Talk:Veigar/Strategy/@comment-190.96.92.13-20121120172700/@comment-198.96.32.149-20130205183339

What is this burn damage you speak of? That's Liandry's Torment, not Shurelya's Reverie. Did you mean burst damage? Because Shurelya's actually reduces Veigar's, when you consider the AP you're missing out on. I do agree that the DFG is not as necessary as people think on Veigar. I have had much success playing without it, since I tend not to build it fully until mid-lategame to maximize the potential of Kage's Lucky Pick.

As to the viability of Shurelya's on Veigar: Health and CDR are both useful stats. It is also true that this item makes Veigar less squishy and helps him run away. However, the question is not "Is this good?" Rather, it is "Would something else be better?" You can open up an item slot for a Zhonya's by asking your support to build it instead of an Eleisa's Miracle. In my opinion, Zhonya's is nearly always the better defensive option, for two reasons. Being able to run away fast is most useful when you are in the thick of things. Frontliners benefit from Shurelya's much more than squishy carries. The entire point of Veigar is to show up, kill something from the back in half a second, and wait among your teammates for CDs. If someone jumps on you at this point, Zhonya's and your teammates will (hopefully) save you. With this in mind, assuming you consistently position yourself well, the only time you should be in danger and being chased is when you mess up your E, or if you don't have it up during a gank. Here is my recommendation: try playing Veigar with 2 or even 3 Quintessences of movement speed, and replacing your Shurelya's with a Zhonya's, or even a DFG.

As a side-note, try all of your casters with movespeed quints. It isn't the best ever for everyone, but Veigar is very vulnerable to being chased while his E is down. Other examples: Malz and Syndra are slow and need the MS for positioning. Ryze and Cassiopeia like to stay in range of their target. It also makes your ganks that much scarier, especially if you have a terrifying CC. Imagine Fiddles coming in for a gank with Sorc Shoes/Alacrity and movespeed quints.