Talk:Thresh/@comment-24582296-20140223103654/@comment-6281696-20140224232859

Just tried it with a friend. My build: Ninja Tabi, Nashor, Zyona's, Thornmail, Randuins, Sunfire His: Maw of mortius, Botrk, Shiv, Phantom Dancer, IE, Hydra. Initially zerkers instead of Botrk, late game we just started screwing around and since he had 2 movementspeed items he didn't lose much.

I had full armor Runes & basicly complete defensive masteries. And used ignite & barrier (barrier is probably going to block more damage with a full armor build than exhaust would, or well, it will eventually, not sure where the tipping point lies) I'm consiserably better as him and he isn't good with trynda and hasn't got the correct masteries/runes. (e.g. he barely always used his ulti to early)

Basicly I was right. Early on he heavily outdamages me, so as long as he just makes sure he retaliates instead of just standing their while I poke him he wins. Hell early on my poke is so insignificant he could actually more or less ignore me just hitting him constantly. Only real threat is when I manage to pull him under my tower.

Mid game: Once he gets his ulti he just wins as long as he doesn't fuck up. Not even Zhyona's + barrier + Randuin + kiting are enough to keep me alive. Only real hope is tower hugging.

Late game: Thresh sort of starts to win, however it isn't very reliable and rather dependent on luck (e.g. his last AA hits 0.001 second before mine that sort of stuf)

- from this point onward any normal game would long have ended.

Later game: I now have 300+ souls, I can now reliably win, however more due to the fact that my AA's just start to hurt than that I'm actually surviving his damage.

Ridiculously late game: 550+ souls (total of nearly 900 armor) Thornmail & sunfire would now kill him if it weren't for the lifesteal, Q & ult. my AA's now hit so hard I can basicly force him to use his ult 2-3 seconds in which means he now dies quickly enough for me to be able to survive without needing zyona's/barrier but I still need to kite.

Conclusion: If Trynda is halfway decent he wins long before Thresh can really start to counter. As for using lich bane & Rabadon. You might be able to win reliably earlier thanks to the greater burst. But I doubt it'd be early enough to really work in a normal game duration. Also, Riot hates tanks as in the end I still don't win on survivability but on account of my own Damage (seriously, with ~900 armor I expect to basicly be immortal)