Talk:Garen/@comment-9172004-20130822150753/@comment-9172004-20130827153902

The Problem with Garens passive is that, not only is it under powered, it is boring. Don't you find it annoying to have to stand in a bush for minute while your lane opponant just lifesteal their health back from 1 wave? Garens a beast, and his E doesn't benefit from life style, so they can justify giving him naturally high Health regen anyway. If you give him a stun it renders the silence pointless. A stun would be funner for him because it makes his attacks seem more heavy hitting.

Also think of the possibilities that would open up for him in the jungle. His current passive is literally useless for jungling. Garen is fast in the Jungle and is very good at ambushing the other jungler. He would be viable there if he had a semi decent gank, which a stun would give him.

Also if you change his Q to have the same movement boost from level 1-5 then it could make his ganks a lot more effect while not making his gap closer OP. It would also give you the option to level W over Q because at level 1 the movement speed boot is currently pathetic. Change the W passive to give a % dmg reduction against champion baic attacks and you wont be stomped by ranged lane match ups.