Talk:Lucian/@comment-10300926-20131125010643/@comment-5266525-20131125185841

^ Maokai's ult is ludicrously good. But Lucian's is definitely not the worst.

@Mikeler: your teammates must have been exceptionally bad if they refused to peel WW and zone Orianna for you and still end up dying 3v4.

Not being able to so much as scratch tanks is not Lucian's problem, it's either yours or your teammates. Either you're not building correctly or your teammates aren't focusing the right targets.

If they stack health, Youmuu's or BotRK (both help you kite as well). Armor, Last Whisper (obviously). If they've got both and STILL can easily kill you 1 on 1 he can't possibly have any significant magic resistance and your mage should be burning him down ASAP.

If that makes him team-dependent, so be it. He's far from the only one.