Talk:Garen/@comment-96.241.114.20-20120806175633/@comment-4929329-20120807062230

Manaless? Do you mean a champ without any resource or a champ without mana?

Garen is the victim of the older days, when trolling was acceptable. Trolls really liked Garen so they played him a certain way and people followed them. Thus nobody seems to understand Garen.

His passive is actually UP if you are fighting a smart enemy. It forces you to miss out on creeps if you want to heal up. Trolls hid in bushes healing all the time because if you facecheck, Silence + MS is better than a gapcloser like Irelia has, so you could just get kills from people walking into bushes and getting hit hard. No gap to close if you walk into his face, so don't check the bushes. Ever.

People say he falls off because positioning yourself can be difficult later in the game if you don't know that Garen can't initiate, and thus waiting for a fight to break out and use Q + E to reach a target works most of the time. If not, kill their friends. Garen does say "the best way to kill a man is to slice throughthe person standing next to them".