Talk:Graves/@comment-98.148.42.6-20121127083523/@comment-178.5.165.213-20121127174643

It will be more you usefull to level up R>Q>E>W. His w doesn't scales with ap so it is not going to deal any significant damage(only used to ensure a lasthit sometimes) and the blind is always the same. The slow barely gets stronger throughout the game which makes it useless to level against a dash+ extremly good steroid. The combo you want to use in lane to burst sb down(together with a cc support for example taric e ) is like you wrote, but usually you are able to do it without the smokescreen and an ignite in the beginning. Without red buff Graves is only decent in terms of chasing. Your e is great as it brings you closer and can be refreshed by attacks and your ult has a damn high range, but you can not use your q and dont have any ms steroid like vayne or draven. If you have red buff you actually should already be at the point where you can instakill a lot of guys and don't need to chase.