Talk:Karma/@comment-4636093-20150516141238/@comment-1330314-20150517124640

I was mainly talking about the LoL forum culture, which has a tendency to be excessively conservative and nostalgic, especially for Karma. Going back to her rework, I don't think "giving Old Karma a chance" makes any sense, because Old Karma's mechanics were fundamentally bad, which is why she got overhauled: her old double Mantra severely diluted her empowered effects, her passive gave her a ton of hidden power, made her even harder to read, and meant she alternated between feeling useless and becoming excessively powerful in fairly inconsistent situations. Her Q and its Mantra effect did not synergize at all, so the ability never felt like it was used optimally, and neither ability was particularly unique at its core either. Her old W tether was arguably one of the most boring and confusing abilities in the game, and the Mantra'd effect was useless. Her normal E was the only shield that did not provide an additional effect to her target, and her shield bomb was only useful in abusive cases (see her passive). Before the rework, few people cared about Karma or even knew she existed, and the fact that so many people jumped on the Old Karma bandwagon after her overhaul says more about the power of memes than about Karma herself. Had Old Karma continued to exist, she'd be forced into trash-tier and people would still be making jokes about how terrible and clunky she'd be. In fact, if the Karma overhaul were announced now, people would be welcoming it with the same enthusiasm as the relaunch. The same will likely happen to, who also suffers from a horribly confusing, clunky and abusive kit, as well as , also designed by Coronach.

I can also challenge the assertion that Old Karma fans are the most "pacifist" out there. Just taking a look at the amount of vitriol going around on the LoL forums right now should be enough, but the fact that people still clamor for the return of Old Karma even now, and reject any changes to New Karma out of hand, even when they're major buffs, shows how closed-minded and hostile people can be. I think it's safe to say a lot of the people jumping on the Old Karma bandwagon have never even played Old Karma, or even truly cared about her before her rework got announced, as is often the case for a lot of other reworks.