Talk:The Black Cleaver/@comment-4947142-20121208202811/@comment-4659726-20121208214142

You know, before experiencing Black cleaver stacking and AoE physical damage teams I was 100% behind AD casters getting a little better itemization since all they needed was a "core" item like deathcap or IE.

That said...black cleaver is just silly and obviously will be nerfed. Hopefully everything except the hp and AD is unique and the % pen goes down to take into account LW with Black cleaver. It is just a shame tanks can't do their job currently because any defenses they buy are offset by this item and LW. The cost of the item imo should be 3200-3600 as it is one of those strong items.

Other core items on AP carries and AD carries aren't very good when stacked because of other item's abilities and variation in stats. Stacking deathcaps or IE's isn't very very good since you need other stats. The same should be said about the cleaver. You should only really need ONE.