Talk:Alistar/@comment-27345878-20151205011639/@comment-27345878-20151205043828

Um...I just got wrecked by an Alistar in a game that didn't last very long(the other lanes were doing badly as well) top, with only a RoA. The guy has hard CC on every one of his damaging abilities to make up for the fact that his damage is MINORLY worse, and there are enough tanky mage items for him to survive as an AP mage I'd say, especially with a 50 and 70% AP ratio. Also while Lux's Q is slightly stronger late game than Ali's Q, her E would be significantly weaker, and honestly that's Lux's most used ability. At most Lux's combo(without ult) would have a 10% higher AP ratio than someone meant to be a tank...Also most of the champions you mentioned I'm pretty sure are barely used and are considered hyper carries(except Brand and Lux). Ahri is an example of an AP Carry that I was thinking of. I posted here because I was kind of salty about the fact that an Ali could literally just tower dive me and kill me at level 10 with no minions around, even when I had a 0.75 second stun and popup, with only a 3 min RoA, so I looked at this page to see his abilities and you can't deny the fact that those base damages are REALLY high for 2 skills with hard CC that can be used in conjunction with each other, and on a tank. Also Unbreakable Will doesn't ONLY remove CC and add AD, it also reduces damage by 70%...As for the heal, it's not THAT serious later on, but early on it's pretty crazy. I know that people generally have higher bases if they're tanky, but they don't normally have CC on every damaging ability with high bases to boot. Leona has 2 forms of hard CC, one is her ultimate, and only one is guaranteed. The one that's guaranteed is not that powerful either. Shen has one form of hard CC. It's also not guaranteed to hit and it does less damage than both of Alistar's abilities. Braum only has one form of hard CC(two if you count his ultimate) and it's definitely not guaranteed in a solo lane. It's also his only damaging spell outside of his ultimate. Tahm is the only one even remotely close to him and people use him in other lanes and the jungle a lot, but like the other tanks, his CC isn't guaranteed and it requires some setting up. No other champion I can think of has that high base damage(and ratios) with a hard CC on every damaging ability.