Talk:Veigar/@comment-186.213.150.103-20111228213457

if you do not farm the "q",he turn in an underpower champ,but if you farm a lot the "q" you are OP,but i say A LOT,have veigars that farm 200 ap,and this is A LOT,in a game of 40-50 minutes,i farm about 120-140 ap,is a lot....and he sometimes when he have a lot of ap and are fed and have a mage that have a lot of ap and a small health,only use ultimate that kill the mage,example:anivia,you nly need to ult to kill an anivia,only have one mage that he do not counter at all:ryze,because ryze use more mana not ap .-.