Talk:Riven/@comment-5045559-20121205155354/@comment-4834593-20121206212322

(I'll point it out here, this ended as a lot of rant)

Her kit fits perfectly to her, and reworking it would totally ruin her. I'm not saying it fits perfectly to itself, but it fits to what Riven IS, to what her lore, her quotes, her judgement, her EVERYTHING, even fan fiction tell what she is (there's a damn good fanfic story about Riven out there...).

If you mean that people playing her are really good or really bad, well, that's not because she's hard to play or very rewarding once you get the hang of something, it's because people are DUMB. They think "fighter", so they build Frozen Mallet, Warmog's Armor, Randuin's Omen, etc. Or they think "A passive that makes autoattacks deal bonus damage after every ability", and they build Trinity Force. They are just straight out too stupid to think for themselves (I have to admit I once was too...), look at those scalings, and build DAMAGE.

Not only damage though. Just damage to start with. Then a Guardian Angel, so that they won't focus you. And then just whatever you need. Damage, health, magic resist, maybe there are even good armor items for Riven (would have to think), and so on.

Once people stop being dumb, she needs to be nerfed. It's not about getting the hang of her, like with some champions (eg Lee Sin, Irelia) is the case, that they're very good or very bad because they have it in their fingers or not. Riven isn't about having it in the fingers. It's about being brainless or not. And THAT'S why she doesn't need anything changed, except nerfs when all those noobs stop playing her and she is in free week rotation a bit less. When that happens, yes, her Q and ult will need some nerfs, maybe also an increased cooldown (1-2 seconds) on W and E. But as long as people are dumb enough to build Trinity Force or Frozen Mallet as first item, nerfing her is a bad idea. Just becuase the chance of getting an allied Riven that seems to be trying to get a record amount of deaths within 20 minutes is TOO BIG. It's either playing Riven every single game, wait until people either play her properly or not play her at all and nerf her, or do nothing. You can't nerf her before those bad players stop playing her. Just because they see the good players owning with her.

Okay, that was a whole lot of rant.