Talk:Maokai/@comment-4636093-20140218105437/@comment-6000413-20140218131116

I see the point of your build: you have good AP, some penetration and MR shred, some hp, defenses etc. But you have no cdr and no lich bane. IMO if you have CDR you can avoid LB, but without it I would not renounce the 100 +150% ap damage that comes from 2 LB procs. That's around 1000 extra damage that you want to deal anyway to proc the passive, while the extra AP from Archangel gives you around 200 damage on a full rotation.

I mostly use him jungle, where I go Spectral Wrraith, Roa, LB, shoes, Abyssal, situational (Zhonya vs high AD, Chalice vs pokes, Deathcap if there is another strong tank or Rilay if I need more HP)