Talk:Udyr/@comment-5209745-20120816150726

After two days maining Udyr, I've come to new impressions and doubts. Get ready for a big chunk of text:

1) His clearing times are insane, and with Tabi+Wriggle's+Smite you can even solo the dragon at lv5. Best part comes when the enemy team lacks of a jungler, you can take your solo top or your mid laner to their camps and present them with a red/blue buff respectively. I find that starting with Phoenix its almost essential, and the best combo for jungling is Tiger > Phoenix > Turtle > Repeat.

2) Yes, his ganks leave a lot to be desired, but placing yourself correctly (Like appearing in lane from behind the enemy instead from the river bushes, or cutting the enemy escapeway) almost secures the gank. I find that ganking with Flash+Bear its a lot more effective than Ghost+Bear. Also most of the times you lack of the strength to finish the objective, so most of your ganks tend to end into assistances, which are really appreciated teamwise (You're giving your team free feeding afterall). I think that the best combo for this tends to be Bear > Phoenix > Tiger > Repeat, given the fact that your laners also have cc, if not just go Bear > Tiger.

3) I have not tried it, but most of the times I accidentally find the enemy jungler in a bush, Udyr tends to get the advantage. Even if he doesn't kills him/her, he gives them a good scare and sends them to their base, so I've come to think that he's a really good counter-jungler. Who are the easier junglers to counter and who are the riskiest ones?

4) Even if your team composition fails, your team comp can still be saved given the fact that Udyr is really malleable. From my point of view he can turn into a carry (Not recommended, doesn't fits Udyr too much) or into a tank (Common build and most viable). So late-game, Udyr will be filling his jungler purpose and pseudo-filling another role.

TL;DR: Udyr is a lot more complex than he seems at first glance.