Talk:Kayle/@comment-25532677-20141229012228/@comment-1157851-20150107001321

Sorry I'm in EUW and I would accept only if no defensive item, Thornmail counters any AAer too much. Let's write the builds we want to compare here and let's wait some maths, the one I would challenge you with I think is: IE, PD, BotRK, Youmuu, AS boots and LW/BT depending if you get Zhonya or not, so you have about 15800/17000 gold.

@XidanesHatred With 500 AP I was talking about what you call not pure, I don't think to compare the damage of AD Kayle with pure AP Kayle is nice, I find DPS and burst incomparable because different at the base and circumstances where they are good. About her W, my "yes to everything" is to recognize your talk about the whole point of W with AP attackspeed, it's not underestimating, it's just it doesn't matter if you want a duelist. The rest of your talk doesn't need much corrections, it's a dangerous practice that I call high risk high reward, if bad positioning will get you burnt more often than not then just don't get bad positioning. But about this: "If you're doing solo-q, depending on your teammates to not waste your efforts, or to engage on your over aggressive and potentially backfiring habits is misguided. On a ranked team where everyone is actually on the same page, which is pretty amazing even for the pros, then yah, that can work out more often than not." can you repeat me, please? :x I'm ita.

"I said it earlier, Im not expert on DPS or AD. I could be wrong about the damage output of a AD or some sort of DPS focused Kayle.   I just have my experiences, what I've seen, and what factors can't be ignored.  I'm all for a good debate, where all the facts come out, and we can really evaluate how to make a champ we're all investing alot of time in, shine.  So please do come back with numbers, or whatever you can use as concrete or justifiable reasoning for building Kayle the way you build her." At the moment I could play her with every build on any lane, so no idea what you are asking me for... D: usually it's pure AP when support, AP attackspeed when jungler/mid/top and AD top/mid. To be honest, I hardly ever play AD+crits Kayle for the best single target DPS, if I want AD I usually go for a BotrRK+Runaan+LW. My reason is always to maximise her DPS (AoE here) and the problems are always the same you said, but you have to add her passive applied potentially to 3 targets. I think her W is the best single target heal in game together with Soraka, but I feel like there is too much potential damage and on-hit effects to lose if you don't go DPS.