Talk:Ryze/@comment-201.165.202.71-20120706063445/@comment-80.15.143.26-20120713180947

actually viegar can't do anything vs ryze from early ( loses trades) to late ( bust is nice, banshee + merc is better

veigar can instagib someone with 3K HP and 150 MR

the only ryze counter i can see is cassiopeia who can shut him down early easily

because if he cages cassio he's getting  the cassio DPS which  is WAY higher then ryze   throughout the whole game (although cassio stays squishy and will lose fights late game) but early / mid cassio destroys ryze

all ryze can do vs cassio is... switch lane: combo harass = get killed, just Q harass =  wtf is he doing close enough to throw  a Q on cass? she has twice his range on Q

or jsut passive farm stay far buy lots of pots and ask jungler to baby sit