Talk:Morgana/@comment-5077844-20140723152831/@comment-35229418-20140730131246

I'm not complaining about her CC. I'm complaining about her shield and her damage. Even an unfavorable matchup should have windows of opportunity to counterplay the opponent. This doesn't happen against her. Take, for example, Morgana VS Thresh. As long as she has her shield, you can't do anything. Now, if you go with a hook, she'll use her shield, block your hook, and she can respond with a Q>W, which is a lot of damage. Everything Thresh can do is land a lantern to mitigate some of the damage. Then, you can't really use her cooldowns against her, because her shield's cooldown is almost equal to that of your hook. Like this wasn't enough, her shield's base strenght and AP ratio are ridicolously high, so she can even block a good amount of the damage dealt by supports like Annie.

So, counterpicking her isn't the optimal choice, it's the only choice if you want to have a chance against her without counting junglers. And even then, I only read about Karma and Lulu. It's not like you have much of a choice. Either nerf her or buff other supports. Not other supports like Thresh or Braum. Other supports that aren't even seen in the botlane anymore.

And anyway, her base numbers and AP ratios would still be too high. Like I said, compare them to Annie's numbers. They're higher, and Morgana still has more CC. Now, look at an AP assassin, say, LeBlanc. Compare her numbers to Morgana's ones. Yeah, Morgana's numbers are comparable to an assassin's numbers. I'm not saying to completely destroy her damage. Either reduce her ratios or her base numbers. But currently, having both of them so high on a support is ridiculous. And the "she should be a mid mage in the first place" argument doesn't work. She's still played as a support, and we're talking about her supporting role here.