Talk:Udyr/@comment-2179912-20130722152234/@comment-3238314-20130723215025

I'd suggest not building him as you would jax, 3rd hit wise. Jax has the benefits of a really long jap closer, a 2 sec invulnerability and 1 sec stun, and plenty of free stats too keep him alive, which is why you can invest strongly in offense. From experience, you can build udyr three ways:

If you max Tiger you want to go for a more carry-like build, you will want to go for AD items, such as the black cleaver, atma's impaler, and botrk, to max out your Q bonus damage and to max your single target damage. You'll want to pair this with some strong defensive items, like randuin's omen, and spirit visage/maw/banshee's veil, to counter the squishyness the above build leaves you with.

The tiger build is better for when you're not up against teams that can kite you indefinetly. You can definetly fuck up the shit of any squishy you reach, and rape tanks, but the problem is that you are squishy yourself, and will most likely get stomped before you do anything significant.

If you play phoenix udyr, You do it because you face the above mentioned problem, and you want to retreat into a more supportive role, of chain stunning the enemy team with your bear, tanking most of the damage by rushing the enemy carry with your shield up, and providing lots of aoe damage.

Phoenix udyr should be built with almost no ad, relying heavily on the base damages of the active and the passive wave strike. There are two core items for this build: Sunfire cape and wit's end. Sunfire cape adds to your phoenix active which makes you jungle incredibly fast, (therefore you should rush it after spirit stone, which in my opinion is unskippable because of mana issues), and it also provides huge ambient damage, even if you can't reach your intended target (95 damage/second before reductions while phoenix is active), which is the main strength of phoenix udyr. It also takes off the need to actually reach a carry, as you can simply stand anywhere in the enemy team and do damage, and you can use waves for good bursts of aoe (just search for someone to flame smack, have his friends join the ash shower).

Trinity force is optional and encouraged on both builds if you can get away with it.

Or you can build with 5 points into both tiger and phoenix and just beat the shit out of everything, but only if you can't get kited