Talk:Spirit of the Elder Lizard/@comment-5490997-20121119164720/@comment-5490997-20121126144725

^ Did you test any of those claims? You also pay 2400 gold for Ancient Golem, which Naut would get if not Elder Lizard. You don't apply the passive with AAs with Naut, you apply it with your E. Q and R also apply it (and of course auto attacks, but those are few).

Naut's job is also damage, he belongs in the category of tanks that attract focus by dealing damage. If he doesn't deal damage he just gets ignored after initiating (he's similar to Amumu, who also needs to deal some damage after initiating to attract attention and both of them also auto attack to apply their passives to people).

I agree Naut probably doesn't scale as well as Pant with the AD, but Pant's E doesn't proc the passive multiple times.

At least I didn't see 3 times "22" pop up rapidly when I used his E, in fact no true damage popped up at all during his E, only after that the burn kicked in an it did the usual 66 damage @ lvl 18 (3 times 22 damage over 3 seconds). I even pulled out a calculator to see if it might just not be showing the damage, but as far as I could see the "3 procs in under a second" weren't there.

I'm not really a Pant player though, let alone jungle him, but I still had some mana issues and in general the jungle was quite unforgiving up till my 3rd-4th round (with Naut it's only the 1st 1/2 of the 1st jungle round that's hard without help, after that I usually blaze through it easy).

Pant might scale better in theory with Elder Lizard, but I honestly didn't notice it. But I guess that might be because Naut deals more AoE with higher base damage. But if I had to buy this on Pant or Naut I would still go with Naut because this just doesn't give Pant the sustain he needs to jungle properly.