Talk:Kalista/@comment-26251295-20151108121611/@comment-24496127-20151113024849

A complete list of every unit targetted damage spell that she'll be realistically in range to get hit by. This doesn't include the previously mentioned AoE's that can also screw her. Some like Janna's zephyr may be debatable in how had they can cripple her, but since slows seem to make her hops slower unless something changed in the most recent patch, I figured it was important to mention. So Garen, Darius, and Cho'Gath ultimates, for example, wasn't included despite the possibility Kalista can get hit by them. Things like puncturing Taunt were mentined because Rammus can realistically run down a Kalista, or any targetted abilities on champions that have gapclosers in their kit, even if the ability itself lacks range. * Lissandra's    Frozen Tomb
 *  Ryze's    Rune Prison  and   Spell Flux
 *  Rammus's    Puncturing Taunt
 *  Shaco's    Two-Shiv Poison
 *  Shen's    Vorpal Blade
 *  Swain's    Decrepify  and   Torment
 *  Syndra's    Unleashed Power
 *  Talon's    Cutthroat
 *  Taric's    Dazzle
 *  Teemo's    Blinding Dart
 *  Tristana's    Buster Shot and   Explosive Charge
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Trundle" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Trundle's    Subjugate
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Urgot" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Urgot's    Acid Hunter  (lock-on) and   Hyper-Kinetic Position Reverser
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Vayne" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Vayne's    <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Condemn">Condemn
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Veigar" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Veigar's    Primordial Burst
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Vi" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Vi's    Assault and Battery
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Viktor" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Viktor's    Siphon Power
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Vladimir" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Vladimir's    <span style="text-decoration:underline;color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Transfusion">Transfusion
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Warwick" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Warwick's    Hungering Strike  and   Infinite Duress
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Wukong" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Wukong's    Nimbus Strike
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Xin Zhao" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Xin Zhao's    Audacious Charge
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Yasuo" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Yasuo's    Sweeping Blade
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Zed" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Zed's    <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Death Mark">Death Mark
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Zilean" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Zilean's    <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Time Warp">Time Warp
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Pantheon" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Pantheon's    Aegis of Zeonia  and   Spear Shot
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Poppy" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Poppy's    Diplomatic Immunity  and   Heroic Charge
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Quinn" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Quinn's    <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Vault">Vault
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Maokai" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Maokai's    Twisted Advance
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Master Yi" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Master Yi's    Alpha Strike
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Miss Fortune" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Miss Fortune's    Double Up
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Mordekaiser" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Mordekaiser's    Children of the Grave
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Nami" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Nami's    Ebb and Flow
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Nasus" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Nasus's    Wither
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Nautilus" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Nautilus's    Depth Charge
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Nocturne" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Nocturne's    Paranoia  and   Unspeakable Horror
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Nunu" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Nunu's    Consume  and   <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Nunu's Ice Blast">Ice Blast
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Lulu" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Lulu's    Help, Pix!  and   Whimsy
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Malphite" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Malphite's    Seismic Shard
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Malzahar" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Malzahar's    Malefic Visions  and   <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Malzahar's Nether Grasp">Nether Grasp
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Kha'Zix" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Kha'Zix's    Taste Their Fear  and   Evolved Enlarged Claws
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="LeBlanc" style="white-space:nowrap;"> LeBlanc's    Sigil of Malice and   Mimic: Sigil of Malice
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Lee Sin" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Lee Sin's    <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Dragon's Rage">Dragon's Rage
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Katarina" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Katarina's    Bouncing Blades  and   <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Katarina's Shunpo">Shunpo
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Jarvan IV" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Jarvan IV's    Cataclysm
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Jax" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Jax's    Leap Strike
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Jayce" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Jayce's    Thundering Blow and   To The Skies!
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Karma" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Karma's    Focused Resolve  and   Renewal
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Kayle" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Kayle's    Reckoning
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Kassadin" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Kassadin's    <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Null Sphere">Null Sphere
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Irelia" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Irelia's    Bladesurge  and   Equilibrium Strike
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Janna" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Janna's    <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Zephyr">Zephyr
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Fiddlesticks" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Fiddlesticks's    Dark Wind,  Drain  and   Terrify
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Fizz" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Fizz's    Urchin Strike
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Gangplank" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Gangplank's    <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Parrrley">Parrrley
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Diana" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Diana's    Lunar Rush
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Elise" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Elise's    Neurotoxin ,   Rappel  and   <span style="color:rgb(112,120,255);" title="Elise's Venomous Bite">Venomous Bite
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Alistar" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Alistar's    Headbutt
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Anivia" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Anivia's    Frostbite
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Annie" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Annie's    Disintegrate
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Akali" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Akali's    Mark of the Assassin  and   Shadow Dance
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Brand" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Brand's    Conflagration and   Pyroclasm
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Caitlyn" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Caitlyn's    Ace in the Hole
 * <span class="character_icon tooltips-init-complete" data-character="Cassiopeia" style="white-space:nowrap;"> Cassiopeia's    Twin Fang
 * All Autoattacks. Also Twisted Fate's stun card.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Unit-targeted

There's the complete list in alphabetical order.

" and her independence allows the team to play in ways others can't, a significant strength you can't measure in how hard her autos crit for."

You said that. That, if I didn't interpret wrong, is saying that her mobility is a strength that allows you to disregard her otherwise low damage. I disagree with that, because if she doesn't do enough damage it doesn't really matter how safe she is without peel compared to other Marksman, and even then her independence is constrained highly by the type of champion you're against.

What's really interesting is that you've yet to actually make an argument for why she's safe other than "She won't get hit by any skillshots" and that she can kite melee champions extremely well provided that they lack strong gapclosing. This entire debate over her safety is based around me humoring your idea that Kalista is actually impossible to hit with skillshots, which is far from the truth in the first place.

Unless I missed something, your very first post in this was that Kalista is a different type of adc that wouldn't be heavily effected by a nerf that would actually be extremely huge due to her mobility. I just don't get how you could possibly believe that, or even say that. Kalista losing that range with no compensation would completely kill her. making her near useless unless the entire enemy team consisted of Garens.