Talk:Elise/@comment-4979970-20130905082514/@comment-7967732-20130908192109

Vulnerable doesn't mean squishy. It is a separated target that if you can Cocoon, you + team can take down in seconds. What Elise builds then? Magic pen (either % or flat) so she is equally good vs a bruiser or an ADC. Most of the time, trying to kill enemy ADC will result in a cc chain lock in the face and death.

Of course pro Elise can survive teamfight (did I say she has to die in team fight?), but not by tanking all the shit like Nasus, Malphite, Sejuani could. She can assassinate one afer another, but good luck doing that if you jump in the middle of team fight at the beginning. With Elise, when to jump in and who to jump in is crucial. 1 full rotation barely kill anyone except support (unless you're horribly fed), thats why the 100 - 0 to me is bull shit. However, if team can wear enemy down abit beforehand, she can triple, quadra with ease.

Human W by nature is not targeted. Can be but not always be. Late game, human W is good as a poke before a big team fight, and that's why its slower speed is another nerf to her, as people can run away from it easier. W + spider Q also result in a weaker combo as the bite always hit 1st.

Finally, I think a "not yet lvl 30 who only plays normal where no one takes anything seriously" should not comment about champions balance, strength and such.