Talk:Talon/@comment-4542190-20160707185612/@comment-28977071-20160826154034

Btw, the startup champ passive is called innate. Using "innate" makes reference clearer. Two thirds of champs you discussed (Garen, Akali, Corki, Jayce, Kha'Zix), have multiple passives :p @Garen, I agree, his innate is mostly present mid and late game, he starts as if it didn't exist. Utilizing it requires all-in-and-hide guerilla style of play, if you want to cs during laning phase without getting poked.. too bad for you. The problem of Garen's innate is that it's almost useless during laning and when it becomes significant later in the game, it becomes entirely eclipsed by Warmog. So much about champ rework :p

@Lucian, I cannot disagree more.. Lucian is great team adc to have. Too complicated? Eer, idk but his playstyle is very cheesy imo. Slow AD caster? Wtf, I would even choose him as prime example of the role. If you rush ER, which is core item of most AD Casters, you get crazy positive feedback with the innate. With CDR of ER you get massive sustained DPS. Once with 40% CDR, one can even cycle through entire kit indefinitely, providing doubled stream of autoattacks (consequently twice as fast CD refresh of E and doubled mana restore chance to keep it all going). Lucian's innate is one of best around I think.

Akali's, Corki's, Kha'Zix', Morg's innates are all very good imo. Jayce's is decent. But Talon.. well, yes:p  I wrongly believed that those 10% dmg amplifiy his overall dmg.. now when I'm reading the description, it quite sucks honestly. I believe that's what Wrekz entitles as design anti-pattern :B