Talk:Rammus/@comment-70.53.209.42-20120801213736/@comment-5009341-20120802200551

well, amumu always was (he scaled very well with AP and could eventually be played as AP carry, thats why his ratios got nerfed)

same for alistar, the nerf just happened quite long ago

leona deals in an indirect way quite a lot of damage, (but she is more of the supporting type, btw phreak recommended trinity on her)

if people played sejuani/nautilus with atma+warmog+MoM+witsend+PD+ninja, she would be the new CCmetagolem, very strong lategame, due to so much cc and damage, but people prefer to build full tank build, so we might never see them

basicly there are no real tanks (pure cc and def, but no offense),

a kit with a lot of CC is quite good suited for AD builds (dps while cc->kill before the enemy can do anything ~ burst)