Talk:Skarner/@comment-4168772-20110810083305/@comment-4031457-20110810114052

Riot also assigns Taric a tank label, but everyone knows that he his ability to perform as a dedicated tank is pretty subpar. You seem to be arguing that the opinions of high-tier players shouldn't be treated as gospel (which is true), whilst Riot's should (which isn't). And Stonewall was very happy with Lee Sin as a control jungler, acknowledging that his ganks are a little sub-par.

So I'm not quite sure what you're disputing here. You seem mad that one of the most knowledgeable junglers in League formed an opinion on him and that others have taken up that opinion. His jungling is very weak early on for a few levels until he gets all his abilities, and once he has all his abilities he just eats camps, finishing at a relatively average time. However, by the end of your routes, you get pretty low in the jungle (making you vulnerable to counter-jungling), and your gap closer is a lot weaker than many other champs, so if the lane you're ganking lacks CC, then your pre-6 ganks rely on enemies being dumb, without Flash, and/or really out of position.

If you ask me, I don't think he's a weak jungler, but I certainly don't think he's a strong one. I'd still jungle with him unless I was given 1v1 solo top. But that doesn't mean he's adept at jungling, just capable. Jungle with Lee Sin then jungle with Skarner and tell me which is quicker, safer, and more effective.