Talk:Riven/@comment-8733289-20140128032418/@comment-9008617-20140201070056

'''"Garen DOES counter Riven. The silence messes her combos greatly..." - Godlove'''

Hey Godlove

The silence was nerfed awhile back. It's only 1.5 seconds at rank 1 and increases by 0.25 secs per rank. It use to be a full 2.5 seconds with only one rank making it a very one point efficient skill but not anymore.

'''"...and if Spin to Win starts before she stuns him with Ki Burst, she can't out-trade him. And Courage is a better shield imho." - Godlove'''

Courage isn't a shield and it has a high CD (24 seconds starting and 20 seconds at max rank) and mitigates damage and CC for 2 seconds early on during the laning phase and up to 6 seconds at max rank. Garen still takes damage to his health bar whereas Riven only takes actual damage if it breaks the shield (at which point it'll be up again in 2 seconds anyways).

Riven's shield has half the CD of Garen's courage early on and with a proper build will have a CD as low as 3.6 seconds and be up for 1.5 seconds of that (meaning it's only down for ~ 2 seconds), gives her spammable mobility, and is a shield.

Garen really doesn't do a significant amount of damage nor is he really ever built to do so. You can run the numbers if you want.

And like it's already been said by Swift and others, it really depends on what you consider a counter. Garen really can't shutdown Riven in lane and his E pushes waves making it an easy lane to freeze and farm for Riven. Ultimately, Riven just scales into late game so much better.