Talk:Graves/@comment-4636093-20160105203326

Required learning for anyone wanting to pick up Graves is to go into a custom game, stack mana and get blue buff whenever they're up, and just walk around the map spamming Q.

Q is too easily dodgeable if you don't get the instant return from hitting a wall, but hitting a wall lowers its range. And don't think that the enemy will be so kind as to stand next to a wall with you completely perpendicular to it. You need to practice hitting it at really awkward angles, aim too close to the wall and the range of it is lowered to the point that it misses entirely, aim too far away from the wall and you'll miss the wall and not get the instant return.

Since it explodes in the shape of a "T", if you're completely parallel to the wall, it's really hard but you can almost mini-VelKoz someone who's only standing a little bit off to the side.