Talk:Bard/@comment-26034614-20150330000200/@comment-4091261-20150402174113

The bonus ms on the shrine is nice, I admit that. Although, I feel it is more supportive to give meaningful heals on top of that.

Although, as a support, I attest that the heals are pretty significant with AP. That said, I don't want to throw my 100+ mana to just speed my partner up instantly. I want to make help them last. It is a major mana drainer to just use the shrine as a speed up boost--on top of its fairly short duration.

So the shrines may not be "useless" without AP, but without AP, the laning phase is weaker than it should be. Less damage from passive, less healing from shrines, and less damage from the stun. This places a massive burden on my partner to fill this gap with extra damage and sustain to get kills before getting killed. If my partner is god, fine by me if I have weak as shit heals and poke for personal tankiness. I just think it is an unecessary burden to place on my ally.