Talk:Riven/@comment-4915885-20120401230906/@comment-4952847-20120402003918

She is not the strongest AD carry. She can fill the role of a carry but she really isn't one. Reasons being:

1) Her damage comes from repeated skill usage. Traditional carries' damage come from auto-attacks. This does not make her weaker but her damage will be less consistent compared to a traditional carry.

2) Her damage steroids do not reward using auto attacks as much as traditional carries'. Tryndamere has increased crit rate, Vayne has Silver Bolt, Cait has Headshot, Ashe has passive crit and Frost Arrows... etc. Riven however, even with her damage steroid active, is still encouraged to use skills for damage.

3) She does not scale particularly well with attack speed because she is not as auto-attack reliant as a traditional carry (for the above reason). Thus she is unable to fill the role of a carry quite so well. It is not only required for a carry to leap into a teamfight and kill, it is also required that they can push towers fast / backdoor. Riven, being able to push minion waves at lightspeed, has mediocre tower-downing speed at best.

4) With all the reasons summed up, her damage output does not jump like carries' do. Her output growth goes in a straight line while carries' outputs sort of grow exponentially. This is because the best stat on her is straight AD (thanks to her godly scaling).

This is not to say she is unable to hold her ground against a traditional carry. She is certainly capable of ripping apart even farmed carries if played well, but she doesn't fit into the role of a carry as much.

My full build does take crit into account, and can crit 800~900 without ulti on, but because I am constantly on the move, using Qs and EW combos to disrupt the enemy team, I don't get the benefit of traditional AD carries who can really just latch onto a target and fire away. Which leads to point 5:

5) She has very fast and somewhat reliable disruptions. Carries aren't expected to do that stuff. Carries have single target knock-backs or snares or AoE slows to keep their target (singular) in check. Riven has to stop channeling, toss a quick stun to allow teammates to escape, etc.

So all in all, she's not the best AD carry because specifically in this role she is outclassed by the traditional carries. However she is definitely one of the strongest AD fighters in the league without questions.