Talk:Garen/@comment-24475393-20140127214412/@comment-4881935-20140128203011

Tothamon, I'm sorry to tell you again but you're mistaken. You are wrong about 'penetration' affecting Garen more. As Shaw Fujikawa already stated, penetration will not lower Garen's actual Armor/MR value. Penetration will ignore Armor/MR while during damage calculations but penetration does not actually lower the value.

Reduction (which includes shred) will affect Garen's actual value, and therefore weaken his passive. So quick summary, Penetration does not equal reduction/shred. Garen's passive is affected by reduction/shred.