Talk:Thresh/@comment-7619298-20130411091206/@comment-7619298-20130412094245

I'm not saying that Hecarim is overpowered, because he does have the weakness of being a poor duelist as you stated and counter junglers really hurt him.

He should still be banned, because he's too strong in solo queue where you lack coordination. Better teams will abuse Hecarim early and counter gank every time he has ultimate up. Without his ulti he is not nearly as deadly.

Thresh however doesn't have to use his ulti to enable these "Hecarim-level" ganks and that's why he is overpowered in my opinion. No other support can turn your jungler into the best ganker just by being in the game.

The best option as a jungler to counter a Thresh support right now is to camp that lane and potentially waste your time, which leaves the option open for the other team to pick heavy lane bullies in top and mid.