Talk:Riven/@comment-60.241.125.152-20121030210327/@comment-70.251.121.85-20121103180822

You bring in jungler with Rene but you advise Riven players to harass him early with "Q Q Q at level 1" thats road works both ways. If Rene Q's to sustain he'll push the lane but if you "Q Q Q at level 1" which you yourself said is when Riven had the advantage, Riven will push. At that point Riven becomes "free food for your jungler". Again you bring up skill matchup, Rene vs Riven is not a 5-5 skill matchup. It is 6-4 in favor of Rene which was my point this entire time.

How does Jax lose any of his damage? I gave you full example of what he will do in trades. If he starts the fight he Qs in, auto att and then W for an auto att reset but saves his E. Riven has two choices at that point either return the favor stunning with W and then going into his Q combo or run away. If Riven starts the Q combo Jax presses E. This is where you brought up about saving the three auto att passives and just doing the Q combo but Jax can just walk away from the auto atts.

If Riven starts the fight, Jax immediately press E and Riven loses half her combo while Jax can stand their and just auto attack her while the 2 sec dodge is in effect while throwing in his W and Q. After the stun he just walks away again.

If you are going to see this lane a few times do it in a higher ranked game not a random normal game because there is a difference.

So if u play riven and I play Ryze you should always be able to win if you make less mistakes then me? That once again can apply to every single champ in this game. People will never admit they got outplayed they will always find something they did wrong and use that as an excuse. However my belief is that when your opponent makes a mistake and you take advantage of it, that is outplaying them.