Talk:Skarner/@comment-25807555-20141203213950/@comment-25807555-20141209001936

Buffing fighters like that, requires nerfs to their fighter aspects, which ruins them as Fighters, like what happened to Skarner. It's not a good idea, it's just like the Thresh, Lissandra or Sion passives.

What should be done about those passives is a direct passive nerf. Insead of nerfing Lissandra via mana costs and mana regen, make her passive have a higher CD if it's a problem (it's not) Thresh should get armor per level, and just get less armor from his souls. Sion should have a normal hp and hp per level and just get less from his minion kills.

Turning these passives into small buffs, instead of the current make a champion complete garbage and then try to fix the problem via abilities or passives would make it feel like the champion actually has a passive. Getting low armor values from Threshs armor passive would be a lot better than getting so unlucky with soul drop rates that your adc has more armor than you.

The way this applies to Fighters is, Fighters excel at fighting, they are already seperated by the differences like combo fighters (Darius, Pantheon, Garen) Inescapable Duelist Fighters (Skarner, Volibear, Xin Zhao) Hit Shit Never Die Fighters (Old Sion, Olaf, Some Irelia/Fiora builds) Weak Early but Outrageous Scaling Fighters (Riven, Nasus even though he isn't that weak early, Poppy)

Fighters have strengths and weaknesses, but when it comes down to it, they are all good at fighting. They should always be good at fighting, Skarner is no exception.

To get a little more into that specific fighter comparason, Olaf has built in life steal and true damage damage, his passive gives him mroe AS the lower his health, meaning build the 3 LS items and 2 defense items, BotRK gives AS and BT gives a shield, Hydra gives AoE, as long as you hit stuff you can't be kill mostly, Sion had this playstyle to, now normally this is beaten by 1 shot combo burst or CC. Olaf passive negates CC and building durability negates burst. Mundo is a completely different champion, focused on build HP and HP Regen, he wants to tank for long periods of time, trying to mimic Kirito from SoA a bit by having such high regen that his enemies don't even scratch him (but ofc less OP) They are very different champions and I still consider Mundo to be improperly classed as he still doesn't get very much duel potential off that but then again he does get a bullshit amount of AD from his E so whatever.