Talk:Nautilus/@comment-5795516-20130413025413/@comment-5906436-20130422022655

How did we get to Jarvan and Xin? Comparing them to Nautilus is like comparing apples to oranges.

The reason I say that is because Nautilus is a champion you choose if your lanes can put out damage. His job isn't to take the kills, his job is to make sure the ally laner does. And considering that he can hold someone in place for a good three to five seconds starting at his first AA ("You think you can over-extend without getting into trouble? I think NAUT!!!"), I say he does his job really well, and since his abilities are still effective without a large need for item building or leveling, it allows him to fall behind at least two levels and still be a threat.

Jarvan and Xin, on the other hand, need to keep eating to stay relevant while jungling since they rely so much on both damage and CC and therefore need to keep the gold flowing. While some very skilled players can pull this off (a situation I hope I'm never up against), bad or mediocre J4/Xin junglers can lead to uncomfortable situations where they need to take an occasional kill from a lane to keep up, leaving the laner less money than he/she could have had. I'll admit, Xin does not suffer as bad in this regard. However, from personal experience both with and against, Jarvan is especially prone to this.