Talk:Luden's Echo/@comment-26107214-20150314145744/@comment-5475313-20150316003503

TF with a shiv and luden's? Shit, I may have to try that. Kind of a waste for a while item slot for damage, but it's worth a try. (Shiv deals flat 100 magic damage, and luden's deals 100 + 15% of your current AP.  This means with pick a card, you get your card damage + 200 + 15% AP in magic damage.  Interesting, but I would rather go for a lich.)