Talk:Nocturne/@comment-5112222-20130222034556/@comment-217.83.187.47-20130225132339

PD > unique passive is a waste because of your Q passive; crit is wasted if you do not have other sources of crit and enough AD

Tri- Force > Noc cannot proc sheen all the time and AP is a waste in him

Hydra > i would only recommend it if your team has strong AoE's and you want to assist (e.g) Miss Fortune and Amumu to kill all enemeys at once

you can also build |Randuins|  if you don't have a Frozen Mallet and need enemey AS reduction + AoE slow;  |Atmas Impaler|  can be great if you have much life (it also has a GP5 part which can be awesome if you realize at min 20 or earlier that the game will drag on till ~ min 50),  |Spirit Visage|  (I'm not sure about the name: MR, CDR, HP, uniquie passive: all healing effects, regen, ... get increased) > great synergy with BT and healing champs (AD Sion, Soraka, ...),  |Youmuus Ghostblade| ;  |Frozen Heart| if 3+ people of the enemey team rely on AA to deal damage and no one of your team builds it,  |Banshees Veil| or the item tham removes debuffs from yourself (AD + MR + unique active: remove debuffs + offering a very short MS buff if melee)

ahh - you didn't mention wriggles lantern ;)