Talk:VPBE/@comment-25493113-20150127214604/@comment-4270771-20150131073129

Veigar's passive is actually extemely important to his mid and early game, but only because his mana costs are absurdly high, plus he farms Q all the time = not just saving mana for trades. They could give him a new passive that somehow gives him more damage, but first they'd have to update his mana costs (back when they lowered a lot of mana costs on abilities and ults, somehow veigar was ignored). Or they could give him a mana refund mechanic on his Q. But he has to have built in mana fixing of some sort, or else he will be forced to rush tear first every game or go oom after 2-3  minion waves. Even now if you farm Q well, it's very hard to have enough mana for an all-in once you hit 6, since his full combo costs a whopping 345 mana at lv6. That's way above average mana costs.