Talk:Heimerdinger/@comment-8091380-20130916233538/@comment-8091380-20130917053406

for items I start with 1 cloth armor, 1 pink ward and 1 of each pot (plus the 2 extra support items). first buy is usually embem of valor, philosopher or kage lucky pick. since now i hand't have a usual final build, since i have been testing diferent things so far (the only 1 i always buy is Banner of comand)

in abilities, i start with 1 at E, and then go for Q at rank 3 the fastest posible so i can have 2 turrets. after that I max W taking a point in R whenever i can. The turrets are mostly used for remplacements of wards so i dont have to push too much the lane and save money for wards.

the runes are actually a pretty big problem, since i still dont have too much of them and i cant use the exact runes i want. but the ones i have are mostly centered in gold x 10 and defense.

i will test some of your advices later and tell how it went, tnxx for the advices guys ^^

PS: SUPORTDINGER FOR THE WIN xD