Talk:Miss Fortune/@comment-6000413-20140513150259/@comment-4636093-20140513211006

You can compare the damage outputs by yourself. Last Whisper in a build always casues more damage than a Black Cleaver.

And the Armor pen difference between 35% and 0-25% IS that big.

If you do need the shred then let somebody else pick it up instead. It makes Miss Fortune way too ult reliant to actually apply the debuff, and it still doesn't do as much as getting it from the start.