Talk:Shen/@comment-173.174.230.50-20130101215927/@comment-78.48.66.117-20130106053901

I dont see why ppl still think shen would be op after all that nerfs. You can counter him with alot of champs or u just farm cause shen falls of in late game, he has no dmg at all.

Irelia is way stronger than shen in a 1vs1 same for a lot of other champs. And if shen should really use his ult sometime in the lane u can just push the lane get atleast 1 tower out of it and also start roam cause shen loses a lot of farm and he is also behind in lvls if his ult gank fails.

For a tank his base stats are really weak and he has no scaling mr. In teamfights u may catch 1-2 ppl with that taunt but after that u wont do much more.

The only reason hes still viable is his splittpush cause of his ult though he really is kinda slow even with sunfire cape.

@WOB Silas - I also played vs Elise a few times now and she is really strong in the laning phase. Her harass is one of the best in the game.