Talk:Garen/@comment-46.7.207.128-20121104032545/@comment-46.7.207.128-20121107223156

To anon above: Well, in the context of the game we were playing, 3v3, we were pushed back so hard and losing dreadfully, that is literally all the Items I could get within the time frame. The intention was to get an aegis (As well as just to improve my MR resistances) to help the Annie and Yorrick get back, but they were too busy blaming me, despite having died only...twice :/.

And while I understand some situations call for different builds, there *are* some builds which you would just know are just bad. Pure tank Garen is, as an example, pretty worthless as he is just chiefly ignored due to having no damage output due to lack of proper Items. There is no "one" way to build a character, I get that, but there is definitely a difference between "Unorthadox" and "Useless". I am mainly talking about the latter, heck, the Two Doran's shields, chain vest and Sunfirecape build? No damage, easily ignorable tank etc, and since Garen has no true aggro beyond if he is doing crazy dmg with his spin or darting for the carry, which he can't due to the tanky build, it would be generous to call it less than optimal.

Also, by and large Fratmas is pretty good considering its price total of 5500 or so. Get quite the bang for your buck imho and for me its my immediate go-to build.