Talk:Riven/@comment-25325968-20150112015908/@comment-5077844-20150113133625

I really want to support you here, but calling Zed a "no skill champ2 is a pretty close minded view. Is he easy to basic? Yes. Is he easy to master? no.

Zed does extremely well on a casual level because of his kit#SS strengths in a solo lane. the higher in elo you get, the better you have to be to make him work, including precise knowledge of how to W n R n stuff. He can be really overwhelming, especially when played by a competent players, and I do want his early laning nerfed (at least pre 6), but calling him a noob champ...

Riven is mechanically overloaded, that is true, but as with Zed, there are different levels of mastery. She might seem ea to pick up, but if your opponent sort of knows what RIven does he can easily counter you. as an example: the infamous QaaQaaQaa combo is not something that you autmatically do, form waht I've heard.

I do agree on her ult tho. the execute is just...too much...at least considering the range, width and how easy it is to have your opponent's at low health. Not to mention, ignite.