Board Thread:Wiki discussions and announcements/@comment-4698489-20150808195101/@comment-4698489-20150814003136

I see we're getting somewhere at last. You finally admit that you have been using FlipText not according to the official standard but to your own standard which for the first time you have elaborated upon. This is the fundamental problem here. Instead of engaging the wiki in discussion to modify what was, in your opinion, an "incorrect" standard, you avoided all of that and made sweeping changes according to your own preferences.

As for the two "real" issues that you mention, they are clear reasons for why FlipText should not be overused. There is also a third issue that I've mentioned multiple times already: using FlipText makes it more difficult to compare values since they are no longer listed side-by-side. And as a bonus, here's a fourth: FlipText makes it impossible to copy or screenshot all of the values at the same time. Now, it's true that changing the template can help with the first two issues to some degree (and I've already offered my suggestions to that end), but what's really needed to address all four issues is to make sure that FlipText is not overused in the first place.

So once again, I'll state why my standard is based on only using FlipText for derivative information and always showing all non-derivative or essential information. FlipText becomes a bother when toggling it is an absolute requirement to access some piece of information. For derivative information placed under FlipText, it is not a requirement to actually flip the text in order to access the information. By definition you can calculate derived values from what's already shown, so the values hidden under FlipText are just a convenience so you don't have to do the calculations yourself. For non-derivative information though, it becomes a requirement to toggle FlipText to be able to access the information at all. The piece of information hidden under FlipText is not just a convenience, it is information that is "essential" to the champion's kit. Being forced to flip the text in order to access this information at all is a rather unnecessary inconvenience.

If we were to update pages based on the standard of derivative vs essential information, toggling FlipText would no longer be an absolute requirement to get all the information you might need from a champion's page. Copies and screenshots would similarly be self-contained and not be missing any information. Simply accessing essential information like Varus's charged Q or Warwick Q's %HP component would also be more streamlined of course, which is really important since users are very likely to want to see those exact values when visiting their pages. Finally, it makes it easier to compare two sets of essential values that are related, but not by a multiplier, like Varus's charged and uncharged Q. (This isn't an issue for derivative values based on a multiplier because the multiplier itself gives the exact relationship already.)