Talk:Heimerdinger/@comment-87.155.109.101-20120726175934/@comment-4843765-20120726192108

It's pretty sad, really. Zyra serves to highlight Heimer's terrible position in the League. Now I know that Zyra and Heimer are pretty different but since they can both spawn minions it is worth comparing the two.

Plants are simply better than turrets. Anyone who denies this is delusional. Although plants last 10 seconds, they have the same pitiful durability as Heimer's turrets so durability is meaningless. Additionally, plants cost far less mana --- you can spawn two plants for 95 mana while it costs Heimer 110 mana to place just one turret! --- and are more spammable --- assuming you have no CDR other than passive and masteries (so 24%), Zyra gains a seed every 10sec while Heimer gets a turret every 19 sec.

Here are other ways in which plants outclass turrets: intellegence (they prioritize champs), range (I have no numbers but from anecdotal experience plants appear to have higher range than turrets), can proc spell vamp and rylai slow.

So what have we learned? Heimer is in a terrible spot and is easily outclassed by a large majority of AP mids. Heimer needs help, Riot. Please RUSH.