Talk:Graves/@comment-3534079-20120409033655

So, disregarding a jungler, how is it even close to possible to push him out of lane or even damage him much when you're playing an AD carry with a support at bot (he has one too)? For some reason he has an innate that makes him tanky when he's supposed to be very squishy so any damage you do to him early game is like nothing and he can easily take away a lot of you and your support's health with his Q and a few autoattacks.