Talk:Udyr/@comment-69.22.179.161-20111224085242/@comment-115.85.33.141-20111224191605

getting wriggles was a must have before the gimp on the overall output of the procs, and since udyr has already beastly speed in jungling he doesn't really need it. might as well invest on being tanky or more damage output on other subjects like say, a champion.

i disagree with HoG or Philo being good with roamers, well yea they're viable but not always, if you'd look at it carefully you could've profited on just getting the flat mana/hp boosts from other items like getting a phage or sheen(sweet after changing stance), the mana regen of philo gives doesn't really help you with a massive spam of skills, it does however prolong you from running out of mana, though like i said, flat mana gives more options, and you don't really have any build path after getting philo, unless you're getting shurelyas...