Talk:Zephyr/@comment-50.132.58.210-20121119181511/@comment-67.53.53.210-20121121224610

"minus the crit"

Well shit, minus the crit BT is better than IE. Crit is THE ENTIRE POINT of PD. If I just wanted AS and nothing else I'd get Hurricane.

As for getting nerfed hard, 5% AS isn't a huge DPS drop, and while 7% MS IS a lot, PD now lets you ignore unit collision. Tenacity is nice, but not a huge deal. There's a reason Merc. treads never get bought by ADC, and that's that if they get stunned, 1.3 seconds or 2 seconds doesn't matter, they're still just as dead.

You say stack it with PD, which is alright I guess, hell, I always need more AS on my builds. The issue is CDR is something of a wasted stat, and if you ask me if I'd rather have 20 AD, 5% MS and Tenacity on my ADC or:

1: 100 AD and 18% LS (BT)

2: 40 AD and 35% Armor pen (LW)

3: 70 AD, 25% crit and 250% crit damage

4: Boots (with cool new s3 enchantments)

5: A free cleanse, 45 MR and 65 AD (MS)

I always choose the other options. I mean come on, This item just isn't efficient from a DPS perspective. While some extra MS and tenacity is great, it's not worth gimping my damage for.

This item will appeal to people who bought stinger, attack speed-centric auto-attackers who greatly enjoy CDR. Another word for these champions in Kayle. Other than Kayle, melee carries like tryndamere need the tenacity and movement speed to deal with kiters, preferably with the new boots of swiftness. They obviously will still need PD, IE, BT, Boots, Merc. scim, and either the new Blade of the ruined king or Ravenous hydra, but as a 7th item...

Face it, this item isn't terrible, but it's outclassed.