Thread:NeonSpotlight/@comment-658634-20140528070852/@comment-3308937-20140530103714

Willbachbakal wrote: Feirund wrote: Also, why are you addressing me personally on a message wall that's not mine?

Because it's all part of one discussion...

Also, there's a difference between a discussion and a conversation and that difference is a large part of the reason that the old system that we're using now is superior to the thread system that we were using for this discussion.

The threads ended up basically being a couple of people replying to each other with random people sprinkled about getting ignored and passed by by the "big names" of the thread because the thread always moves in one direction, forward (or down, if you want to look at it literally). Posts that happened near the top get forgotten because the current conversation is always about the most recent posts.

In the old format we can have an actual discussion where everyone can speak their point and get their voice heard no matter how short or long their posts or what their dedication/free time happens to be.

Unfortunately, the old format got skewed in part because of people treating it like the newer threads, people like you Will. More importantly though it got messed up because of the fact we're supposed to be having one discussion, not 8. This is my fault because I should have been a lot more heavy-handed in the shaping of the thread, I should have undid Deshiba's edit that added the first additional sections.

The original "discussion" section, the one that I first posted in, is supposed to be the only discussion section. We're only supposed to be discussing what direction we're going to move gold efficiency in, with everyone putting in their input in main posts (no indents) and then having a little back and forth to iron out details and get specifics as replies under those main posts kind of like reddit where replies to the main post have one indent, replies to those replies have two, replies to those have three and so on and so forth, not have these 10-15 reply conversations throughout 8 different sections with each section being its own main post.

My frustration towards the original format being corrupted and basically nullifying the point of using this kind of discussion is the biggest part of what made me create the Willbach issue section, a section not just about Will but how multiple people are abusing this format and I just decided to use Will as the poster child, since he was the most obvious abuser in the way he pushed the conversation angle, make every little post a back a forth 10+ "us vs them" situation when that isn't what the discussion was supposed to be about.

If it weren't for the fact that this was already the third thread on the issue I probably would have leveled the thread by archiving the current replies in a subpage and adding them in a show/hide via template under the new discussion section. I do regret not just going ahead and starting over because now we're left with this giant mess of a "discussion" from which almost nothing of actual wiki use can be salvaged because everything is all over the place.