Talk:Garen/@comment-15020375-20140217212613/@comment-15244341-20140312181815

No actual gapclosers other than running at people assuming flash is down. Easy to counter in lane and predictable (Garen is going top, it's that obvious). And no, he has poor teamfight presence outside of people deciding to blow everything on him when he charges with Courage up. Plus Thresh basically makes it so that you ain't getting nowhere without flash since he peels Garen off the ADC too hard. Items give everyone teamfight presence and when their kit gives them more of it than Garen's kit does, he gets left behind.

Also he is terrible against tanks. Someone like Shen or Mundo also eventually beat him in lane by virtue of having constant poke and not needing to fight. He is a lane bully like Renek, and as such he falls off while having less surviability in teamfights in exchange for a bit more damage.

Also, the ultimate's cooldown is so damn high that he can't outpressure some other top laners whose ultimates are also awesome (Mundo, Renekton).