Talk:Ivern/@comment-3148314-20161104013512/@comment-3974211-20161115203917

He is good with a team of low-engage but high-point-blank champions, such as a Darius or Nasus top lane and a Skarner or Udyr in the jungle. He's pretty weak if he's the only melee champion or has a lot of ranged champions on this team, since he's a terrible tank (so little disruption and very little inherent ability to soak damage). Frankly, it feels like I'm playing a melee Janna - someone who is super frail and fairly good at not dying, whose scalings are all AP but generally better off ignored as she does virtually no damage in any case. I wish he'd be given more tools to either tank or enchant - such as Bushcaller's bonus damage applying to all allies; his Rootcaller's gap closer ignoring Bushcaller's bonus range; his seed or Daisy having a health scaling; etc. But pick one. I'd prefer to improve his Enchanter elements since Maokai is already the Vanguard/Warden tree.

Maybe if his Friend of the Forest didn't "free" jungle camps, but actually recruited them - causing them to join the nearest lane, similar to Doom Udyr. A support Ivern could go recruit Gromp and have a unique spot as a pushing support.