Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-84.251.20.14-20130307005856/@comment-69.118.12.109-20130307230941

First of all shyvana was only suited for the old jungle where stealing buffs and camps was worth it.Still viable during season 2 but when aoe clearers that didnt include sustain damage they just plummet down the hill.Counter jungling isnt effective as it used to be and shyvana isnt the best duelistWtf are you talk about olaf not played?You seen multiple time in  competitive play especially in the na online qualifiers and stonewall has said he number one of the jungle list(currently) and was once the best jungler until lee sin came out.Nocturne is played as well too.....Warwick has good sustain but he has no cc  and has poor ganks until 6 and has no dueling power.That not the jungle problem thats warwick design problem.Shaco was spammed all over place because nobody knew how to play against him and was able to snowball much more effectively back then.Now with players getting better your started seeing less shacos.He just needs to snowball(Which is why he isnt viable now)Fiddlesticks in competitive play?PlZ.One steal of his blue buff and hes crippled in tournaments.Always was a last pick  jungler.WTF UDYR NEVER PLAYED?He was a top jungler in season 1  and season 2.I dont know where your getting facts  from.