Talk:Viktor/@comment-4167645-20120106033628/@comment-195.225.94.174-20120106183757

His passive is actually ok 54 AP from passive is a good thing, even when it takes a place in a slot.

And when you buy upgrade then you get more benefit, why should get this benefit for free? his spells are good (his AoE slow/stun is one of best in game). Why should you also get for free a chance to modify your passive?. Dont get your arguments, because they are dumb :/.

There is no champ that can change or upgrade to such an extent his passive (not even close to such an lvl) so why should you get such a thing for free.

If you did check the stats/gold value of this items, then you would see that they are more then worth it, and you would buy such items for every caster.

And dont even compare Bruiser to AP carrys :/ that's really... well not gonna comment on this.

Btw... Every passive is supposed to work with champs abilities, Shyvanna has a few secs buff for all spels, and Viktor has a constant buff for one spell - do you see the difference or not?. Or do you wont a constant buff for all spells on Viktor?.

I still dont judge that his OP, UP or what every (but i remeber that every noob cryied about "Ahri is UP" and guess what... But when ppl learn to land his W better then his extreem strong in team fights (because most ppl I see fail with it - just like most Cho's fail with Q or Swains fail with his W). And his dmg output when you hit with your W and Ulti is really big.

Right now from 1,6k elo on Eu West every one bans her (me to) because shes actually closer to OP then UP (shes stronger then morgana if you ask me - shes on the same lvl as fizz, xerath and kassadin).