Talk:Graves/@comment-86.153.49.199-20111022232829/@comment-203.206.4.104-20111023121355

what you have to keep in mind is that his AA range is short, when compared to others like cait , his cc is almost non existant , smoke bomb is pretty meh as far as real cc goes , he hasnt got stealth , and his dash is very short range so its not like he can even escape over every single wall either , he has to be slightly tanky and have good burst , otherwise he would be utterly useless .when you look at his weaknesses hes really a fairly decent champ overall , people just arent countering him right