Talk:Orianna/@comment-178.85.209.14-20120818191954/@comment-3419132-20120821162856

But that's the thing. Gragas' is a knockBACK. More than often i see a Gragas (or Janna) mess up a team fight because of a wrongly timed or placed ult. Orianna's pulls in and flows in with her own abilities as well as nearly ANY AoE ult or strong ability. Gragas' works well with his kit and Orianna's works well with her kit. But Orianna's brings more into a teamfight and can lead to a better initiate than Gragas'.