Talk:Kayle/@comment-94.65.45.37-20120831062616/@comment-174.112.213.38-20120904002736

Fair enough point on early game dominance. I can definitely see how she can benefit her team if she's built as a hybrid. However, Kayle dominates pretty much all of the common toplane bruisers, meaning that no matter which build, she'll always force the enemy jungler to gank top lane a lot. i'm not abandoning my team, I'm simply assuming that she dominates well enough no matter what build that they'll need to gank her anyway.

Also, I guess the AOE is much, much better on hybrid. I concede that point as well.

As far as sustain is concerned, I prefer lifesteal to her W, which drains a fair amount of mana. Granted, hybrid has the mana regen to be able to use it, but a zeal+double doran's+vamp will give you enough sustain to stay in lane while costing less than a nashor's tooth. If you wanted to add gunblade in, I can easily add bloodthirster, and ad kayle sustains much better. The only advantage of hybrid I can see is that you can give your allies +80 more hp than adc build, and that'll only come midgame, where you destroy your tower and roam. You can't roam before racking up a decent amount of cs, otherwise you'll get ganked every time you try to farm.

Just wondering: how much harder can hybrid kayle stomp over ad kayle?

In order to figure this one out, we need the dps of her at a certain stage. You're saying she can stomp better early game. What's the first item that you get on hybrid kayle and how much does it cost? Assuming she takes rageblade first, she'll have spent roughly 2300 gold. Adc kayle can take a zeal and two doran's blades with that same amount of gold.

At level 5, kayle's base dps stats are:

67.3 ad/0.72 base as                                                                                             (I think. Not sure how to calculate this, I just multiplied her base by 1.025 5 times)

40 magic damage onhit + scaling

With a fully stacked rageblade, she has

102.3 ad         0.9504 as    93 ap    113.005 magic damage onhit.

=209.7 dps

ADC KAYLE: 87.3 ad/    0.864 as/    10% crit/   average 96.03 dmg per aa/  70.555 magic damage onhit.

=143.92944 dps

There is a difference of 65.77 dps between the two builds. In a four second exchange, this difference is multiplied to a difference of roughly 250, 275 if you use q. Unless movespeed makes a huge diff, hybrid stomps a lot harder. The way I see it, 143 dps is good enough to stomp fairly hard, but if you're botlane is getting ganked too much or your lanes need a good roam, then go hybrid and dominate much harder.