Forum talk:Neekerivittu/@comment-13160526-20130923163614/@comment-15244341-20130926223938

It seems the Earthshaker point didn't get to you. He is an example of a character that is notorious for swinging a game with a good combo in a game in which even supports are dangerous because the way mages scale. Zed is an assassin in game in which the bulk of your damage is bought. He is an example of a character that will not 2v1 if he absolutely falls behind. Do note that dying twice in lane while having stupid amounts of CS (which he should do if he dies too much) is actually not really falling behind. Or Zed players are constantly outplaying people.

You of course win bot lane with Caitlyn against Vayne. That is called counterpicking. If you are in platinum, I shouldn't need to explain something as obvious as that. Champions, duelers or not, struggle against their counterpicks. That is what counterpicking implies. But I'm sure you must have seen Vayne or Quinn in top lane and actually winning the lane. That is because they have kits that make them strong against some champions, letting them win 1v1 from a safe distance thanks to their kiting capabilities and range. They are above average at dueling.

Also, peeling. Saving your main DPS from any assassin or bruiser is the best use of your CC that is not destined for initiating or taking the ADC down. I thought that much was obvious. Say you use those two CCs/shields whatever and that barrier to save Varus and kill Zed. Good, then the enemy is out of one of their three damage dealers (assuming a bruiser, jungle tank, mid, ADC, support meta-friendly teamcomp) and the ADC has free reign to deal with the bruiser or whatever. Also, he can be silenced and he can be slowed. His burst is pretty damn long for an assassin compared to say Talon or LeBlanc. You can silence, stun, slow... anything. That complain from old LB DFG+Q+R or Talon's instagib I can see. But Zed. Yeah.

I'd say BotRK is indeed broken. And Varus and Vayne (maxing silver bolts) are both great users of the item. Top lane Quinn against bruisers too. It synergyzes too well with ADCs with %HP damage, which is always dealt through autoattacks. BotRK amplifies that.

And if the enemy has a fed Zed that can instaburst you ADC, then positioning accordingly has priority for the ADC. Same when dealing with a fed Vi. You dont get close to bushes so that she can Q+R for punching at max range. Positioning is the way to deal with high mobility champions when playing champions with lower mobility. Also, QSS on your ADC. There, Zed has no ult.