Talk:Graves/@comment-71.59.218.232-20111028153920/@comment-4462552-20111029151130

while graves is indeed op, i can name lot of new champs whose start was terrible, Xerath (I know he scare with his insane range, but his dmg is tiny unless heavy fed early - like all champs), skarner (finally buffed, no idea how he is now), Yorick (he got the worst released champion achievement), need to name more? In general all champs at release are never balanced, either OP or UP