Talk:Riven/@comment-26203093-20160811142748/@comment-26203093-20160815072411

She already controls the fights enough with her dashes and cc and general play pattern, increasing the duration W too much would make that beyond frustrating in the matchups she already counters, and might even make her strong against setups she isn't supposed to. Still, since it's the combination of burst and CC that is a problem, and she sacrifices one for the other based on ranking, maybe it won't be that much of an issue.

At least it won't be as bad as when leblanc had a silence on her Q, and you not being dead YET was just a technicality.

But you're not taking in my point.

I never argued that W should be taken over E or that it should be in a state where it is. I'm saying with her natural ranking order, increasing the CC W isn't an issue so long as she is making a trade for it. Which she already is, which is why she isn't ranking it  early.

In terms of winning team fights by flashing in and W  - Her dashes don't exactly send her flying across the map, so you'll see her coming way before she can do that, and she actually needs to place herself in the middle of her enemies. This isn't flash tibbers, her combined range of engagement even with the dashes aren't even half of flash tibbers. She simply won't be an engager, but yeah, she'll be able to follow up better - again, by sacrificing and deciding for it: E for skirmishes and extended fights - W for teamfight disruption.

And it's not more toxic than increasing her execution damage, when it's got the aoe that it has, since she already has team-wiping potential, and it's why they had a problem with her having the ult in the first place. Then they buff it.