Talk:Irelia/@comment-94.172.19.195-20111114155452/@comment-66.234.208.72-20111116191026

also, I will add that philo sell at 13 minutes is only possible if you have cleared EVERY CREEP WAVE with only a regrowth pendant and got enough gold to purchase the philo stone which would require bp, thus you lose out on farm in order to purchase one item. with irelia, considering the fact that most other solo top champs complete outdo her early game, clearing every creep wave would be exceedingly difficult as you will be facing heavy harass, so realistically, you will most likely get philo stone some 3-5 minutes after optimal time, which means that it will pay for itself at the 16-20 minute mark, which is very late.

So yes, philo sucks/