Talk:Elise/@comment-26502987-20150706172534/@comment-15667791-20150707102340

A warning about Black Cleaver Elise: At least as of the last iteration of Black Cleaver, her spiderlings, though they deal physical damage, will NOT proc BC passive. I wanted that to work so badly...

Other than that, her AD Assassin traits come specifically from her attack speed and assassination spell (Spider Q). Armor Pen helps to add some Spiderling damage, but don't go too crazy on it because they are semi-unreliable without heavy utility and tankiness. AD works, but it really only makes up for her already lack of inherent AD. Her Rappel is a nice dodge skill, but an iffy disengage. Cocoon is almost a better disengage than it is an engage tool. Her benefits from an AD standpoint are very similar to Fiora, except Fiora generally does them better (Elise 140% AS vs. Fiora 120% AS, Spiderling damage vs. Fiora +35 base attack, Fiora gets 2 lunges instead of 1 Venomous Bite, tons of movement speed, a block, and a crap-ton of damage in her ultimate which doubles as a dodge skill similar to Elise. Fiora is mostly just better at it, as much as I hate to admit it... AD Elise was fun.