Talk:Renekton/@comment-98.252.26.207-20110716230111/@comment-98.252.26.207-20110718025416

I agree about there being no optimal set of items for all situations. :D

You guys are helping me a lot. Thanks a lot. I'm also leaning towards playing Renekton as an anti-carry.

I think I've really underestimated the Black Cleaver too. It's a really great item on him in practice.

What I've been doing is reading other tanky DPS guides for champs that err towards DPS, like Xin Zhao and Pantheon. Even though Pantheon is supposed to be a carry, these days he's played like tanky DPS and built similarly to Garen and Renekton. I've gotten a lot of ideas.

I also found a guide whose core Renekton build was Mercury Treads, Bloodthirster and Black Cleaver. This person also plays him as an anti-carry assassin type character.

I think Bloodthirster and Black Cleaver are the two most important items for Renekton above all else. If you play him as an anti-carry, you don't really need the CDR either, it seems, so Mercury's Treads all the way, like that guide said. This is because you run in, burst, and run out, as someone above said.

Then it's just a matter of mixing and matching defensive items: Sunfire Cape, Force of Nature, Banshee's Veil, Aegis of the Legion, Wriggle's Lantern, Randuin's Omen, Thornmail, Guardian Angel and getting them as needed. Frozen Mallet and Atma's Impaler are great items too.

Warmog's is not as good as Frozen Mallet because Frozen Mallet's +20 AD actually gives you more overall damage with Atma's and has an added slow. This, as well as the fact it just isn't gold efficient, is generally why Warmog's is considered bad.

But I can see a Mercury's Treads, Bloodthirster, Black Cleaver, Frozen Mallet and Atma's Impaler build working. It kind of reminds me of the offensive Garen builds I hear about. That is an outrageous (truly, truly outrageous) amount of damage and survivability packed into just five items, leaving one left over for whatever's needed.

Basically, I see that there are two ways to play Renekton: As an AD nuker, or as an off-tank. The problem many DPS Renektons have is that you can't play DPS Renekton as an off-tank, you have to play him more like Poppy, it seems.

I can see why Sunfire Cape and Hexdrinker, et al actually work well too. They're pretty self-contained items and that's why they work. They don't need other items to be effective, as is the way with Frozen Mallet + Atma's Impaler, for example.

But yes! Thanks, guys! You've helped me out a LOT. I have a lot of material to test when I feel better now.