User:TehAnonymous/Talk

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Bad Piggies Source Codes
Hello,

Is it possible if I take the source for certain pages for use on Bad Piggies Wikia?

Thank You

Chiachichang (talk) 19:41, November 13, 2013 (UTC) jk
 * Only if you bring it back.

Everything on wiki projects is licensed under Creative Commons, I believe. All they ask for is some form of attribution. Presumably, you'll be commandeering some template code, so either including "taken from LoL Wiki Template:asdf" in the summary is fine, or better yet "Source code taken from League of Legends Wiki Template:asdf" in the template documentation. Mind sharing which pages you plan to borrow? 21:10, November 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Right now atm probebly only the Admin Dashboard and the Request for Permissions.
 * http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_Wiki:Requests_for_Permissions
 * http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_Wiki:Administrator_noticeboard
 * Thank You
 * Chiachichang (talk) 01:45, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

OnlynePlayer
Pls help. I need help on making a custom champ ;(

I need help on making a custom champion page pls help~OnlynePlayer
 * I disapprove of the custom champions corner on the wiki. I have User:TehAnonymous/Champion which provides an outdated format. Ask in Special:Chat for help from people who make them more frequently, or just copy-paste the source code from another custom champion page and alter the parameters. 03:29, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Bad Piggies Source Code 2
Hello,

I updated my request, could you please take a look at it?

Chiachichang (talk) 02:24, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

and no I am not asking help with custom champion, not me just a person who forgot to add a title
 * Yeah yeah, take it all. 03:29, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Nasus
Out of curiosity, why did you revert the changes I made to Nasus' page?

(+3 [+6] per enemy killed by Siphoning Strike) is pretty unhelpful information.

Emptylord (talk) 05:15, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Reverted to last non-vandalized edit. Easier. One must revert any vandalism before adding new info, or else it will persist. 05:30, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * The page was vandalized? I'm clearly blind or it was subtle. ^_^ Emptylord (talk) 05:31, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

template bug
patch section is bugged, cant find the error: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Janna/Background?diff=1947652&oldid=1945889 -- Ninjamask (talk) 18:55, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Lol oops. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Janna/Background?diff=1950204&oldid=1950203 01:15, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Something Unfair
Hi, someone deleted my custom Ballance changes, i made it because i wanted to show to another people what i should like in a ballance changes, and a moderator deleted it.... can i know why? Whatthefak (talk) 05:47, December 21, 2013 (UTC) Ok, I've asked the moderator in question, User:Mineko Charat Lucky about the issue on his talk, and hopefully he'll have a response soon. My guess would be that the content was too similar to the previous blog? so it seemed like you were being redundant/spammy. 18:55, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Balance*


 * oh yeah i forgot it's Balance hahahahahahahaha, i think he just wanted to delete it because i nerfed so much? :( Whatthefak (talk) 20:13, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Hotkeys and commands page
Hi there, some hours ago I added some small lay-out improvements on the Hotkeys and commands page. The content interests me and I'm thinking about creating an tool for it. I'm currently fuzzy on learning more ajax coding when I came up with an idea how to explain this content more easily to the public. I will try to explain my idea here. My English grammar is horrible but I'm sure you would be able to understand it:

The Content Start like this. We have an keyboard image or css styled keyboard. When we press an key on our keyboard their will popup an description from that key in the dashed div. We could create an switch version so it would work both for azerty as qwerty and the keys that don't have an use in league of legends could be grayed out.

Hold Command Champion stops their current course of action but is toggled while held down.

Similar Keys :
 * Stop Command ("S" key)

