Talk:Ekko/@comment-26313342-20150617060153/@comment-5955640-20150620180841

He isn't doing a Veigar ultimate with his ult.

They both have a 500 damage base and Ekko has 30% more scaling on the damage than Veigar's but Veigar has a 80% additonal scaling based on his enemie's AP. Not to mention Q.

Ekko does more damage with his ult when hitting people in general but against other AP mages Veigar does a lot more even when they build resistances unlike Ekko's ult.

And after that in a fight you still have to wait four seconds for it to be in range which is not the sort of delay of damage Veigar suffers from.

Using the ult to escape and then recall to go back to base would mean you're out of the fight or out of lane. Just enough for the enemy team to push to win taking your team out or taking a turret.

You have to have the heal otherwise you just get a fancy flash where you really can't control where it sends you back too.