Talk:VPBE/@comment-26612064-20170208104329/@comment-26612064-20170208172829

On reflection, I've just realised that oerall, not counting the change to the Active, it has actually gained overall value from the +AD, +Lifesteal, -AS, so that's not so bad.

@Tashikoma, hmm, not correct. I want to to be viable for mêlée but not exclusively, but if you are suggesting they want it to be much more of an ADC item, I disagree (unless you have a source for that). I think they would want it to work for either. Perhaps that is all you meant, viable for both.

I'm not trying to make it *only* for tanks. after all, (not that they would likely build this but) supports tend to have lower AD/AP scaling and higher base damage. AS + on-hit combination items in theory should be good for champions with lower scaling and when you add to their cost and value with stats that don't synergise as well (AD for example, for champions with mediocre or poor AD scaling) it take away from the suitability of the item for the same champions that would benefit from the rest.

Lethality doesn't particularly scale with AD so much as the overall damage, so to me the combination seems better.

One flipside to that is one champ who doesn't typically get played as a tank (that can) is Master Yi, and for him, the AD is probably better than lethality given the true damage from his E. That said, again, if any champ (say this were true for Yi) that didn't have good AD scaling relied heavily work well with on-hit items, lethality helps the on-hit damage to deal more, possibly a lot more than 5 extra true damage from 20 more AD helps Yi's E to deal.

So I'm not sure if the AD is actually better than lethality for him, but the item is more cost efficient overall now, s it's probably nicely loaded with reasonably suitable stats for a variety of champs it was already suited to. It's just that life steal applies to base damage and (even scaling) on-hit physical damage and lethality would have been a direct buff to the damage of both of those, whereas the usefulness of the AD will be even more champ-dependent.