Talk:Veigar/@comment-3363768-20110304081701/@comment-3165723-20110322030350

he has to wait for like, what, ten seconds? besides, all most veigars need in team fights or 1v1 is that initial burst to kill at least one enemy and put another one into flee mode. having an aoe stun that can easily stun an entire team, or at least put a huge obstacle in their way, while being able to nuke without mercy is what makes him more useful than alot of dps, considering he's a kind of dps himself with his q on low cooldown.im reluctant to call him op since i rarely see him and we have champs like annie running round with a similar concept, but he's certainly nothing to blink at. and that outdamage entire teams comment is somethin i believe is called "exaggeration" which i guess not many people get on this site. veig is extremely powerful and low ip. his ult change barely did anything to balance out his damage output, more useful against dps, less against casters. less meaning less than it was before, it still rapes casters so im not sure what this first commenter was talking about.