Talk:Graves/@comment-88.102.160.74-20120713163812/@comment-81.226.176.44-20120722224811

He does indeed lose lane to Sivir and has a hard time agaisnt Ezreal and Caitlyn simply because of their range. Of course these 3 don't scale as well into late game so you just have to sit back and farm.

I wouldn't call him a hard counter to other carries since you can win by harass or passive play. His passive makes him difficult for other carries but he doesn't really become a hard counter unless you give him an armor buff from Taric or Soraka at which point an enemy AD simply does no damage against him in lane. It's not just the passive by itself but rather the combination of armor buffs. Also Taric Graves is an extremely lane based comp as both of them are strong in lane but scale worse than other supports and carries so unless you shut the enemy carry down extremely hard you might still lose later in the game.