Talk:Vi/@comment-9705522-20131006105729/@comment-9705522-20131007163749

err no. you wont outsustain her. 250 armor, randuins active and passive. simply put, the situation is you, as an adc, have 25-35% of your hp, less than half of your ms, 50% of your armor left, and no escapes or only a shortrange escape. vi has 130% ms, 90% of her hp, aka about 3600, and still a crapton of armor. vayne might kill vi in some situations, but not in this one. cait has no chance whatsoever. corki neither (short range, no cc, good luck dealing with vi without escapes). in that fight vi wins. you cant kite her, since you are too slow and she has randuins. you do outdamage her in terms of pure numbers, but guess what? she has more than 4 times your hp. she will kill you or force you out. i consider 800 hp low. why? well, when you have 400 you are technically probably dead. with 800 you can survive but not fight. especially with our assasin/burst mid meta. as for with a ward, yes, she might have to dive you (key word being might), but most of the time, no. early on you only have tier 1 boots at best. 1525 range is a lot (as a comparision, its about half of luxs ult). and, depending on the ward, there are 2 ways you can go about ganking. lets take top lane as an example. 1, close ward in the small brush or tribrush. just charge q before going into the sight range, go a bit into sight range, and q ult. range is more than enough to get him without diving. ward placed a bit further, even better. charge q and hop through a wall to bypass wards. old strategy, works every time. as you might guess, warwick cant do that. and im afraid you are missing the point. i dont call her op. because, purely technically, she isnt. she is the worst design in league though (after reevaluating their kits, i have decided that vi is actually worse than lee. so yeah, shes number 1 now), with having no stat counter, and her ult having, as mentioned, no counterplay.