Talk:Vi/@comment-9705522-20131006105729/@comment-16257908-20131007205321

You get me wrong. I meant if Vi ults, say Ashe that has Banshee's, she won't knock her up, thus, not being able to knock anyone else up until Assault and Battery are back.

By safer and stronger initiations I mean Ultimates with more "BAM!" impact. Malphite is a great example, he'll knock a lot of people at once, disrupting most of them and letting the team follow up with a much smaller probability of things going wrong.

And keep in mind that not only Marksman are into play. Mages are pretty much immune to AS debuffs and there's always Flash to reposition.