Talk:Black Cleaver/@comment-85.207.18.54-20120308115118/@comment-84.114.216.65-20120321115355

Rare enough to see someone with less than 113 def in a game (besides the ad carry. who might get a GA, boosting his def by alot). The ASPD isnt that strong, the AD difference between whisper and cleaver is 1 and a half long sword, which isnt really much considering you should have 300-400 late. Also keep in mind that you have to shoot 3 times before you get the full def reduct. its a decent item on noc or xin tho