Talk:Udyr/@comment-5494818-20130718220802/@comment-4804165-20130719152712

Actually, his Q does infinitely better damage overall because it scales with itself. its an AS buff with AD increase and a hyper powerful onhit damage. the onhit DoT can easily be over 400 without any AD items and he can still be mauling people at roughly 100-170 dmg per AA with 70% increased AS.

also, Tiger is actually better in the new jungle compared to early S3 and S2 jungle, since the HP is concentrated onto the big buff, his Q can clear relatively fast and comparable to that of pheonix udyr.