Talk:Skarner/@comment-31112777-20170121224618/@comment-4091261-20170125224856

We ended up here because lore.

I'm sure what went through their heads was that they wanted to give him that ferocious power, but they couldn't really achieve that with previous methods since he could only achieve that strength later on in the game. However, his DPS did not derive from the typical supercharged back them. So it was moreso that he dealt above average damage with a lot of CC.

No matter what anyone says, is higher than. With the higher base numbers for damage output, it allowed to push past that late game status he had and become more along the lines of mid game. Reliability fell tremendously and that was the point. They didn't want to be generally above average anymore. They wanted him to be either weak or strong. I think what really makes it rough is maintaining this ratio.

Given that a lot of spires are in enemy territory. They want to be invading these territories. However, that action is extremely dangerous due to the risk of being surrounded by people who just stick to their lanes. That skew is what makes it very difficult for to actually perform well. People don't want to invade enemy territory, because people in solo queue stick to the norms and blatantly invading is clearly stacked against favor.

This combined with other changes that gutted traditional role as a jungler, ex. moving  to only, vastly decreasing the base damage output on , moving the  gains only to the zones, causes him to feel very weak compared to the standard jungler. However, these changes have greatly amplified his ability as a counterjungler.

I mean, if you think about it, the spires are always located at the only objectives worth caring about, i.e. buff locations. That said, if playing almost completely like a counterjungler, then is indeed much better. Higher base DPS and higher synergy means greater ability to be that Tanky DPS champion.

Of course, playing completely as a counterjungler is an undertaking not many people are willing to take. Which is why people who still play to the norms of the jungle will find he feels a lot weaker than his previous iterations. My opinion on this is that it was a pretty hard kick in the ass to players telling them to man up and embrace the change or give up and become deranged.