Talk:Fiora/@comment-3493296-20150723014431/@comment-24496127-20150729002945

Fiora doesn't currently need her ultimate to kill a squishy. It just lets her do it while invulnerable. No melee carry really needs their ultimate to kill in a 1v1.

I'm entirely aware that the passive most likely has a ratio that's too high, but that can be fixed accordingly, either in pbe or later on. I feel like true damage is pretty necessary to keep a passive like this relevant, otherwise it will be like Varus's w, where it just get's ignored after a certain point. Why bother running circles around someone if slapping them will work just as well? If the passive isn't properly rewarding then it's a pointless mechanic.

Really though, if anything I would say don't let her lunge proc the passive. That would significantly slow down the speed at which she procs it. But, at this point, I feel it's way too early to be asking for nerfs when no one even understands the champions strength and weaknesses. If you watch gameplay of new Fiora, she honestly looks weak as hell most of the time.

Lastly, ganging up on people is definitely a form of counterplay, because some champions have kits that shine in a 1v1. That's like the basics of the games design. Champions are strong in different ways. You don't try and 1v1 a Tryndamere, Malzahar, Vayne, Jax, Riven, Nasus, Etc. Those champions just naturally beat near everyone after a certain point. Dealing with them with team coordination is as much a part of the game as anything else, and even if people don't like that, it's true and not a bad thing unless you're refusing to communicate effectively.

Speaking of invalidating tanks, doesn't Malzahar do the exact same thing? Just idle thoughts.