Talk:Riven/@comment-3486816-20110916233241/@comment-216.15.22.20-20110917151027

If by insane you mean really underwhelming, then sure. With no base mana, Manamune is only going off of its own mana plus the mana from items you buy. Even fully charged, it only gives 1350 mana, which is 27 attack damage, plus its own base 20. That means it's 47 damage for 2110 gold, while BF Sword is 45 damage for 1650 gold. Even with a Banshee's Veil and a Trinity Force (the two other mana items that might be okay on her), it's only going to give another 12.5 damage, meaning for 2110 it gives 59.5. That's about 35 gold per damage, while BF Swords are 33 gold per damage.