Talk:Renekton/@comment-188.27.81.63-20120509150427/@comment-5009341-20120510113657

^ i wont argue with u (i stated the reason above)

ur crap is also only on paper, ours is experience, we like to play rene, but losing cause he is up is absolute shit and if u like keep it that way, u might have played 100 games and dont know his weaknesses yet (or u dont know the real scale of the fucked situation he is in)

irelia got buffed, so where are the rene buffs? ofc not aviable. riot nerfs/buffs champs randomly, those who absolutely dont need buff get one (olaf mundo) and those who are already struggling to be viable in elo between 1300-1500 get crapped on or ignored (ahri, vlad (not that i like vlad but thats the way it is)), so u cant argue that riot doesnt buff rene cause he is balnced, but more likely they just hate him from the core of their heart, while loving irelia and buffing her no matter how op she is.

lee has to land q, and rene has to land e (which can be easily dogde by flash, the same as lee sins q on the same range)

ALL U DO, IS DESPERATELY TRYING TO DEFEND UR FUCKING POINT IGNORING REALITY, i play rene for more then 700 games and i know how many weaknesses he has.

rene would propably get buffed onse one of the important rioters start to play him and realize that he is up, but all they do, is playing their champs (some of them arent so good at gaming (but still good at rioters) they pick an op/balanced champ, then get stomped by a pro renekton early game, continue with their standard build, own lategame and come to the conclusion that he is balanced.

then some people try to play rene in ranked (i observed some average elo ranked games which had a rene in them since spectator mode release, and most of them lost early and were useless mid game, the game ended before lategame), get matched up against people with the same skill lvl, do decent/terrible earlygame against the champs this discusion is about and cant do shit mid-lategame, but when they do great early game they have a decent/terrible mid-lategame. his early game isnt so much better then lee sins, but still he falls off as if he would be the most broken champ early game (but that is not the case)

on the other hand his bro nasus was also called balanced before the buff and strangely is still called balnced (though he got HUGE buff)

im not saying that rene is useless if the player is skilled, im saying that if the player is skilled and picks rene, he is less rewarded then picking lee sin or the others thats what is soooooooooo unfair about rene