Talk:Sejuani/@comment-85.62.40.231-20120610181241/@comment-75.84.43.153-20120616131426

undeniably her ult is great. op wasn't arguing against her ult, he was arguing against her passive. This might sound obvious, but just follow my logic for a bit.

30% slow (first rank E) for 3 seconds is fucking amazing. Compare that to Frozen Mallet 40% slow for 2.5 seconds it's practically the same thing. Now, a standard gank at early levels before level 6 takes no longer than 4 seconds. By the end of 4 seconds either the target is dead or has sucessfully ran away. After level 6, ganks take no longer than 6-8 seconds to complete. So you can see that the utility of Sej's E is in almost every way similar to Frozen Mallet, perhaps even better since the slow increases in rank. Now back to her passive.

10% on auto attacks. You can not gank anyone with 10% slow. You would be fooling yourself to think that it would. Now you would probably argue no shit, that's why we have abilities. This is my point. 10% on top of 30% is simply redundant. The REAL skill that allows Sej to permaslow is not her passive but her E skill. The only reason to argue for Sej's passive is that it enables the use of E and NOT the 10% slow.

In order to make her competitive to other junglers and stay true to her ice theme, Riot needs to rework her passive. Instead of applying a 10%msp debuff, auto attacks could apply a atkspd debuff. With this change it would solve her lack of sustain in jungle. If it's not too op, instead of auto attacks applying this debuff, her spells could apply it so there's an aoe atkspd slow to all the camps/heroes. Her E should just be an aoe slow around her not needing a requisite skill/debuff to activate cause honestly, her passive is real trash.