Talk:VPBE/@comment-24241876-20151124042423/@comment-24241876-20151124132915

You do make a good point about Zyra. However, comparing single champion skills doesn't really provide a strong indication of power.

While she also has an easy-to-dodge snare, it is much easier to hit at close range, since there's no major delay between the casting it and having it take effect. It also isn't her only CC; she has a large AoE knockup on R and slows on her close range plants, giving her massive zoning potential, an advantage she has over Swain at all stages of the game.

Also, they both fill different niches as mages. Zyra usually packs much more upfront utility and zone control (not discrediting how strong her damage can get, especially with M.Pen) while Swain is a sustained pseudo-tanky DPS.

Honestly, for Swain, it's all in his E. The damage amp is ridiculous to the point that defeating squishies with ease is possible alongside mass regeneration. If anything, I would have them nerf that and not his W. It holds so much invisible power, and is point-and-click, so someone is definitely gonna get hurt.