Talk:Gragas/@comment-15020375-20131209230504/@comment-24035310-20131210202006

If you ever play him you'll see that his q isn't that smooth (unless you're facing 330 base ms lane opponents) and using e agressively without both sides warded might cost your life if not playing vs jungle Sona. 7 sec cd e with 40% cdr is what used to be his 0% cdr b4 nerf. The damage is nice but I will most likely find myself using it to escape chases not using it to chase people down. I might not be building him right, nor abusing his new pros BUT he's far from strong. Kata,Lb,Kassawin,Ori (if played well) and Fizz are what I may call strong. So pls leave my fatman alone, he's got hit by the nerfbat too many times. He's balanced now.