Still system wouldn't work for the mobile skin but is a perfect and relative easy to code tool for the wikia oasis skin. --Jens Ingels (talk) 13:50, January 9, 2014 (UTC) "buzzy" may be related to the word "buzzed", which is slang for being moderately intoxicated. The word "fuzzy" is used to describe unclear things (for instance, fuzzy images indicate that the image is unclear). "too" is used as an adverb to increase something. "to" is a multi-purpose word, typically used to connect things (<- like so). "an" should only precede words beginning with vowels.
 * I do have a fair amount of experience in speaking to non-native English speakers. I've changed a few things in your message. To describe a few of the corrections:
 * "their" is a possessive pronoun (for instance, "their things"). "there" is used as a... something. It's very multi-purpose, I guess.
 * About your changes to your page: I think they're unnecessary. Azerty keyboards are not anywhere near common usage in the English-speaking world (for whom the wiki is made, being in English). It seems to be isolated to France and Belgium (and French ex-colonies), so I would say that the content would be far better deserved on the french interlanguage wiki (http://fr.leagueoflegends.wikia.com/) (of which User:Sydeyc is an admin btw if you want to edit/contribute more over there). I don't think the usage of a table vastly improves the content presentation, though I admit that it doesn't really detract from the page. Imo, accommodating for differing keyboards would be done via a small notation at the bottom, stating "* On azerty keyboards, A replaces Q and Z replaces W." because that's pretty much the only difference (and it should seem fairly intuitive to azerty users who have almost certainly played the game before anyway).
 * For your actual proposal: I don't know much about coding myself, as I stick primarily to the editing side of things. Your idea has merit, but minimal practical value. The page is mostly useless imo, being that in-game controls are best found, well, in-game. If you want to make it, regardless of its practicality, feel free to apply your coding skills and learn more about ajax coding. I think your time could be better spent, is all. 23:55, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding champion remake ideas
I have noticed that the category on my recent champion remake idea has been shifted to Custom champions. Is it a part of the wikia policy to do so? Because if I do come up with more I want to conform to such practices and save admins trouble. Thank you. MILK FOR THE UNYUUFEX, FLAT CHEST FOR THE CUTENESS THRONE, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL PROBES (user talk:Mathetesalexandrou) 03:56, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * User blog policy, yes. 20:32, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Hey
If you get this message within 50 minutes when I send this, get on the chat. I need to discuss something with you. ClariS (talk) 07:17, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you get on the chat. i still want to discuss something with you ClariS (talk) 22:13, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah yeah I'm there now 22:15, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * I wrote bullets points at the bottom. ClariS (talk) 18:04, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the Warning
Hey there, not sure how the PM function works on LoL's wikia but just wanted to clarify that if you want to give me a warning then fine since that's up to your discretion but at the very least you should warn the others involved - namely CliffShadow and MegaMege. These two essentially hijacked the thread from talking about Riven being OP or just noob-friendly to direct attacks.

Cliffshadow has had a history of trying to "debate" with me but getting frustrated and just repeatedly projecting his ignorance (ignorance in the literal form, i.e. he's either ignorant to what's already been said or addressed or he ignores points altogether). Megamege didn't even try adding anything to that thread and instead just launched a verbal assault despite my efforts to address their points. Replying to them just resulted in them covering their ears and continuing to goad.

I don't believe I was "fanning the flames" as you put it but again that's up to your discretion. I believe that I was just getting irritated by the constant ignorant heckling by these two and so I may have come off as rude but not nearly as toxic as those two. At the very least, if I'm being warned then these two should be too.

I know my account isn't nearly as old as the other two but I've been a long time lurker. I'm sure you could try to relate if you were put in the same position. StarSaviour (talk) 04:26, January 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Private messaging exists only in chat, between two users who are online at the same time. Your posts were longest and therefore I considered them to be most contributory to the thread's state. I'll check out the other users some more, but the negative actions of others do not justify one's own. (eg. top lane ragequit, so therefore I should afk at base because the game is unwinnable, screwing over 3 other people). Try using one space instead of two spaces after periods, because double-spacing is a relic of the ancient age of typewriters, and you wouldn't want to seem archaic would you? 14:43, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Heh, what can I say? I'm old-fashioned. :P

I wouldn't necessarily say longest is always necessarily wrong-est. I did get tired of being attacked by the same visceral posters for some of the stupidest reasons I've yet to come across on LoL wikia and I'm sure my shortage of patience did start to show. But when can I say? When someone posts something that's blatantly wrong and you let it go the first time but then they keep coming back at you over and over again to the point it becomes nothing more than a defamatory attack...

Thanks in any case. Peace. StarSaviour (talk) 05:30, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Spam in blog post
Hi Teh.

Spam in the comments on this blog.

