Talk:Swain/@comment-4834593-20131213113634/@comment-5587704-20140103132605

^^Lux has relatively weak pre six wich let Swain at least survive to his six and then farm decently. Orianna is the real lane bully for Swain, her Q-W poke doesnt leave any counterplay for Swain, and if you try to fight back when her W is down, its still to hard to get in range of her and she keep poking with low CD Q, and once you land some poke she just shields. And she pushes very fast, while barely using mana.