Board Thread:Wiki discussions and announcements/@comment-3308937-20140828121932/@comment-658634-20140910220507

LonelyFlame wrote: Look we get what you're saying, but it makes sense as it is. Shaw Fujikawa wrote: Because the formula is per level, not per level up. Whats teh sense making people do math on a wikia that is about imaginary characters bashing each others? Your entry level suggestion for the wikia is shoving the average reader Joe with formulas? Really? What makes it good to make the reader start calculating level one stats instead of giving him the level one stats where from he can start calculating if needed. The per level formula forces math done very time, per level up only when leveling up. LonelyFlame wrote: Your method clutters up the page. Your serious? Its one additional column to a section that has 200px or 23% empty space in it. LonelyFlame wrote: As it's already been pointed out, your method takes out levels 2-17. Having a drop box for just those levels adds even more pointless clutter. We have this option of having a method that calculates the numbers for a reader instead of making him doing math. You really think its nice, friendlier to have the reader doing math instead of offering the numbers? And I fail to see how it takes them out. I also have feeling that you missed the point or read wrong so here is a pic. LonelyFlame wrote: It's a good design. Eveyone likes it. Please just stop saying it should be changed because you don't like it. If its so good design then you sure don't have any problems grounding why it is a good design? Its hilarious that first you say 'eveyone', that includes me, and then point out that i don't like it. That said, this is not about liking or not liking. Shaw Fujikawa wrote: While there's points to both sides, it's not in your best interests to constantly insist that having a level zero is useless when it best displays the per-level gains for each stat. Why you are putting words to my mouth? Showing level zero values _is_ useless as it only serves those that want to do math exercise to get stats. I have _never_ said that showing progress is pointless. Shaw Fujikawa wrote: I still don't understand what you have a problem with now that the drop down exists and you can clearly see the precise level 1 stats if you so desire. I say it again, why default view shows values that player never sees?

To me its getting more and more obvious that you all are quite skilled, uber and good folks in wiki/meta stuff and all that but you also miss the objectiveness. Readers over experts. Does the common 13 year old player, that does not read those patch notes, understand that when he lands to the champion page the numbers he sees are not actually the numbers he sees in game, that he first needs to pass math test until he can get the real numbers? Or if the lander is xPeke, why make him do math to see first level stats? What _purpose_ does it serve?

Only grounding this far I have got is that there would inconsistency with other info, abilities to be more precise. Except there are no zero level ability infos and why would there be. No one can use level zero abilities.