Talk:Udyr/@comment-5494818-20130718220802/@comment-8506165-20130719124903

I like to max Tiger lategame for turret pushing and general increase in damage output - not much point levelling Bear beyond 3 in 90% of games.

If you're building straight tank Udyr then going for Tiger early makes no sense - you're not really getting any damage items for it to scale off so it's just empty AS, which is nice and all but doesn't do much for your damage without some AD or on-hit effects to make it worthwhile. Phoenix on the other hand improves your clear and does respectable damage without needing to scale off anything.

But if you are going for an off-tanky build (say, chucking a Ravenous Hydra into the mix) then Tiger does make more sense even in the jungle. If I were doing that I'd go the Madred's route and get mercs rather than go Ancient Golem to make up for the slightly worse clears.