Talk:Maokai/@comment-3532889-20110626072442/@comment-3532889-20110627031441

@ Rap yeah, I can see your reason, and that's kinda what i figured. Though, I have no problem getting auto-attacks off, and damage isn't really what i'm looking for. 200 hp isn't really huge anyway.

@WOB Yeah, I used to get armor, but as long as I don't get interrupted at blue, I have no problems whatsoever going my normal route, and can usually even grab lizard at lvl 3 (1 in saplings, 2 in Arcane Smash), and most of the time even gank before I b, just because i'm a higher level then everyone else. If I don't grab lizard, I get one in each skill, then can still gank because of Twisted Advance. But I feel that Maokai doesn't really need the early game armor to jungle, or rather, I like the late game MP5 boost. And yeah, CDR makes a huge diff in the jungle, in particular, the last sapling on golem cuts fairly close. I've been wanting to see if other runes work, but as it stands now, I only have 2 rune pages >.>, so I do what I can.

And from my experience with jungle mao, I honestly don't understand why more people don't do it. He's great for setting up ganks, and flys through the jungle rather quickly. I'm actually rather proud of the exact timings I have down for his jungling, like where the sapling explodes on the golem just to do the last hit on him, etc. I'm beginning to think I should write a guide, just because noone seems to realize it can be done well... on an aside, I think stonewalls jungle mao vid is outdated, because the sapling timing patch allows maokai to throw 3 saplings before golem spawns, and 2 when he does. makes it much easier and faster.