Talk:Udyr/@comment-5426276-20130329200102/@comment-5489694-20130403060830

Imo it's to much aoe (like getting Hydra on Shy), if you're using Phoenix your aoe is already great adding more is sort of a waste of the item when farming (it's sort of overkill).

I can see it working well on Tiger Udyr mainly because Tiger is great at dueling (important for split pushers) and the Shiv aoe is useful for Tiger push while not requiring you to use mana like an IG would.