Talk:Riven/@comment-4834593-20131228142718/@comment-4834593-20140107142140

Even if you dodge that Q, good luck getting to her without wasting all your Q's and getting snared. There are some things that make this really hard:

1. Karma is ranged. If she knows what she's doing, you won't ever be closer than the distance of two dashes. If she instantly walks away, it might even be three dashes.

2. Karma has a slow/poke tool. If she mantra's it, not dodging it hurts a lot. That means you have to use a dash for that.

3. Karma has a snare. It's delayed, but it's coming anyways if you dont dash away. And if it comes she gets a free RQ on you.

4. Karma has a 60% speedup (if I'm not mixing up the numbers). That makes her, considering the short intervals between Rivens dashes, as fast as Riven for one or two seconds. So, that's two dashes mo... Oh wait, Riven doesn't have any more dashes. Well, bad luck then. Not gonna catch up to Karma without flash.