Talk:Pantheon/@comment-87.172.197.115-20120619080448

He sucks so bad vs not idiotic enemys... your ult wont hit even once, your damage will be ignorable unless you build full glasscannon (whats quite impossible as you'd die to many times to even farm enough minions). Sure you can snowball some noobs, but even if you get your stuff fully stacked a enemy with a usefull champ like Garen just comes in and takes you down.

I hate to say bad things about a Champion, as there are many ways to play them and I wont say I know all of them. But seriously unless you snowball and get fed like hell hes useless even around the 20 minute mark.

His Ult is plain useless, his Innate only helps vs towers and some pokes, his gap closer/stun is nice... but where is the fkin damage? You can build full glasscannon and still wont do anything, imo an assasin should be able to take you down in one blow, not derping around and wait for his only 2 dmg skills to come off cd to try it again.

For a melee-assasin, without escape (NO HIS ULT DOESNT COUNT AS ESCAPE!) he does nothing. And his shiny BONUS AD ratios are pure crap, on a AA you get around 150 of your ad into damage, so your base ad with a dorans would give more than 2 of his recommended infinity blades (!).

Early or by KS with Q you can get kills with him, but overall he's more of a burden to a team.

I'm sorry to write it in this way, but I'm really pissed of havin another nerved-to-ground champ for 3,1k. Imo a squishy Champ should either rock with AA (Carrys), have Heavy burst dmg (Veigar), permanent Skills for damage (Urgot, Cass) or great unique abilitys (Kass, Fiora (in theory she's squishy melee carry)). As pant you use Q, to poke (tough a smart enemy would easy outsustain it), for a "takedown" you go Q, W, E, Q and then you're useless as you only have your Q left and need to chase them (if they try to run), E is worthless in this situation and you wont really land your 120s sec ult in a way that it deals considerable damage.

In a 1v1 his damage is below Garen, Mundo, GP, Darius, Olaf and many more and thats fail. In a teamfight you might get some Kills that look great, as you could maybe deal 1/3-1/2 of their health with your QWEQ but thats only subjective, he deals not nearly the amount of damage to pay of for his risk.