Talk:VPBE/@comment-24890638-20140725134227/@comment-35229418-20140726190632

Yeah, weak and annoying at the same time. That's worse than strong and annoying because it makes trolls be able to annoy at the same time the allies and the enemies. I'm not saying she's fine now.

I'm aware of how Soraka ended, and how Lulu could end if not properly handled. And I really hope Riot finds a way to put both of them into the support role without a rework. But never played is better than played unproperly. I'd rather stop playing Twisted Fate and Skarner (my two favourites) than having to play them in another role while knowing their playstyle is annoying (for my opponents or my allies, it doesn't matter as long as it's annoying). I'm not counting into account champions that are probably annoying on purpose, regardless of their strenght.

About Thresh, the R nerf is a very bad one, but he will still viable (falling into oblivion=becoming unviable in my head). I'm sorry if I misunderstood and you didn't mean this. They have to realise that this not how he should be nerfed, but I can't think of a better way to nerf him (not saying that it's good). Probably what Emptylord suggested, remove the W shield while making the lantern give more vision and make it a bigger piece of impassable terrain.

The damage nerf really lowers The Box's kill-secure potential, but it can't by any means lower its escape potential. The slow's still untouched, and the secondary damage isn't so big to force a retreat. Unless you mean killing an opponent that's chasing you with the secondary damage, but that's so rare that I didn't take it into account.