Talk:Udyr/@comment-98.196.163.6-20130324091924/@comment-4677525-20130324165459

Yeah, this is overall a buff. The mana restoration on Turtle Stance is, imo, the only significant nerf and they lowered the cost of all his abilities to compensate. With blue buff, jungle Udyr will probably still be ok although lane Udyr would suffer a bit.

On the other hand, Bear and Phoenix got straight-up buffed. Bear got so many things - mini gapcloser, ignores unit collision and movement speed increase at the cost of a slightly nerfed duration. Meanwhile, the addition of the first attack on Phoenix proccing the fire cone is HUGE, as it allows him better clearing and allows Udyr a bit of access to some frontloaded burst damage.

Finally, his build paths have opened up so much. Now that Tiger benefits off armor pen, things like brutalizer, last whisper, hell even Youmuu's become viable options for him. In addition, because attacks can now crit in Turtle stance, items like Statikk Shiv or Triforce can be much more lucrative buy options.

tl;dr - I believe this is a great buff for jungle Udyr, although the Turtle and Tiger changes might hurt lane Udyr a bit more (I'm not sure). Either way, his utility has increased tremendously and will now take longer before he "falls-off".