Talk:Quinn/@comment-16477585-20130914005633/@comment-5266525-20130916034037

Don't come in here with the premise that you think Quinn is mechanically unviable and then proceed to give us completely irrelevant statements about how badly designed she is and how bad her numbers are. Face it - you're not here to have a debate, you're here to flame-bait every Quinn user who visits this page. Good job, you succeeded.

"awkward/rng based"

This is highly subjective. I find Valor marks targets for me pretty reliably.

"It has good range but the blind is quickly wasted if they're too far to auto attack you. It has a low base damage and low scaling with a fairly long cooldown."

This is a huge strawman. You bluntly state it deals poor damage overall... and yet you base its effectiveness off a Quinn player trying to use it for exactly that? What about judging it around its bestcase scenario of Quinn fighting another autoattack-based champion? Suddenly, the ability looks much more useful regardless of its numbers.

"the AoE reveal has a really high cooldown for only X seconds."

Part of the ability's power budget is in the passive component, so the active obviously cannot be as strong as some other reveals. But even putting that aside, its strength isn't in the duration. It's the ability to get an instantaneous update on surrounding terrain for no risk to yourself whatsoever. Where Ashe's E and Clairvoyance are like surveillance satellites, Quinn's W is like a reconnaissance team meant to assess the immediate terrain for threats.

"Her E... has a TWENTY PERCENT AD scaling AND 160 damage at max rank"

Don't harp on about its damage potential when you know damn well it's not what it's supposed to be used for. If it did high damage and still procced her passive, it would be incredibly abusive and would not at all be healthy gameplay for her to be based around.

"I guess they wanted a champion who could be there 30 seconds faster than any other champion."

You sure don't seem to appreciate the amount of ground you can cover in 30 seconds. Her ult gives Quinn map-wide speed even Rammus and Hecarim can't hope to match and the sticking power of Xin Zhao. Saying it doesn't do much damage is meaningless when you realise a) you are likely building as a glass AD and do not need your abilities to hurt people and b) you get to choose when you ult, so you shouldn't be using it to deal damage anyway.

Personally I do not like the execution and feel it could be removed without tarnishing her image at all, but that doesn't even come close to making her as badly designed as you insist she is.