Talk:Riven/@comment-99.57.40.206-20111009040753

Never had any trouble with her. E is far too short to start a fight by itself (325 dash vs. annie's fireball being 625 range.) So for her to close a gap with anyone she has to do E+2-3Qs on thin air, which means when she arrives she only has her 0.75 sec W and autoattacking.

Which isn't even a half of Annie's basic 1.75 second stun.

Any good ranged person has a move to counter Riven completely. Annie stuns so that riven never gets into melee. Ryze immobilizes so that riven never gets into melee. Anivia stuns so that riven never gets into melee. Brand stuns so that riven never gets into melee. Cassiopeia slows / stuns so riven never gets into melee. Vayne either dives or knockbacks so that riven never gets into melee. Orianna slows so that riven never gets into melee. Teemo stands behind a mushroom and riven never gets into melee. Morgana or Lux Qs and riven never gets into melee.

Her 325-ish threat range is nowhere near enough to be a threat like Xin Zhao's instant 650 range gap-closing or Lee Sin's 975 range gap closing. The whole reason Lee Sin's tanky bruiser-that-kills-people is/was popular is because his Q can mean you make one tiny mistake at range-1000 and get hit by Lee's Q and he can go zooming over a wall and smash you without any ability to slow him or anything, you're hit and slowed by red buff before you can use any CC on him.