Talk:Veigar/@comment-70.79.143.203-20111111091719/@comment-4046013-20111121040855

There's also the fact that everyone knows that you can't let Veigar farm. So they're going to do everything they can to harass the crap out of you before you can level up Q (to farm AP faster) and E (so your stun will be long enough to even think about landing W) and W (so it actually does damage finally). If they knock you off your farm routine, you have to hope the game goes on for 60 minutes or you just won't get the ball rolling.

That huge delay on Dark Matter just makes me not want to even try with him. And Irelia... just run away, or hope you've got two CCs on the side. :-P