Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-4929329-20120317060616/@comment-4677525-20120317075745

You seem to be someone that is passionate about the champ, which is something I can appreciate. Jarvan was one of the first champions that I ever played (pre and post-nerf) and he has a special place in my heart. It also seems you run him as a solo-top champion. I used to run him as a solo-top until I found that I was able to play him much more effectively as a jungler; have you tried it before?

I can also understand your frustration over the seemingly static discussion over whether a champ is "OP or UP". However, frankly that level of superficial discussion sometimes offers the validation needed for a person to make value judgements on a champ's worth. It is why tier lists are so popular; even though they are often biased and opinionated, if you state something with enough force some people will end up believing it, logic be damned. It is unfortunate that this is the case, but it is the sad reality of it.