Talk:Graves/@comment-1120494-20140917133437/@comment-8468980-20140920054018

"It would be nice if you could show your calculations because those numbers look very suspect to me as well."

Looks like the guy is combining Lucian's Q and W plus a passive proc for each and comparing it to Graves's Q minimum damage. Not exactly the most fair comparison, but reaslitically Graves has only one damage spell and it's damage depends on how many slugs hit the enemy while Lucian doesn't need to work around these limitations.

"If he really was much weaker than Lucian the two would not be occupying around the same winrate brackets"

This isn't particularly true. Sometimes a small core of players will use a certain champ to success and skew the winrate. There needs to be a new way of judging a champ's winrate with respect to how often it is picked. I think this would be a more accurate way of gauging a champ's successfulness. In addition, Lucian is still tearing it up in Korea whereas Graves hasn't seen much competitve play since Season 2.