Talk:Vayne/@comment-4499945-20151018144325/@comment-24496127-20151022210505

I tend to base my bans off of what's frustrating to deal with rather than what's super strong. They're usually connected, but a good example of frustrating to deal with is Annie or Vayne. Annie because 100-0 burst with cc attacked that's also instant and mostly AoE is just aggravating, and Vayne because her ability to shred you while never letting you touch her can feel almost unfair rather than an outplay.

An example of a champion that's strong that I don't ban often unless they completely counter the champion I want to play is Ahri. That's because unless she's super fed, her burst is reliant on her q and e hitting to kill you. While her kiting and chasing can be frustrating, it's done in bursts rather than just consistent mobility, and if you catch her she'll actually have to burn something important and give you a window to fight her. Basically, she has her weaknesses, and you can avoid her strengths with good mechanics.

On the other hand, while a Vayne dodging everything might feel interactive and fun to a Vayne player, her auto attacking being her damage along with her relative safety against anything lacking targetted CC leaves very little in terms of actual counterplay for you. That's why, even though Vayne is techinically weaker than Ahri by winrate, I'd much rather ban vayne.

I'm pretty sure a lot of people feel the same way