Talk:Garen/@comment-3493296-20120329193057

I think Garen still needs some buffs, especially to his long cd's and his passive. If the enemy runs a big armor page, he is at lvl 5 already near to useless. Youmuu's is shit for him, cause active is useless and it takes up an important item slot.

First, they should create a new cdr+ad item, like with brutalizer+bf. sword or pickaxe. This would be a great item to go, especially on garen.

Second, I would lower the activation time of his passive to 5 seconds and increase the healing to 1%, that is still not much early and lategame nobody except mundo cares about regen anyway. Maybe the passive should also be only stopped if hit by big monsters or champions, not minions. This would force the enemy to stop it.

The 50% dmg vs minions and monsters on judgment should be told to only do that vs minions, so he can jungle.

Shorting of 1-2 seconds of his judgment and decisive strike, more important on his judgment, could help him aswell.

Finally, the cd of his ult is waay to long for what it is, remove 20 seconds of each.

This way garen would be either a great solo top or jungler with nice abilites to do ganks(they are similar to shyvana) and even great for counterjungling, so he could push his lane and then invade. I would love this changes.