Talk:Renekton/@comment-70.53.72.32-20120320025838/@comment-50.103.5.185-20120321225420

"dont come with something like the game is not 1v1 oriented"

Yes, lets not let pesky facts get in the way of your argument. Bury your head in the sand, plug your ears, and deny it all you want, but if you do so, don't make an argument. You can't just start an argument with contradictory claims like "THIS IS NOT A TEAM GAME. THIS IS NOT 1Vs1" when it most definitely is.

Work around problematic facts; don't ignore them. Good argumentation attempts to address these rather than ignoring them because they can't be bothered to refute them. You can't idealize every scenario.

So ignoring that...

Renekton is weak in specific 1Vs1 fights? Obviously this means he has no GOOD match ups, and is UP, and useless! This is tunnel-vision, poor logic, and the basis for a LOT of scrub arguments about balance. Now, I do agree with your end assessment; just not how you arrived there.

Every champ has bad matchups. Even "broken" champs like Irelia and Gangplank. Given the context of solo-top, yeah. Renekton is not a good pick vs them. Solo-top is generally one of the hardest positions to fill on a roster, because the cycle of counter-picks is pretty harsh. You have to worry about numerous potential counters from solo-top, jungle, AND possibly bottom in a few special cases (before Karthus went pure-mid, he could do solo top, and Soraka was a hard counter to him even played as a support).

And in that, I actually agree that Renekton is lacking. But not because he's "UP"; because that assumes he's UP for ALL sensible contexts you can put him in. But because he has more poor matchups in competition with solo-toppers and junglers than he used to, and he's an early-game champ.

The better strategy is to nerf the offending champs rather than buffing him, if they really are OP, because I've seen, and played with runaway Renektons before; moreso than any champ I know, Renekton scales up quickly when fed (but hits effective his cap earlier than most champs), and unlike most burst-assassins who get fed in a similar manner, he can actually push lanes quickly, and indefinitely.

His scaling behaves like Scrub-build Stack Item Akali, only with much less squishiness. So any buffs to him must ensure that he won't run out of control if fed early. They have to be late-game buffs. Things like True Damage, or %Armor Break passive off of his ultimate.