Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-5764133-20131030153544/@comment-9705522-20131104143147

yes, he can go tank, fighter, and maybe assasin. support, debetable, more like utility unit. but guess what? how many of these builds are viable? tank and fighter. his base damage and scaling are waaaaaaaaay too low for an assasin (he has around 240 less base damage and a whooping 2.1 less scaling than lee has). utility unit is also kind of meh, since he becomes squishier without a lot of advantage. his kit in itself doesnt really help too much either. late game what he can do is maybe hit someone with eq (very difficult if they are playing well), use ult (easy to get out of), and then pretty much nothing. his base damage and utility are subpar. thats why fighter is kind of the most common one. lee is FAR more versatile. because not only has he more builds (tank, fighter, assasin, utility unit, and the actual support), he is viable on every lane (top lane jarvan is subpar, mid lane jarvan is ok, jungle is good, bot lane is subpar), and all of his builds are viable. tank? much more free utility and better cc. fighter? good free damage, and tanky enough and has sustain without building full tank. assasin? very good base damage, very good scaling. utility unit? he already has a lot of free utility, more and better than jarvan, and he can be squishy since he has high mobility. support? similiar to utility unit. jarvan actually isnt quite like that. when was the last time i saw lee? world championship. finals. banned first game, picked the other 2 games. semifinals. picked in every game in the match skt vs najin. other semi-finals, picked once. in fact, in the wcs, j4 was picked in about 40% of all games. lee in about 65%. season 2, wcs. jarvan neither picked nor banned once. lee sin picked i think 6 times and banned 3. all star show match. both teams picked lee. so yes, its the opposite. jarvan was picked sometimes, but not all the time, in several meta shifts he became unpicked. lee sin on the other hand always was picked. because he really is what he is. lee sin. the master of everything. jarvan can barely do half of his stuff. he can knockup, trap, reduce armor, and slow. whoo. lee sin can knockback, shield, aoe damage and reveal, cripple, deals missing hp damage, get a lot of lifesteal and spellvamp etc.