Talk:Vi/@comment-9705522-20131006105729/@comment-7095057-20131007160251

You're still forgetting a few things there, but perhaps it's because I've never faced a vi that couldn't be killed. If she built tanky, all it meant to me is if she couldn't kill me with her ult and burst, or drop me really low, I'd simply out sustain her right afterwards, especially with extreme damage marksmen like Vayne, Caitlyn, and Corki. With either of those champions, including Ashe too, the 4k hp gets nuked down in a couple shots (Corki's true damage and armor shredding, Cait's passive gives an EASY 1k + crit. Vayne is just the tank shredder, and Ashe with a Muramana is just scary). Add in the fact that typically you'd have 15-27% life steal, and 800 hp doesn't seem so bad when a couple shots can bring you back up to 1200 or higher. Once vi uses her E charges, she doesn't have the damage to out sustain my damage, sadly. Least not long enough to where I either kill her or have a dash ability up again and can kite.

In your situations:

A. if you're caught near the front of your team, that's a problem. You caused that by being out of position if Vi is in a position to initiate without getting instant nuked down by your team. Simple as that sadly. IF you give her a chance to ult in without Q or flash, something is wrong.

B. Low for me is under 400 hp, so I don't see anything else as that low. But I'll agree with that.

Now for your ganks. No ward is no contest yes but with a ward, unless you're so horribly overextended you can't back up the moment vi pops up on your map, then she should never be able to gank with her Q ult without having to dive you at your tower. Jungler comes into sight on the map, you back off, use your dash to get out of there, and force Vi into having to dive you hard if she wants you. No real argument there, and the only way that's countered is if the enemy team attacks and forces you to do an all in at the same time.

But this is just theory and the such. I don't feel she's overpowered. She's strong, YES. Overpowered? No. There are champions with far more damage behind their ults and skills