Talk:Udyr/@comment-7273169-20130901085405/@comment-180677-20130902085220

With phoenix, i like to experiment with some tanky ap stuff (RoA, iceborn) atm. The teamfight presence of phoenix would go through the roof with some ap as you literally just need to run around and burn everything in your range, not to mention the turtle's shield and insane counterjungling.

In the case you prefer Tiger Jungle, some early lifesteal (maybe just runes + utility mastery) coupled with boots and pots would do just fine (i prefer this over dorans jungle which is a bit risky imho.). Would recommend at least two levels on phoenix early for the better clear, then at champ level 4/5 proceed with Tiger/Bear and build your usual on-hit/damage or tanky stuff you are used to.

You could also focus on maxing Tiger & phoenix and ignoring turtle, giving you much better overall damage and clear but this would require some more pot usage or (in some cases) an early vamp scepter.

Heck, he's can use everything if you mix it right, we could talk for days about that :D