Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-67.82.183.116-20110521191157/@comment-199.212.250.97-20110531172527

Garren in no way needs a buff. he has been buffed multiple time uping his movement and dmage on judgement which was far too much on a character already based on spin to win tactic. Given the fact that he slows down alot late game I agree he needs a re working. reducing base on his judgement would make his early game fair and not "sit in bush for health, shield, run out to silence so they cant stun or escape as easily, spin forever dealing massive damage even without crit of AD, finish with an ult if nessecary" If you do this on any squishier character youve secured yourself an easy kill while taking minimal damage which you can just go hide in a bush for a min to regen. Yes his early game is easily too powerful any one who plays garren knows this thats one of the big reasons to play him hes one of the simplest champions to play and require very little strat to do well with even for new players.

I do play garren from time to time for exactly the reason that hes simple to play and really doesnt take much to figure out. there are plenty of build attempts and ive seen some good some bad but the fact of the matter is he needs a good change. Changing his base damage to something reasonable and replacing it with scaling would allow DPS garren to be more reasonable in the late game phase while making it possible to actually get a kill on an average garren player.

On a more personal note I really hate when people need to play the simple heros like garren, trynd and yi to win all their matches, I understand the want to play something without, for lack of a better word, skill, but there are many who need to consistantly play easy characters even at max level where playing is more about having fun and working together rather then racking up xp for that next level.