Talk:Fiora/@comment-24474109-20140521085927/@comment-15244341-20140630221411

No, she is pretty pointless since she is a priority target and squishy as hell with her zero useful defensive tech. Anyone with a brain will stun her and then burst her ass off. Same problem with Diana (go in and kill or go in and die) with a much worse defensive skill.

Also it's simply retarded to call her a champion with as big as a teamfight contribution as two champions with hard CC initiation. She has zero CC. Her only AoE is her ultimate, which is 100% better applied to a single target to burst that target down. Hitting the tank twice with her ultimate means she just lost a huge amount of her damage pointlessly.

And the best Black Cleaver users are MF and Wukong, 100%. They have skills that deal physical damage over time relatively fast and on an AoE, which means that anyone caught in there is getting their armor reduced by the max amount instantly. Fiora can apply some stacks with her ultimate pretty fast, but the instant she is jumping from one guy to another she isn't applying full stacks, which is the point of the item.

She simply is too squishy to live through any sort of 5v5. Her being not something to ignore is literally a pointless thing to say, since she is so easily put down while CCed. Irelia is the one you are looking for here. She dives, gets CCed and her passive plus some tenacity item means she gets half of that duration. Since she has one or two attack speed and then three or four tank items you are not killing her if you don't use 100% of your tems focus. Meanwhile Fiora is usually on the level of squishy in which one combo while she is stunned means she is dead.