Talk:Graves/@comment-93.137.196.80-20121007070201

I dont play AD carries (hate that with 550 attack range everyone with some sort of gap closers (almost all champions now) can get in your face and make you try to escape and because there is no fire on the move in lol you cant deal damage while retreating so you will most of the time just die if you dont have OP escape).I play assassins and bruisers (poppy,riven,wukong,akali,jax) and love seeing graves in other team,his dash is so short and almost all the time i can easily focus and kill him,with good team effort he can easily be killed,yeah he is good laner and things are different in lane but you cant nerf champ so much if he is good laner or strong in combination with some other laners,that is just retarded.So my point is that graves is not suddenly OP,he is just overplayed like many other champions were,not so long time ago corki and ez were considered UP and people would laugh at you if you picked them but now they are receiving their nerfs,i dont see the point in all that nerfing...