Talk:Graves/@comment-82.130.25.178-20120830021701/@comment-82.130.25.178-20120830111216

His buckshot is a joke late game because AA's do more damage unless all enemy are in front of u. And early it has a high mana cost to use for long range poking so basically it is only useful for those support stun -> graves eqrw situations. Ulti not that good unless u hit 3+ champs. Played a game with ezreal and instantly went 11/1/7 (against enemy graves) even though i can't even play him very well. For soloQQ games he is probably the only viable carry now, others are just lackluster or need too heavy team protection.