Davellan (talk) 08:23, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * ok 15:01, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Rights
I know I am not as active as I used to be, but I'm not fully healed yet and I am focusing on my well being. I do regularly check the wiki so I don't see why my rights were taken. 02:48, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

Also, per policy, I technically have until tomorrow (the 45th) day to be considered completely inactive, which I'm not. I even left a notice on my user page. 02:52, February 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Judicious use of applying principles behind the "45 day rule". The rule is meant to encourage superusers to remain active contributors/discourage long periods of inactivity. Editing/exercising rights once every 44 days may follow the word letter of the rule, but not the spirit. As a past superuser, if you can demonstrate that you will return to active status as an editor/admin, you are welcome to your rights being restored. 03:59, February 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * I only brought up the policy because that was what you said in the explanation of removing the rights, even though it hasn't been 45 days, just being technical. I can demonstrate an active status, but I can't do so until I get cleared of actually having a normal life again and having time to do so, which my next appointment is March 8th, like I said in my user page notice. I don't see why my rights needed to be removed, if I had stated that my return would be March 8th. 06:20, February 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Though I sympathize, I don't fully understand your situation. How severe was this injury, that it's affected your life so much? For myself, I've actually had a lot of time I'd have previously devoted to the wiki consumed by college / other commitments. Since your response (as compared to other users) is... well... existent, I guess you do count as "alive" if not truly "active". Anyways, I hope to see you returning to your old activity status. 22:47, February 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * It completely changed my life. It was the worst experience I have ever gone through and every day I struggle to push through it, but it is getting better and I have definitely seen a lot of progress for myself. Like I said, I plan on being as active as before, just once I am able to. Thanks for understanding. 23:56, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

CheckUser rights
Hey Teh, despite my intentions I've gone inactive here again (too many wiki commitments), so it would be good if the checkuser spot was filled by someone active. This especially considering that I have checkuser rights on all projects automatically with my global VSTF rights. So, at the end of the month, would you be OK with taking over those duties from me? I can give you a walk through of how to use it. I'll also resign my sysop/crat flags then too, though would like them back some day if I ever return to activity. Regards, Ajraddatz (Talk) 06:49, February 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a shame to see you go. Those conditions seem completely acceptable, and I understand that you have commitments to other projects. The checkuser thing seems quite minor, since there are rarely such problematic situations that would necessitate its usage. But I suppose that's its nature, to be a reserved power for extreme circumstances. GL HF 22:47, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

Research

 * Hi teh This is killertimer, i need to talk to you because of some questions regarding our research paper, our topic for our research paper is Academic and Behavioral effects of playing league of legends, would you mind if we can chat in facebook or talk in the email? Please answer this message thanks! :D please reply in my email at andrewpadua28@yahoo.com. I hope that i could see a positive reaction. Thanks! :D --User:Killertimer 13:03, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * There is nothing wrong with approaching people for research purposes, though there is a definite line when asking personal questions. Regarding research, I'd rather not exchange personal information/share facebook or email. Could you describe the format of the research? If you can decompose it into simple survey questions, you can probably get a sizable response from r/leagueoflegends. 04:42, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Resigning
Hey Teh. I just wanted to let you know that I will be resigning. I was hoping to be able to become more active around the wiki, but I haven't been able to due to life just getting very busy and still on the road to a full recovery from my leg injury. I may still be around the wiki checking up on things and updating my checklist and skins, but I don't think I am able to live up to the activity standards that an administrator must. If I ever return and become consistently active, I would like my rights to be reinstated. But for now, it's been a good ride. I hope the wiki maintains and continues to grow in its success. 22:18, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * ... okay. gl, hf. 00:16, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Explain
Care to explain why my ban wasn't justified ? The user in question HAD been warned several times before not to be disrepectful to others, he annoyed mylittlewut, senvicious and a fair bit of others. yet it's not justicificable to ban him ? ( Considering i had warned him about 7 times )

Yours Sincerely, Bloodstrider~    (Talk~ ) 16:51, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * During my time there, I definitely did not see anything that was found to be personally offensive to any of said users, nor these seven warnings. In addition, the ban came immediately after he departed the room, without any clear provocation / specific incident meriting a ban. I request logs / testimonies from said users to support your claims that this user is problematic, is found to be a nuisance to multiple users, and disregards warnings. 00:15, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Lastly, since he's going to come back, you should stick your face in the chat for a bit and see if he behaves any better than he did the last time, Also, if you want any personally offensive things he specifically insulted me, Vehemence is there as a witness if you want. Yours Sincerely, Bloodstrider~    (Talk~ ) 15:15, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Firstly the reason why the ban came as he left is because i was afk at the given time and i banned him just as he left ( purely coincidential ) ( Tell me again how i get chat logs and i'll show you ) and as for testimonies, kindly ask Oj, Mylittlewut and Senvicious and they'll provide you with what you require.

