Talk:Vel'Koz/@comment-24035110-20140228164202/@comment-8506165-20140305005657

"But remember that Vel'Kozby deals that in 2.5 second while Gragas ult deletes champions from the map in a split second. Everything has a drawback."

And Vel'Koz can cast his from a far greater range, can update its targeting as he fires, can't accidentally help the enemy escape with it or knock people into his carry... yeah, sure, they do different things and sometimes one will be more useful than the other. I like Gragas, so I'm not just picking him out and going "yeah his ult's terrible" - that'd just be factually untrue when you consider the ludicrous potential it has. But if people are just going to whine about the damage on an ability purely because "low AP scalings!" I'm going to point out that's entirely facetious when the base damage is fairly ridiculously high and even includes a portion of true damage. Particularly in a meta where stacking penetration items is ludicrously effective and this benefits people with high bases more than people with high AP scalings.

But either way, ignoring the bases is stupid - to put it another way, which do you think you'd prefer to be hit by: a) AP Tristana's Buster Shot, which deals 500 + 150% AP or b) A 7-sphere Syndra ult that deals 1260 + 140% AP damage? Both targeted burst abilities: Tristana's has higher AP scaling, but she needs to outmatch Syndra's AP by an amount higher than is actually possible to achieve in order to outdamage her ultimate. Hell, she needs about 500 AP just to match a 0AP Syndra's 7 sphere ult for damage.