Talk:Orianna/@comment-4118724-20110706050104/@comment-3486816-20110706235906

It's a perfectly valid comparison. Both really need to be built AP and played partially as support to shine, both rely heavily on their shields (Karma's shield is much better than her heal in 90% of situations), and both have a slow that is also a speed boost. Karma can AoE heal and her speed boost/slow lasts longer and her AoEs are larger. Other than that the OP does make a good point; for example, dissonance can be cast from further away and slows for more even if Karma mantras her Spirit Bond, and the fact that Karma has better scaling on her shield is balanced by the fact that Orianna has a much larger range and can afford to build more AP and less tanky, and also by the fact that Orianna's shield also adds resistances. Once you throw in Orianna's ult, Karma's kind of blown out of the water... :(. Karma's primary advantage is that her abilities are easier to land with larger AoEs, and her slow/speed buff can last longer than Orianna's provided the bond isn't broken, so a skilled Orianna (who can hit enemies with damage despite having smaller AoEs) will be a much better asset to a team.