Talk:Garen/@comment-81.51.86.82-20120814102309/@comment-4948122-20120814121646

Yo yo calm down brah,people overexagerate a lot these days.

First off his passive isnt stoped by minion agro,and is affected by cdr,so with a ghostbalde and a randuin its only 1 second more while not being affected by minions anymore.

His q as mentioned can crit...which is really good now,also the ms is the same at all levels,i agree the duration nerf is quite big,its for the better good of lategame,also +20 or 40 more dmg is really nice,the 1 sec more cd isnt much.Also the removal from E is imo quite good as you couldnt charge with judgement in a tf.Also the new 30% cc on w and the duration increase is awesome,really,this makes him almost imune to cc with a merc and juggernaut mastery,giving him 60% cc reduction.If you build Atma+Randuin+Maw+Mercs+IE+GA you can get 30-50 more armor/mr from his W passive,you also dont need to farm it anymore early,ya its 10 armor/mr less but its quite good that you dont need to farm anymore,and lategame the buff is awesome.Imagine full tank garen...imposible to kill now.

HIs W as mentioned has up to 6 seconds duration with 30% cc reduct,also has a static 30% dmg reduction which is awesome for tanking.

His E has actually 120 base damage at max level.Losing 260 damage overall.BUt you can crit for your whole ad ratio(1.1 actually) in aoe...which is awesome!I also heard it gives no unit colision.So whilst youll deal 100 less damage lategame,if you buy crit youll deal 200-300 more which is awesome.

HIs R i agree is good for lategame now.80 secs is nice whilst the early increase is quite huge,you gotta admit on riots reasoning,coming back in lane and then having it again just to get killed by garen again is quite frustrating.Also did i mention you can use Ult while judgement is on?Canceling it automatically?How cool is that.

Also note garens base ad is getting nerfed but the scaling is getting bigger.

Overall a decent nerf on early game.You can still rape faces early,but yoiu have a signifcantly better lategame,and can tank like a baws.

ALso E now deals 75% damage to creeps so you can farm better,though jungle garen isnt viable still.