Talk:Shaco/@comment-28465461-20160708102516/@comment-28465461-20160712032408

@JasonWildBlade

I don't mind if he keeps both stealth (even though it is instant... annnoying but its fine) and blink. But the problem is that it is beyond overloaded, while the rest of his skills are terrible. Asking for a nerf would make shaco litterally useless completely so defending him to some extent. But his blink and stealth should be on two seperate abilities. He is the only champion that almost always gets away when I am about to dump him unless he does that trick towards the pink wards and I catch up to him.

Shaco does not have a strong invade at level 2, he waits for people to get low to invade while they are trying to clear early (this happened to me twice like a year ago when I never played against), so I disagree. Plus, you don't need to play that safe, and invading him at level 1 is the best option, he will start boxes as if you kill him for first blood, force him out of his traps or take his camp, he struggles to clear and won't even hit level 2 before I hit level 4 (I have done this to shacos that like to carry smite and ignite, he's litterally a free kill if you catch him).

Also do not carry wards as a jungler after backing, switch sweepers as he loves to abuse Q. Shaco is kind of immune to stealth wards if the player knows where the laners ward, pink wards are better but I can't rely on teams to ward in certain places to make sure that if shaco decides to do a gank, on top of that if someone like Renekton is bullying his enemy laner pretty hard, shaco can't do anything about it, the smart laner will just fight him back.

Shaco only have cheesy tactics, which is why I hate shaco in the first place. He's not strong in any phase of the game, regardless of the ridiculously broken decieve. He's meant for outplaying players, but I think I hate his ultimate more than his Q... Just straight up laughable, LB's passive is far better, you can't tell the difference between LB if she is utilizing her passive well. Shaco? Who would not fall for his trick? Color blind people?

Anyways, if I go up against a smart shaco, he's always going to proxy-farm the base then just dissapear the moment he notices my teammates or even myself porting back to base, making us waste time just to try to kill him. Singed kind of does the same thing but he dies rather easily, but not shaco, slippery bastard clown usually dissapears the moment he even notices people going back towards their base and if you try to run back towards the base, his jack-in-the-box stops you and he gets away untouched everytime.