Talk:Ardent Censer/@comment-5593561-20140607111358/@comment-6281696-20140609081031

Winning certain team fights is still enjoyable, it's mostly the laning phase that has been reduced to more or less a bullet hell in between the barrage of attacks and ridiculous damage in comparison to the defense most characters (and even tanks) have. Also, dota'd be even worse as as far as I understand that is even more burst obsessed. Weirdly enough, past the laning phase the unending barrage of attacks also immeadiatly reduces to just an occasional shot, not sure why.

As for Heimer vs Nidalee as support.. heimer has CC, Nid doesn't, Heimers zoning & sight is considerably better with his turrets (as long as they don't get oneshotted at least), heimers passive is quite supportive. I'd consider him more of a support than Nid, at least most of his skills have supportive use whereas nids dont, apart from a heal.

And meh.. I don't like this obsession with damage & wish the tanks, and especially the support tanks, would get some love. However I doubt they will as any decent item for them is likely to end up being a godlike item for bruisers (just look at the abuse Bulwark resulted in)