Talk:Ziggs/@comment-1920011-20150313083331

Rushing tear into luden's echo works pretty well. The 100 base damage on echo makes his Q hurt a ton early on, when you don't have much AP. It also makes waveclearing really easy, since you're guaranteed to be able to clear caster minions in one Q. When you hit late game and are able to constantly throw Q's in fights, you will proc echo pretty often.