Talk:Ryze/@comment-4579700-20120718233315/@comment-4659726-20120727065715

^ Correction, Veigar's ultimate is slightly less useful. His burst is still pretty high with his Q giving him free bonus AP.

And he probably still could 100-0 Ryze with or without AP on him lol. If it was mr maybe but...get voidstaff early like karthus, nuke ALL THE THINGS.