Talk:V4.1/@comment-3308937-20140115203350

I see a lot of people on the official forums and on reddit talking about Riot enforcing a meta with the turret changes and how bad it is. Most of the people though have not had to suffer through the horrible thing known as a 2v1 lane, the entire reason this change has been implemented.

As someone who comes from a time back before junglers were optional and there were more teams without junglers than those with I say with certainty that 2v1 lanes are awful to play and I have no problem with this change. Back in the day if you had a jungler on your team you pretty much had 4 champions to choose from, those champs being Morgana (maxing W first), Nasus (maxing E with a chalice), Cho'Gath and Gragas (full tank Grag because AP grag was like AP trist is now), if you didn't pick one of those champs you were basically guaranteed to not have any cs and lose your lane hard if the enemy team had any clue what they were doing.

It's worse now because of quite a few buffs to duo-lanes and some gameplay shifts like increased focusing on harassing and turret pushing and the whole adc/support lane composition.