Talk:Zyra/@comment-31044841-20180914095056/@comment-17711680-20180930035243

I agree with your concerns @FrostyShots, but such is the life of a Zyra isn't it? Ulitlizing Zyra's control to her fullest has always been hard especially this season considering all the itemization changes this season. She doesn't need items to do damage in the early game which is why she's great in lane phase, but it feels like you need too many items in later stages but can never have the gold for them. A few short list: Twin Shadows, Zhonya's Hourglass, Liandry's Torment, Rylai's Scepter Morellonomicon (oblivion orb), Void Staff. You still absolutely need the magic pen to unlock her full damage that's a fact but it feel like a trap to build Liandry's in a lot of games. The Liandry's burn is more consistent but feels less effective than before. However if you build Morello in full then it feels like you wasted money on a passive you don't need. It's a constant conundrum.

Anyway back to he build talk... I've built Rylai's after Twin Shadows and if feels really nice. Always having Rylai's slows inbetween Twin Shadow uses rounds the built out well and the total ap is still on curve as well (70+90=160). The problem is that you give up stacking magic pen which I've stated earlier to be the key to unlocking Zyra's true power. You can still build Void Staff third after Rylai's but there could be a need for Zhonya's if you get one shot too much or Liandry's if you did the build against a tank comp, the conundrum as stated before.

Also about laning Zyra's E, I know that you meant that you shouldn't rely on Twin Shadows to hit confirm your E, but I just want to say hitting Zyra's E is always a problem regardless of build. It's a slow moving skillshot that has most Zyra's damage in the early and mid game. At that rate we should just rush Rylai' Crystal Secepter so we can you our Q to hit confirm our E. Though at that rate there is another build I had in mind for a long time, but didn't think it would be viable but a certain midlane proplayer has made me think serious reconsider the concept. I personally called it the Twin Shadows Turbo build, but it's currently known as the Bjergsen Vel'koz build. I hadn't put too much testing into the build since Bjergsen's build came out, but conceptually it makes sense. Zyra's lane phase is already oppressive so adding slowing AA's to extend plant harrassment and hit confirming spells seems very strong. In this build, Twin Shadows as max stacks is only a 50 sec CD so its alway up at every teamfight and the AOE Glacial Lazers really put in work to slow the enemy down.