Talk:Shen/@comment-155.69.2.10-20120705105946/@comment-4659726-20120707090259

First off, while rylai's does give AP. It does not give nearly as much spammable slows as a Mallet. 1.5 Sec every Q you use isn't very much. It doesn't work on E, and W, and R. Q is not enough every 4 seconds. This is counting if you have energy for it. When playing Shen you need your energy for your E, and W if they are focusing you, and even if they aren't your W helps you get your passive up again. Which means more damage. Which means more peeling enemies through damage and CC.

Range is fine if you are of the opinion that he needs to be able to chase down enemies by ranged slow+taunt. But thats why you get the initiator movespeed in defence and run movespeed quinits. You should be able to catch most enemies with that, a FoN when you get it, and your taunt which is a gap closer. Also ghost/flash depending on which you take.

As for damage, AP does add damage to Q and E. About a 80*1.7 ratio every 8 seconds. 136 damage. Meaning to get that much extra damage out of mallet, you would have to make 5 auto attacks. Shen with Wits gets over 1 attack per second. 8 seconds is 20*8 = 160. Not counting the damage from passive. That and they cannot escape this damage because they are permaslowed thanks to the attacks. Q+E combo is not ranged, as you will be next to the enemy if you land both.