Talk:Vayne/@comment-24896347-20150917005301/@comment-5955640-20150923035425

Another person leading the charge in such a way that the marksman is allowed to farm without getting ganked. That's a privledged situation. I say half and half that's when the marksman starts feeding or starts helping us throw matches by not being in fights while they farm.

Honestly, Annie can probably take Vayne alone. A single combo starting with Tibber's ult and an ignite and Vayne is already dead.

Never ran into a situation where several people needed to kill Vayne. Just two. A person that does damage and a support (or more likely a person that does damage and the guy that has a pink ward).

That usually does it. Conversely Vayne can take on multiple people if she has the right support and she's really sharp on positioning.

In any case the solution to Vayne having a bad laning phase is for her to be carried. That of course requires there being someone else who actually did well. That's not dependable.