Talk:Garen/@comment-9172004-20141102170454/@comment-15244341-20141108001608

That still sounds much much worse. Especially the part in which you can't augment damage. There is a reason Riven's ult is a beast, and that is Armor Pen items working with it. What happens with Garen's ultimate is that, since it's magic damage, it messes with people's builds really hard (never build MR vs Garen or you are screwed) early game. However, when late game comes, Garen isn't getting an ounce of Magic Pen. This means that MR built for dealing with any AP your team has is basically something in the range of 40% to 60% damage reduction to any target you can reach without flashing on flanking (frontline).

Garen not building damage and Riven building tankyness are unlikely. Like, almost impossible whatever the build. Tank Garen is straight trash and tanky Riven is a waste of her kit (since she actually just needs a GA plus high amounts of AD to be hard to kill).

So the difference is that Garen's ult is pretty much a tickle late game for the targets he can actually reach that hits one target and has a cooldown of a minute (with max CDR) and Riven's is a huge AoE damage nuke that gives her both tankyness (AD) and damage (AD). Plus it has half the cooldown. So yes, different. And Garen's is worse.

IF Garen can get to the squishies, then his ult is the awesome nuke it should be. Problem is doing that "get to the squishies" part, which wont happen anytime soon against a non-bronze support.