Talk:Graves/@comment-15020375-20140910024107/@comment-8468980-20140919055215

I'm not sure they want to bring him in line with hypercarries, since he's not meant to be Vayne, Trist, Kog, or Twitch. He's supposed to have a strong laning phase that allows him to shove enemies out of lane or kill them outright. But if he cannot take advantage of this strength then he gets out scaled.

The problem is that he doesn't particularly do this very well even when lane bullies ruled the meta bot lane he never stuck out at all. I mean, honestly, Twitch was never considered a lane bully and then all of the sudden he surged in popularity after his VU, yet Graves hasn't been used to success in years.

His kit got absolutely nuked. Spell damage, AA range, base stats, stat growth all of it got nerfed and only some of these nerfs have been reverted. It's funny, Lucian, who performs a similar laning bully role, got to rule bot lane unopposed for virtually a year before they actually began nerfing him, but Graves got a month before they started to shell him.