Talk:Riven/@comment-5037376-20170415192424/@comment-26203093-20170506064354

Do you know of a site that has actually lane specific data? Like usually around losing 2 towers laning is just considered over, and it's only kills before that that is relevant, really.

There's also how you should define countering; I mean champs like leblanc and kassadin counter champions not killing the target or pushing lane, but by leaving and assassinating people. you're technically losing lane because your tower's getting slightly pushed - though kills might not even happen. Like I said; winning lane is different to winning the game, though.