Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-165.130.136.210-20110725002413/@comment-98.252.26.207-20110725081854

Yeah, I used to think crit was good on Garen, but I realize that's just not the way to go unless you're absolutely stomping your enemies, and even then it kind of feels trolly and inefficient.

I just can't help but think you're basing all of this off of bot games. I don't mean to be rude, but 2x Infinity Edge? That sets up tons of red flags, and you're the guy below talking about "killing like a boss" and rushing Ghostblade.

But I have this to say to the general Garen playing population: My builds that focus on maxing Judgment's damage consistently out-damage my crit-autoattack builds that use Infinity Edge and Phantom Dancer. There are a few reasons for this.

First, Judgment's numbers are actually quite good. He does a lot of damage, it just doesn't look like it.

Why?

Because it ticks every half second, so it looks like it's doing half the damage it really is. Realistically, Judgment can hit 300-600 or so damage per second, but it only looks like 150-300 because that's how much each tick takes off.

If you go crit, you lack survivability, get easily focused, and die. You're also more than likely doing less damage than if you used Judgment. It's that simple. Part of why Judgment does more damage is because Garen stays in the fight longer and does more damage over time (which is what he was designed to do in the first place) because he can afford to build more survivability.

Sword of the Occult is... hmm... an interesting choice, but risky. Not really worth it. I know Pantheons get it, but I wouldn't as Garen.