Talk:Ryze/@comment-10258129-20130806084420/@comment-7967732-20130807220744

Banshee change doesn't hurt much. 300 mana is 18 damage less each Q. After several Q, you lose like 100 damage at most, which is not much by end game.

Abyssal actually brings more damage. It has an aura, and with 70 AP, each Q deal 42 more damage (compare to 18 from Banshee). It is ok if you don't need the HP or increase spell vamp ( from Spirit visage)

It is still the range nerf that bring Ryze to a very bad spot atm. His win rate drops to Olaf tier and continues to drop. He is atm one of the most UP champ in the league.