Talk:Zyra/@comment-25223119-20150414161332/@comment-25223119-20150415063211

@Oda

I compared her to Xerath and Kog Maw because they are both glass cannons with the same attributes that Zyra possesses to a certain extent. Immobile, medium - high range, lots of cc, when dived on becomes food.

Unlike Xerath and Kog Maw though, Zyra has to move around the battlefield. Because her range isn't as high and with the range nerf, she has to take risks at times to get her work done. Compared to Xerath and Kog, their job is very easy, maintain super safe positioning and the range will do the rest of your job. If they get jumped on, it's because they didn't maintain clever positonings. Whereas for Zyra who needs to walk in range, do her E-W-Q-W combo, walk out, she can be easily jumped on by anyone, which is what the meta all about these days. Zed, Vi, Jarvan, Ahri, Leblanc, Katarina, Sejuani, you get the gist and half of it comes from the fact that she is slow. While her burst is strong, she depends on W to do the finishing work, with clunky telegraphing animations, and people able to walk out of her plants range, she's not all that strong. Xerath and Kog Maw remain so much more relevant because they do everything better than she does, lower CD, more efficient mana costs.

Also, when you were comparing Zyra to Heimer and Orianna, did you take in to consideration that both Heimer and Orianna have utility that boosts their survivability and they have more reliable damage sources? Heimer has increased health regen, turrets attack with higher AS, higher total range? (because Zyra's E has low range). Orianna has higher range, MS boost on W, instantaenous knock-up,  E grants bonus defensive stats and shield, passive lets her deal continuous dps in the form of AA, ball follows her (easier for more consistent zoning). Both Heimer and Ori have reasonable cooldowns, reasonable mana costs.

Zyra? (moderate cooldown, high mana costs)

Passive - Delay in skillshot true damage, easily dodged.

Q - small aoe burst with .65 delay

W - offer 10% CDR, same plants deal 50% less damage, slower attack speed, does not regenerate health

E - Slow snare for 1.75 sec

R - Mostly damage, knock up secondary because it takes too long to happen

Not even complaining about her damage, just think she could use projectile speed and MS buff. And you'd wonder why Heimer and Orianna remain as relevant mids, while Zyra stays at bot lane, even though she was designed for mid first and bot came in after the meta shifted.