Talk:Zyra/@comment-68.98.9.242-20120717003021/@comment-68.98.9.242-20120717005817

I said not to compare champions skill to skill in my post, actually was about to make a comment relating to my TL:DR when i realized you had to read the whole thing since you made specific mention of my example.

And it doesn't change the fact that her Q is incredibly lackluster, the Q itself doesn't summon minions either, the Q itself does absolutely nothing except incredibly mild damage, it's only the combination of her Q+W which creates the minions, and since the W's main purpose is to create said plant turrets, they might as well be attributed to that skill. I'm actually rather hard pressed to find any individual aoe that on it's own does less than what Zyra's does. Even Karthus Q does more single target damage and ofc has much higher aoe dps, Annie W, Cass Q, Xerath Q, Ziggs Q, Lux E, LB W, they are all aoe damage skills that simply do more on their own, and they have their own combinations with those champion's kit. But now i'm just rambling

Also not to be rude...but you just started saying what individual abilities Zyra has that aren't in Cass's kit...after telling me not to compare skill to skill...I could say similar things such as Zyra doesn't have instant large AoE stuns, or as much dps, or a way to lower her mana costs etc etc. I'm just trying to point out the lackluster-ness of Zyra's Q and how bland it feels.