Talk:Ryze/@comment-7878249-20130525200553/@comment-7619298-20130530111937

21 utility is unneeded in my opinion.

9/12/9 is what I use against champions with damage over time (Indomitable) or heavy slows (relentless).

9/9/12 is my standard setup for the extra mana and sustain.

9/21/0 is what I go if my team is too squishy and when I do not need to much damage.