Talk:Zyra/@comment-26808509-20180406183401/@comment-26808509-20180407163827

I never said that I want to initiate with her, but she is primary a zone control mage, not a pure burst mage. It is true that you don't have to roll your whole combo onto their team, but that doesn't really change anything of what I said. Even if you wait with her combo till someone else engaged, your plants will most likly still die pretty fast because AoE effects in general kill them very quickly. As I said, there only has to be a tank with Sunfire Cape and they die.

In choke point you often don't have enough room to place your plants with enough distance from eachother so the AoE's don't kill all of them at once. Not to mention that Vinelashers have to be close to the enemies to even do something. And even the Thornspitters are in danger, because if you place them on max range from your targets, it's really easy for your opponent to walk out of their range.

You simply don't have an Amumu who CC's the whole enemy team every game. The enemies will react to your plants and at the moment they have it really easy doing so, because there are a lot of AoE's that kill plants just parenthetically. Shyvana is my prime example here. Her W has a really high up time and even if you try to place your plants far away from her, since she isn't your main target, they will most likly die regardless, because her dragon form increases her W AoE by an insane amount. And that's not even mentioning the dragon E or dragon Q.

You can't hold back with Zyras plant forever, especially if you are the midlaner. You are a major source of damage in a teamfight and the majority of damage and zone control comes with plants. If you try to wait for all the AoE spells that rip your plants apart to be on cooldown, you will wait forever and as I just mentioned, there won't be an initiator who CC's the whole enemy team for more than 2 seconds in every game. Also Zyras plants are only strong in a crowd, because Riot nerfed the individual plants in favor for a bigger potential number.

This big number however is meaningless if they die after one attack. For a zoning mage Zyras plants are too fragile against random AoE spells, thats all I'm saying.