Talk:Lucian/@comment-10477394-20150419163247/@comment-10477394-20150420193715

@MakoShiruba

Good joke. Unfortunately data supports my point, and absolutely nothing supports yours. The current Lucian is objectively worse than Graves has ever been. Graves has a consistent 4-5% winrate on him.

Graves has equal/better mobility, higher long term DPS, better burst, AoE capacity, and longer range while being tankier.

Looking at your post history you're likely a troll with something against Lucian though, so you play devil's advocate to make sure he remains garbage tier.