Talk:Veigar/@comment-4915885-20120730161847/@comment-80.212.187.220-20120814112949

^^ the passive is quite good actually. Start dorans ring and q, and just farm with the q (dont harras the enemy or try to take farm with other abilities, just use q to farm). The mana regen from the passive and dorans ring should be enough for you to stay in lane to lvl 6, and then u just save ur mana for a full combo on enemy ap = almost instakill