Talk:Udyr/@comment-7273169-20130901085405/@comment-5489694-20130908110456

How much armor do people generally have at lvl 9? Tanks and bruisers will generally be around 115 armor. Most 'carries' have less than 60 armor and supports usually have ~70; I'm going to guess that at lvl 18 carries and supports are generally around 90 armor and 42+ mr and mr is more likely to be increased further because of Aegis and item options.

There's only 1 armor item that is a convenient purchase on 'carries' and that's Zhonya's. The only 2 mr items that don't increase your dps along w/providing mr are BV and SV, mr itemization is far better than armor so people will actually have more mr than armor end game even w/their armor per lvl.

If armor does become an issue TBC or LW can easily replace Wriggle's w/o hurting your survivability at all. People's reasoning behind why Tiger is "bad" makes absolutely no sense to me. It just sounds like a rumor that kept circulating around the community or something.

@Gg'd When I play Tiger Udyr I run arm pen reds, arm pen quints, flat armor yellows and flat mr blues. I switch and mix flat ad and arm pen reds/quints depending on what I plan on building in the game. I use 0/21/9 when I use all armor pen runes or 9/21/0 when I use any other combination. I use 21/9/0 with lifesteal quints and ad reds if I lane or jungle w/a doran's blade start.