Talk:Veigar/@comment-16359757-20130909020342/@comment-5761259-20131110084037

I go q e q q q r w q e e r e e w w r w w. You really don't do enough damage with a level 1 w and no AP, plus it's hard to land without E, so I don't get it till 7, or 8. You definitely want to max e first, though if they don't buy tenacity at all, consider getting it to 3rd rank and then going w since it's long enough to easily land w at that point.