Talk:Riven/@comment-60.241.125.152-20121030210327/@comment-4834593-20121104162106

With Riven vs Renekton, you are right, except if you can use your QQQ combo on Renekton without hitting minions. Maybe better players will always be able to avoid that being possible, but I also imagine something like coming in lane walking next to the first minion, as most people are actually coming just a bit behind the last one of the first wave. You might be able to make the difference with that. However, I think I have to agree Renekton has the upper hand.

With Jax losing part of his damage, I meant that Riven would maybe also have Ninja Tabi at level 5 (you mentioned Jax having it). I again don't know for sure if Riven can outlane though. I feel like it should be possible, but maybe only with maxing W and using EW Q out in trades. That is, normally, free harras. Or maybe sustain until Jax is out of mana.

About the outplaying/making mistakes, for me, making less mistakes is the same as outplaying an enemy (if both people play perfect, noone can outplay the other, and not playing perfect is making a mistake).

I must say I like discussing with you though. You actually know what you're talking about, contrary to far too many people here.