Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-80.15.143.26-20120627113346/@comment-46.13.244.124-20120627124911

Lee is still Lee, but meta finished it´s shift towards inexpensive junglers, jungle just don´t give you enought money so if you don´t get kills (and oyu can´t can´t count on that on tournament levels, you just can´t) you can get pretty heavy (to carry) with some champs, Lee has retarded early game, strong mid but if not farm and fed, his late game tends to fall of, Nautilus´ initial clear is pittyfull (thou not as much as Sejuanis), but he can run early game with two gold/10 aegis and still break people in half, ame goes for Mundo, he can only build tankyness and still do good chunk damage (i am waiting for more Malphite junglers, i was always a fan lol). Nocturne is being picked by a virtue of his ult and a fact he is on of steroid kings (+20% of tottal AD every few sec is pretty good when you combine it with his Q that gives you MS and AD, W also gives you AS so you can proc more often), so he can go pretty tanky, that´s what you want- tank(y) jungler who can do good just cuz of his kit, spammable AP, duo bot and someone who can beat enemy bruiser at top (usually another bruiser).

But those are tournament games, so both picks and build are based on a fact, you play with people you know and can rely on, so Lee may be outhined in organisd play, but he is still one if not the best solo queue jungler, that´s same as Anivia, yes she is stong but she is not OP... Frogen is )