Talk:Ryze/@comment-26053782-20150424152035/@comment-25247575-20150426233436

they are buffing ryzes late game 100-0 potental and team fight power for a nurf to his ability to farm and in lane haras. this is the one time i have seen them add a skill shot in resent history and actually compinsate the champion correctly for the new skillshot.

vigar got compinsated for his q by letting him stack more quickly, but his e needed to be nurfed so his kit needed to be compensated for that as well; it was not because then they would be changing to much to a already heavily changed champion.

Zilian was not compinsated for his skillshot as a support in the slightest. his damage is the same except not reliable now, he did get a stun that is situational and unreliable. His e is slightly better then it was, but that needed to be changed in a similar fashion that blitz e needed to be changed.

Two of these champions will need buffs/nurfs to the entire kit to make them playable. vigar already got them a few patches following and zilian got about half, or a quarter of what he needed.