Talk:Trundle/@comment-83.131.58.80-20120928232305/@comment-4916873-20120930102433

This reply is to the OP.

"if he builds squishy he will very soon be bursted down and what is the point of building him squishy when champions like irelia,olaf,riven etc"

Trundle is a tank, just as Mundo is, or Malphite. You do not build AD carry items on him. If you need some damage output, solely build a trinity force and a last whisperer as damage items.

In the second part of this quote you mention bruisers. These are ment to be both tanky and deal quite some damage, however they will never be as tanky as a Trundle or Mundo is and they require more farm to do what they can, hence they take top lane.

"compare it to other on hit enhancements champ like rengar,nasus,poppy,jayce,darius,kha zix,wukong etc."

Again you are comparing with bruisers. The strength in Trundle's Q lategame is the fact that is has almost no cooldown. It deals superb damage (for a tank) if you have a trinity force.

"New junglers that come out have gap closers,amazing cc and burst that allows them to kil quickly and those things are necessary because you dont have time to lose during ganks."

Who do you call the 'new junglers'? Kha'Zix? Rengar? These champions have subpar clearing times, sustain, invasion strengths and counterjungling strength. These champions are also AD casters/bruisers.

"amumu,nautilus,malphite than with trundle and i didnt expecte that because all old junglers like olaf,udyr........had great damage output and fast clear times.I guess i will use this refund,didnt know it was possible,thanks :)"

Trundle's damage may fall off lategame (as of any tank), but other than Amumu none of the above should exceed Trundle in damage done. If you need more edge, build a trinity force.