Talk:Shen/@comment-24971427-20180919013338/@comment-36002403-20180924110909

How are you doing with the AP bruiser Shen?

I did try it a few times and made bad experiences. Laning wents very smooth and you actually can become a threat to the enemie laner in a good matchup. But thats also the case with standard Tank Shen.

But in mid/late game it starts to suck you cant effectively splitpush due to his lack of waveclear if you go for AP. You also cant participate in a teamfight unless you got someone in your team with a good engage or the enemy fail engages on your team. You also cant recklessly taunt the enemy if you dont got your 'W' ready because you are really squishie. (too bad they nerfed his taunt so hard with the rework)

So basically i had to admit that you cant play Shen as an effective bruiser. I would compare him to Pantheon/Xin Zhao. With the difference that Pantheon Ult is more reliable/flexible, both got better Waveclear and their gapcloser/lock is also better (either way it hits or it doesnt; if Shen fail taunts its gameover.)