Talk:Nidalee/@comment-4881935-20131203014040

Let me say something to all you people who uses the word 'toxic' so freely. is not TOXIC

It may be super super annoying to play against, but it's not a toxic design. It's only super super annoying to play because of it's low cooldown and high damage potential. Something like this is just very powerful. You can convert any ability to like this is you just buff up the numbers.

A toxic design (the way Riot refers to it) is something that offers extreme low forms of counter-play. And by counter-play I mean, options to minimized it's damage or retaliate and there are those options. It can be blocked, it can only hit one target, and it's not super fast (granted, still have good speed in my opinion). Lastly, it only does it's most damage at it's peak range, which in theory should mean the opponent should have the most time to attempt to avoid it. These are all valid points and all easy possible forms of counter-play to it.

But before you think I'm here to just say her Q is fine, I actually hate it. It's annoyance comes from the fact that it doesn't feel great dodging the spear because of it's low cooldown. Being chucked by this spear every 5~4 seconds is not fun to play against, and it doesn't really matter how many you dodge because getting hit by just one is devastating. And those are the issue with it. It gives way too much reward for how tiny risk that involved.

TL;DR - mechanic is not toxic. It gaining power the further it travels is not a toxic gameplay design and is perfectly acceptable (with balanced numbers). Most people who complains about this is because it comes out too often and/or damage way too much.

Also, obviously, if her Q was to be nerfed from being a strong poke, she would need a buff somewhere else.