Talk:Vayne/@comment-141.241.100.104-20130208075955/@comment-91.119.176.198-20130209033145

switch the armorpen reds and quints for flat +ad, armorpen doesn´t help you lasthit and THAT is what a vayne´s laningphase is about, not harassing/fighting. the armorpen you get from masteries is sufficient enough in the beginning and you will eventually buy a black cleaver/last whisper anyways so you rather want maximum farm power over a minor increase in damage on other players.

go R>Q>E>W, only taking one point in silver bolts at lvl 4, then maxing Q and E first.

do not max W over E, it is inferior and makes you suck in lane srsly.

you are never going to outharass an ezreal, caitlyn or graves especially if they got a sustain support on their side and even with maxed W you will lose trades miserably due to inferior range in almost any case.

on the other hand though: you can easily burst other adcs down if you condemn them onto a wall with a leveled up E followed by a few autoattacks. silver bolts only gain effect once you got major attack speed boosts (items, nunu) and/or the enemies already stacked up HP so the % damage really kicks in while E is great to burst, escape or initiate right from the start.

leveling it up over W tremendously increases its initial damage as well as the "splash" damage if you can bomb someone´s ass into a structure, also reducing the cooldown while not increasing the mana cost. so srsly, whoever told you to max W over E after Q is doing it wrong, none above trash elo does that anymore.

overall: learn to use E efficiently, stop trying to harass if your support and you arent MAJORLY better at trading than their garbage bot lane and max R over Q over E over W then you should be fine.

otherwise i recommend switching to a less unsave adc like ezreal or caitlyn to get used to the role in general maybe.