Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-4677525-20120516081252/@comment-4677525-20120517081110

Fascinating, I seem to have extracted mostly good responses from my original posts. Frankly, I'm glad to see many of you guys are as passionate about Jarvan as I am and took the time to respond to some of the common Jarvan criticisms in a non-defensive way. I wonder if I should propose a similar line of questioning on the Viktor page...

@Nash: As a guy who plays both Trundle and Jarvan, I have to say that Trundle is a much better jungler but a worse champion than Jarvan. What I mean by this is that Trundle can kill neutral minions, can counterjungle and duel better than Jarvan, but Jarvan makes a bigger impact when it comes to ganks and teamfighting just because of the raw cc presence. While Trundle's pillar is great it just doesn't compare to DEMACIAAA (imo)!!

I play Jarvan primarily as a jungler, not because he clears the jungle fast or because his top lane is weak or anything like that. The reason I play Jungle Jarv is cuz his gank potential is so downright RIDICULOUS that I feel he is wasted in lane. He can benefit the team so much more as a jungler because of how devastating all his abilities are for ganking: E-->Q, ult and even W is so lethal only Lee Sin, Alistar or maybe Naut and Maokai can match it.

That's just my opinion, though, and I definitely think that he has better matchups in lane versus the jungle so I understand the rationale for putting him there. Still, for those who want to see a different side of Jarvan, try the jungle sometime; it's definitely worth it.