This is v3hemenc3 confirming.    (Talk~ ) 10:23, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that Scary did insult Blood by saying "if there's a champion named bloodstrider, it would probably be really weak". I blood if she wants me to kick/ban him, but blood did not respond, so i assumed she didn't mind. Only after she dropped the kick itself did i realize she did mind. In his time on the chat scary has not only insult Blood. he's also guilty of things such as forcing conversations and being a general prat. Overall, his presence in the chat is nothing short of disturbing.

Senvious (talk) 16:39, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * I usually deal with people well, but Scary was really annoying and rude. He did insult Blood while constantly annoying me and wut. He was given a fair amount of warnings prior to any action taken. Mostly all he did was force conversations. Repeatedly pinging wut for no reason when she was doing schoolwork. Basically what V3h said, "Overall, his presence in the chat is nothing short of disturbing."

Okay. Reviewing: the user "annoyed" and made personal comments on other users. Summary: You should not be so easily offended, and you are within your personal abilities to ignore any user you deem unfitting of acknowledgement. Yes, continued negative behavior after multiple warnings merits short bans, but I did not see "continued negative behavior", especially in the minutes leading up to the ban. As an aside on the entire event, there are more productive things that we can all be doing with our time (editing the wiki, perhaps?), and drama is nothing but a resource drain for all involved. 18:01, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * @Blood It would be great if there existed a mute function, but sadly there is not. Then it would fall to an individual to ignore such petty comments. If you truly take such statements as hurtful to yourself, then you must develop a thicker skin and understand that not everyone is going to be kind and polite to you.
 * @V3 "forcing conversations" would not qualify as an offense. Ignore the user if you must. "being a general prat" is subjective, and not ban-worthy in itself. "nothing short of disturbing" - I have yet to see any evidence that would indicate this user to be disturbed. Immature, perhaps.
 * @Senvious "annoying/rude" - deserving of a warning, certainly. "fair amount of warnings" - a short term ban is merited if they ignore warnings. However, the ban came at a time when no particularly offensive statement had been made, so I did not see it as justified. "insult.... annoying me and wut" - Okay, but that is at least in part your problem, for acknowledging the comments and allowing them to bother you. "pinging wut... when she was doing schoolwork" - don't do schoolwork while socializing, it's a bad idea. Again, thick skins.

To be honest teh, i didn't really care about what he said to me,  i only gave that incident as an example on a "personally offensive" Another person ? maybe but it didn't really annoy me. it's just that i'm a bit strict on discipline and i don't like it when people.. continue to act indisciplined ( yes that is a flaw i'm trying to improve  )

Yours Sincerely, Bloodstrider~    (Talk~ ) 08:56, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

File naming policies
Is there a standard form for old images? I've seen everything: X_Old, X_old, X_(old), XOld, Old_X, etc. 22:42, March 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * There is not. This is one of my long term goals, but I do not really agree with the only other proposal, from Bryght, I believe it was, who suggested naming everything "File:Champion SkinSkin 20140324.jpg" or something to denote when it was replaced. It has its merits, but it isn't clean in any way. Imo, I've always tried to make new images "File:Champion OriginalSkin2.jpg" so that older versions don't get replaced, but this does break certain things. Ideally, this should be a discussion among the people who actually interact with files to determine what it most intuitive and functional. 04:04, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

Extracting lore from client files
Hello TehAnonymous,

I am Kr.Pa. I have a question for you. I am creating Cz/Sk LoL Wiki, and I need to find a way how to extract descriptions of abilities and story in Czech from PBE client. All languages ​​except English are stored in separate files that I can not found. How do you do it? Some special applications?

Thanks

KrPa (talk) 11:38, April 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe that most content is copied from the inclient champion info windows, or from the site itself. Within PBE files, I know not. Perhaps ask Sydeyc, who has experience working with the French LoL wiki? sidenote: leave new messages at the bottom. 15:42, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Inappropriate comments spotted!
Greetings, and thanks for the welcome! (It was probably automated but whatever, it's a few months late as well, hahah) Didn't really need most of it though, I've been doing Wikis for a while and even moderated a few.

