Talk:Irelia/@comment-5037376-20180406181430/@comment-28977071-20180508021523

Guys, firstly please exclude me from the "stupidity&degradation" part of the conversation.

With that said, I wanted to react at your post, Kayriel: I find it amusing that you are considering Nazareadain's remark to be an (a wiki link, not your god, but still quite reliable), if they are formally supported and documented by non-stop accessible patch notes.

If an 'anectotal evidence' is "evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony", then what is Zeriel00's post actually? You call it "relaying fairly accurate information". In fact, I call it 'rumors'; or 'anectotal evidence' if you want it to sound better.

Btw, are you related in any way to Zeriel00, Kayriel? You have full right to defend a friend of yours who's been insulted of course, generally speaking. But friendship also leads to prejudices and human species have tendencies to support friends' opinions, howsoever faulty.

I used in a different thread as a patch-documented counterexample. The 'anecdotal evidence' stated above tries to bypass a 'disproof by counterexample' via usage of the word "most", however not based on statistical data mining rather than pure estimates. Now:

"most" -subjective evaluation "broken", "nerfed to the ground" -subjective quantity description "few months later" -indefinite time restriction

..where is a fairness and accuracy in anything of this?

In that other thread I already said my opinion that a smaller playerbase on PBE makes pre-release champ balancing less stable and thus prone to consequent fixes after release, so now I'm repeating myself.. Most regular players need some time to learn a counterplay against a new champion and that imo makes them appear more "broken" than they are. A single new-champ player can train and master a fresh release quicker than an entire community learns how to outplay the new addition. But once the dust've settled a weaker player might have a feeling that a champ is no longer playable, but in reality the champ's mechanics are balanced. Whenever I perform bad with a champ, I seek the source of failure in myself at first place.

These are just my subjective opinions though and I don't sell it as an acurate objective information in any way. Sorry for a longer post than anticipated..