Talk:Heimerdinger/@comment-24.146.194.181-20120512071851/@comment-5052127-20120513234545

umm.. buying those 2 items first, you are already building AP slower than me, and that is well over 1000 gold you are spending on mana regen + life... not even counting the extra 500 or so you are spending on MR... So that already comes out to more early gold spent on 'not building offensive stats' than I spend getting RoA, and I get a LOT more effective health and mana for my money...

I can see the mpen on haunting guise helping, guise is pretty good for Heimer, but if you also get sorc shoes, you're wasting gold on a good chunk of that mpen against most champions since you'll pretty much be negating all their MR with only one of those items + runes & mastery.

And believe it or not, neglecting turrets gimps heimer's damage AND AP scaling insanely... If you just rely mainly on his 2 burst abilities, then you REALLY get almost nothing out of offensive stats. Turrets actually have the BEST AP scaling of any of his abilities and tend to do most of his damage, since they are each hitting 1.8 times a second after you place them (instead of only about once every 10 seconds), you often have 2 of them shooting at once, and at max rank their damage is multiplied because they become AOE.

... Also... since when do haunting guise or chalice allow you to bring any extra utility to the field?