But that's beside the point, I came here to leave a message because after going through some of the pages that where asking for edits, I came accross the page Doran's Workshop, and saw a few comments that appear to be out of place.

Just letting you know, eh!

I'll be snooping around from time to time, this wiki doesn't have much that needs to be changed anyway! Keep it up!

Snowie (talk) 13:12, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Deleted. 22:05, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

My rights
I want them back. 19:36, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Done! Ajraddatz (Talk) 19:38, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * REQUEST DENIED >:( 13:41, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Hi there
Sorry to bother you - a question. Recently I added a Gold Value section to the "Exalted with Baron Nashor" page. Now I am a newb here yet I did my best to get it right. Didn't make "attack damage" a link etc but otherwise had a proper format. That was my 1st "major contribution" so to speak. Now it's been deleted.

Now my question: Any way to know why my entry was deleted?

If I add something I am asked to briefly describe the change. Isn't it just fair to get the same in return if my entry is deleted? Kind of diminishes my desire to contribute to just see it removed w/o knowing any reason for that. I'd especially want to know whether that was formatting or content that gave the reason. For now I'll just leave the editing to others as it doesn't exactly feel inviting to spend half an hour editing for no effect.

-Zadok Allen


 * Go look at your message talk page. I, the person who removed it, have replied to your question. ClariS (talk) 16:36, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Gold Efficiency Thread
I have a bone to pick with you. Since you've closed the current gold efficiency thread and started a new one on the grounds that the previous environment was too hostile, I'd rather put this here so that none of this carries to the thread in question.

You are a hypocrite of the worst kind. You accuse me of being bad-mannered, yet when it comes to other users who have been far more rude and less productive than me (see Deshiba's tantrum in his last post and ClariS's complete disregard for the contributions of other users), not only do you gloss over their wrongdoings, you pat them on the back. In fact, you try to blame their own terrible conduct on me ("you have exhibited a pompous attitude that has perpetrated negativity and hostility in others"): I am not responsible for other people acting like children on the Internet. It was their own decision to exhibit negative behavior, not mine. On top of that, I was the one user there who had cared to remain consistently on topic in every post and who tried to keep the conversation civil. It is surprising to see such poor arbitration on the part of an admin, particularly one as well-respected as you.

What's just as bad, though, is the crappy set of logical fallacies you seem to adhere to: you compare my "crusade" to ClariS's as if both were equivalent. The worst I've done is post walls of text on a forum thread. ClariS, on the other hand, decided to flip the bird to every single user who worked on the cost analysis sections for over half a dozen items and removed entire chunks of content without prior discussion or consensus. Aggressive as I may be, I'm merely trying to convince people to form a consensus, as well as defending a project into which I've sunk a lot of time and energy. ClariS has repeatedly demonstrated that they have no respect for other users or their input (he/she/they did not even bother to respond to the thread they created), and will keep on destroying other people's work on a whim. Again, this is a significant flaw of character you should have paid attention to months ago, but do not seem to care about. You fall into the lazy assumption that lack of consensus implies equivalence between two opposing viewpoints: I took great care in justifying my points with evidence and reasoning, points that have remained unchallenged until now and that have been completely ignored. I also addressed every single point presented by the opposition, whose last resort was to fall back to a mantra composed of already-addressed arguments, unfounded assertions and loud screaming (i.e. Deshiba's final post). I clearly had the stronger line of argumentation there, yet you still decided to fall back to the facile answer of "everything here is just opinion and therefore worth the same". You could not even muster the most basic discussion etiquette and so much as skim my posts. Instead you criticize their length, handwave them based on lack of consensus and have the nerve to attack my position in complete ignorance of my arguments. This in itself is extremely lazy, rude and counter-productive. You have all the time in the world here: either read my posts and get to know what I'm talking about, or don't participate in the discussion. It's likely that I'm going to make lengthy (yet still civil) replies in the thread you just opened: please, take the time to read them in full, as everything I'm adding in these posts is added with the express intention to move the discussion forward. If we all took the time to pay attention to what the others had to say (and by whom I mean you and Deshiba), we would've advanced a lot farther in the discussion.

