Talk:Udyr/@comment-7273169-20130901085405/@comment-5185239-20130906092923

Tiger gets like 5 damage per level with the base AD, but phoenix scales off Aspd which he gets from levels too. You don't need to build lots of aspd when you can start the game with 45% aspd (15% runes + 30% passive).

Phoenix is easily procced two times before the cooldown comes up again, while the tiger dot is just a 2 second burst and then you have to wait 2-4 seconds to reapply it again. In 99% of the games champs will have more armor than mr, and since you dont run pen runes (just an assumption), so phoeni will deal more damage (200 wave burst + 220-275 aoe).

You can get aspd items to deal damage, its nothing extraordinary, it just hurts your tankyness and i dont feel like its needed, as in late your only job is to peel for your adc or zone the enemy adc and disrupt the frontline. If i want to deal damage i get BotrK or Rageblade.

Idk what masterys and runes you rune, i mostly take0/8/22 to outlevel the enemy jungler + you can hit 450 movespeed  all the time with swiftys. Dont like the offensive tree for Udyr, the defensive is quite good but utility is just a tad bit better imo.