Talk:Veigar/@comment-4729118-20121116123617/@comment-4990650-20121117020939

New DFG affect ur based damage and Ap ratio so at low ap new dfg is better.

at higher ap it is different from case to case cause it depends on both target hp and your ap ratio.

lets say veigat 2.8 ratio and target with 2k hp. each 100 ap increase old by 100 damage and new by 56. but new has 200 more based damage from his combo so it is even at 300 ap and old deal more after that.

the more hp target get the better old DFG get, the higher your based and Ratio the more usefull new DFG become.