Talk:Karma/@comment-26580454-20150807101047/@comment-25223119-20150807173017

In very skilled situations, there is only one part of the damage that R -> Q will ever guarantee. The first part of the damage 435+90%AP hit is guaranteed at max rank if a squishy is dumb enough to stand within 3 inches next to a tank. But again, this is assuming people are stupid enough to clump up, which never happens. I've never gotten a perfect 5 man hit with any aoe skillshots, there's always going to be one or two champions who aren't dumb enough to eat your skillshots.

Karma's R ->Q is one of those abilities that is best used early when a teamfight breaks up, because you can have it up from cooldown a few seconds later. R->Q isn't like like Zyra's R or Ahri's R when you want to preserve it for the right moment to do whatever you're good at doing. Karma's mantra demands that she expands her mantra ASAP so that she is at the peak of her strength while teamfighting.

450+90%AP is a majority of Karma's damage. Compared to other total AP ratios from other Mids, she's still got a lot to go when it comes to being an APC. There's no point talking about her 350+60% on her second part of Q or the 260+90% on W becuase those two are situational damage.

But Hen has a point about Karma's R->Q being way too strong in numbers, this is a fact. Locking in 150% worth of AP scaling in one skill is unhealthy for both the champion and opponents themselves. Despite tradeoffs and setbacks, power locking and binary playstyles are against Riot's balance philosophies. For players, it is the fact that R->Q is simply useless when body blocked or avoided by mobility champions. For Karma to be a competent mid champ again, she needs to have her old cone wave clearing back, and her mass aoe damaging single target shield. Karma can have more power previously because she was designed as a champion with strong power with occasional cc, but lower cc and range. Giving her cc, more frequent mobiliy and higher range meant that she can no longer have too much damage, or that the damage she has cannot be distributed evenly througout her kit or she will be too strong. This is why she has 150% worth in R->Q only, considering how it is ability that most champions can avoid with ease from Karma.

Regarding colliding skillshots, that is the least of concern. But I notice that colliding skillshots are all gradually falling off from mid lane when it comes to farming. Unlike pass through skillshots, colliding skillshots suffer from small radius, which makes farming a slightly arduous task. Boomerang and aoe skillshots are a more attractive option.