Talk:Swain/@comment-41.232.88.175-20120321221958/@comment-4875928-20120323115728

If you actually give karthus and swain the SAME ITEMS (a build mostly used by swain like : Roa, relays, rabbadon, abbysal ect) and let them 1 vs 1 in a minion wave, swain has 0 chance to win vs karhus (even if karthus has no ignite)...

Naturally both have a little different role, and are fine champs, but like i said with karhus you are basicly stronger then with Swain... And you get gold super easy thx to global ulti, that gives you even more advantage.

If you dont believe me then try it...

And even if this karhuts will somehow fail his slow, and 50% of his bombs (what is impossible with his wall slow) and you surivev, he will kill you with his passive.

Dont forget Swain's only advantage in tankyness is vs AD only since you buy glacial shroud ect, and his heal from ulti and its not a big one after the nerfs (since by nature Karthus and Swain are similary tanky).

Right now there are just a few ap's that are on the stronger side than swain in 1 vs 1 combat, or dealing more AoE dmg...