Talk:Ascended/Darkin/@comment-3573530-20170628112628/@comment-3974211-20170704200147

I think you fail the grasp the concept of meta-knowledge in a roleplaying context - although it's a fair mistake, I don't think Riot's ever done anything meta in their lore before. Kayn's lore confirms that Kayn and the Shadow Order did not know the true nature of the Darkin, at least prior to Kayn gaining the weapon. A true nature that was confirmed by the story-writer. Unless touching the weapon is akin to casting the D&D spell "Identify Item", Kayn will only have gained information that Rhaast has told him - which may not be true. Kayn is not a source of true information about Darkin.

However, I concede that at least Aatrox and Rhaast are imprisoned in the literal sense - I did not mean to argue otherwise, only that just because Rhaast is imprisoned doesn't mean it is a fact about Darkin. The writer says that only those two were imprisoned, so I was speculating at possible "technicalities" and plot twists - not arguing that it definitely was false. For example, perhaps Kayn is referring to the fact the weapon was locked away (as was the Bow) and he might not known Rhaast is imprisoned within the weapon - since Kayn previously believed the weapons to be sentient, rather than sentient beings trapped within them.

And yes, I missed the point where you changed the quote this chain of comments was talking about - so I apologise for not following.