Talk:Orianna/@comment-4829762-20140206204403/@comment-7967732-20140213085418

You should not lose to a Swain of equal skill, ever. As someone that play Swain alot myself, Ori is definitely a hard match up (soft counter) of Swain. Her early zoning can make Swain miss a lot of cs due to his very short range (both AA and his E Q). After 6, it's a farm lane and Swain can't out farm Ori.

And no, Ori is NOT weak in any phase of the game. Her early game (especially pre 6) is among the strongest of all APC. Never ever try to harass enemy alot with spells, just zone them and let the AA do the main damage if they force trade. Very few can out zone Ori; among them Syndra (many balls > 1 ball), Ziggs (atm OP) and LB (well, everywhere she goes, it spells "STAY AWAY"). Post 6, she might need to be careful vs the mobile, huge burst bunch of LB, Akali, Talon... but by then, you should already rush a defensive item (Armguard or Chalice/Cloak), and her farm power still help her go through.