Talk:Leona/@comment-202.156.10.10-20111117055452/@comment-1973463-20111118145703

Oh. Well the thing is, Annie can stun once when she's charged up her passive. Leona can stun any time she wants, and twice in a row too. and a minisnare on unblockable gap closer. Annie can't really "save" her CC, like for that Katarina or Yi or w/e who is waiting for a good opportunity to jump in rip people apart. Annie can't actually do anything without using up her stun. Leona can.

Leona's Eclipse lasts less than half as long as Annie's Molten Shield, yeah, but it also has less than half the cooldown. So it's about the same, really. If you catch Annie right after her shield goes down and she doesn't have CDR, she's got no shield for a long time. On the other end, max CDR and Leona has 6/8.4 sec to Annie's 15/18 sec. Not too different. As far as the effects of the shields, Leona's gives more defenses at every rank, and does more damage than Annie's unless every enemy nearby is hitting her with basic attacks. If a Xin or the like jumps on Annie/Leona, Annie's will do more damage to him, but if he passes the tank in favor of a carry, Leona's does much more damage. Also a caster who doesn't autoattack is going to take much more damage from Leona's than Annie's.

As for damage, Annie does more damage directly, sure, but Leona's passive means she's doing a ton more "behind the scenes" damage, if you will. It gets counted as ally damage instead of hers, so you won't ever see Leona with a huge damage score in the end of the game charts, but she's doing plenty of damage.

Also..."The only thing that makes her "tanky" is the Mr/Ar from her Eclipse" and her CC and gap closer and PBAoE on Eclipse. Look at Amumu. What does he have that makes him beefier? Nothing. He's only a tank because his kit works well with it. He has CC and works best in the middle of the enemy team.