Talk:Alistar/@comment-6281696-20140817104300/@comment-6281696-20140821222409

Meh, based on the few times I've faced him now none of that really works. In terms of poking, unless he's basicly just standing there and letting you take shots at him he really shouldn't suffer too much damage against most (at least untill you get a load of items) and his own harrasement is not only really obnoxious, but also quite quickly starts hurting in combination with items like trinity. He might only do it once every 10 seconds or so, but it easily takes out 20-30% HP on squishies, which basicly noone can really keep up with sustainwise. And once he has trinity even sturdier characters don't last all that long (yay for riot's obsession with damage...) spellblade + crit + combo just hurts quite badly.

In theory those all work, but in practise they all sort of fall short, due to lack of numbers & the fact that it relies heavily on Alistar being rather bad. At least with the current values alistar has. Before it would've worked, I've even stomped him before with pantheon, when he didn't have the mana to constantly harras and heal himself and didn't become immortal at level 6 (just really difficult to kill..).

On a sidenote, if that's the only reason why pantheon is considered bad late game then this community is more idiotic than I thought, CC ruins pretty much everyone. He's not really much of an outlier in that respect.