Talk:Sivir/@comment-4128642-20111127060450/@comment-4128642-20111128043514

@Contributor: With CDR you can drop up to 1.8 sec your ricochet ; if you avoid AS, that's one ricochet every 2 attacks. (swing time being around 0.9 at 18 with less than 20% AS - if they don't change base AS that is) If you make a ricochet every 2 attacks, you basically deal half the ricochets damage you did before. BUT : - it now has a base (bonus) damage. - damage on the first target is 1.5 times what it was before - and that's the target that was taking the most damage before (a third of the total AOE damage) Instead of having 100% (first target) +200% (other target), you now have 150% (first target) +100% (other targets), meaning your AOE deal 250% instead of 300%... If you add the base damage to that (something between 20% and 75%), you are very close, if not better than what it was before ! Midgame it could be amazing.

@YoshinatorZ : I did no spreadsheets for jungle ; we have not enough information and I feel it's more a metagame change than a number tweaking overall. More gameplay than maths in this :p

@Contributor: Silver Bolts are overall overestimated because they look scary - it's a nice DPS buff for sure, but it's nothing compared to next-hit ability that reset swing timer, as long as you don't fight a tank or an offtank. Of course Vayne has one too, but hers is less convenient. (too long to cast because there's the animation to play) Vayne base AS is not as good as Sivir one, too. (Vayne need ~10% more AS than Sivir) - Vayne has a roll that can invi on ult and a push - Sivir has a movespeed huge buff as long as she's hitting something, a movespeed huge buff on ult, and a shield that can absorb a hard cc. Vayne movespeed works only when she's approaching champ, so it is useless when you try to flee. I admit the invi + push is good, but to me the shield is awesome in the hands of a good player (remember: 6 sec CD shield @ 18 with CDR cap...), and the movespeed of Sivir is just UNSTOPPABLE. :3

Overall I feel I will finally be able to play one of my 3 favorite champ again. \o/