Talk:Gragas/@comment-5185966-20131206010734/@comment-5955640-20131206015738

Yeah that would be pretty hard to do as Veigar. He as one of the lower movement speeds and the barrel moves up quick on ya. You'd have to predict when he'd roll it and just it by moving further in the direction he rolled it at you. He outranges Veigar by 50 on his furthest range move Dark Matter it's not a counter pick per se but it's not an easy fight.