Talk:Xin Zhao/@comment-188.104.227.55-20120724100304

hmm ppl i got a question how do Challenge work with Black Cleaver ?

cause of in his startegy guide they say it works well u can beat enemys armor below zero but does his passive 15% works before the cleaver or after. Imagine the enemy got 100 armor and i hit him with my Black Cleaver and my passive Challenge will it works like this

-first my 15 % armor reduction then his armor is 85 and then the cleaver again decreases the enemys armor by 15 so his armor is left by 70.

Or did it work so

-first the cleaver with 15 armor pen so 85 armor is left and then the passive. 15 % from 85 armor is 8.7

85-8.7 = 76.3 armor

if the second variant is true black cleaver is waste on him ^^. Hope u can help me thx :)