Talk:Viktor/@comment-4061583-20130307065737/@comment-5490997-20130310151404

Or you get a tank with a good initiate (Malph, Amumu, Singed and there are many other less banned examples).

Generally I like countering enemy initiates though, just hang around till they jump on one of your team mates and then drop all your stuff on them and if you did it right they'll regret it big time.

Also in the jungle his W is great, you can effectively close off routes with it similar to Anivia's wall. Not to mention in those tight areas it's easy to land your E and R on many champs at once.