Talk:Udyr/@comment-209.171.168.129-20120125001156

I got him a few weeks ago and read several guides that stated how superior Phoenix Jungle was... I struggled for days having mediocre score and mediocre team utility imho.

Then, before giving up on him, I tried Tiger jungling. I went from having pretty much all bad games, mostly great games and great team utility. Yes, I am slower to clear jungle. However, what I found improved the most by switching to Tiger was my team fight presence mid-late game.

Basically you Q, then switch to E to stun 1 or 2 enemies. Then switch to W to try to survive until you can Q, E, W again. What does phoenix brings to team fights? 55 magic dmg/sec and a moderate burst every 3 hits? I'd much rather burst in 1 hit, then switch to bear form to stun enemies and protect my team mates, than staying in Phoenix doing mediocre AOE damage and not stunning anyone.