Talk:Trundle/@comment-32161553-20170603042707/@comment-4091261-20171107063110

It's possible to counteract that issue with a against both  and. Getting a whole against  is plausible. Against though,  would need to have  to stand toe to toe--most likely winning when he gets.

Either way it's important to not let them gimp. can only have a chance at turning things around if he gets those items. It's way too easy for and  to snowball with their power otherwise. A +  should be enough to handle the early game bullying they tend to do.

Typically with it's all about getting that pivotal item that allows him to wreck the enemy in a duel. Some champs can fully duel at the very start, but against the more popular ones, he's going to need to focus on minions to get those important items. Sometimes or  is enough at times, but the point is he needs to get them.

That said, I don't see an issue with his matchup against or. It just needs a different set of items to overcome the early game power gap. So long as mid-game power is capitalized, it should be fine.