Talk:Ryze/@comment-89.174.119.104-20110831070816/@comment-67.169.236.115-20110928222744

The thing is, you can have both a mana and an AP Ryze in one build; just use archangel staffs. With 5 of them with one's mana bonus maxed out, and Ryze's mana at lvl 18 (aside from his ult's bonus mana), he has tons of mana regen, tons of mana (4185 to be exact), and take into account the non-unique passive of 5 arch. staves, which means that aside from Ryze's mana-damage bonus with his Q and E, he has 15% of 4185 converted into AP for all his basic abilities. That comes out to 852 AP, which is about 170 AP per staff. Add a Lich Bane, and then after you cast one spell, you can autoattack them for 932 damage. Cast another spell 3.5 sec later, and you can hit them again for 932 damage.