Talk:Ryze/@comment-118.208.40.91-20120722122456/@comment-5162027-20120722125005

Guess that's why Ryze sees such an enormous amount of play in tournaments. Totally UP, yep. And Morgana is totally banned all the time, man. Definitely OP.

On a less joking note, Morgana is a trend ban. For the same reason that Shaco is constantly banned, for the same reason that Kassadin is constantly banned, the LoL community, as a general rule, ban according to the "trend", and those are probably the highest trend banned champions. She is powerful in solo queue because she is completely reliable, it takes a hell of a lot for her to suck, and a lot less coordination with a team to use her properly- after all, her teamfight is summed up as 1. Chuck out Q. 2. Chuck out W under whoever you hit with Q. 3. Chuck on spellshield. 4. Kamikaze sprint at the enemy team and hit R. 5. (Optional) Hit Zhonya's if about to die. 6. Watch teammates clean up shop.

Ryze, on the other hand, is a lot less safe a pick for solo queue, because he doesn't just throw out W on a minion wave and then sit at his turret to farm, and neither does he have a spellshield with CC immunity to protect from ganks.

That aside, when it comes to a teamfight, Ryze does a boatload more than Morgana. His snare lasts less, but played as CDR-Mana tank (his most common build), he throws it out nearly 3 times in the space of one snare by Morgana. His Q is a rapid fire churning ball of hatred that hits for commonly 500+ damage. In a teamfight with a team that isn't filled with derps and you can communicate with, he's just way too tanky and way too well positioned to take down, while he dishes out far more sustained damage than Morgana could dream of doing.

In short, Morgana is great because you have to really suck to suck at her. Ryze is significantly less reliable in solo queue, a scenario where you commonly can only trust yourself, but scales way the hell more obscenely than she does and can dish out the punishment for far longer. Morgana is a safe AP mage. Ryze is a gung-ho cocaine snorting AP carry. The difference is right there in the terms.