Talk:Udyr/@comment-2248060-20130322012415/@comment-3238314-20130322161528

You guys are, again (no surprise here) MASSIVELY BAD at judging ballance and kit cohesion. These changes indeed make udyr massively better.

What's even worse are the cretinous arguments you bring:

"taking away 12% armor and magic resist for unnoticeable movement speed" 12 armor and 12 magic resist every 100 armor are even more unnoticeable early game, and even more irrelevant late game. meanwhile, considering that nobody gets boots early anymore, and Udyr already has high base movement speed, 15 points of ms are extremely more relevant, especially combined with E and %MS increasing items. This passive allows him to have more MS than any squishy that has boots, without any boots!

"No more magic damage on Tiger? There goes your burst mixed damage on your kit. Just go armor to counter Udyr." - What burst mixed damage? This is udyr. Q - magic damage with R -magic damage is not exactly "MIXED". So what we'll have AFTER the change is mixed damage, and what we have NOW is just go magic resist to counter udyr.

"No more mana steal on W? There goes your sustainability in jungle and in lane, hope you like buying mp5 or flat mana." Yeah, because mana items like spirit stone, trinity and iceborn are completely unbuildable on him, and he didn't get any cost decreases to compensate at least a bit, right? wrong.

"Reduced duration of MS on Bear? I hope you don't like to chase for long durations of time with the most kitable champion in the game." Yeah, it's not like it was almost a general thing that nobody levels bear after 3, and even if you level it to lvl 5, he gets 8% MORE movement speed than before. He's definetly so fucking hurt by reaching his target faster instead of waddling to it over a longer perio. not!

"No more free AP/AD on his Phoenix?" - that were not really noticeable anyway, because of low AP scalings on R, and only 24 AD. I'm sure that the fact that R's passive now works as an on-hit and you can reliably predict when it's up, along with a better scaling on it can't compensate for that, right? yeah, right.