Talk:Ryze/@comment-4900160-20150110015841/@comment-15244341-20150113174620

I'd love to play against all those Riven players that don't use Q to trade you. They must be using only autos and her stun which sounds like a sick choice with how well she can heal trades. Oh wait... TBH, so many champions destroy Riven in lane it isn't even funny. I'm not even a Riven player, but as a top laner let me tell you that Irelia simply has the best zero skill 100% sureway lane winning strat vs Riven. Max E->buy Sheen. Congratulations, this lane is won. Does she go in? E, auto with W once or twice depending on your level of stun and walk away. Repeat till someone ganks the half HP Riven for free kills.

Also these champions that are strong meta picks destroy Riven: Gnar, Irelia, Cho, Jayce, Mao (this one is so hard on Mao's favor it isn't even funny), Rumble, Sion, Lissandra and Yorick. Liss also has ranged CC that cares not about creeps and shits on Riven engages (W). Everyone else just pokes and outsustains Riven. And the only manaless champions there are Gnar and Rumble.

BTW, I agree. Mana is a pretty nice way to add damage to a kit. However I'd be careful on where I put that. On an ADC is gonna be pretty much useless, since Tear is already crappy enough for damage for them. With mages you run into the rist of making a guy that buys tanky as hell while doing a ton of damage (Ryze himself...). It's probably better on tanks or fighters, but Riot seems somewhat adverse to fighters lately.