Talk:Orianna/@comment-4948122-20120625205840/@comment-1144589-20120626144401

Okay he's wrong that there are no Pro Oriannas. But he has a point that there are better replacements. You have to admit when your champs aren't top tier picks. If you want some one with shield utility and an Ult with really good CC and more range you have other choices like Morg.

Allow me to point out one of her glaring weaknesses. Look at the Ultimate. Now look at the base damage and scaling. Do you realize how low that is for an AoE CC Ult? Even Sej and Leona have better damage AND scaling. And their Ults CC for longer. Why do they need more damage than Ori exactly? And the "fling" is tiny. Its really tiny. I thinks its smaller than Singed's fling. Compared to Gragas' ult's displacement, it's abyssmal. He can push people so far away from your team that they cant even consider to continue chasing you. Hers throws them a few inches. Not to mention his has like over 450 base and 1.0 scaling on top of the superior displacement. And they are fairly similar (sort of) characters having their damage being based around a single skillshot spell. It does take rocket science to look at her other spells to see how they pale in comparison damage/scaling wise compared to other champs.

What's my point? Just take a moment and step back to realize she's not the most amazing AP champ in the game right now. Is that a bad thing? Not TOTALLY. I mean if you do well with her you have to be really good. Bragging rights ftw!