Talk:Nidalee/@comment-4888212-20131120234909/@comment-8506165-20131121034727

Wow. Seriously?

Nidalee's complained about so much because she's so incredibly frustrating to play against (as evidenced by the endless stream of complaints about her) and moving her power around to mitigate this and open up more counterplay is a good thing. With the old system on her spear - well, I'll quote this bit of your post:

"just to be clear, anyone running towards nidalee will never take the full damage on her spear (full damage only possible when thrown at full range and enemy is afk/fleeing away without juking... not even retards do that..). while they will mostt of the time take 230dmg + 0.65AP when running towards her/not being afk. thats around a targetted veigar Q.(without AP farming passive)."

That's what happens now, yeah. Close in on her when you're at her AA range and then you take the minimum damage. Before this change, the damage amp kicked in immediately and at average ADC AA range (550) you'd take 356.5 + 100.75% AP damage. Oh, and this is assuming the Nidalee didn't take advantage of the bug where she could immediately move away and increase the damage despite the spear not travelling any further, which is now fixed. But still, that's still a very respectable nuke when you consider you basically can't miss at that range unless you're "afk brain dead" as you so... diplomatically put it, and you've got it up again in six seconds at most. Basically Nid would almost never get minimum damage on her spear because she literally had to throw it at point-blank to do so, which meant a lot of hidden power within her kit, which wasn't very readable either ("I tried to engage her, why is this still hurting so much?"). And then of course there was the ridiculous max damage - your ADC's stunned for 1.5s? Cool, that's about the time Nid's spear takes to travel its maximum range and 100-0 them. Can't dodge when you're CC'd.

When people stop playing AP Nid in Diamond and Challenger (yes, they do play her up there, several key games in Korean Challenger tier recently featured Nid for instance and she did very well) then I'll listen to people talking about how terrible she is. Because I'm pretty sure people up there know the whole concept of dodging spears and yet somehow she still does well up there. It's almost as if it's not that simple. Christ, you'd think Lux was the worst champ ever with her binding moving slower than a Nidalee spear and with a lower max range for potential fog-of-war snipes, the way some people talk, yet somehow even the professional tournament players have been 100-0'd by the full Lux binding combo.