Talk:Vayne/@comment-178.166.24.118-20120813185835/@comment-89.171.139.226-20120814104544

That Garen sounds like he was terrible...

If he let you free farm at low lvls then no wonder he lost. Vayne has terrible early, Garen has great early. He should be hella aggressive and easily get a kill or two at low lvls / at lvl 6. And no, you can't condemn him all the time. Condemn has a long cooldown (longer than Garen's skills) and eats a lot of mana, at low lvls you can use it maybe twice and that's it, you are out of mana and there is no saving you.

Lack of CC? Garen has silence which screws up Vayne during ganks pretty badly (no flash / condemn / tumble even if you have the mana). And anyway Vayne is so squishy that you might not even need CC, jungler's red buff is enough cause you need like 2 seconds to kill vayne. Hell, many junglers can kill vayne by themselves (like Lee).

I do agree that if you let Vayne free farm then she will start winning at some point (maybe level 8-9, depends on the items) but that just means that the enemy team (and Garen especially) failed at shutting her down. With no support to protect her Vayne is really easy to shut down.