Talk:Veigar/@comment-24343325-20150227043529/@comment-9705522-20150227205346

Actually, and this is something that confuses me, his Q was a nerf in every aspect other than poking. Double AP? You already got 100% or close to 100% fairly reliably. You cant double that. In fact, its the polar opposite. Since its less reliable, forces awkward positioning and can be stopped by the enemy you are going to end up not with more AP, but with a lot less.

This is not a buff in any way. His Es delay makes it close to impossible to stun any enemy, no matter how you aim it. That also makes W less reliable to hit. Less AP from Q and its lower realibility, coupled with the lower ratio on the ult (which they did because they for some strange reason assumed Q is going to give you more AP, which it clearly doesnt) makes his burst weaker. And as for compensation? Some minor mana and CDR buffs. Is it enough to offset the gutting of his utility, reduction of AP from Q, gutting of his reliability and gutting of his damage? Not in the slightest.