to reposition or stop the assassin after he uses his (first?) gapcloser.

Vayne was strong in a metagame where everyone and their mothers had over 3k hp and relied on AoE and skillshots to control the flow of fights while strong assassins were disabled in champ select through bans. She is NOT strong in a metagame where a team has two damage dealers in bot lane and spends at least 20 minutes in splitpushing with impunity.