Talk:Ryze/@comment-3182937-20101105025145/@comment-92.90.17.1-20101125154331

Veigar is definitely better cofronted to a ryse, if you know how to use you're stun, in mid and late game ryse will just get OS. I like both this charac, each have their pro and their con. The main con of ryse is his absence of stun, and the ultra short range of his spell. Veigar can at least stun from a very long range, nuke on person while hiding behing his cage, and then back behind the fight vaiting for his spell.

But the aoe of ryse make him a truly dangerous champion, when i play VS him i silence/stun him at the second he approach to kill him before he can do anything.

A good ryse must play with flash, a good veigar must play with ghost. Ryse dive into the battle, veigar is definitely a carry carach you stun nuke and then back a little.