Talk:Zyra/@comment-201.221.203.113-20120731212708/@comment-24.246.78.135-20120801155816

Well EVERY champion can be countered, it doesnt exactly mean that they are not too strong and need to be changed. For example, Graves, before his nerfs, could be countered by Caitlyn (huge ranged, can dash away from his engage), Sivir (same strong burst and wave clear, can spell block his buckshot or ult), and Miss Fortune (high mobility, quick burst, and good AoE). Does this mean his nerfs were not justified? Of course not: he was still doing way too much damage and too tanky for an AD carry. While he can get countered to a degree in lane, he was still too strong against most champions, and the team would either have to take tons of damage from him or build primarily to counter him (losing a lot of damage and making themselves vulnerable to the other members of the enemy team). And look at him now; he's still perfectly viable and is one of the most played AD carries, even in tournaments. I believe Zyra has some balancing issues because it is too difficult to counter her without making several members of your team useless. Right now, even if you manage to catch Zyra out, the ones that know what they're doing will have built tanky, so she can still pull out her burst and use her plants and passive to contribute to the fight.