Talk:Riven/@comment-36002403-20180918094726/@comment-31222231-20181112152713

I really don't think you know much about riven tbh. In the early game tanks completely outclass her in trades mostly due to healing from grasp and their base stats and base ability stats. You can't just say 'in your opinion she beats tanks' without saying anything to support it? Just run through her trading patterns versus tanks real quick and please tell me how she outrades maplhite/ maokai with all their abilities up?

One of your first points in this whole thing was that riven isn't op and that you enjoy playing against her but now you essentially try to explain how she is so op and has no counterplay in her her combo's which have no resources (you refuse to consider time as a resource), and also if she makes a mistake it doesn't matter? How does that not make her op? lol.

Imagine a champ that beats tanks in lane, outdamages popular hard carry champs(jax and irelia) but also her trading patterns in lane are unbeatable(maybe bar a couple of matchups). Essentially a lane bully who scales harrrrd. How would that be at an average win rate and how would that not be pick/ban in the lcs (considering she is also tank status and has extremely high damage with gamewinning/playmaking potential, and she also has easy mechanics)

You're arguments have been quite inconsistent.