Board Thread:Wiki discussions and announcements/@comment-3308937-20140828121932/@comment-3974211-20140905031620


 * "Latest changes" is more relevant as "last changed" — Will be done.
 * Abilities does not utilize the description function whatsoever, increasing page length — I do not understand.
 * "Pets" section is 90% whitespace - definite no go — How so? The ~30% bit of whitespace to the right of the stats is where renders will go once they are available (although I'm not sure why the ChampionSquare question-mark isn't being drawn).
 * Recommended items doesn't utilize the s2# parameters (minor) — Will be done, assuming that I'm understanding the issue.
 * Skins (ex. Fiddlesticks) - right, because I want to scroll through a page and a half of 2-image-wide rows that was fine as it existed previously — The width may be too wide as it stands, but the gallery layout is preferable to the slideshow (for much the same reason as you say, because I really want to slide through half a dozen skins to get to the one I want to look at). EDIT: Your later proposed Media page might be a solution.
 * Navigation link through C-top and page name don't sync - major initial dissonance — It was temporarily renamed because people had issues with the name "Development", yourself included. I was attempting to "rebrand" the articles with new names in the hopes that people would address them as new articles. However, considering that you're still regarding "background" as a suitable place for Patch Notes, despite Patch Notes having zero to do with lore and everything to do with a champion's development means I've clearly failed in that regard.
 * Concept art / screenshots - do not deserve headline placement. No context has yet been provided so they have absolutely zero meaning to the user. — Fair enough
 * Media - perhaps include all the media together? why is my entire wiki-screen taken up by this video when I likely have minimal to no interest in it? This should be an opt-in kind of option. — A media article seems like a popular piece of feedback, although I feel there is little reason to create bespoke articles when we have fairly in-depth Categories for each champion. Although, to be honest, having to scroll past content you don't want to read isn't really a valid argument (I don't want to look at a list of items that grant attack damage to get to the list of champion's attack damage on the attack damage page; most of the time I have no interest in looking at the skins when I want to look at the trivia - short of having each section being a standalone page, it's not really feasible to "eliminate content you don't want to read". ...particularly since the media section already uses a tabber, and so only takes up one "page" of scrolling.)
 * Too much whitespace — I resized my browser for purposes of understanding and I honestly can't see most of what you're complaining about. The only "new" white-space that I can see versus existing articles is in Recommended Builds - there is quite a large gap between the first and second row (probably caused by a margin-bottom, I'll check). "Ability Details [show]" could probably be raised a little bit, but I'm fairly certain it's where it is now after quite extensive testing. The gaps between abilities, between sections, etc, is all wiki-standard and hasn't been changed for this trial. EDIT: The print screen that Vistha uploaded on Azir's page does show some quite severe formatting issues (I'm not sure if this is what you're on about) - but I'm not able to reproduce them. I don't know is someone was messing around the Ability Frame/Info template and it's since been fixed, but that's unrelated to this project and nothing I've done should be making Azir's abilities appear differently to Gragas' - they're using the same templates.
 * Discuss inclusion of material below ability descriptions — A champion's frontpage is intended to be a gameplay article, so it contains all gameplay-relevant content. Plus skins, but only because they don't really fit anywhere else and a champion's appearance is gameplay information to some extent. (The proposed media article might be the best solution for skins, to be honest.)
 * Discussion of traditional /Background material placement needed (new thread) — The /Background page is a lore article. Simple as. The word "Background" comes from a champion's background, which is a passage of lore. Development and Patch Notes shouldn't have ever been on this page, which is why both were moved to a dedicated article.
 * /Development is an non-coherent mess — I'm not entirely sure I understand what's non-coherent about it, at least compared to the existing Development section currently found in the /Background page on other champions. It is literally just the Development section as currently found in /Background (which contains champion reveals, skin reveals, etc), plus Patch Notes, plus Trivia. Azir, along with most of this year's champions, has a sizeable reveal (including decision making behind gameplay and a synergy section), but it's still the same article we've copy-and-pasted for all the other champions that have had reveals. Any issue you have with the current /Development page should really be a general complaint about Development sections as a whole, which is in-part what this whole project is about fixing.