Talk:Riven/@comment-60.241.125.152-20121030210327/@comment-70.251.121.85-20121102195713

No one stand stills to auto attack after 1300elo. Its a series of back and forth jukes in the creep line to either cs or harass.

The point of the three matchups i brought up was about why riven is at a disadvantage position against them.

Yes combos are nice when you pull them off but thats when you pull them off. From my recollection I've faced Jayce 3 times from the 1400-1600elo range. In those three matchs Jayce has never initiated a fight against me unless it was becuz I was low and he wanted a kill or becuz a gank was set up. Jayce's range is 500 so yes in theory you can E W him on reaction if he goes to harass you, but more often then not that will not happen. He simply turns when you turn. He doesnt need to harass you to be more useful then you. He will always have his long range poke and his built in shurelyas

oh and your comment about building health. doran blades provide health.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24483964#ranked-stats

im nowhere close to high level but im not some random ass riven scrub talking out my ass either.

With renekton I will give you that pre 3, Riven does have advantage(thats true with most of her matchups to begin with). However Rene doesnt need to trade with you early lvls nor will he. You are the one who needs to trade with him to abuse your advantage. This doesnt always go well either becuz of minion positioning. If you are forced to go in the minion line to harass him, they will hurt like hell and you might end up losing the trade simply cuz of minions. Post 3 u lose becuz of skill set.

You missed my point entirely concerning Jax. Its not that Jax becomes dangerous at lvl 3, its that you no longer become dangerous to him. When he hits E you save your 3 auto attack passives but how are you going to hit him? After he does his combo ending with his stun, he gives you one last auto attack and then walks away. You cant catch him, Rivens base movement spd is less then Jax and all of you skills are on cooldown.

I stopped maxing W after the nerf on it. I think u thought that becuz i said "burst with W on reaction". I said "burst" becuz the skill is ki "burst" sry for confusion. I always max Q after the W nerf. I dont play blind pick normals nor do i set myself up in 2v1 lanes where E is needed first.