Talk:Udyr/@comment-24241164-20141012174715/@comment-24057740-20141023115138

skarner, trundle and jax are completly different than Udyr with madstone. They have all easyer time to close gaps (or more cc when closed the gap(skarner)). But they don't have this amazing cleartime in the jungle.

Jax = Hypercarry that needs items to scale into the game.

Trundle = Antitank with no spead compaired to udyr (walking and cleartime)

Skarner = CC Bruiser. Really sticky but no dmg compaired to udyr. Never ever do madstone with him.

I was in a game the enemy got an Udyr farmin in his jungle. It was arround the time, the new SotAG got intruduced. I was Nautilus. Normal game. At first my ganks screwed the enemy team and i thought it would be a very easy game, couse Udyr never ganked. But until he got boots and madstone, he farmed the whole jungle. I couldn't get a single buff and was proud i even got the golems in my own jungle. He just cleared everything and you can't stop him. He become more tanky faster and did more dmg. I ward every jungle entry to stop udyr from doing that. but he just didn't give a fuck and run through our jungle, killed my uncoordinated teammates that tryed to stop him, and when he couldn't fight us (to low/many enemys) we could do nothing to kill him, couse he was so tanky and fast. He gimped me so hard, that despite the early lead, i wasn't tanky enouth in teamfights, and even my other teammates suffered from loosing farm and buffs so in the end we lost the game.