Talk:Jax/@comment-4885874-20120610102809/@comment-4885874-20120610155600

Oh yeah just like any other FotM player (including several competitive scrubs) you'll blow up your E beforehand in order to burst some1 that Jax alone can't burst at all then try retreating only to realise you can't cause you're stunned/snared/feared and you're getting destroyed.

People think that his R active alone is godly, its actually average (have a look at Olaf's, disable immunity plus more base resists), what makes Jax tankier than the average bruiser is the combination of his R with his E, heavily reducing AoE damage and avoiding all autos while also having high resists. THATS what makes him tanky enough.

If you watch closely, when Jax's E and ult are down he gets melted easier than an AD/AP carry because he's all melee and he suddenly is inside 5 ppl with no resists whatsoever.

Another thing people like to forget is that Jax can clean up like a boss. He can jump right after some1 like Amumu/Malph initated and burst some1 down then chase whoever the hell survived for any amount of time/distance with no real problem. That is a good asset though not at all making him any more potent than a Trynd/Akali/Shen/Riven/Renekton in that aspect.

The duration of the stun DOES matter a huge fuckton if you ask me, and saying it doesn't only makes you seem like a fool.

Jax has very counterable damage early game, and if you need to use a 18 seconds cd combo to "harass" that isn't even harass then. His Q->W->3rd hit could be called harass but it leaves him open to harass from the enemy toplaner or gank from the enemy jungler. Reducing the damage of his W by that much makes him worse in trades when he wasn't winning trades already with champs like Riven/Renek/Shen.

Jax isn't OP as every fucking kid cries, he's good versus certain matchups but has way too many hard counters (Yorick, Renek, Riven, Shen, Wukong and more importantly Malphite) that beat him straight up 1v1, as well as can't survive ganks by most of the popular junglers (Lee, Mao, Nocturne,Mundo).