Talk:Vayne/@comment-173.27.66.90-20110715002306/@comment-3165723-20110722074406

Okay to every genius that thinks they know what they're talking about, a champion's ability to be killed has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they are OP. So stop using that argument and come up with something that actually matters. The second poster has it right. Sure, stun and focus will end her, just like...hmm...any other champion in the game. The point is that if the Vayne is remotely intelligent, she won't be in range of and deadly CC unless she's killing you. She has a knockback (on a ranged champion? great idea, not imba at all) which makes getting close to her impossible if she knows what she's doing (sorry Udyr) and a stealth that also repositions her AND greatly enhances the damage of her next attack. Oh, let's not forget about her Health scaling True damage (great idea RIOT) and passive that makes running away impossible (a Rammus that can actually kill you). Sure, focusing her down with a stun kills her, but the fact that she puts out an unbelievable amount of BOTH burst AND sustained damage ON TOP of being able to stealth and reposition herself in the same attack, making it FAR more difficult to handle her, AND knockback/stun anyone getting too close is ridiculous.

Her entire kit is what makes her op, no individual ability does it for her (though her Q is really trying hard to), it's her entire makeup that makes her OP. Having so much damage while being hard to kill/approach/run away from is stupid. Sure she lacks the utility of other ranged carries, but it doesn't really matter does it? She can outlane pretty much any champion not almost completely dedicated TO laning (like Heimer and....pretty much no one else that i can think of at the moment) while also scaling REMARKABLY well into lategame, even if she doesn't have many items. A carry not heavily dependent upon items? I know, right!?

Please don't throw your "stun and kill" crap at me, it's a useless argument. A champion isn't OP because they're unkillable, they're op when they are doing either too many things too well or one thing remarkably well, she's a good contestant for both.