Talk:Vayne/@comment-5019437-20120530122759/@comment-193.200.175.68-20120603142549

ok its simply you are just bad and dont know when and where to position/initiate as Vayne, saying she cannot commit untill "all the CC/nukes have been blown"

"Randuins and malphite hard counter her because she loses both her mobility and atk speed in both scenerios. She's not as invincible as you're putting her and she definitely doesn't scale in damage enough to outscale her utility issues."

oh yes she is, if you dont do some stupid things (wich you obviously do, according to your posts), like going straight for the enemy carry through all tanks/bruisers with your tumble after ult

in the beginnig of a teamfights you can allow yourself to hit tanks, if you have no other preferable targets

you dont need to simply tumble after ult being pop'd if there is no reason for tumble

if somebody jumps on you, then you can go invis, so the person who jumped on you need to decide, wait for your 1 sec invis to go off, or hit someone else, and 1 sec is huge thing in a teamfights

if tumble, stun/knockback and invis are not enough for you to avoid malphite's AOE avoidable skill than you are just bad

if we are talking about 5 on 5, yes, malphite's mid game is stronger then vayne(assuming that early game they wont see each other alot or even at all), but in a teamfights as vayne you are "in the tail of a train"

its rather your positioning or your actions are wrong, then malphite is a hard counter

"She has weaknesses that don't apply on most other AD"

really? i would rather say, she has abilitys that any other ranged carry can only dream about

and no, kog not outscales her (and how is vayne's stealth not involved in a teamfights? her ult is almost always ready to go and even professionals not always have an oportunity to bring oracle with them, still oracle wont always help you, she can kite pretty well against gapslosers)

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