Talk:Renekton/@comment-5009341-20120527212428/@comment-5009341-20120528191723

^u dont get youmuus? cause with youmuus u would have 51 armpen

yes, GA gives like 70 armor, but carries have lategame by default like 80 armor, so it is a total of 150 armor (which equals to 60% dmg reduction), with an youmuus u would penetrate the armor down to 99 (which equals in ~50% dmg reduction), hence armpen gets less and less effective, the more armor the enemy gets

lets reduce the armpen vs. ad/lvl discussion down to the simpiest fact:

1.66armpen vs 2.43AD at lvl 18

a perfect renekton combo: E1, AA, W, AA, Q, AA, E2

ur ratios(for 1 AD u do ... bonusdmg):

AA: 1

Q: 0.8

W: 1.5

E1: 0.9

E2: 0.9


 * -> so if u would be able to pull of an entire rene combo u would deal-> 0.9+1+1.5+1+0.8+1+0.9= 7.1 bonus damage for 1 single AD (without fury)

with 100 fury->0.9+1+2.25+1+1.2+1+0.9= 8.25 bonus damage for 1 single AD

now imagine u got some critchance on rene and one of this AAs would crit, this would result in another bonusdmg for 1 AD, if u build IE ur crits will deal +50% of ur total AD more dmg, so ur bonusdmg is further increased by 0.5

to sum it up: 8.6 without fury and 9.75 with fury

if solely compare the armpen gained by runes (25armpen) with the ad gained (flat ad quints and scling ad marks-> 29 at lvl 18)

so if rene had 29 bonus ad he would deal 282.75 bonusdmg to a target with 0 armor (1304.06 from base dmg->)

1586.81 total dmg

so if rene had 29 bonus ad he would deal 226.2 bonusdmg to a target with 25 armor (1043.25 from base dmg->)

1269.45 total dmg

while he would deal 141.375 bonusdmg to a target with 100 armor                            (652.03 from base dmg->)

793.405 total dmg

now arm pen:

if the target has 0 armor rene will penetrate 0 armor resulting in 0 armor-> 100% base damage: 1304.06

if the target has 25 armor rene will penetrate 25 armor resulting in 0 armor-> 100% base damage: 1304.06

if the target has 100 armor rene will penetrate 25 armor resulting in 75 armor-> 57.14% base damage: 745.18

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lategame: u can clearly see that 793.41 is higher then 745.18

flat armpen is only good if it penetrates a huge amount of the existing armor (preferable 100%), but if the enemy builds armor from the very beginning u will be doomed (many solotops start with cloth armor and armor seals, so that they have +50 armor)