Talk:Garen/@comment-4929329-20120816023830/@comment-86.163.127.62-20120816183053

So frickin what? He is an OFFTANK, just because it crits doesnt mean it is necessarily a good item. You will get blown to bits in a team fight if the enemy team have half a brain, its like IE on GP, yes you will deal a shit load of damage but you will be nuked into pieces and if you really did want to pull it off you'd have to build very tanky first. They most of Garens stats just to have him slightly more AD Per level, and yes the minions dont break his passive anymore but 9 seconds for his passive to activate is A LONG time, rarely at any point would I be taking any minion aggro unless I was going into the enemy at which point HE would break my passive. And everyone keeps telling me oh his Q gives more movement speed right? 35% compared to 15% with LESS DURATION at level 1, far less, 1.5 compared to 4 and the silence being cut to 1.5 from 2.5 at level 1- this is a MASSIVE nerf to Garens laning stage when his late game isnt even that strong. Then you have Garen's new W which gives him damage reduction, CC reduction and % bonus resistances, thats good right? Except you dont get that free 25 armor and MR you use to get which was very important as it let you pretty much build glass cannon early on then head towards tanky items, not anymore since it relies on you already HAVING mr and armor. His judgement also got massacred.. I feel it deals no frickin damage nowadays and the slow removal just.. was retarded. I want to engage with my Q and escape with my E if Im in trouble because I will be dealing damage WHILST escaping and weakening slows. Now the slow reduction isnt even there anymore, putting all his utility into one spell was turbo stupid. Then you got Garens ulti being nerfed early on as well, as if his early game hasnt been damaged enough, 160 seconds on his ulti is beyond retarded.. It is literally 40 seconds away from being a karthus ulti at level 1 when it isnt even THAT strong.

Man I've played loads of games with Garen.. I hate the new Garen and loved the old one. His early game was immense so he would be massive mid game and late game, that was Garen. Urgot is the same, he is a monster early game but falls short late game, so it is a reasonable comparision to say that why dont they rework Urgot as well? All Garen needed to be viable was some small buffs, not this whole rework.