Talk:Riven/@comment-33536623-20140419122708/@comment-4834593-20140421120937

You either kill them really early or say "f*ck what people say, I'm ganking mid every time the moment my ult is up". The second only works if you get something each time, because (mostly with Nasus) you have to do something more useful to farming that Q. Less than getting a Dragon won't do the job. If you don't manage to do either of them... Hope that your AD carries can position themselves and theirs can't, so you can get fed in teamfights while they can't snowball further in teamfights.

(okay, that was actually mostly about the Nasus matchup. Shen matchup is a bit easier, I suppose, because he doesn't snowball as hard)