Talk:Veigar/@comment-5494818-20130710095239/@comment-10198490-20130807113958

AP hypercarry for you. He's got a W that usually won't hit anything unless you land a stun cage on them (which is a great CC/initiation btw). His ult is amazing but it's a single target nuke, and his Q is a short CD single target spell. So, little AoE besides E-W combo, and lacking early game. In short, see Veigar, shut him down early game, proceed to win before 35mins.