Talk:Veigar/@comment-71.163.18.208-20120621175458/@comment-87.172.197.223-20120707001421

^Well, I agree on his Stun beeing a viable escape, however you should note it can be countered... when I play customs with some 2k elo players (I dont play ranked, rather havin fun in randoms with 20-0 scores) I get focused the entire game, in teamfights they're even willing to sacrifice a bruiser etc. to make me kite a while just so I cant focus on stunning the enemy team in a way that leaves their carry open for a kill. I still get good scores vs them by the way... but what I am about to say:

A bad score doesnt always mean a player sucks, some just get focused first and die while the rest of the team as some free-time dealing damage and getting kills. For excample: would you say a kennen bringing his ult into a enemy team and dies after dealing heavy damage sucks more than a garen that just uses his ult to get free kills? (Not a discussion about the Champs role, it's just an example)