Talk:Ryze/@comment-4900160-20150110015841/@comment-3578129-20150111143527

'''Riven has no spammable harass (means a damage spell on 4 second CD), extremly low innate health regen, and is heavily dependant on her cooldowns. She furthermore has no long dash while being melee and having to be on top of the enemy.'''

'''So everytime she uses a spell to farm, you can punish her. If you can work around her shield (which isn't hard), you can poke her down. If you got just a bit of CC, you can mess up her ability-chaining. If you can stay on range, she's useless.'''

That's complete bullshiet. Spammable harass doesn't depend of champion's secondary resourse: kennen, zed, akali, kata, aatrox and other have low cd poke, but they do not use mana. Udyr for example doesn't have pokes, but he is using mana; same with irelia, jax, wukong, xin etc.

Cooldowns put limits to almost all champions except autoattacking ad carries.

Riven doesn't have long dash, but does have 4 short dashes with some of the shortest CDs among all champs plus some damage or utility put to every dash.

Riven is the worst example of "balanced non mana user". Yasuo is next in this list.