Talk:Udyr/@comment-26138131-20150223075004/@comment-3067750-20150302095228

No such thing as a 15 minute baron since it spawns at 20. Been like that since 4.20 patch. All shields act that way and thus there is nothing of special note to point out here.

If you're going Tiger AD runes are best option.

Krugs start isn't all that great for both Tiger and Phoenix (Even though you have Attack Speed from Tiger or Attack Speed Runes for Phoenix). Yes its the safer route and the stun procs let you take less damage, however its slower.

If you're going for clear speed, rather than an early gank, Gromp start is better, even for Tiger Udyr. There isn't a damn thing that says you can go Devourer and not gank and its actually better to gank due to the longer respawn timers of jungle + you get more damage out of it than you do Warrior enchant.