Talk:Irelia/@comment-94.192.16.137-20120318213348/@comment-94.192.16.137-20120324013827

"OP is asserting things without making any effort to back them up; not knowing the origin of "better nerf Irelia" is just one indicator of it. People have made cogent arguments in defense of Irelia's current power level, he just does not see or chooses to ignore them"

OP here, I have to say that your argument here strikes me as petty and derisory, it seems aimed only at dismissing, and not at building on what I originally said. I don't imagine Morello or other rioters actually started the "better nerf Irelia" meme, even if they have good-naturedly co-opted it, but if that's what you're suggesting I'd again restate what I just said - you're being aloof and dismissive about my argument for petty reasons, because even if Morello started the meme (which I'm starting to suspect is what you mean), it wouldn't change the fact that Irelia players have often used it as a bitter jab in the ribs towards riot and anyone who thinks she's overpowered. My point is that you can overlook any minor imperfections or signs of ignorance in my argument (maybe there's another origin of the argument that I haven't imagined or countered yet) and just work with what is worthwhile in it.

I have to say that, in my experience, the arguments for Irelia being balanced (you can shut her down early, shouldn't let her free farm) have been discounted over time - she doesn't get shut down so much as delayed a touch, and she farms extremely well by most standards, so it's hard to stop her farming, especially if you have to do this all game. The latest argument seems to be that there are stronger tops (WW, Yorick etc.), which is fair enough, but Yorick bullies most people, not just Irelia.