Talk:Udyr/@comment-3165723-20110722071952/@comment-2153151-20110726164548

If you feel like he's OP, I guess you can keep saying that he needs to be nerfed. I'm sorry to see you rage over someone disagreeing with you. You say he is an unstoppable gank machine. I say that between wards (which any character can buy) and exhaust (which any summoner can select), he is not. He isn't unstoppable early game. He isn't unstoppable late game. He's excellent at killing jungle creeps, and pretty good at running out of a bush to drop a 1 second stun on players that push their lanes and/or don't buy wards. If that 1 second stun is coupled with red buff, it will usually result in a successful gank.

His problem has been and remains that he has no ability to close against a good player. Against a bad player, I guess anyone can close. Saying you kill anybody that overextends is like saying you kill people who make newb mistakes. Congratulations, I guess. I think everybody meets with that same level of dubious success regardless of the character they select.

The problem with your logic is that I can apply the "if that ___ is coupled with red buff, it will usually result in a successful gank" comment to just about anybody. If somebody is slowed in a lane that they pushed and suddently finds themselves fighting 1 v 2 or 2 v 3, it is normal for them to die. Sona could show up out of a bush, and more likely than not, you will die between her and her partner beating on you if you make noob mistakes. It's a product of the noob mistake rather than an imbalanced ganker.

I'm guessing that regardless how big a fan you are of Udyr, you are far less successful fighting players that have wards, escape mechanisms, or maintain a reasonable distance between themselves and their tower. When I play Udyr, or any other jungler, I see a distinct difference between my success against players who last hit and know where I am vs. players that don't. If I could gank with complete impunity regardless of the enemy player's skill or awareness, that would be imbalanced, but it doesn't seem to be the case to me.