Talk:Ivern/@comment-30843848-20170207210326/@comment-31203455-20170224122450

League of Legends doesn't quite have an exact "Puppet Master" or "Minion Controller" champion. Most are very limited in how they can manipulate or assist their vassals, or else the pets themselves have limited autonomy.

Azir has his sand soldiers but they are rather inanimate themselves. Same with Orianna's ball. They are just nodes for accompanying spells.

Malzahar and Yorrick have their minions with limited ways of cajoling them into attack a certain target.

Annie does have Tibbers and can assist in his fighting but has more damage herself which draws away from a Minion-controller dedicated champion.

Heimerdinger and Zyra can't move their turrets/plants.

Ivern is the closest we have, with Daisy, to a Puppet Master Champion.

- Daisy is autonomous and "sentient" to an extent. - She can be commanded to move or attack targets. - Ivern himself has very little direct damage from his abilities. - On the other hand, his abilities allow Daisy to enter combat and tank while he sits back and pings away! Heck, the brush maker can benefit a stealthy Daisy too!

Wish they'd make Daisy more permanent!

As for stealing groves. I'd give a debuff to allies that do so. Small but noticeable and then racking up as the repeatedly offend. Maybe refrain from apply the debuff if Ivern is far away or dead?