Talk:Ryze/@comment-5162027-20121111105344/@comment-5162027-20121118223716

^ Where's your reasoning in that? You think people who are going to pick Ryze mid want him picked first so people can counterpick?

Pick baiting is not only useful, it's freaking common if your first and second picks aren't assholes, and this is before taking into account situations like seeing a person pick Swain to counter mid, so the jungler pick becomes an aggressive ganker like Lee Sin to beat up Swain's bad early game with no escapes.

And yeah, I know this goes both ways, but saying you are certain you will always pick Swain to counter Ryze mid and will always win lane, never minding that the mid laner can just be flat out better than you, is just silly.