Talk:Alistar/@comment-27345878-20151205011639/@comment-5955640-20151205022748

Well lets just check to make sure.

Alistar's Q has:

higher base damage than Lissandra's Ice Shard but lower AP ratio.

higher Base damage and ratio damage than Karthus' Lay Waste but Lay Waste has a 1 second cooldown and is a AOE spell as opposed to single target.

higher base and ratio when it's not chained with Twin Fangs. When Noxus blast is chained with Twin Fangs it has a higher base and ratio and in both cases it deals damage over time.

The exact same level of base damage as Brand's Sear at max rank and but has a higher damage ratio and all his spells deal 8% maximum health.

A lower Base damage and ratio than the first target hit with Lux's Light Binding.

Higher Base damage than Xerath's Arcanopulse but lower damage Ratio.

Higher base damage than Veigar's Baleful Strike but lower ratio.

Here's the thing about Base Damage and ratios. When the Ratio is high the reward for building damage is high. When the Base damage is high you are being compensated for not building damage.

If Alistar doesn't build AP or Ability Penetration he deals less damage than any mage who is currently building ability power and that's not accounting for the fact that most mages have mana compensation and damage steroids.

When he does build ability power he's far less tanky because he doesn't actually have defensive steroids as unbreakable will just removes CC and it grants him attack damage rather than spell damage.

Alistar's heal is:

Weaker than Taric's Imbue but costs less mana.

Weaker than Soraka's Astral Infusion and costs more mana.

Stronger than Sona's Aura of Perseverance but costs more mana.

Stronger than Bard's Caretaker Shrine at minimum heal but weaker at maximum and costs less mana.

Only slightly weaker than Nami's Ebb and Flow; It costs less mana but doesn't double as a damage spell.

Alistar has the weakest heal you can possibly have in lane with the weakest scaling as well with only Sona being weaker in virtually all instances unless she's actually shielding someone in which case it might be equal. For the record he self heals himself competitively. He heals others for even less! On top of that healing minions is actually bad for the lane as it will preserve them and let you push. The longer you are pushed out the more likely it is that a jungler won't be able to help you and the more vunlerable you are to a gank from river and even from the enemy jungle entrance.

Alistar is no AP mage, he has to build tanky, and he has a terrible heal.