Basically, what I'm trying to tell you is that you need to check yourself. A lot of what you said was out of line, and should not have come out of an admin, and there's a lot of issues you're currently ignoring and need to address as soon as you can. ClariS's selfish behavior is out of control and is detrimental to the wiki and its editing atmosphere: you need to talk to them about how to interact with other contributors and work with them, not against them. Deshiba's attitude degrades extremely quickly when his opinion is challenged, to the point where he contributes negatively to the discussion. You need to ask him to remain civil, even when faced with adversity. I am apparently pompous (is it because I use big words?), so I will get to work on that. Don't get me wrong, I still respect you immensely, which makes your behavior on that thread all the more baffling. --Willbachbakal (talk) 05:34, May 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * http://i.imgur.com/rue1t.gif 04:02, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Welp. Ignoring each instance of personal attack and defamation of character, which I have asked other users to handle, I will attempt to respond to some of these points. I did not solely blame you, nor did I pat the other users on the back. "wiki-editing is about working as part of a community, and you should try to accommodate others in your post...". I partially attribute the escalation of the thread to you due to various passive-aggressive sentences in each of your posts. A few examples, with explanation:

"Not to be rude, but all of this is pretty much a one-man crusade on a concept that is, by your own admission, ill-defined." As I stated in my thread reply, the "Not be rude..." indicates that you believe or otherwise have the expectation that your sentence/reply have a high chance of offending the other user, and so it will. Classic example of passive-aggression: you are first passive, then aggressive.

"You keep on insisting that the gold value of an item is fixed (a statement that is, by the way, completely unfounded)" You attribute blame to the other party (see first four words), and then say that "your entire argument is baseless" offhandedly (in parentheses), which is a near-guaranteed way to piss people off.

Proceeding with claims... "I am not responsible for other people acting like children on the Internet. It was their own decision to exhibit negative behavior, not mine." You are responsible for your behavior on the wiki, and have agreed to follow the discussion policy I linked earlier. I have made my case that various statements on your part do in fact "belittle a fellow editor", and that your (passive-)aggressive behavior falls under the line "Incivility consists of aggressive behaviors that disrupt the project and lead to unproductive stress and conflict."

Various things in your paragraph about my not fully reading of your posts... I reiterate my points on length. A long post makes it difficult to understand what the exact points are.  Needle in a haystack . For instance, return to my opener to the new thread. It is formatted, concise, and says enough for people to understand the situation without losing interest or becoming lost. I could have tried to summarize everything in the previous thread, but that would be irrelevant, and a waste of everyone else's time.

This said, I do not want to read the posts, because administrating this wiki is not my job, and I am merely volunteering my time. I choose to spend my time here, and my time is valuable to me. I choose how to spend my life, and how much time of it to this wiki. I may spend 30 minutes trudging through a 20 page academic paper assigned for a class, but I do not have nearly the same responsibility to read text walls on the internet. By participating in a community, you should recognize that other users have their own lives, and more things to do with their time than skim text walls. Real life comparison: a friend comes to you and asks, "hey will, can you quickly skim my 40 page thesis for me?" Your initial reaction would be "but I have work / I'm playing League / I have to study / I was about to go to sleep / seriously, 40 pages?" This is what you are doing, except that the "friend" is a stranger and has no attachment to the reader.

Having made my points about how bad text walls are for others, I will mention points on which text walls are objectively bad. It raises the threshold on entry to discussion, for one. More importantly, they make it difficult to determine the author's point. We're not reading for a literature class here, and I don't want to delve into your personal opinions of the semantics of the situation. Here's an example: "Maybe you missed the post right above yours, but I clearly explained how gold value has practical applications." Another case of belittling other users, and nobody is going to want to read through a 533 word post.

An example of accessible formatting would be Deshiba's "FACT:" reply. Even if you don't agree with it, it's short and quickly gets his points across.

