Talk:Elise/@comment-178.166.24.118-20121023140541

So, I played with and against her on PBE several times now. The biggest problems about her in mid lane is the lack of a reliable farming tool and the relative short range on her main harass ability, which is her Q. The most common mages picked these days can push very quickly and efficiently (Twisted Fate, Anivia, Orianna, Karthus, Zyra, Katarina, Gragas, etc.). Elise can only push fast with her human form E and even then it's cooldown is very long and the AoE is nothing to be impressed with. Meanwhile trying to blatantly trade with Q exposes her to quick burst combos from the enemy laner. Being in spider form puts you at melee range which is not recommended at all unless you're baiting for a gank. I picked Ahri and LeBlanc and I completely stomped Elise in both occasions. And I'm 100% sure that the inexperience of she being a new champion was not a major factor in the gameplay. Her kit simply doesn't allow to lane against mobile and burst champions. She gets decent sustain with Revolver thanks to the dmg output on Q, but I was so far ahead of her by that time it simply didn't make a difference.

After I spotted so much trouble in mid lane I decided to try her as a jungler only. She actually does fine as long as you have a major leash in your first buff, otherwise you can't start boots + 3 and have to go for cloth + 5 instead. I started W in spider form and she clears small camps quite decently and with some sustain thanks to her heal. It's kinda sad her spiderlings can't be ordered to tank the camps, but I suppose that would make her too strong as the most sustainable jungler in the game. Ganks are all about landing your skillshot stun in human form and quickly using human form Q before switching to spider form and try to chunk the rest of their HP bar.