Talk:Maokai/@comment-2248060-20130203065901/@comment-4638923-20130206215836

Ye np, I also thought that I maybe wrote 2 much general information, still I hope it could be useful for starters. :P And I tried to organize it a little bit, but I think it's kinda mess up. ^^

The general problems (counterjungle by enemies, weak dueling) for Maokai that I mentioned had been there since Season 2, too.

SOOO maybe people also just tend to rather play these loads of AD-junglers ( Lee Sin, Kha'Zix, Jarvan, Vi, to name some) who can snowball very hard, if they got kills. People want to get kills, gold and finally items (Black Cleaver, TriForce, Warmogs, blabla) on their own and start to rape others. And since new Black Cleaver and Warmogs are released, people want to gain these items, though they just have the income of a jungler. Many players in soloQ tend to think that you have to play junglers who can kill champs and carry games on their own with snowballing. This might work out in some games, however you can't suggest that the other team let's u roll so easy everytime.

Tank jungler's like Maokai are very strong gankers, but should tend to give their laners kills, since they can be effective with a few items and tank items are in general rather cost-efficient. Imo carring ur team with assisting kills rather than trying to carry games on ur own, is a solid way of trying to win games as a jungler in general.