Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-4834593-20120705211042/@comment-15562896-20120706093454

Rumble vs J4 is pretty balanced but both of them benefit from the element of surprise, they both are kinda underplayed and people are easily caught offguard by their damage output, Rumble is very weak pre five though.

As for Shen he's easily in my top ten most hated champions he's just retarded as fuck since his retarded buff