Talk:Ryze/@comment-5663971-20150430004956/@comment-5663971-20150502162509

the bounces at the enemies deal 1x damage. If ult is up, it splashes half of that.

That's 1x from initial hit + 0.5 damage splash x 6 targets + 0.5 damage bounce back x 6

total is 7 times.

I can say with relative certainty that secondary targets get 1x of the listed damage... I've seen secondary melee minions get almost half their health torn by a non-ult E. Let's say it has 600 health, that means you need 300 damage. If it does half damage to secondary targets then you'd need around 1700 AP and 0 mana or 0 AP and 25000 mana, mid way proportionally you need 850 AP and 12500 mana to deal the same damage as what I've seen in a video...

I've checked. It deals x1 damage. The wiki is wrong.