Talk:Kayle/@comment-76.92.184.123-20120520221519/@comment-2124153-20120521204047

@first anon: I gave Rageblade a big advantage by assuming full stacks at all times. Realistically, this doesn't happen, as you know, and Kayle will start fights with less than the full AS/AP. If you want to discuss the full value of the items, AKA what else you could build with 4850g, we can have that discussion (probably it's Zeal, Infinity Edge). But that's separate from the issue of AP efficiency.

@raging anon with the horrible build:

It's not "astounding" to anyone but you, who hasn't bothered to crunch the numbers. Spell vamp is not equal to the task of healing in the middle of a fight (i.e., not blowing up a random minion wave to top yourself off) because of the AOE reduction. Lifesteal is only worth the AD that's behind it. Kayle with decent AD/lifesteal is easily restoring 70+ health per hit, which you might notice more or less instantly obliterates any advantage that you get from W's AP ratio. Hybrid Kayle is considerably less effective, due to wasting gold on things that aren't AD or lifesteal.

Phantom Dancer has a multiplicative effect because it has both crit and AS. The fact that it doesn't have AD is irrelevant, because Kayle has AD (her base AD, and AD from other items like Doran's/IE, runes, and masteries) that benefits from crit/AS. This is basic math.

Hybrid builds work on people like Jax or Ezreal, because they have autoattack kits with considerable AP returns.

Movespeed is hella overpowered as a stat, and the fact that you don't think so reveals you to be a weak player. Do you know why Janna is one of the best supports in competitive play? You might be surprised to learn that her passive has a lot to do with it. They've already toyed with nerfing the MS on Zeal and PD on the PBE, even. Do you recall what the MS/passive/ult nerfs to Vayne did to her earlygame?

Riot's "intentions" for champions are irrelevant. They "intended" for Akali to be a hybrid champion, but she got away from them because she's best built straight-AP. That's because players build what is effective, not what Riot declares what they should do. You can identify noob Akali players by the fact that they build a Rageblade on her. Same with Kayle. She USED to be good hybrid, back with her old passive, but those days are long gone.

You and every other player who builds Kayle sub-optimally give her a bad name. You and your other compatriots in ignorance are why people think that she falls off lategame, or that she can't deal damage.

I shredded your post, and I will shred every other post you make. You've been reduced to sarcasm and bluster, which makes you look sad and desperate. Bring it on son, I can do this all day long. Down with foolish Kayles, spare no expense.