Talk:Hecarim/@comment-125.160.98.2-20120419162929/@comment-82.225.18.37-20120419224731

If you play him as a jungler, the skill order in my opinion is R>W>Q>E.

- Q doesn't help cleaning that well. Doesn't do damage to creeps (derp 50% of 50 level 1 is bad for first clear). Anyways, it will only be good to proc Sheen later and do some moderate but repetitive AoE damage in teamfights.

- W brings sustain (HEAVY SUSTAIN IN TEAMFIGHTS AND I AM CAPSLOCKING TO SHOW IT) and decent aoe damage (hits as true damage on jungle creeps).

- E is your ganking tool, and you don't have to have it maxed first to knock back. It can help you gank even of you are not behind the guy, pushing him a little sideways prevents him from running away for like 1 second.

- I feel R is more of a counter engage ability than an engage. I mean, you won't want to use it to start the fight, it would be far better used to stop enemy team that started to engage or to follow an engage from your team.

Didn't try him on top lane, but in my opinion it would be R>Q>W>E

- Q first now, because you will want to focus first on your early damage, and Q doesn't push the lane too much, as it deals poor damage to creeps.

- W is a nice sustain, but you don't want to lose your early damage and push your lane too hard.

- E is not useful unless your lane is ganked, 1 point is enough, then max it by level 18. More of an escape here, or a skill helping you go back to lane faster.

- R is the same.