Talk:Renekton/@comment-195.228.233.173-20130104230804/@comment-5009341-20130105224847

@JuStTeX: sry u are right forgot that rene can outsustain darius from midgame (early he will eat more harass than healing himself) and tank a little better with his ult

84.99.216.163 is right in the points:

1. sustain, his sustain becomes noticible, when he either use empowered q on champs, or if his q hits lvl 4, else, there isnt much, darius will just harass rene so much down that rene has to risk his life to sustain himself (since his sustain is no freeheal but rather lifesteal)

2.dice in, w, eat his slow, cast q, eat his aa, dice out, he pulls u in and u eat his strong q at the same time, try to run, eat another aa, eat another slow, ur are dead (there is actually a strategy to counter that, but doesnt always work)

a) his e has 25% free armpen as PASSIVE, countering if u are behind pretty hard (hp is expensive and armor not really effective)

b) he can jungle pretty good, and gank amazingly, rene cant (even nasus can jungle after his remake, riot when will u make rene jungle viable -.-')

c) his killsteal ult is retarded, even if he is behind as fuck, he can killsteal his way back into the game AND ACTUALLY CARRY, especially if he builds occult

all in all: darius can do anything better, but sustain, tank and escape

it is ok that he has more basedamage and scaling, but an 25%armpen passive and truedamage ult, which resets on kill is just too much (make it so, that every consequent ult within 5 sec will cost 50 mana more) and aoe blitzpull is just too strong in many situations

to put it blantly, riot hasnt come to really fix darius yet (like they did with rengar lee riven ...)

he is still OP (not as OP as he used to be, he is more balanced but still too strong)

the very fact that he is picked/banned frequently in ALL ELOBRACKETS  AND some tournaments (where ppl only pick what they are really good with, or what is at least OP), while renekton is never ban and no common pick, which somehow underlines my statement that darius is generally better then rene (against different match ups and stuff)

in a game with darius vs rene, where both playerskills are even, the darius player will win vs rene