Talk:Luden's Echo/@comment-26090928-20150225172929/@comment-4022742-20150303070737

If we define, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , and  as true  then saying all AD champs typically lack wave-clear is absurd. Because out of all those champions only Vayne has no AoE Skill and Draven, Ezreal and Quinn probably won't use theirs for wave clear. That still only makes four that don't versus thirteen that do, which is a minority.

On another note, the core items for each of the named champions differ, on corki and ezreal you want to opt for over. On Kalista you will probably get and on Ashe you'll most likely buy. Not every maksmen benefits the most out of Shiv.

And it's like that for Echo too. I can see it get used by champions that burst their skills in quick succession and look for some extra damage like and, or by champions that can use it to supplement their poke like  and. Others will probably get instead, like  and, just for their medium range "in-the-fray" style game-play.