Talk:Surge/@comment-569195-20111116222715

Lots have people have pointed out how good this is for characters that bennifit from AP and attack speed but what about pure AP or AD carries? I wonder how it compares to ignite. lets assume an AP carry. Surge gives 86 more AD at level 18, you probably have a Hat at that point so get the 30% bonus (does this actualy get augmented by Rad?) So that's 112 AP for 12 seconds. Not bad, ignite will do 410 Damage. So you need to case spells with a total of 3.7 AP ratio in that 12 seconds. Brand with 40% CDR could land, 3 sears, 2 conflagration's and a pillar of flame in that time for a total of 3.65 AP ratio. Very close. Now Ignite is true damage so you really have to look at what caster your putting this on to see if it is better.

It's pretty easy to see that at level 1 there is no contest, ignite is by far superior. I think similar arguments can be made about AD carries. Only A high damage carry is going to benefit more from this than ignite, good for Crit based characters. This item is defiantly an investment for long games.