Talk:Sion/@comment-24013185-20131219015814/@comment-8506165-20140114200536

Oda: You can play with a toxic buildpath badly and fail, but does that diminish that when done right there is no counterplay to it?

Cliffshadow: Not really. Most AP Sions don't even bother skilling E until they have to - arguably a mistake, but whatever - but at most they'll have 1 point in it for most of the game meaning that they get 1 health per CS. Even if you're a Diamond-level CSer and you consistently have 200 at 20 minutes, that's only 200 bonus health which is about... a Ruby Crystal? You're not going to be tanky from just kicking back and farming as AP Sion, I'm afraid.

With regards to splitpushing - Sion lacks one thing that all good splitpush champs have: an escape. There's no point picking him as a splitpusher when you could have Shen, who can Shadow Dash away if multiple people show up, and ult to his team if a fight breaks out elsewhere, or Tryndamere/Zed who mash down turrets much faster and have dash skills to get away if more than one person shows up to stop them. Sadly, "good duelist" doesn't always translate to "good splitpusher".

Blaisem: I've given you my thoughts.