Talk:Karma/@comment-4022742-20140325153706/@comment-8468980-20140329013331

"You don't need Void Staff or  Abyssal Scepter for late game scaling, you already have  Liandry's Torment at this point, which scales you into late just fine."

No, mpen and percentage hp damage procs aren't interchangeable even slightly. In addition, as a support, if you've barely got th cash to cover Liandry's but mid game is ending, your team isn't going to give a crap about your neato procs and would much rather you had better utility through Shureliya's / locket / mikhails or items that allow you to pop your natural utility more frequently with mp5 and CDR.

The gold changes to supports didn't make it so that you can always build your fantasy items, it simply gives you a chance to do so now. Much like your deadlier support brothers in the jungle, you now need to gauge your gold opportunities to allow you to buy riskier damage stats or invest in safer utility.