Talk:Wukong/@comment-5877442-20140219142029/@comment-7846894-20140304194110

He's only picked because of his high damage and godly initiation. His clear, while not terrible isn't great and has mana issues that are fixed only after getting a spirit item, however he gets first blue anyways. His early game ganks are pretty sad. He lacks cc pre 6 and only really comes into play after 6. HOWEVER he gets naturally tanky due to his passive and has crazy damage once he gets his hands on his ult. His ult is gamechanging. The jungle changes have welcomed him since he has issues getting that gold top, his ult is basically Malphite and Fiddle sticks love child with an AD scaling. As for comparing him to other junglers such as Vi, she's emphasized on a single target and offers different things to the table. She has crazy initiation and crazy damage, however her damage and disruption doesn't come close to Wu late game. She's better for picking people off and has a far better early game, clear speeds and has an easier time snowballing lanes.

Lee sin is always good. But his initiation isn't as good. While Lee also has a game changing ult. It takes far more skill.

Nocturne? He's not even a factor anymore, since Panth was doing his job better and the recent nerf to fear was the last nail in the coffin. Is he unplayable? No. But why would you go out of your way to play him when there's no upside to picking him other than preferring his playstyle? He's not unviable, but everyone is doing his job far better at this moment.