Talk:Graves/@comment-14718624-20130807005103/@comment-7095057-20130807013832

The answer my friend is sadly pretty limited but Graves does well against the 2 hyper carries Kog'Maw and Vayne. He also can wreck Ezreal's face if he knows how to lane against a decent one.

A lot of people really misjudge graves burst. The problem is in this more "tank/poke" meta, Graves simply can't insta burst the support like he used to, or he can't murder the carry that fast either. Does that mean he's bad? No. He just needs a player who knows him well and a good support on his side.

While people may gripe at you, they will likely love you late game. A late game graves in Season 2 and in Season 3 is still a brutal force to be reckoned with and is largely capable of hard carrying his team. While other carries like Vayne or Kog have to rely on autoing, Graves can go up late game, and aim his burst on the Marksman or APC and demolish them before he cleans up the other team.

The current meta of tanky supports/junglers/top laners really discourages players from grabbing graves. I can't recall the last time I QRd someone with grave's burst combo and did more than 30% of their hp unless they were an Marksman or APC.