Talk:Riven/@comment-5077844-20141102214444/@comment-5077844-20141111191739

Urgot is still AD no matter how oyu put it. the fact that he is mostly built like a ranged bruiser doesn't change the fact that he is doing AD damage, scaling form it and building it to an extent (Muramana + Black Cleaver and maybe something else)

Also, you always go back to mention sustain-based champions and use that as a strwman argument for why Riven should have sustain.

Trundle, Vlad, Aatrox, YOrick and so on are all BASED on sustain. Constantly healing and so on...heck, 2 of them are using HP as a ressource, Trundle is a troll who's main characteristic (pre-VU) was that he had amazing regenerating abilities, and Yorick...Yorick is dumb, outdated and on the verge of being reworked.

ONly Cho'Gath could be considered not worthy of in lane regen, but then again, his whole kit is pretty outdated and needs some work.

Jax, Darius, Quinn, Mordekaiser, Rumble, Lulu are all champions who are palyed top but lack any form of sustain. Yet, they work (some better, some worse). The "everyone has it why can't Riven?" argument only works if she's actually the only champion to suffer from this. Imagine if they slapped equall high HP regen onto Jax or Rumble...or, god help us, Lulu. These would be out of control. Imagine Jax wouldn't have to get any form of sustain, even when he's doing badly in lane. He could use the 800 g for a vamp sceptre to get armor/mres and start smashing your face in while healing off any damage taken if he sits around idly long enough.

That's what Riven sort of did, pre-nerf. "I will slap you with mys double cc facefuck combo, shielddash out and heal of any remaining damage within 15 seconds, while you have to turtle under your turret and wait for me to dive you"...that sounds stupid, but it#S exactly how it felt.

Riven got ahead, and the lane was over. Towers wouldn't stop her, harass wouldn't keep her away, and overall, if you didn't ahve any form of waveclear you could say goodbye to midgame and hope that the other lanes were doing well enough to take her on.

Also, I've finally bought her, tested her vs bots, and i can see why she needs her shield to be this strong. It still doesn't justify how it can be abused early, in my opinion, but the scaling and the lategame CD is appropriate. I ahve to apologize on that.

My new point: give her energy. Make her passive return energy, like Lee's. Problem of nobrain faceroll Riven solved, welcome smart ressource management.