Talk:Pantheon/@comment-26380451-20150522183524/@comment-25447003-20150630131813

Actually, there are other AP champions who has better Point-and-click Q (like Annie, Vlad, pre-S5 Ryze, ...), and if skillshots there are Lissandra, Rumble, Syndra, Cassiopeia, Karthus, ...

They have better damage because AP is cheaper than AD to builds (80 AD items are at least 3200 gold, but 120 AP just 3100 gold), and all champions have less MR than AR - even when stacking the MR is still less efficient slot-wise.

On the AD size, actually the Q dmg of Khazix, Wukong, Talon, Udyr, Reksai, ... are better because Pantheon's base damage on Q are poor.

And the point about ulti is right as well, Pan's R is hard to hit and if he misses it in teamfight, he will be bursted without doing anything useful, probably.