Talk:Graves/@comment-24086627-20131130045442/@comment-5955640-20131130080624

His strength is in sustained encounters. Look at the passive. Now go play Vayne, Corki, or Twitch. All three of them deal true damage with Vayne dishing out the most damage in simple auto attacks after acquiring silver bolts and Corki with scaling True Damage and Twitch who gets to stack it and turn it into a burst spell.

Twitch in paticular should be good. Lack of True vision lets him sneak very hard in lane.

Graves range is 525. Below average range for a Marksman. His Q does great damage but not that much greater than say. Caitlyn's Q. Only six percent but it drastically fails in comparison to the amount of potential damage Sivir's Q can deal to you. Doesn't have any real debuffs to amplify damage like Corki's E which shreds armor and also scales higher than Graves' Q. It's also outranged and out damaged by Varus' Q.

It's sort of an average spell really it's not that powerful. Quickshot doesn't amplify his damage only his attack speed and reduces the cooldown of his abilities by one second each autoattack. And that's pretty good but the attack speed at max rank is still beat by Tristana's E by twenty percent. Ezreal has far more affordable means to up his attack speed and cooldown his abilities.

And Jinx's Pow Pow Minigun builds a much higher attack speed through nothing but just auto attacking. No spells included.

You just need to burst him down. He's not a hyper carry late game and no Graves ever truly builds tanky so he's never really going to make the best of his passive he's going to build like a typical ADC and if you can't kill him quick he can win trades by having your damage fall off on him. Unless you are Vayne in which you complete circumvent armor by dealing true damage that scales from health every second with a third strike dealing large combined damage.