Talk:Ryze/@comment-70.79.143.203-20111027055109/@comment-203.206.4.104-20111115024831

and people who dont build any ap on him, you guys do realise that you'l need about 5000+ mana just to get near the damage output of an ap stacking champ. ryze still NEEDS ap. at least get him an archangels to benifit from all the mana stacking. He doesnt gain that much extra damage from mana alone, its 8% on his Q , only 5% on his W. with 5000 mana this will give you an extra 400 on his Q, and 250 on your W

Sorc boots, Archangel , RoA , BV , Frozen heart , then either another RoA or a Deathcap