Talk:Vladimir/@comment-68.185.210.16-20101007051322/@comment-1735368-20101017225654

Well then... 1. "sanguine pool's cooldown is 14 seconds.  Deceive's cooldown is 11 seconds"

for the most part, you have nothing better to do with sanguine pool than to escape. As a ranged champ vladimir does not need a way to get in range as much as Shaco does and Vladimir also does most of his damage at a range. Vladimir has way more hp than shaco. Vladimir has a very convenient way to heal himself and shaco does not.

2. "shaco teleports with deceive so you can pass through walls'

Shaco needs a way to enter battle. If he just walks in, he is targeted and with low hp he dies. As you pointed out, deceive has an 11 second CD. You almost never get to use it to escape battle once you use it to get into battle.

3. "(you mentioning two shiv poison)"

yes TSP is ranged. However if you throw it, you can't passively slow enemies with normal attacks until its CD is up keeping you from chasing. You really dont want to throw your shivs in combat

4.(slow durations)

Shaco's slow is one application and ranged while vladimirs duration starts after you leave the pool and you are already in range to be attacked. Two shiv poison rarely works as an escape mechanism.

5.(chances of finding you are slim.)

Ya shaco is an assassin. With low HP. Vlad is a ranged nuke with unusually high hp for a mage. Shaco obviously has a better way to escape than somebody with higher hp, more consistent damage, and not mana dependent.

sorry for use of capitals being inconsistent.