Talk:Udyr/@comment-175.143.210.60-20120606061653/@comment-99.230.173.138-20120611014009

Phoenix works perfectly fine against players. It just takes a bit longer. Phoenix's passive also works better than Tiger's for ganking since attack speed's effect is diminished by moving. One point in Tiger is also much better than one point in Phoenix.

Tiger has more burst, but it's still kinda unlikely to really cause a make-or-break difference in ganks when your target probably isn't going to die in less than 5 seconds and Phoenix is superior in every other manner hugely.