Talk:Shyvana/@comment-5698402-20121104235757/@comment-2.120.243.39-20121108211450

im sorry but games dont work out like that, her passive while good is ganks, doesn't mean 100% kills even with her e slow. there is a reason why even champions like nautilius who you must say is better than sejuani at ganking, you still wont be getting sure kills every 20 seconds unless your opponents are retarded (i know you are trying to make a figure of speech here, however it's kinda ludicrous, to say she can 100% kill with her kit vs malphite or amumu without using her ultimate, i would have agreed that her ganks are overall stronger due to the passive slow and gap closer and really strong slow, but without that ultimate, against the mobility meta where more than 1/2 have dashes, you can't guarentee shit without hard cc, if they dodge your dash, you are fucked). but there is another factor you missed out, her terrible dueling, you try to stack hp early and you become a marsh mellow but ok damage, you try to stack resistances early and you have no damage. so let me reiterate, why go sej when her ganks aren't the strongest (nautilius, shaco), her early game is 1of the weakest (lee sin, shaco, shyvana) her mid game is ok but outclassed (malphite, amumu) her late game is arguably surpassed due to the comparison i made between her's and malphite and amumu and her dueling is pretty hard (lee sin, mundo) and her buff loss resilience is pretty bad due to long cds and mediocre damage. now the main problem here is, u pick any other jungler vs her, she wont be able to affect his game play in the slightest because you'd be overall not as great. you pick lee she shouldn't survive the laning phase, you pick mundo its the same and he probably scales as hard due to his super tank nature with the bonus of being able to 1 v 1 even late game carries and amumu and malphite just beats her all stages. basically i think she needs a buff in her cd, she will be about the same lvl once it's done, her skills are good on paper only if she can use it more frequently, you can argue cdr, but how is that much different than putting it on someone else like amumu or malphite, the difference in damage will be the same still.