Talk:Volibear/@comment-24951773-20170509090548/@comment-24951773-20170615191720

Wow, I really couldn't disagree with you more.

1. Juggernauts absolutely trade tankiness for damage. That's literally what a bruiser is, and juggernauts are a subset of bruisers. Where do I see any tankiness? He literally builds full tank. His meta builds do not include any damage items, which separates him from every other juggernaut, and he doesn't build damage items because nowhere in his kit is he rewarded for doing so.

2. His E is probably the least of his worries. It fits in well with both his identity as a juggernaut and his identity as a thunder bear. I would also argue that his ult is not more interesting than his E. All his ult does is give him a shitty damage chain onto his auto attacks which already deal shit damage. It might look/sound cool but it is a low-impact spell and is weak compared to the ults of other champs.

3. His R AOE damage is huge? Hyperbole of the century. As it is his auto attacks don't deal significant damage, and his ult scales with AP which he would never build.

4. Once again, in what universe does volibear deal "tons of damage"? Even in terms of AOE he isn't impactful. You could be playing any of the recently reworked tanks and deal more AOE damage than Volibear, and have less trouble doing it.

5. Making him into an actual juggernaut doesn't mean losing the storm part of his identity, so I genuinely don't know where this point is coming from.

"Voli is mostly fine" http://champion.gg/champion/Volibear/Jungle He's one of the least played junglers while also sporting a winrate below 50%. I wouldn't call that fine. Stop saying he deals tons of damage, because that's not even remotely true.