Talk:Veigar/@comment-210.245.132.142-20111215130047

I'd say veigar is OP

Bad early game? A veigar's job in laning phrase is to farm as much AP as possible before lvl6 you really can't kill and you won't have time to harrass because you are busy farming AP but it doesn't matter but after you reach lvl6, E, W, Q ,R and your enemy is almost dead. and after lvl9 his harrass is just unstoppable Even if your turret get pushed, just land a DM to clear all creeps Veigar also has one of the best lategame

Mana problem? There are MP5 runes, clarity, blue buff, mana potion and tear of goddess. He has a passive too

Q: yes scaling is only 0.6 but you have infinite amount of AP, and the AP benifits other abilities too not to mention its CD is 4sec

W: yes it can never hit because of the 1.2sec delay..... if your target is free to move any good veigar will land DM ONLY when he knows its gonna hit his enemies(ie. CCed). And when it hits, it HURTS.... 1.0 AP scaling? wtf

E: now this is outrageous 2.5 second non-ultimate AOE stun with 600 range? you say it's merely a cage... well it's not, any good veigar can land the stun right on the person he want to, so a good veigar using E will usually stun/cage 2-3 players in a teamfight. Not devastating enough? It is like a Jarvan's ultimate with a shorter cooldown, without needing to jump onto the target, as well as stunning ANYONE walking through it then Veigar can just drop a fucking Dark Matter in your face

R: Targeted spell, Insane damage, 1.2 AP scaling(with infinite amount of AP), 80% of target's AP as damage? This allow you to shut down your mid enemy(usually AP) once you reach level 6 and in teamfight you can immediately kill a squishy with your combo Even tanks get melted by this ability

But he get focused in teamfight.... Yeah, so is annie and every other AP caster, learn to postion yourself and buy a zhonya

But he is useless after bursting down 1 target... Really? he can continue to Q people and disrupt teamfight with W and his stun is probably one of the most devastating spell in teamfight

But he is countered by MR.... So is every other AP casters If you are able to force your enemies to buy MR, that means they are sacrificing damage output and possibly armor you are still doing good for your team

Quicksilver Sash? This is really a great counter of veigar because of the MR and the active but it also has a 90second CD, and you shouldn't be the only one on your team with hard CC not to mention that your E is only 16sec CD

yeah, veigar is OP