Talk:Fizz/@comment-25940261-20150519130353/@comment-24036535-20150523024642

@Odaswifteye, do you not consider it bad when an assassin with four damaging abilities including an initiation on his ultimate can kill a squishy with only two abilities, when neither is his ultimate?

I'll cede that no, Fizz can't W+Q for a kill unless he's fed, but he gets the enemy carry down to low enough health he can finish them with his W's followup AAs. Or he can just E to kill them.

My issue with Fizz, is that Riot added the damage amp on his ultimate, but then made it so he doesn't exactly need it either. I mean, his none ultimate rotation is 240% of his AP plus his base damages (assuming Lich Bane and Luden's Echo), mind you, it's only 195% if his W active doesn't stack with W's passive, which doesn't make sense.

My suggestion is to remove some of the scaling on his E, and increase the CD, then you can bait it out with abilities that actually have longers cooldowns than his E. I'd be fine with him either keeping the low CD on his E, but losing a lot of damage, so he can't kill a squishy without his ult unless he gets in a few AAs, or allow him to keep the damage but significantly increase the CD so that he has to use his escape to kill a squishy if he doesn't want to use/misses his ult.