Talk:Trundle/@comment-188.126.203.38-20111019204324/@comment-98.210.146.225-20111024042543

These counter-arguments make me seriously question your elo and experience with other Junglers.

First off, when the hell can you ever just run straight up to someone and hit them with red buff?? Do your opponents overextend that much next to an unwarded bush? During the laning phase you'll only have a level 1 contaminate which gives you only 20% ms buff (wihch isn't much, becuase you still have basic boots). Pillar only slows for 25% percent at level one, which is really, really lame. You'll most likely max out bite, otherwise damage is lackluster.

Like I said, trundle has superior jungle control and does well in teamfight situations later on with a well-placed pillar. Let's exclude the top tier junglers that can actually gank/carry/anti-carry extremely well. Let's take olaf for example, who's out of favor atm. He can build ridiculously tanky, do even more damage than trundle, and is the definition of an anti-carry with CC immunity. His axe also provides a continuous slow if thrown properly. So you focus on tankiness, late-game damage, ability to ignore CC and take down the carry... how the hell can Trundle compare even to the mid tier Olaf?

And I'm saying this from the point of view of WANTING Trundle to be good. Most Trundle's I see suck, overestimate their damage and tankiness. Whenever I see a good Trundle (rare), I check the match history only to see that they do better with other Junglers.

I was looking for examples of WHY you think Trundle is good compared to other Junglers, from your own personal experience, of course having played every Jungler extensively. I.e. he works great in this team comp or when counter-jungling X champion. Not "his ganks are super strong, nuff said".