Talk:Udyr/@comment-5077844-20150320210918/@comment-8468980-20150408205905

"i'm making an attempt to build a usefull discussion"

I'm offering as much discussion as you have: "except you can outduel both of em tiger udyr is unduelable in any way that is not costantly cc him, if he get to your face he will melt it, that's the whole point of udyr"

He gets no scaling damage and runs out of mana in an optimal fight. More all in than Vi, with less burst; as much or less CC than Xin, weaker steroids and again weaker burst.

If we choose to substitute in Phoenix Udyr, his more popular build, his dueling decreases.