Talk:Maokai/@comment-4949668-20121023130831/@comment-77.176.100.149-20121023225425

should be Q > W imo, at least the first few ranks. Maxing W first you'd fall way to far behind in clearspeed and the increased slow on Q + the fact that you can often Q twice in a gank make it a pretty good alternative to the longer snare.

to OP btw: don't start cloth 5, you really don't need it. boots+3 is more than enough sustain