Talk:Udyr/@comment-180677-20130322084850/@comment-71.233.127.32-20130322132641

Tiger: Yes it does, should work the same as Draven's passive which works with BC.

Turtle: They reduced the mana cost of all his skills by up to 10% at rank 1. That compensates quite nicely because it helps udyr all the time compared to having to be in turtle and auto attacking. Later in the game udyr solves his mana problems with itemization so the mana costs on the later ranks of his skills aren't as important. They also buffed the shield by 10% at rank 5 which is significant.

Pheonix: Being able to proc Pheonix upon entering the stance is a pretty big deal and adds a LOT of damage to compensate for the loss of raw stats and gives a ton of trading power to you in lane, with tiger -> Pheonix -> autoattack you get all your damage in just one auto.

Bear/Passive: 1% movespeed per stack would ALWAYS BE WORSE than 5 movespeed. % movespeed is always calculated off with (champ base movespeed + boots speed) and you can't get 500 movespeed with just boots, ergo 5 movespeed is just better, especially in the jungle where you have to start with machete instead of boots. In fact over the duration of bear stance with just one stack of MA you close roughly the same distance as you do now on live. Same distance, less time, and only one of three stacks? That's a buff.