Talk:Gragas/@comment-4105539-20121210065722/@comment-67.164.109.190-20121211084755

If I may disagree. I didn't exactly read everything, and since you so politely put up a tl;dr section, I just skipped to that and then to the comments. And I'm hearing/reading Liandry's a lot. Liandry is a strong item, even if it's just for the slight boost to health and coupled with Sorcerer's Shoes, makes you deal true damage to the unsuspecting fool without magic resist. However, it is not that strong on Gragas.

Liandry's to me, is a bit of a one skill wonder. It's for those champions who has that one poke skill, instead of a whole burst. In the end, if you burst somebody down, you'll be doing (at least with Gragas), 2.5% of the target's CURRENT health afterwards. If you get somebody sufficiently low enough, the damage from Liandry's is almost... nonexistent.

Especially with Gragas's, whose abilties are all AOE. Regardless of what ability you decide to use, you will be doing small amounts of damage with Liandry's. Compare that with AP Shaco, who can use Liandry's to its full potential with his Shiv, being a single targeted nuke with a slow.

If you're just going for the Haunting Guise and then leaving it there for later, and then upgrading it as the absolute last option, I see no problem in that. It plays its part in magic penetration, ability power, and health. As for going for Liandry's straight up and calling it strong, well, I can only have strong reservations for that foolhardy tactic.