Talk:Karma/@comment-1920550-20141223000400/@comment-25953891-20150102101822

Karma Soulflare is not a single skillcast. R+Q is not a single skill, it's two skills. And the damage is not even instant, half of it is delayed. The reason the damage must be considered separately is because the question is how much damage does the ultimate do, not how much damage does the champion do in total. It is also important when considering alterior uses for the ultimate. Then you'll be able to see clearly that in teamfights 300+60% AP damage in a large aoe and the aoe shield and aoe speed boost >>>>> +175+30% AP extra damage to that small aoe which detonates for 350%+60% AP more that enemy can walk out of. And that was my point. People think that 785+150% AP is better than the big aoe 300+60% AP, but the fact is that if you spend mantra on E, you can do 260+60% AP with Q anyway.

Sure you can add up all the nukes if you want to see total burst damage possible with this champion. The burst is decidedly unimpressive.

1 rotation of R+Q+W is 1045 + 210%AP. Not really all that impressive, especially considering someone with a dash can both avoid second R+Q proc and break the tether. Veigar R+Q+W is 1080+260% AP and pretty much impossible to avoid. Or compared with someone like leblanc or syndra.

Even if you factor in the cooldowns and calculate for DPS, the champion is unimpressive, most DPS mages far outstrip karma in DPS.

And if you compare her with ultility mages (non-burst non-dps) she still loses to the likes of orianna.