Talk:Zed/@comment-24496127-20140712072616/@comment-4706772-20140719231809

Everything you ahve noted is true, but there is one additional thing you forgot to mention: what happens when Zed gets farmed. When Zed has his 4 core items (BOTRK, hydra, black cleaver and LW) he can melt squishies regaurdless if they have qss or zhonya's. Also, at that point, his burst becomes instant, like leblanc or talon.

Zed reaches a point where zhonya's has to be used to negate the damage of his Q and E, rather then his deathmark, if well farmed, and considering how safely he can farm with his shadow and basic abilites, it just leaves him with a bad midgame while the mages have zhonya's but he doesn't have the core 4 items. The problem is many new meta midlaners are strong during the earlyy to midgame and can close the match out before zed gets his chance to get the core items.

The only thing i would say is debatable is "not even split pushing is really viable, because a mage with zhonya's is more or less immune to you. This is not nessesarily correct. it depends on the mage in question. i would argue that somethin suishy and skillshot reliant, such as velkoz, lux, or ziggs, would not pose a threat to zed splitpush, with or without zhonya's. But a mage tank like wain, morde, or vlad, or a champ whose abilites cant be juked, such as ryze, morde (again) and kayle, would actaully pose a threat cause they can either prevent zed from doing enough damage, or do enough damage to kill zed in the process (some even without zhonya's).

All that being said, I agree that there are wayt o many ways to shut down Zed.the fact that he has he has numerous bad matchups and is hard countered by, qsss, zhonya's and exhaust, all make it so that Zed is very hard to play right now.