Talk:Veigar/@comment-4167645-20150303032852/@comment-4167645-20150305074946

Zed, Leblanc, Ahri, Annie, Xerath, Lissandra... pretty much every mage out there. If they're short ranged, they have high burst+cc. If they're long ranged, they're not going to stick around for ANY of your spells.

Last time you could immediately put up a safety cage around yourself for the short ranged people, and try and catch the long ranged ones so you can hobble up and actually cast your spells. Now you're pretty much cc'ed/dead before the cage comes up, or long ranged champions will never be caught in the cage. You can't harass them from range either because 850 range is pretty darn short for a non-aoe skillshot. I don't think theres any non-aoe skillshot that has less than Veigar's. Even punching queen Shyvana has 925 range on hers, and hers doesn't stop at just 2 units.