Talk:Thresh/@comment-24992423-20150522030531/@comment-5955640-20150602181634

He has a worse disengage than Janna and Lulu, he doesn't tank better than Braum or even Alistar (the latter who peels infinitely better than him, and the former who can literally block attacks for people).

His engage is dependant on him grabbing someone. Pretty useful in lane but it's falls off in being the most effective engage in comparison to Leona's ult or any long range travelling CC, again thresh has to be in auto attack range to do damage seeing as Flay is weak and his grab is the only other reliable damage he might inflict on you (it was a lot stronger on release but was nerfed) ontop of that Thresh's ult is really poor for damage as well espescially after the nerfs he got to it's walls damage after the first target gets hit. Someone like Sona ends up having a much more tradeable poke as she out ranges him and actually has a harass spell with sustain to walk off his attempts at dealing damage.

That's nothing to speak of Annie or Fiddlesticks that would bully him and his marksmen for being too close.

There is no etc. His utility is that he grabs and pulls people from one location to another. He doesn't heel. He has only a slight push in a direction in a flimsy box for peel or trapping.

He doesn't heal. He doesn't have a long range harass spell. His shield can only be applied on one person and scales very poorly from AP (which you won't be building anyways).

It's really just the grab and pull you'd be silly to think otherwise.