Talk:Riven/@comment-8921599-20140105061729/@comment-9008617-20140109163039

I agree with Vi being kinda stupid (but so are alot of un-CC-able ults). Shyvanna has a lot of counterplay though especially since she brings next to no CC to the fight.

To properly do the insec kick (as in doing it all within a split second to prevent the target from flashing away/reacting) is pretty hard. Bronze level targets also have slower reaction time.

I don't know man. No matter how you argue it, I'm pretty sure Yi is one of the easiest champs to use in League. Yi's Q is a targeted skill (i.e. not a skillshot) and gives him quite a few frames of invincibility/untargetability, he gets a free heal, free AD/true damage, and his ult is straight-forward to use and since it can't be slowed it's great for escapes as well.

I do agree the basics of Lee Sin or even a rudimentary use of insec kick isn't too hard to get down and the skill floor to using both Yi and Lee Sin aren't really that different but there's no way the skill ceiling between Yi and Lee is the same.