Talk:Elise/@comment-4902459-20121026123606

Also avoid spider form when vsing a brand unless you KNOW his stun is down, just played a casual game with mates and i was on 1000 hp, lvl 11, and had 70 mr. Brand had like 400 ap and was lvl 12 with 20 mr pen. He ultis and you just insta-die, the bounces all happen instantaneously because your spiderlings are all bunched up near you. So good to know, Brand is a strong counterpick to Elise.