Talk:Nocturne/@comment-4638923-20120329195501/@comment-68.75.224.214-20120331120358

If you want to deal true damage to all non-buff minions with your Arpen, you'll need 10 arpen. AS can fit in from glyphs or marks, I'm personally saving for a set of AS blues to go with my flat armor seals, 6 arpen marks, and 3 flat ad marks and quints.