Talk:Garen/@comment-5877442-20140610212303/@comment-5057599-20140621200733

... What? Garen doesn't start E at lvl 1, he starts Q. If he's stupid enough to start E you just walk away from him for the duration because he doesn't have the movement speed to stick to you, duh.

Riven outdamages Garen severely at all stages, that's not even up for debate. In the early game in particular his Q damage gets almost entirely negated by Riven's E, she can kite him until the silence is over and then her autos deal 120% AD at lvls 1 and 2 due to her passive.

He's weak period. Jax and Renekton have different ways to chain their abilities. Garen ALWAYS uses the same patern regardless of the player or itemization.