Talk:Nocturne/@comment-24951773-20170121193717/@comment-26203093-20170122024856

I wonder if guinsoo's isn't better than botrk due to its redundancy with bloodrazor. Then again, it provides lifesteal; but kinda so does guinsoo with the increased passive frequency and AP. But no, he doesn't scale well with items; in fact, that's the point - the people who scaled better with items, specifically armour pen, are pushed aside. Because he never really benefitted from it in the first place, he defaults to a better state.

Basically like how mundo ended up ontop when all the offense item values got shanked. He never built that, and wasn't bad in the first place.