Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-5763148-20131114013707/@comment-9705522-20131120154543

amumu? actually its kinda better. how often are ya gonna get the ult off on the adc too? like, your q will hit the frontline, and usually carries are further back. unless ya flash or something. and while amumu has an aoe snare/autoattack blocker, spells still work. and well, its easy for the adc to reposition after that. lees ult? forget it. also, other than that amumu deals a little max hp damage (though with how low it is its not that huge, you need 4 seconds to deal 10% max hp). and thats all amumu has. his ult, his q, and a little aoe damage. lee sin also has a reveal and his e, which is huge late game. jarvan is strong, but not as strong. black cleaver? yeah, like you are going to get black cleaver on j4. asides from that its also counterproductive, as you get diminishing returns. slow on w, which is one of the weakest slows. 35% for 2 seconds? or 60% for 4? which is also an as slow. 28% as buff, yeah, thats kind of little. your eq will never hit the backline unless they make a mistake. 700 range? how often are you going to get within 700 range of their backline without using eq? and ult then eq? thats a mistake. you just created impassible terrain before going on their backline, making it near impossible for your team to follow up, and you will get murdered alone. plus, even then its 1350. lee sin has like 1600. walling nasus and then eqing their backline? err, what? if you get within 650 range of their frontline already something is wrong, and then its still only 700 range. its not gonna be enough. or they simply dodge it. jarvan isnt true initiation. or rather, he is true initiation that is incredibly unreliable or only gets pseudocc. ult an orianna? she isnt going to die to you, and if your team tries to followup, whoop, orianna ult to the face. and while vi is a better pick (because she is the worst design, with a "guaranteed murder of the adc" button, jarvan is ALWAYS a worse pick throughout all stages of the game, in particular late game. hence lee being picked more, now that j4 got his eq fixed.