Talk:Graves/@comment-1120494-20140917133437/@comment-15244341-20141001183844

If going for numbers on a Vacuuum, maybe you should take into account Graves can actually have a 360+144% Bonus AD spell. Not a 200+80%. Also, it's good to see Graves players don't auto after their spells are cast, while Lucian players do. Skewing in favour of your point when number crunching is bad manners and this is not even well done. On top of that, you are ignoring Graves strengths by simply crunching numbers on spells, which are his tankyness and utility from Smoke Screen on top of a huge AS bonus which makes Graves a superb sustained fighter at low level fights in bot lane, while Lucian is more of a burst character since he has nothing else going for him when he ends his rotation.

Also, you are making one huge mistake, and that is mixing two champions with the Marksman tag together junst because both cast spells. Lucian is a duel-focused champion with emphasis on kiting while weaving autoattacks between spells, while Graves is an AoE focused champion with above average sustained fighting thanks to his tankyness and AS buff. You don't pick Lucian over Graves because Lucian has seemingly bigger numbers, but you pick him because you want him to perform a different role in your comp.

Apples and Oranges.