Talk:Maokai/@comment-25306139-20150627170634/@comment-25306139-20150628094006

I do start E and place two saplings at the camp I'm starting. That camp is pretty much always Grump, so I can take blue afterwards. The biggest mana issues I have are midgame. If I have just finished my jungle item, and only have components to the next item. Blue is pretty much always given to the midlaner.

I do kinda spam my abilities to clear jungle camps, but otherwise I take alot of damage (and I want to proc the passive). And if I'm too low to gank, I' a pretty useless jungler :). Getting Trailblazer does help, but wouldn't (Stalker + Runeglaive) be better than (Trailblazer + Cinderhulk)?

I always feel cinderhulk does so little. Since it only provides Health, it doesn't really make you tanky. And the damage from the burn is less than the extra damage gained from the AoE Sheen proc or even the added AP. Runeglaive also gives CDR, further boosting damage.

In the jungle, I run 6/21/3 masteries, taking movement speed from utility. I also run movement speed quints, attack speed reds and the standard armor yellows. For blues, I run 6 CDR and 3 scaling MR. I tried replacing the CDR runes for mana regeneration runes, but that didn't do much.