Talk:Draven/@comment-5296074-20120715211348/@comment-193.200.175.68-20120730144150

i appreciate all these example/math thing but in practice its like that

im vayne with full stacked bt, i go against any tank with thornmail, pop up my ult and with tumble have no problems staying alive

btw your trynda build sucks cause no LW with that amount of armour on ali, no wonder he lose, if he had LW - tryn win no problem

i dont know why you need 3 PD and IE cause tryn already has great amount of crit chance

counter to FH is NOT more attack speed, but more dmg

building attack speed with no armpen/armreduc while your enemy has so much armor is really stupid, no wonder trynda lose, he deserves it with this build

give trynda LW instead of one PD and maw of malmortius instead of another PD

since thornmail return magic dmg: maw will defend trynda from it + its passive works best with his ult cause it gives +1 attack dmg for ev ery 2.5% health missing. as you know trynda can have no hp but still hit his enemy

and LW will deal with that chunk of armour you have

ofc trynda and every other carry will receive more dmg with no armpen/armreduc in that situation, cause as you said thornmail returns dmg before any reduction

still bold BT > bold TM