Talk:Riven/@comment-97.113.54.202-20120505164937/@comment-4834593-20120505220422

First, my personal meaning: Riven, because Fiora is just an overpowered piece of shit for noobs who like to pretend they're good at the game, while a good Riven requires skill.

Now what you really want to know:

Fiora has a very strong team fight, in that she can build 50% or more life steal, then fight in a team fight and ult when she is low on health and gain most of her health back, she has a nice bonus AD from her W, on the same skill she can block those fearsome autoattack enhancers like Nasus' Siphoning Strike, on her E she has a nice attack and movement speed bonus, but short, so if you stay away from her for the duration, she has just wasted some mana, and on her Q she has a double gap closer. However, due to her squishyness, most bruisers beat her in a 1v1, except early game in top lane. This is where a Fiora should fed herself. If she wins the lane, she wins the game because she can carry her team. If she loses the lane, she either needs to get kills on other lanes, or she will mostly be annoying for the enemy team.

Riven is not very good in team fights, but she has a very strong laning phase and four abilites that all scale nicely with AD, plus a total of four (little) dashes, making catching up or escaping easy. She also has a minor knockback on her third dash of her Q and a minor stun on her W, which should mostly be used to get in autoattack range (you should have a Frozen Mallet on Riven), or to block a channeled spell like Nunu ult, Karthus ult or Katarina ult. In team fights, her only use is doing AoE damage and picking a squishy target to attack and finish off with her ult. Her ult active is also the only ranged attack she has, which means she is very vulnerable to a clever ranged champion that moves away if she dashes. If you play against ranged opponents in your lane, you could best ask your jungler for two or three ganks. I have noticed that normally, when my jungler has ganked a few times, I can make two enemies tower hug on my own, while having 4/1/2 or something like that. Also notice that slows are not very effective on Riven, because her dashes take a few seconds before you used them all, while it does not change the distance traveled if you are slowed. This is also why I am never afraid of an exhaust...

And in lane, if you have Riven vs Fiora, then it is purely on skill, and there is not much difference. Endgame, Fiora deals heavy damage (much more than Riven) but if she is in a bad position for just 1 second, she is dead, while Riven can survive that a few seconds.