Talk:Shaco/@comment-4012115-20120109163527/@comment-78.3.10.163-20120110134422

How are you supposed to counter-jungle someone whose W is more or less a ward with 16 seconds cd, whose Q is a flash on steroids with 11 seconds cd and is far from weak early game? Also killing smaller camps as a mean of counter-jungling was killed by the jungle remake. This part about not needing wards, while technically true is also bullshit. Top and bot have depending on which side you are on 3-4 bushes in which he can hide, mid has 2; I don't know about you but I'm not capable of keeping an eye on 4 bushes, minimap and my lane opponent while at the same time last hit, harass and avoid harassment.