Talk:Katarina/@comment-26359415-20150606174555/@comment-9705522-20150609221934

Yeah, there is a difference between Kat and other assassins. Hence why I think the term "assassin" is inaccurate. "melee aoe mage" is more fitting (this is the like of Amumu, Galio, etc.).

And as for your question, you have to realize, that her resets, if you stop her ult early, are about 1.25 per AP for every target of a reset, plus potentially about 0.55 per AP for every reset (assuming you wait long enough to proc every mark before applying a new one, and assuming you get the mark anyway). Annie blasts your entire team for 1.85 per AP instantly, and one target for 0.8 more. Oh and then she ticks for 0.2 per AP every second, and can use her abilities thanks to her low cooldown again. Oh, and, did I mention Annie also stuns your team? Yes, Katarina needs 4 resets to just be as good. Even then Annie will be better most of the time.

It doesnt matter under which circumstance Katarina ult. Either you made a mistake, or you can stop her ult easily. Period. Your entire team got CCd? You made a huge mistake. You wasted all of your CC? You made a huge mistake. So yes, CC is the ultimate answer. And its not debatable.

Now, for your "counterarguments". What stops her team from doing the same? The fact that you can make sure they wont stun all 5 of you. If they do, you did a mistake, refer to above. If one of you gets CCD, the others have a chance of stopping her. Its that simple.

No, I did not. Annie does 1.85 (instant proc of Aura) per AP damage to 5 people (assuming they are as clumped up as Katarina need it). Or, 1.85*5+0.8= 10.05 instant AP damage. Katarina does, assuming every resets dagger hits 5 targets, (0.65+0.6+0.555+0.4155+0.38+0.35)+(0.65+0.6+0.555+0.4155+0.38)+(0.65+0.6+0.555+0.4155)+(0.65+0.6+0.555)+(0.65+0.6)=10.8265. So, at 4 resets, she is just about as good as Annie (assuming Annie only gets a single proc of her aura, which she does not). Any amount less than that, and she gets progressively worse. This isnt even mentioning Annies 4 second CD on Q. So yes, I did the math correctly, you did not. Q.E.D.

Good question. How many are shut down by any type of hard CC? In the way Kat is? None. Some are somewhat shut down, but none lose 60% of their damage with the use of a single absent-minded ability. This isnt even "Katarina dies when CCd" (which is also sort of true), but "Katarina loses over half her damage when someone CCs her". This is not the case for any other champion (other than Nunu).

Just because you dont like the answer doesnt change that its the simple answer. You CC, you win. This is how Kat works, and how only Kat works.