Talk:Vayne/@comment-92.200.61.98-20110606010706/@comment-92.200.39.143-20110606214848

Sorry, forgot to write, "what to do,as a carry". Getting both bveil and randuin on a carry is not a viable option (and getting only one of them is pretty useless against her). Also i'm sure your talking about soto (she doesn't need it imo, bt is better). She's incredibly hard to stop from farming (mid/altegame) as you will need at least 2 well doing teammates for a gank (otherwise you'll just get kited to death). Her early game is not as problematic imo (but it's good nevertheless). The problem in teamfights was for me as ashe was, that she always got a superior positioning. Initiating by hitting her with eca is impossible and landing eca on her during a teamfight also is very difficult. You have to stay close to your own tanks which means that the enemy tanks also stand inbetween (if they aren't completely retarded, which they were ->healrammus ftw).