Talk:Graves/@comment-24086627-20131130045442/@comment-24770471-20140403154617

If we're talking adc counters, which we are, Oda is sorta wrong. There isnt another adc that bursts as hard as Graves does, however, there are long range ones that can poke him either out of lane or to death like Caitlyn or Ezreal. Vayne isn't very viable against Graves because in most cases he would destroy her so much early game that she doesnt reach hyper carry level.