Talk:Rammus/@comment-3493296-20140802133701/@comment-6000413-20140811160724

He needs more penetration than AP. Thornmail, sunfire, sorc boots, abyssal. That's all you need to kill carries. Zhonya's trick is nice, but unnecessary, since you deal so much damage when they attack you. And really don't take much. Even with LW you have around 200 armor, thus taking 33% damage and reflecting 30%+125 with each hit. Assuming 20% LS you deal more than 20% of their damage +125 each time they hit you.

Fulltank rammus menas with HP items to better expoit his natural defenses and that is for teams with very good damage, to disrupt and protect.