Talk:Katarina/@comment-24621775-20150526012829/@comment-9705522-20150527145900

Alright, first to the guy using win rates. Sorry, win rates are not extremely accurate to judge a champions power. Especially when you do it cross-regional, when you should know Brazil has the tendency to always ban Kat for no particular reason. So yeah, its actually extremely inaccurate. It also judges on arbitrary number in a role where the actual job varies a lot.

Same goes for you, Braum guy. Win rate does not equal power. So judging power by win rate is inaccurate. Now that thats out of the way, lets go for the arguments that arent based on a false idea.

First, Ludens Echo. Ok, this might be a shock, but, ... the item is bad on her when rushed. Allow me to be more precise however. This is an item you wont build early because it doesnt fit. You shouldnt build it first, because you delay your zhonyas and your rabadons. And when you have Zhonya Ludens, its much weaker than Zhonya Rabadons is. Now you also need boots and Void staff at this point. So thats 4 item slots gone already. And now you want a defensive item, like Banshees or Randuins or GA. So, 5 slots gone, no room for Ludens. Now, at the 6th item it is worth picking, simply because you dont really have a better alternative.

But thats a full build you wont expect to see on Kat a lot. Not only that, but compared to the old DFG kat (in the non-tank meta), its a lot weaker. And yet Katarina wasnt considered a problem back then either. Except by bad players, but thats a story for another day.

Now, "she could instapick enemies with DFG without needing to ult" ... yes and no. The trick here is that she could, if she was ridiculously fed the enemy was squishy and behind and without a defensive item and without protection. Otherwise she couldnt. The trick here is that her QEW damage is not high. 1450 with a full build before MR is applied. Thats lower than even base HP. And with Ludens Echo that doesnt even change. So yeah, she cant kill your ADC without her ult (and she needs quite a bit of her ult, too). Unless you are so far behind that any AP would 2 shot your ADC.

And also, Ludens doesnt increase damage much. 100 +0.15 per 4 spell casts. Meaning in a QEW rotation, once. Not much actually, is it? Its worse than Lichs bane. And noone picks Lichs bane on Kat.

As for Katarina being the "queen of 1 mistake 5 deaths", plain and simply wrong. She is the queen of "ridiculous amount of mistakes, most importantly not stopping her ult, 5 deaths". But thats fine, because its easy to do so.