Talk:Riven/@comment-33536623-20140127122040/@comment-11045621-20140130003001

"Even without Garen's speedboost you would need a boot advantage to be able to run from that." Fun fact: both champs have the same base movementspeed.

About the matchup Garen vs Riven: (lvl 1 scenario) If Garen takes his Q first, Riven can just fly away (Q), shield it (E) or stunning him for 0.75 sec(W), making his 1,5sec speedboost useless. If Garen takes his E first, Riven could trade with her Q, as it deals more damage than Garen E as shown by StarSaviour, or she flys away (Q), dashes out of it (E), or takes 2 ticks of it and stun Garen to walk away. Even at higher lvls Riven can combine her skills to dodge Garens combo, if she cant fight him.

As StarSaviour said, if Garen cant bully Riven out of lane, but Riven can get farm, she has won the lane. Additionally her damage scales a lot better into lategame than Garens damage, and tank Garen cant do anything to stop her from wrecking adc and apc.

@Leyrann: If Riven gets cought by Garens QE combo, and and she cant get away from him, it would be better to trade back instead of just taking damage. & Never underrestimate the damage AAs do. Mages like to get their first kill in lane by an AA.