Talk:Shyvana/@comment-4834593-20121102223115/@comment-2.120.243.39-20121117101018

idk what you are talking about tbh, her ganks after 6 are amazing, no1 should be able to escape if she has red and exhaust. besides her dueling is on par with lee, what she lacks in damage, she makes up for with reliability, lee sin misses q and that's most of his burst/damage gone also she scales harder than him in most compositions and can go the exhaust route easier (i'd prefer flash on lee most of the time as he can do some awesome lane ganks and generally it fits my style with lee) which makes her scale even harder.

also the nunu argument. how can he destroy you? he is mainly control jungler stealing stuff, but he can never outfarm you and you aren't shabby at clearing camps (1 of the fastest in the game if not the fastest). and you definitely outscale him as long as he's not with some hyper carry (jax/irelia/kog/vayne - with these champions nunu's a/s + ms buff tends to let him scale really hard).

maokai will only outgank if you let him, if he camps a lane just run over there and kill the fool, if not, just go invade and screw his jungle, i tend to invade his red alot level 1 and then wait for him to come over, i completely destroy his hp so he has to base, then i just steal wraiths or something and go back to farming. that completely cripples him because his level 3 ganks will take much longer because he can only clear small camps easily early on.

lee sin argument i agree with, but not totally and he can't actually balls deep shyvana due to her ms and exhaust, as long as shyvana isn't completely taken unawares by a lee sin in a bush, she should be able to disengage whenever, if not just duel him if he misses q. and she clears the small camps fast enough to destroy his jungle if he is a ganker style lee, if he is a weird farm style lee you just outscale. so really the only problem is the dueling and even that isn't 60/40 in favour of lee, i'd say 55/45.