Talk:Vi/@comment-24090792-20140301215731/@comment-15244341-20140312190254

I'll say I've never actually seen any Vi ult hit more than three people. I've seen Amumu's do it quite a bit. Not to speak of Sejuani, which I also play quite a bit.

That's not to say that Vi's initiation is worse. It's just that Vi snowballs herself with kills and gets to do real damage (TM) with a damage item unlike most of the tank junglers. That normally means that both her and her team are actual threats during teamfights unlike most initiatiors. Say Malphit goes in, blows his spells and then proceeds to autoattack. You just pat him in the back, watch for his next spell and then deal with the actual threats that come behind him. Vi, like some others (Renekton, most notably, Garen too but less because he just runs fast) dives the squishies and then proceeds to go on a rampage unless you kill her.

HOWEVER, and this is the thing, if Vi is the only one fed or if her teammates are slow/not as fed as her, it is most likely she is suiciding. Hers is no Sejuani ult where everyone gets to chill (haha jokes) for a bit doing nothing while your team murders you. She is an active part of the murder thing.

So yeah. Yasuo problem here: when the kit lets you snowball AND basically means a dead dude/dudette at level 6 (because honestly, Maokai is the only one that makes a gank as easy to respond to) if you are a bit good, you really need to try not to get ahead.

And by the way, I've never seen much point to such a long range initiation that leaves you in the middle of the enemy team. I mean, you are dead if you try. And no one does 1550 units fast enough to follow. Plus Q+R means you have no gapclosers, so the second someone kicks, monsoons, slows, stuns or whatever, you are welcome to the magnificent world of melee champions with no gapclosers. Which may not be actually that magnificent.

Also 650+1175=1825 range on Sejuani's initiation. Which is a stun. So I'm not impressed by this initiation (?).

Lastly, if Vi takes 10 seconds to kill then she is fed as hell and you ain't since nothing in LoL should live through a decently farmed ADC (as in with farm comparable to Vi) for 10 straight seconds while sorrounded by the enemy team. Heck, maybe Mundo. If that which is shooting at him isn't Vayne.