Talk:Garen/@comment-26433263-20150924155138/@comment-4542190-20151001110934

To get the 30, you need 120 cs. This, even assuming you have Faker's mechanics at last hitting won't be anytime soon in the game because of many factors: trades with enemy top laner, ganks, potential roaming/teleport to help other lanes etc By the time you reach 30, you would have more armor and magic resist from old passive. I told you I had 30-40 on both the moment I put a point in it due to my setup. And Garen (imho at least) needs 1-2 offensive items at best to do good damage. Black Cleaver (kinda core on many especially Jugs) + one of choice (Youmuu's for me).

The reason I don't like the new w isn't only because of that though. It is because it falls in line with pushing Garen to scale into late-game: passive becoming really strong, Judgment reaching max spins/ticks, Courage more duration etc Together with his stats nerf, Garen is much weaker early now. Old Courage gave you a solid early/mid game. Now some games just won't allow you to reach that late game again, for various reasons (not simply because your early game got ruined in lane, since you're weaker early now). Others are strong in all phases of the game (like say, Darius).

If it had no cap and kept going, like Sion's w (infinite life) maybe I'd have a different opinion (not radically different but maybe I'd come to.. "appreciate" it more).

Again, I'm ranting here cause Garen has been my most fave ever since I started playing the game.

Anyways, I have to go eat now. Have fun playing and enjoy Worlds :)