Talk:Muramana/@comment-108.172.56.105-20121211021505/@comment-68.109.110.108-20121212010730

1: Who in god's name would buy a manamune without a fully stacked tear? But tear, stack tear, buy other items (like DFG), upgrade tear into a straight muramana (or like a 700 mana stacked manamune).

2: True.

3: It gives you over 500 AP worth of damage on your ult with only a little over 2k mana (that means no other AP items.) If you buy a RoA, you get more muramana damage.

Furthermore, Muramana is broken OP on ryze, if you argue differently I doubt you've tried it. Tear -> Sorc -> RoA -> Glacial -> Muramana. It adds an absurd amount of damage to your Q and W, and seeing as ryze scales better with mana than AP, it's a natural choice when a normal build can put you in the 4k range. Nobody builds archangels on ryze, because damage > a one time shield on a tanky champ.

I don't understand why you think people build manamune, but they don't. They build tear, and upgrade it to muramana. A tear is a 700 gold investment for nearly limitless mana in lane, which isn't a terrible deal. Then they stack that, and get manamune with 700+ mana stacks.