Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-4019444-20110714025939/@comment-3457312-20110714150403

That's actually close to viable and far from dumb. It's close to the common HP/Tanky-DPS Garen, but this build you suggest sacrifices a bit of defense in the more common builds.

Phantom Dancer can be replaced with either Ghostblade (for situational burst MS and important ArPen, and I think mostimportantly: EARLY ArPen with an early Brutalizer), or with something defensive like Force of Nature or Banshee's Veil. Phantom Dancer isn't all too great with Garen, survivability tends to be give better results for this champ. I'd even suggest getting MR Boots, the MR and Tenacity adds effective health and compensates for MS since you break out of stuns/slows earlier than those with Swiftness.