Talk:Brand/@comment-24057773-20140519230651/@comment-8468980-20140607041805

"Tibbers has 600 Range, Brand's ult bounce range is the same as the cast range, 750. It's not really a choice to move Tibbers away because it will get off at least 2 bounces onto her before she manages to spread out."

You're forgetting the stun from the ulti.

"And his stun requiring two spell applications to work isn't an issue considering one of his spells is clicklock and the other is undogable for a champion without mobility spells until they get upgraded boots."

I think the thing you call undodgeable is actually not particularly hard to dodge, especially when he's opposing a champ who just needs to apply one spell to stun. Q stun for auto hit, W stun for longer range but cone skill, and R stun for longer range but it will blow your ulti. In addition, flash exists.

The problem with your reasoning, is that you're not matching Brand up to a champ in your comparisons. You're just saying what Brand can do to to some neutral training dummy.

I get that Brand is cool looking and really fun to play, but against a similar lane bully champ that has an easier time landing hard CC and can even initiate for the team, he's not going to have an easy time laning nor will he hard counter that champ. He shits on champs like Ryze, Karth, Veig, Aniv, but he's only got inferior tools to guard himself against lane bullies.