Talk:Elise/@comment-115.64.31.150-20121021094254/@comment-4525580-20121021183936

I cant really agree with taking away Jayce and elise's lvl 1 ults, they actually need them unlike Nid who can function well in ether form where as jayce and elise are would be near usless without them for that long and get crushed early game or allow there opponet to free farm with little trade. There kits entirely revolve around them and as such would be some of the worst early champs in the game and most likely set them on the back shelf along with many now nearly useless champions.