Talk:Talon/@comment-7785527-20130626184439/@comment-9533487-20130721210554

You can't get 3 shurikens without the Zed ult. Zed also can't outclass Talon's damage without using his ult, which is why I assumed you were taking that into account when you said that about the comparison. I left out Talon's passive when calculating this, if i recall correctly, but here's approximately Talon's damage and Zed's damage without ults, when both have built 300 bonus AD, Zed has 375 bonus AD, and Zed gets a passive proc on someone with 1885 max hp:

Zed = 2070 damage

Talon = 2325 damage

Please note that Talon's primary nuke's cd is in the range of 2.4-4 seconds, whereas Zed's is from 3.6-6 seconds cd. This damage calculation was done assuming Zed got the extra Q damage from a second shuriken, BUT the living shadow disappears after 4 seconds and might be on cooldown for quite a while. 1885 max hp is Zed's own lvl 18 hp.