Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-5763148-20131114013707/@comment-10590654-20131119130147

I'm very sorry I did misunderstand you in some places, but yes I get what you mean by micro, lee's only "micro" is ward jumping and that isn't hard. I guess he isn't hard but some better players will outplay better than others if you will. To give a more concrete example there is a difference between Stonewall008 Lee sin and Shakedrizzle's Lee Sin. But yes he isn't that hard because you need only manage energy, q, know how to R and mayeb ward hop and you are set.

Concerning a rework well I am against it, It would probably break him more than numbers, although I understand he is Toxic in the sense that he can escape a lot and is annoying to play against (can outplay champs with low mobility hard). His only real counterplay is late Game. He isn't bad late but he isn't Jarvan's god initiating level late game. It's like Ezreal vs vayne, Ez isn't bad late damage wise, it's decent and he still has his utility E, but vayne makes him look crappy.

But yeah conclusion is Lee is a bad design but fun in actual game play. He is maybe opish and isn't hard to play even though some people can outplay hard with him. What he needs to me is a late game nerf to make him bad late as he was supposed to be ( keep only his utility tanking late game).