Talk:Elise/@comment-3546228-20141218203212/@comment-25904283-20150116010223

Human Q % health deal damage base on CURRENT health. So damage from Human Q at the end of a dragon/baron kill is garbage. It's just the spider Q that matters, and even with that, in case of fighting over an objectives, timing Smite is still the most crucial thing. Her objetive secure strength is overrated.

Lee Sin has a better early game damage, much better counter jungling option. He is just as good as Elise in small skirmishes, while being much better in team fight for the whole game. I take a kick that can possible knock up several targets any day over a skill shot stun, not to mention that the kicker can actually do decent damage even in late game, while the stun bot barely tickles anyone.