Talk:Nocturne/@comment-201.165.238.228-20120229010207/@comment-69.141.8.150-20120302073844

I think many players who were used to noc when he could build viable glass cannon don't want to play him as a tanky dps now, especially with his heavily nerfed ultimate.

Ziggs with his ability to throw bombs half down his lane, then launch his ultimate and nuke you from orbit is perfectly fine though @.@