Talk:Zyra/@comment-99.245.85.132-20120801171302/@comment-80.15.143.26-20120801201959

too much damage

let's take a level 6 zyra combo with 0 ap and sorc boots + mpen runes so true damage on most mids:

plant 2 seeds snare ult Q:

snare damage : 60

Q damage : 155

ult damage : 200

she deals 415 damage now let's take the seeds into account

she plants 2 in combo since she can stock up 2

with enrage from ult both will have easily 3 hits  with snare duration + knockup

each deals 62 a hit so 124 for both and x3 = 372 damage

415 + 372 = 787 damage now add 2 AA she'll have time to use while you're snared and knocked up   (roughly 50 damage each with armor)

887 damage + ignite : 170 true damage

1057 damage combo

with a range of 800 on her lowest spell   and since they knock up you'll have time to run to the other mid to use even more AAs

yup that was a 1057 damage combo, at level 6 with 0 ap and 30 mpen from sorc boots  and  mpen reds

you can pretty much  full to 0 a bruiser at level 6

now that you"ve seen how damage is broken : utility

zoning:

825 range to plant seeds : OP zoning you put them behind the minion wave and just Q them to harass the other mid with ranged seeds if the oponent comes in range to  last hit he gets in your range to  spawn seeds beside him and hurt him badly without any risk

slows:  whenever you want you can put an ulted heimer turret.. yup slowing turrets whenever you want wherever you want in a 825 range from you

snare: 1.1K range snare, nasty combined with seed  deals huge damage at level 1 because the plants   deal damage based on zyra's level not skill level

knock up ulti

in teamfight she spawns ranged plants and since nobody can stop to break those with her ult Q snare and plants she deals ridiculous amount of damage

baron/ drake : she can trap   near baron and drake with seeds so if the enemy tries to engage you while you do it... they get destroyed by the 4 ranged  plants she set up near,  4 plants : 248 damage every 0.8 sec at level 6 with 0 ap  now imagine at level 18 with ap..

also you can't chase her : double seed + snare you're snared and everyone coming gets slowed

thats why she's broken

notice i counted the damage with 0 ap which is not likely to happen as zyra mid by level 6 will have more then 0 ap ^^

seen theoddone rage against a zyra mid yesterday on stream :  his skarner got instagibed by zyra with jsut sorc boots and 2 doran if  i remember well.. a skarner.. -_-

he was saying every streamer he knows  are ok on this point : zyra needs nerfs, hard ones