Talk:Ardent Censer/@comment-24693081-20140618135314/@comment-6281696-20140622162921

Sigh, the issue is simply that support builds in LoL focus on gaining as much different support things as opposed to actually improving & specializing in what the champion actually can do. Which I consider bad. It's fine if you get utility on the side as a tanky support, but you're still primarly a tank, yet general support builds don't reflect that at all. Which I find stupid. And yes, I dislike Talisman on tanky supports too, just not the item I'm focussed at at the moment.

As for the whole build fluidity/freedom mantra, I despise the obsession with freedom that people seem to have.

AP is abysmall on Thresh, especially in such low amounts, CDR you can get in a million places, manaregen he doesn't really need the only stat about it that's "interesting" would be the movementspeed. And even then, Thresh will never be fast so there's not that much value in that either. Not to mention the need to sacrifice his most unique and arguable powerfull utility to have any use of the passive....

As for those numbers, eh how's 10% 300? Because that doesn't make much sense at all. I assumed Lolkings stats would make some sort of sense, but that sounds idiotic.

Anyway tl;dr of my opinion on (tanky)support itemization: Some utility on the side is fine, but taking close to nothing for your primary role & even purposely sacrificing your ability to work with your basic skills to a degree as is the case now is bad.