Talk:Riven/@comment-7434112-20140118152608/@comment-7434112-20140121183838

"If you're using her E to engage such that the enemy can just walk away unharmed and unthreatened but still remain close enough to re-engage you then you're probably doing something wrong."

Towards this point, I had said that there were 2 situations, either fight her and break the shield or wait 1.5 secs before committing to the fight. I had told 1 countermeasure to the shield, not that you'd be able to escape with no harm at all (in some cases). Its your fault in misconceiving it in a different way.

In your calculations, you had stated the regens 36 HP less per min and the shield buff allows her to block 20 HP/shield x 6 shield/min (think 4-5 is the likely amount of times you'd use her shield in a min but meh) = 120 HP/min. So where did you note it was for 1.5 secs? If I were to put it in your math, it'd be 120 increase in shield health for 9secs/min, since its not an icrease in her actual health and not present at all times.

In terms of the usefulness, its situational as you've pointed out. If there's a max health scaling ability or item, your shield doesn't affect it. And the same for its converse, min health scaling as well as current health.

"Seriously, 36 hp per minute... that's like what?  The damage accrued from less than an AA per minute? "

And 120 shield health for 9 secs/min (if you spam the ability) isn't really that different.

"Compared: to examine the character or qualities of especially in order to discover resemblances or differences"

So you agree I didn't compare their shields to each other, I compared a shield to a spell shield ^_^

Ok, its nice and all that you reminded me about Sivir's rework and pre-rework situations but doesn't change the fact that spell shield is more beneficial than valor at times (i.e situational) and vice versa. Blocking a whole skill means blocking all of it, damage and other effects, which depends wholly on the skill being blocked. And, since it scales with levels, it remains prevalent, even if the person is behind. If Riven gets behind, its harder to get items and thus, the shield's strength reduces considerably. Riven's has a cast time while Sivir's shield has none (from what i'm aware of). If you're gonna highlight both abilities, don't highlight whatever you want while disregarding other parts about it :^)