Talk:Gragas/@comment-66.191.11.88-20130112184606/@comment-15562896-20130112221442

His Q dmg falls off pretty badly after midgame if you're not incredibly fed (it barely scratches semi tanky champions), and initiating with his ult often requires you to E in before - so you can knock people back in your team - for which you can get punished.

He has strengths but he also has weaknesses and I think he's pretty weak now. His poke is OK, but many champions have better pokes. He has good burst, but many champions have better and more reliable burst.

His main weaknesses are his Q cd which is very long, his E which requires him to get in your face which is almost impossible in teamfights, and his ult's cd has been nerfed pretty badly (pre nerf, his short cd ult would allow you to gank sidelanes very well almost constantly). Also the manacost nerf on his E was pretty harsh imo.