Talk:Jungling/@comment-99.162.191.200-20130122043025/@comment-5266525-20130131161425

I don't know what you're talking about, to be honest. Garen is a poor jungler even for niche standards.

He's had above average initial clear speeds (still far from the fastest) since his rework boosted the damage of Judgement by 25%, but his sustain is awful (passive breaks on jungle monster damage), he has no hard gap closer nor CC of any sort to hold people in place for ganks, his cooldowns are still long even with that 20% CDR from blue - most other good junglers will tear him to ribbons if he can't kill them within the first five seconds of a fight - and his Courage is on such a long cooldown and lasts for such a short time it barely contributes to his defensibility.