Talk:Udyr/@comment-5494818-20140507183808/@comment-5057599-20140512003851

@KimchiNinja My eyes...

'Clearing the jungle really helps win games doesnt it?'

You're playing a Feral Flare jungler and you're suggesting it doesn't? How much dumber can you be?

'while your phoenix udyr is killing a camp slightly faster i'll be ganking and killing people with an ability that does damage.'

No. While Phoenix Udyr is powerfarming you're TRYING to gank and kill people. Doesn't mean you'll be successful at it. Consistency often trumps potential and that's the whole idea behind the powerfarming style Udyr of Trick.

'Also with rank 5 tiger and a feral flame udyr takes the camps quicker than phoenix. So yes, while you kill those little mobs quicker you spend longer killing the big mob when i've killed the camp and moved on.'

No. Phoenix Udyr takes the whole camp down roughly at the same time without having to attack anything other than the big creep. Tiger Udyr has to kill each one individually, which takes longer. Phoenix Udyr also gets Feral Flare 4 or 5 minutes earlier, which is huge (12m on Phoenix vs 16/17m on Tiger IF you're farming correctly, and that's a big if). Maxed Phoenix Udyr is ALWAYS faster in the jungle compared to maxed Tiger regardless of what you say. If you can't understand this just go test it.

You're so clueless I would be stupidly shocked if you were anything above silver elo or some shit like that.