Talk:Rammus/@comment-26837195-20151014110329/@comment-26837195-20151108120823

Okay I'll check my math again

DMG at max ranks:

1560  (+ 240% AP)

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100/100+MR which is 100/100+100 = 100/200 = 1/2, it deals half damage.

1560 + 240% AP halved is 780 +120% AP

2000-780=1220

X AP * 1.2 = 2220

1220 / 1.2 = 1016.66

Alright so I did get it wrong.

BUT, Abyssal scepter is still useful because W and Q deal magic damage, AP Rammus is a force to be reckoned with for unmatched split pushing and teamfight utility (scaling Q and R vs scaling W and E)

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