Talk:Olaf/@comment-24152282-20131110104938/@comment-5955640-20131110182524

What do you want out of the jungler? Shaco is a great jungler easily sustains himself with the boxes and can invade other junglers and make clean getaways. The long length of his stealth forces laners to get pinks and even then you can gank from almost everywhere.

Olaf is fine in jungle and ganks okay. His anti CC ult and slow from undertow is good and reckless swing last hits really well (if your target is getting away I mean I'm not talking about getting the kill intentionally for yourself).

Olaf scales a lot better into late game as a tanky champ and can take aggro really well although it's sort of weird as you have to decide to not use the ult and get pinned down but have more armor and magic resistance or use the ult and take more damage.

After the laning phase Shaco turns into an assassin. There isn't much he can do if the enemy is disorganized he's still really good but if someone tanks for a team you not very useful even if you do a huge amount of damage.