Talk:Veigar/@comment-4167645-20150301033537/@comment-7095057-20150301185752

I dont disagree. I wass more pointing out that we know Riot doesn't like counter play, so I can't see them doing anything to make his w harder to see just so it can land easier.

Sure his W may need better hits, but if we're going off getting him off of relying on his E I would honestly say he needs a few quality of life changes then. The easiest I can see that happening is tweaking his now somewhat outdated passive (As much as I dont want to build a morrellos on him, it might be needed).

If they want his kit to be geared to burst people, his passive should change (potentially) to compensate. All it does right now is help him in lane, which by this point you can get double doran rings and a tear and have the same benefit. Im not sure what we could change it to to keep the theme, and admittadly the only thing I can think of that be usable without drasitcally changing his is giving him a "cass treatment" of sorts, altering his passive to scale off his Q stacks. Something similar to the following:

For every Q Veigar lands, he gains a Stack of Equilibrium. These stacks give Veigar permanent bonus stats (That isn't AP) as the game goes on:

-25 = 1% mana regen per missing mana

-50 = Q range increased to 1000

-75 = 5% move speed

-100 = W delay is decreased to .5 seconds

Stuff to that effect with the cap scaling being at 150 stacks. I dont see that as viable but I dont see a better balancing tool. They clearly dont want to tweak numbers, and if they shorten W or E they give too little counter play or make him far easier to use. Giving added effects like a slow to Q just be silly (Workable but it frontloads a lot of stuff onto one skill). As a result the best thing I can see them doing is reworking his passive to benifit him more.