Talk:Heimerdinger/@comment-83.196.51.137-20121031083832/@comment-5052127-20121106173647

The bots ARE retarded... I never play ranged carries AT ALL, and I easily got 16/1/12 with Caitlyn my very first game with her, and I KNOW i was making all kinds of mistakes... I don't think i used her net right once the entire game, and I kept doing really dumb stuff with positioning which would have definitely gotten me killed against real players. Also, I'm pretty sure I last hit like crap that game too and bought some items in the wrong order.

As for Heimer with Zeal... It could work (I used to run it when i first started with him and it worked pretty well actually)... I think his damage really does scale better with AD right now (at least if you give him some mpen too, since his turrets also benefit form the mpen... the remarkably strong base damage on his abilities actually account for most of his magic damage, so Mpen and cooldown reduction really help him more than AP)... I haven't done the numbers but I'm pretty sure he can do more damage as AD right now than as pure AP, considering how bad his AP scaling is along with his long cooldowns...)