Talk:Riven/@comment-4834593-20131228142718/@comment-9008617-20140108160124

Unique combination? It's literally just:

i) a semi-long range skillshot (i.e. it can be juked) AoE slow that doesn't affect Riven's mobility skills (Q or E).  If she hits you, that means you're approximately within 950 range.  Worst case scenario you're at the very outskirts of Karma's Q's max range.  Rememeber that Riven's E and Q combined range is 1105 (1505 with flash).

ii) a high CD tether that snares AFTER 2 seconds and only lasts for 1 second at lower ranks which means you can continue to close the gap while she's waiting for snare to activate in those 2 seconds.

iii) the shield lasts 4 seconds but the speed buff only lasts 1.5 seconds.  So if Karma takes any hard CC just as she activates the speed buff she'll have wasted at least a second of the speed buff.

iv) I just noticed that a lot of these comparisons have assumed that Karma has her R in which case it seems unfair to assume Riven doesn't have her R or isn't anywhere near to reaching 6.

Also note that Karma has mana costs which means at level 3 with one point in each skill, a full rotation of her skills will cost Q (50), W (70), and E (60) for a total of 180 mana out of her base 390 mana (i.e. ~50% of her mana). This is also assuming she's not blowing any skills while farming or harassing. Also note that Riven has no mana costs and a shield to mitigate damage meaning Riven can fake going all-in to scare Karma while into burning her mana taking minimal/mitigated damage and then back off and try again after CDs and have suffered no mana loss meanwhile Karma will be worse off.

If Karma isn't using her skills to last hit then that means she's within her AA range which is only 525 (i.e. Quinn's range) - well within Riven's E + Q (+ Flash) range.