"If we all took the time to pay attention to what the others had to say (and by whom I mean you and Deshiba), we would've advanced a lot farther in the discussion." Okay, I'm going to suspend what I said about not dealing with the personal bits here, because this indicates that you truly self-righteous. paraphrased: "we should all pay more attention to what others have to say, and by we I mean you and not me". Have you considered that a major obstacle to progress would be that anyone actively involved is the 'expectation' that they've read a few thousand words of text, and will be belittled when they indicate that they missed your meaning buried inside those walls? 05:05, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bakal, look. I know you're displeased with Teh's decision, but surely, a long paragraph of text is already tiring to read for most people. A long rant like this would make a person even less likely to read and absorb your points. Is there any way to reduce the length of your arguments so that the message can be get across easily? As for ClariS and Deshiba, I suppose they do require a higher-up to keep an eye on them. Mineko Charat Lucky (talk) 05:13, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

True Damage
Hi Teh. I recently edited the true damage page and noticed you came in and changed it in minor ways that mostly amounted to editing for the sake of stylistic preference. Is there a specific style everything should be written in that you go around the website enforcing? It seemed like very subjective changes designed to write the section in your personal preference. For me, I find that discourages the spirit of editing because part of the reward in editing is that your contributions reflect you personally, making the entire Wiki an amalgamation of its community proportional to how much time each member has put into it. Some security when posting is necessary here. Of course, unreadable posts should be changed, but I can write well enough that my posts are readable. Changes that don't compromise the interpretation such as moving "%" to "percent" are also harmless (I actually left it in that form out of consideration for the previous editor).

I don't mean this post as a personal attack on you or your methods. I f this Wiki has a certain standard for doing things around here, I will respect that, but I need to clarify that that is how things are run here for the future. I am actually feeling defensive rather than aggressive over having my stylistic expression attacked. As a Wiki community, I had hoped we would be understanding of our minor differences and that the Wiki was run more as a community than an oligarchy.

As an example of what I meant above about considerate Wiki editing: Since your edits acquit themselves by being objectively ok, rather than go in and spontaneously make subjective changes to them, I'll respectfully check here first so we're on the same page. The first paragraph on Silver bolts' interaction with stacking health is wrong the way you changed it. Vayne's silver bolts have two components: A flat and a % max health portion. Stacking health prolongs survival against flat true damage, but does not do the same for the % max health portion. In other words, stacking health is only partially effective against this ability. Am I misunderstanding something here? You also curtailed the details in that paragraph, which I specifically worded to be detailed because there were multiple comments below from people who didn't understand the flat true damage and stacking health interaction in the brief form it was written in before.

Thank you for your time

Blaisem (talk) 14:31, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Hi, this is a just remindar in case you've forgotten: I'd be grateful if you'd explain why you reverted my changes to the True Damage page. I actually spent about an hour on that because I was checking some math involved. I'd like to know for the future what the stylistic standard for editing is here before I waste my time on content that's going to be reverted. If you've been busy, it's cool, but whenever you get a chance I'd appreciate a reply. Also is it normal to revert changes here without giving a reason?

Edit: I just had the brilliant idea of checking your contribution history, and I noticed you haven't been online since. Sorry if it seems like I rushed you here. I'm sure you've been busy with other stuff. I had something I wanted to edit, but I wasn't sure if I should, which reminded me of this post. That's what led me back here. Anyways, take your time, it's not really a big deal in the end.

Blaisem (talk) 21:18, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Significant rewriting =/= revert. Link to edit in question: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/True_damage?diff=2077230&oldid=2077083 Link to Blaisem's edits: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/index. That hopefully responds to your points about "reverting edits" (which were probably agitated by your perceiving me ignoring this post, sorry). Stylistic changes:

00:49, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * First line : clarity.
 * Things about Vayne : my bad, have reworded to "partially reduce"
 * Lower -> Reduce : a consistent style change that I maintain. Basis is that Riot has inconsistent phrasing (Riot's done all sorts of crap with patch notes, if you care more ask me and I'll show you some examples), using lower/reduce at different points, and I argue that lower is a very passive verb compared to reduce. Reduce is much more active
 * "Buy Randuin's to lower Jax's attack speed and damage output"
 * "Buy Randuin's to reduce Jax's attack speed and damage output"
 * Vayne damage percentages : Such specific numbers are subjective and therefore apt to draw controversy/criticism (see: cost efficiency), and with a +/- of 10%, do you still feel justified assigning a value of 75%, that readers will see and take away as "wiki truth" (idk how people see it, but some people think that things on the internet should be perfect and 100% factual)?
 * Per -> For each, ci -> cis, link change : small stylistic changes that improve readability imo or make better use of existing wiki markup.

