Talk:Alistar/@comment-6281696-20140817104300/@comment-6281696-20140819113020

Well a large part of the trouble was that it's been so long since I've seen an alistar that I spent considerable time trying to figure out what the hell to do now as I couldn't find any flaw to take advantage of (just look at the stuff I can't do in the my first post). Had I hadan early game monster I might've simply pushed and just killed both him and the jungler each time they showed up. Had I had a manaless way to poke, or just harder hitting poke, I might've been able to bully him out of lane, and so on.

The difference with Mundo is that Mundo can't really poke me (dodge 90% of his Q's, problem solved), while alistar can. And his combo + an AA + a possible trinity hurts. Mundo doesn't have the same extremely disruptive CC, and mundo can actually screw up aspects of his kit. Stuff can miss, stuff can be on CD, mundo can be kited, none of that works with alistar, there's no real flaw in his kit which you can use (like dodging his combo, baiting something, staying out of range etc.). And that Mundo can't simply towerdive/engage without some defenses backing him up. His healing is potent, but without a bunch of defense items even he doesn't outheal the combined damage of a turret and a champion punching/shooting him for long. Not to mention ignite and stuff like armor penetration still counters both of that. Whereas Alistar's ultimate means that he doesn't even get gated by defensive items or allows for any way to circumvent the massive damage reduction. As soon as he has enough defenses in combination with his heal to not simply be bullied out of lane he no longer needs any more really. Alistar could essentially be played the same way as tryndamere, especially with that mana regen sword we have now, relying completly on his ultimate for defenses and it would most likely work. They both are champions that want to charge in, draw fire and then simply not care because of a ridiculous defensive steriod. It's that Alistar's kit has more utility and less raw damage, so noone plays him in the same glass canon way (plus there's no need to, just trinity really is sufficient damage for the most part anyway) but they both have surprisingly similar potential in that aspect.