Talk:Volibear/@comment-24951773-20170509090548/@comment-973379-20170615212520

Ok. May be damage is low now - I mostly played LoL from the start of season one till season 4 or so, and not that much later on. So may be in new meta his damage is low - then it should be buffed. Ok.

Juggernauts are subset of bruisers who are who have way more tankiness at the cost of low mobility and utility. They have both tank and DPS steroid. Like Nasus or Morde, they are epitome of Juggernauts - all damage and survivability, no mobility, low utility. "less tankiness and more damage than Warwick" doesn't sound like juggernaut at all. It's about fighter/bruiser or some diver... And it doesn't sound like Voli either.

You also said about Ursa and this is the point of disagreement - LoL don't need yet another "jump and kill with AA" champ. And not-so-tanky melee AA dependent champion without jump/dash won't work so he will have jump then. Now his early jungle clear is bad - and early in general, and in current meta early game matter.

(late he can do like 300 AOE DPS just by attacking a tank who will not go anywhere and chain-damaging his team, but may be in current game state this is low. Ult need to be buffed or reworked then. Just not into "single target AA fighter")