Board Thread:Wiki discussions and announcements/@comment-145064-20140320170332/@comment-145064-20140324095511

Feirund wrote: You do realize that nobody's bored enough to browse through extended periods of conversation to uncover some random inappropriate comment or link, right? Believing that conversations being logged is somehow gonna get back at you (provided you're not doing anything clearly against the rules) can be seen as either too self-aware or simply paranoid.

Do law enforcement authorities in real life not have the right to browse through personal information in order to collect evidence on criminal activities? Seeing how we cannot foresee any criminal acts in advance, chat logs are about the only way to get proof on a user's misconduct. Testimony aside, because testimony is biased. People gonna steal the font? Vandalise the background? E-murder the hypotenuse? Genuine criminal activity warrants it, this does not.

Shaw Fujikawa wrote: I find it patently ridiculous that people complain of an invasion of their privacy when dealing with logging of a public chat room which anyone can join.

Even beside that, it's not as if the logs are being used by an automated system that regularly scans the chat and automatically hands out bans to anyone who happened to type the wrong combination of letters. Why would be people be afraid of what is being said so long as their conversations are within the rules? I assume you have already gladly accepted the suppository alien-shadow-government probe since you have done nothing wrong.

TaC0CaT wrote: Romans 13:3

"For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you."

Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of TehAnonymous; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of TehAnonymous to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of TehAnonymous, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.… Read up, also: Don't quote an ancient text written when ease of access of information, human rights or "Big Brother syndrome" that many agencies and governments currently have didn't exist. Example: "Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9

ShadowAaron34 wrote: " invasion of privacy n. the intrusion into the personal life of another, without just cause, which can give the person whose privacy has been invaded a right to bring a lawsuit for damages against the person or entity that intruded ....[wordwall] Firstly, who are you? Secondly, where did you find the words "public chat" that you keep mentioning? Thirdly, what is said is not recorded or broadcasted to everyone within earshot, well, WASN'T... When you enter chat you only see last few minutes of what was written that has been deemed shareable by the peeps in it.

TehAnonymous wrote: Thank you for bringing up a very good example of why we should not rely on screencaps. Nystus often doctors his screen captures of what other people have "said", to comic effect. A logging bot documents all of this without any editing, and if anyone attempts to edit the logs, their marks will be left in the page history.

The intent is not to collect personal information. The chat policies will be updated to reflect that personal information should not be shared publicly, and limited to private messages. You have proof of this "often doctored" statement? No? Okay. If you honestly want peeps to believe that said logs can't be modified before uploading then you take everyone for a computer-illiterate idiot. Nice job on editing the logs, by the way, malicious or not it distorts what has been recorded. Also, said policies would've been completely untouched had I not brought up this now-an-issue.

TehAnonymous wrote: SIDE NOTE - MY NEFARIOUS USES OF LOGGING: I was out doing FNM last night, leaving StealthTeh on. I came back late, then looked through to see if anyone had any legitimate concerns about logging, saw plenty of normal discussions, harvested a few quotes for my wall, and made a reply to an admin of the Spanish interlanguage wiki helping him out because he showed up while I was afk. I hope this shows that the logs have positive uses, and are not for finding out where you all live. Reasons and uses for yourself, not anyone else, made after an unwarranted and unjustified action.

Gamefreak776 wrote: I don't see how it's an invasion of privacy. It's a public chatroom. Now, if it logged our private messages in the chat—which hardly anyone uses—that would be an invasion of privacy. There are security cameras in almost every store and school. Is that also an "invasion of privacy", too? The cops are not always there to catch the thief. Similarly, the mods are not always there to catch the delinquent troll, even though some of them stay up late at night. When I am in the chatroom, usually everyone is afk. I guess it must be safe to post illegal links and quickly flood the chat to cover it up.

I've read an article about Google Glass being invasive. This guy went into a Cafe and he was mobbed by this angry women complaining about the camera feature and how it is an invasion of her privacy. There is a security camera in the cafe, too lady -.- It makes no sense. I've been in the background of many "selfies" that I didn't know about then without permission and I don't mind because it's in a public area. If someone took a picture of me taking a ****, now that's considered creepy. O_o Cameras (footage of which is NOT available for everyone and their grandmas to peruse, mind you) are used for reasons mentioned above. Comparing a room with lockless doors, but doors nonetheless, to an actually public area is just asinine.