Talk:Vladimir/@comment-70.249.147.32-20110217083750/@comment-3238314-20110218011408

But your original idea was that his early game was strong, or at least that was the point i was countering. It's just above.

Reasoning fail=> ashe having a slugfest with vladimir. The whole point of harassment is not turning it into a slug fest. ashe has 600 range. Vladimir has 450, and only his q and e reach ashe's range. Ashe simply has to fire slow arrows at him and out range him. Any high'level player knows this. You wait for vlad to use his Q, preferably not on you, har har, then fire zeh missiles. if you can't reach him, at least you know you have a safe periot of farming for the duration.

Doran's blade is for the one laning against him, not vladimir.

at level 5 you haven't gone to spawn, so at most you can have +20ap, +35 with runes. that's 21 damage extra. But your point is the healing. taken from riot's page: 17.5/28.75/40/51.25/62.5 healing per shot, +0.25 per ap. this heals you for almost 50, healing you for 350. still nowhere near 825.

Also, like i said, nidalee at lvl 1 of primal surge heals more than that, without any ap, giving her much more lane staying than vladimir. Also, she outranges him too, allowing safe harassment.

Congrats on proving something outside the current discussion. Also, if by healing 23/34/ 50 hitpoints early game every 12/10/8 seconds vlad denies meaningful interaction between players, then by all means, it's the end of all healing abilities, since they also deny alot of meaningful interaction between players.

Let me tell you this. If you don't include the actual interaction between players when discussing abilities, your arguments are null and void, so by saying that ways to counter vlad are irrelevant to this, you're saying the actual application does not matter. Of course vladimir will snowball easier if you let him farm. who doesn't, for that matter?