Talk:Garen/@comment-5414313-20120819001451/@comment-5414313-20120819010746

So I just did the math, and at least against a 40 AR target at level 1, you'll still do more damage with your Q with full ArPen than full AD, or with ArPen quints and AD reds.

This probably means that full ArPen is still the way to go with Garen.

So what about the Brutalizer? Still good?