Talk:Jayce/@comment-4893919-20120705134244

"Hadn't anybody spotted that his health pool and gain is mediocre at best, and his AD is awfully low compared to other bruisers? Jax or Irelia can totally rape him at lower levels as he does not have any reliable escape. Well, its OK to have that AD when being ranged, but not when your range is lowest in game amongst ranged.... switching to melee should grant lower arm/mr, but also a an AD buff."

Additionally:

His ult DOES NOT trigger on cast effects like sheen. His knockback to counter gap closersr has a damned 14s cooldown! Jax gap closer has 10-6s (considering he maxes it first or along with w), wukong 8s... kennen 10-6s.... and your nkockback will never "counter" a gap closer, it only helps a little. And when you switch to hammer and knockback them, you have NO WAY to damage them for 6s (ult) and no knockback to negate another coming gap closer. 500 range means you can lasthit without walking onto opponent's face, but you will be harrased when you do it just because they will walk in or close a gap - then you have to switch into hammer. No ranged lastitting for another 6s.

BUT, I dont say he's weak. He has pros and cons like all champs, he just isnt definitely OP. And he is really fun to play. Actually, on low elo or normals, if you are good you will be able to rape opponents - same as with any other champ. Still, laning against i.e. jax will be pain in the ass, i tried it with friend couple times....