Thanks for linking the posts and improving the usage of wiki mark up.

For the damage percentages, I gave the math a generous +- 10% spread and included the disclaimer "usually," to provide buffer room on its accuracy. My motivation was not to prove a point of accuracy but to be as educative as possible for especially new players, who are often confused and frustrated by the nature of Vayne's true damage. A general descriptor like "majority" simply doesn't convey information with the same authority as numbers, even if these numbers cover a broader range. That said, I can definitely sympathize with the sentiment that numbers need to be better grounded for the Wiki's credibility, so you won't get any beef from me over this removal.

However, I feel the rest of the changes are splitting hairs. I also checked the Manual of Style and saw nothing about per/for each or reduce/lower. I have my own misgivings here, because your crusade to use "reduce" must run into problems with the common topic of resists, where "reduce" is not desirable as a general word to describe a decrease in something. So I don't see how you will be able to create a universal pattern? Although even if you could establish a universal pattern, I still don't think it would make a difference in unrelated contexts like this one, and I feel you may be overestimating the influence of whatever ambiguous cases from Riot you spoke of.

In the case of the True Damage page, I wrote "lower" so that "reduce" doesn't crop up twice in the same sentence, which makes the sentence easier to read. It's common in writing to mix up words; in fact, it is suggested in the Manual of Style.

Overall I disagree that one person has the authority to police these subjective definitions, in part to appease their own stylistic taste or pursue a personal crusade that is not an official Wiki standard. I feel we should reserve respect for the contributor's decision in the cases where the potential gain is negligible. If you get the approval of the Wiki to agree on your standard, then I will happily abide by it, or if there is some administrative authority that I am unaware of, then of course there's nothing I can do. Otherwise, I won't further debate the edits now, but in the future, I reserve the right to revert any changes to my edits that involved replacing small words or phrases with equivalent ones. Of course, I'm always open to criticism or other ideas, and I think the first line probably benefited overall from being edited.

I just want to be clear for the future why I am taking this stance, and I hope my disagreeing isn't taken personally! Thank you very much for having responded and reading my posts. 18:54, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay. So you take issue with my thing with lower/reduce. Nobody reads the MoS for nitpicky details, so it's more of a "follow established precedents on the wiki" (ex. patch note page format, champion strategy/skinstrivia pages, etc.) TL;DR Riot has been historically inconsistent in patch notes syntax-wise, and I've formatted all the patch notes to reflect a consistent style.
 * List of things that I maintain (check all the /Background pages and patch pages; I think I've edited all of them):
 * "changed from X to Y" -> "changed to Y from X" or more recently, Riot has been doing oldX / oldY / oldZ -> X / Y / Z Example from old patch notes: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/May_23,_2009_Patch?oldid=100989 Recent example of Riot inconsistency: PBE Nidalee rework announcement / PBE Skarner rework announcement Observe the formatting.
 * Usage of * and ; and such For instance, sub-bulleting changes under ability bullet, putting changes under "general" or "stats"
 * Lower -> reduce modify -> change Look back at the PBE pages. Now go through all the V4.X patch pages on the wiki. Do you see why consistency is so much better than dissonance?
 * Not capitalizing Stats
 * Other things that I don't even remember any more
 * The long and short of it (tl;dr) is that I've spent countless hours going over patch notes & histories to format them consistently throughout the wiki, and this kind of consistency is necessary when dealing with inconsistent formatting. This is in fact, a crusade, my crusade against bad formatting. Otherwise, we would be like Rioters and have a wiki where every patch notes formatting changes with every LoL Season or where two announcements made on the same day have different formatting.
 * Another thing: Double spacing is terrible. It's a archaic remnant of typewriter days, and I doubt you've ever written anything via typewriter.
 * For this specific case, I will point out that you are the one who expanded this trivial issue. Also, I effing hate MoS-thumpers (Wikipedia editing experiences), because I think it's far too rigid in the minds of its practitioners (example here is an edit of mine that got reverted on Virginia Woolf's page, with MoS for bios dictating that subjects are referred to by their last name, and a paragraph described "Woolf met her future husband, , at...", which is all kinds of non-intuitive crap). So don't be that kind of person.
 * Do your thing, try not to step on too many toes, and light this world on fire. 18:54, June 23, 2014 (UTC)