Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-5663427-20131108095849/@comment-9705522-20131113204937

err, i am a kat fan, so yeah. however, back then she wasnt played, and was weak. the thing is lee sins kit works in competitive, but that is kind of the problem. he has been nerfed a lot of times to this day, and he still is picked. its not the numbers. its the kit. the kit is problematic. it needs a rework. right now, he is average powerwise, but still stupid. as i said, its highly problematic. the only thing that kept him only above average is the fact that other junglers are stronger. nerf them, lee gets back into the top spots. nerf lee, and he will be back 2 months later. as we see again. j4 got nerfed, lee sin is one of the most banned champions in na lcs. number 4 i think. why? because again, his stupid kit makes it near impossible to balance him. either you overnerf him, or he will remain a top pick. you cant do anything about that without changing him. this is, of course, bad. as for you neyro....whatever, no, lee doesnt fall off. thats one of the 2 popular misconceptions surrounding lee. number 1, lee is hard. he isnt. he is very easy. hence him being the second most picked champ in normals and ranked. 2. he falls off. he doesnt. he scales into late game. he has high base damage and high scaling, which means he needs little ad to deal damage, his utility only becomes stronger (60% as slow late game is devastating), and his kick becomes more powerful in its effectiveness. his ult knockback is very easy to land. hit an enemy with a q, use q again, wardjump, ult. if the enemy adc was within 1600 range, which should be common, he wasnt out of position, but will still get kicked back. no, he doesnt fall off. who actually does fall off is j4, to some degree.

tl;dr lee sin has the second most problematic kit, has never fallen out of favor in competitive due to it, and needs a rework asap. but as i said, riot wont do one, too much backlash they would get.