Talk:Vi/@comment-202.156.10.9-20130216064245/@comment-5.83.71.124-20130216160052

"1 wrong, vi can deal a shitton of damage without damage items, with her a having high base damage and b being able to apply w very fast (q auto-attack e)"

TBC is a straight damage item, even if it has 200 HP. FM/IGB can be considered offensive-defensive items. If you're not building TBC+FM/IGB you're doing it wrong. Therefore, she needs damage items.

"3.again, wrong. if you look at her, she has relatively good base mana, very good base mana regen (being on par or even beating most mages.), low mana costs etc, etc. she has no mana problems or nearly no mana problems."

Neither him nor you are right. She has too mana problems early, which only demonstrates that she has BAD base mana and base mana regen. Neither her mana costs are forgiving earlier. Do you even play Vi to certify what you've said? Because if not, play her first, criticize later... If you still can.

"4. its not exactly the most reliable escape, BUT she is one of the few bruiser who have an escape at all. which makes her stronger then them."

Forget about what I've said before. Anybody claiming Vi is a bruiser has never played her.

"5 she can carry solo with ease. XJ9 already proved that."

What any pro/streamer may have proven is not applicable at common levels, yet just because a pro has made that doesn't means that there isn't a pro able to rape Vi as I do at common level, it just means that he still hasn't showed up.

"6. she can force you to 1v1 her easily"

Yeah, just as much as Trynd and AD Yi: By taking advantage of the noob roaming around in mid-lategame. Do you think that Trynd is strong too?

"7. that applies to nearly all champions, but less to vi as she can a evade cc with her ult and b is quite survivable."

Malphite does too. Shall we go to Malph's page and tell his players that he's broken just because he's an anticarry? Because by your standards, Malph's too stronk.

"8 she has among the highest base ms with 350, only being beaten by yi with 355, so she is basicly usually faster then most champions."

Her MS is justified at the very moment you look at her Q.

Regardless to the matgter: Panth also has 355.

"and yes nocturne can gank from a far, but if he builds full tank he wont deal nearly as much damage as vi, and has worce cc (only a fear if the target doesnt flash away.)"

Too flexible to even need a full tank build most of the times. Fear and FM's slow is just as much comparable as Vi's Suppression+FM/IGB slow. Whichever of the two you land, if you do it right, you'll score a kill. Shall we go and QQ "too stronk" on Noct's page too?

Glad they barely touched her. They shouldn't have done it at all.