Talk:Riven/@comment-8733289-20131224042732/@comment-9705522-20140107205326

i could show you why riven outdamages wukong, but frankly, im too lazy running numbers right now. but if you want to, consider this. wukongs ult deals 80-800 + 4.8 per ad damage. in that time he cannot use anything else. in that time riven would get in about 4 autoattacks (1 at the beginning, 1 for each second). with her ult active that is 1.2 per hit, or 4.8 per ad. but wait, there is more. she also has her q and w, which already outdamage wukongs e q, but wait, there is EVEN MORE. her passive, giving her another 0.2-0.5 per ad damage onhit. its quite clear who deals more damage. again, i could actually run the numbers, but im too lazy to do that, and i can already see what the result will be anyway. now, for lee sin. his shield doesnt actually give him LS/SV. thats his followup ability. which costs energy too. you are essentially using 80 energy for that. meaning you cant use all other abilities without regenerating energy bla bla bla lets skip this. first, it can give him a good amount of health, BUT, this is the thing. compare the shield strength. 200, up to 600 or even more. so, in order to make up for this difference, lee has to regenerate 400 health with his LS/SV. which he wont be doing that easily. remember, spellbamp is 33% for aoe. and while lee does regenerate energy really quickly, and generally has little to no problems, the big difference is riven never has problems. also, his shield, in order to be used as a dash, needs a target, rivens doesnt, bla bla bla weve been over this already. but the big difference is reliability. rivens e is absolutely reliable. there is no resource and no condition to consider. in lees case, both need to be considered.