Talk:Graves/@comment-5955640-20151112064643/@comment-5955640-20151112214042

I have an update. I used a Fiddlesticks support with a Graves' Marksman and the in lane results were better than expected. Against a Jinx and Thresh it was actually a fair fight between the close upfront damage graves has and the sort of crowd control that makes close quarters combat painful against a fiddlesticks.

It instantly fell off when the laning phase ended. My graves rushed Essence Reaver and built several Dorans and greaves.

This is in opposition to my diagnoses that you painfully need AS to play Graves as a marksmen now and not just a couple items either. You need some of the best AS runes, masteries, and items can buy to get the most out of buckshot otherwise trading is impossible and that's what it came down to. Jinx just had an easier time scaling into the game.

Just before we started losing he considered Graves to be broken and in need of a nerf. I disagree on that sentiment. The match I had before where we had a Graves Jungle went well but at that same token bottom didn't need a gank so it's hard to say how good a jungler is until they manage a pressured laninig phase.