Talk:Riven/@comment-34692686-20180214062257

I see a lot of comments here about Riven being OP and braindead and how champions that are cheesy like her take skill and high dedication to actually play effectively like Yasuo and Kallista.

They are both champions that require a lot of time to be put into them so that they will be as effective or average as possible. For example, a WW can counter jg easily thanks to his life steal, high health and effective jg clear early however a Ez jg has to gank early because his clear isn’t anywhere near an effective and so to have the gold income he need to gank early. What I’m trying to say herer is that WW has a much lower risk when playing then Ez but Ez can be much more effective if you gank properly and have good map awareness.

In actual fact Riven has a largest learning curve I’ve found in the game and when people say that her combo is brain dead when you get used to it well you are also incorrect because Riven’s combo kit is such a large number it wouldn’t be fair to say that she doesn’t take the time and dedication to learn it all then would it. In actual fact she has her strengths there’s no denying that but she also has her major weaknesses. Riven gets destroyed by a good number of champions and all of which take a lot less time to learn or master like Maokai and Garen they both counter Riven pretty hard and leave put her in a position without much counter play. Sure you can argue the strategies for beating them in lane like wait for Garen to Q a minion people don’t do that as you get into higher elo they hold onto their win condition for trades.

At the end of the day Riven is like a lot of other champions in the game that a lot of players complain about and that’s because of outplay potential that is in fact how Riven wins most match up by dodging champions abilities and in such wining trades. She is can snow ball when fed oh who can’t, every champion can be effective ahead some champs are going to have better snowball effects then others that’s a no brainer. Just like this having great snowball she also sucks far more behind then other champs especially with her not scaling anywhere near as hard as some champs.

At the end of the day people will always complain about champions and how they are over powered but if there are champions that are OP then the stats and such will show it. Obviously Riven’s win rate is lacking the ban rate or even the general popularity of the champion.

I this opens up some minds not just about Riven either but ither champions that are hated.