Talk:Swain/@comment-7095057-20160523083431

I'm kinda glad for the swain nerfs. At the same time his ult is kinda frustrating to deal with for the simple fact that the counterplay to it is essentially "Kill him fast" or "stay the hell away". As an ADC player who has to deal with the fact that mid/late game swain will likely have around 3k+ hp, and be healing well over 400 hp a second in the middle of a fight, even after his nerfs, I'm left to ask the simple question: How do you deal with his ult? At least when I top lane Nasus it's easy as I can out sustain him. With mid I can outrange him (Lux, Ahri), or burst him out of lane or to death (Veigar, annie), but that normally goes down the drain in a teamfight unless he gets focused as one of the first or second targets. He in turn negates this by using Zhonya and just healing back up over the next 2 seconds unless your team can get out of the massive range on his ult, which outranges every champion in the game outside abilities.

I'd love to know how to deal with it as a adc outside getting Mortal reminder and some sort of MR item like Maw, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of counterplay to this thing. Swain doesn't need to be exactly close to hit you with his ult, and the 120% AP scaling E does not help at all as a carry. The only possible thing I can see right now that could be done to introduce some more counterplay to swains kit would be to make his ult's range shorter (500 instead of the 700 he's at now), giving ranged carries a way to avoid geting killed by kiting properly, while letting Swain still have the tools in the form of his Q,W, and E to actually get in close. It'd force swain to have to get closer for his ult to do damage and lifesteal, ensuring he's more in the middle of the fight. but outside that I can't see much here.

So tl;dr: How do you beat this guy's ult outside just nuking him down?