Talk:Elise/@comment-188.79.85.182-20130327221724

Original poster here again.

Nobody cared about Elise in season 2... They slightly buffed her direcly some patch after, and new items like Liandry's Torment were a direct buff to her. Also, the current state of MR and tanky items nowadays is also a buff to her. You can't say at all she's like she was in season 2.

Vi is maybe the second most overpowered champion right after this; what brings her down is that, unlike Elise, she can't play as easily everywhere (has some trouble laning early on, can hardly 1v2 in a lane unlike Elie). But I won't get into detail here. The rest of the champions you mention here are not overpowered in general, maybe even in the weak side, with the exception of Katarina that, while strong, is not in the level of say Elise (I mean wtf Darius? I don't even own this champion but man, people fearing this guy make me laugh.

The team that got her as a support (with Ignite btw) was Team Dignitas, one of the top competitive teams in the world. Your argument is invalid, really: Elise support with 0 offensive items, runes and masteries owning a Malphite 6 levels ahead that had a Chalice. If you can do that I can't see how the fuck she's got a bad early game or is easy to shut down. The other day I was jungling and my top lane was against an Elise. I kept ganking her, sometimes with our mid laner; I gave my mate at top lane 5 kills off her. And yet she still owned my mate and CONSTANTLY DIVED HIM with no consequences, really negating his farm and threatening to kill him. So yeah, "shutting her down".

I realize they are a company, but they could bring good changes to the game instead of hurting it for the sole purpose of cash. My two cents here.

PD: If a champion is hard and overpowered it's not an excuse to keep it overpowered; the skill needed means nothing in the hands of good players in a true competitive scene, and that's what we should care about.