Talk:Kindred/@comment-16064126-20151011021743/@comment-5955640-20151011174454

Quinn is the opposite of your argument. Valor does everything. Quinn does very little. That's no more balanced than anything else. The least balanced pet user aside from Malzahar who does literally nothing with the voidlings.

You've never played Dota. Well let me tell you how the Lone Druid Bear works. It's another champion. You ever played an RTS? When you play Lone Druid you have a two man Sqaud on your hands. You literally have to go back and forth between commanding the Bear and Commanding Lone Druid.

You effectively control two characters indivually.

Or how about this? The Lost Vikings in Heroes of the Storm IS a sqaud of three characters that you command indivually and as a team with their own health bars and abilities.

Riot isn't even close to coming up with a complex or a confusing command system for players to work with. ALL of the pet systems are lackluster and weak. The pet system in this game as a matter of fact just pales in comparison to what it can be and is in other games.

None of the pets or clones in this game have more complexity than Wolf. An AI that interacts with the player, isn't hindered by HP, and isn't gated by specfically summoning the unit to fight for a brief window of time. The only spell that he doesn't have an active role in is the ult but that's only because he doesn't have an HP bar to save.

No one has mentioned top tier jungle value. That's a really silly thing to specify on a champion that's just come out. I was referring to the fact that it's more of a struggle for them to be in the jungle than it is for them to be in lane and that Kindred is more made for tailor made for jungle and won't be weakened by the upcoming nerfs. Quinn and Vayne were not the marksmen I was referring too. I was speaking about Jayce, Gnar, Urgot, and Teemo. Now all four of them you COULD play bottom lane but they have very specific weaknesses that make being an effective bottom laner hard.

But said weaknesses like being melee, having a really short range, and utility rather than damage steroids are things that work out well in top lane. Quinn and Vayne are top laners simply through the virtue of having exploits against melees. Mainly their Es. Actually it's entirely their Es (although that's not to say Quinn's Q doesn't help but that was just as useful bottom as it is on top).

There is a difference between how you feel and how something actually is. Which is what I'm getting at. You are feeling that but it's not a matter of fact.