Talk:Riven/@comment-24201437-20131122150308/@comment-3238314-20131123232534

regarding your responses:

"item dependency" - riven does well in team fights with only 4.5k gold, brutalizer + bloodthirster/hydra, because she has 4 dashes, a shield, stun + knock-up, and an aoe execute. as soon as she enters a teamfight, unless the other lanes lost as well, she's gonna get back into the game really soon.

"her movement speed is normal for meeles" - most meeles don't have 4 dash moves, and absolutely nobody will build zephyr + alacrity swifties. It's like saying release xin zhao was ok because you could just build 6 thornmails. There's a gold and item slot limit to countering with items and once you pass it things ain't good.

"you do realize that she makes LESS use of it compared to others because it doesn't change the speed of her dashes?" read this as "she doesn't need boots to have great mobility"

"her shield is 4th" 6 second cooldown, 3.6 with 40% cdr (brutalizer + ionians/zephyr + blue/visage", to showcase it's not hard to get it on her). Scales 100% with bonus AD which she builds at least 200-300 of, making it 390 hp every 3.6 seconds. It's been widely showcased in games that the shield is incredible at blocking damage and survivability. It's one of the things that makes her one of the few champs who can make plays 1 v 5 and escape with 3 kills (looking at bjergsen).

"might be true, but also avoidable with a dash or flash" - i think you mean it always hits unless you have a good dash, or flash - and remember, flash has the same cooldown as 4-9 riven ults.

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the cherry on top of the cake: "It's supposed to be an execute after all... Most are targeted, like Garen, Darius, Cho'gath" - all of which are meele. the only comparable one is jinx's, which is - gated by mana - has a slow start-up which means it can be dodged if you see it coming, and since it's slow, you have waaaaay more chances doing it - deals less damage close-range.

Riven is definitely still above the norm, and the least that should happen to her is less base movement speed so she actually needs to buy boots to keep up with champs that have boots, and a longer cooldown on that shield.