Talk:Veigar/@comment-25903301-20151004131604/@comment-5955640-20151005194913

How typical is it to go 40% CDR on Veigar? You'd be buying Athenes and Morelleo presumably. Well one of those items you aren't supposed to be buying because it's wasted mana, gives you less AP, and doesn't offer you any palpable magic resistance.

And then the other is more useful on sustained damage mages seeing as either Veigar is 100-0 on you or you just don't die to him.

Are their Veigar's buying Twin Shadows? You need to think about this. Lux's problem is that she's bound to CDR because all her Cooldowns are high. But Lux is a snipe mage support whose locking people down and nuking them halfway across the lane.

And even then, light binding has a lower cooldown and mana cost than Veigar's E not to mention that it does damage which Veigar's E does not.

8 seconds with 40% it's also 100 mana per cast. A full Veigar combo is 395 assuming he casts all of his spells only once in a teamfight. So that leaves him with 882. So now because is constantly casting Q which is 80 mana every five seconds and using W and E in tandem every 14-8 seconds which is 190 mana you will be forced to buy a mana increasing item. Possibly more than one seeing as with Athenes. Even with Athenes you will still run out if you do more than cast Q on targets because of his heavy mana costs on all his spells.

So he's already buying Rod or Archangels which are long game items that give you very little at the start. You would want to force CDR on him which are early game items with only CDR as the late game benefit?