Talk:Vayne/@comment-8506165-20131102163851/@comment-8506165-20131106162358

I am talking of solo q yes. I'm not saying she's freelo either, I'm just saying she's too strong relative to other adcs in solo Q if nothing else.

Also, the "Vayne has low range" is a total myth. If you compare her to Caitlyn, Tristana or Ashe, yes. But Varus is the only other carry with more range than her constantly, and he only beats her by 25. Vayne's 550 range is the standard ADC AA range and she actually beats various others. I really don't know where this idea comes from - perhaps from her lack of a poking ability in lane, but when laning's over, AAs are the important thing.

CC does shut her up but she's actually not as screwed over by it as MF, Draven, Kog'Maw, Twitch, or Varus. Condemn is a self-peel spell, Tumble instantly creates a little distance between her and the enemy even if it's not much, and BotRK has arguably more synergy with her than any other champion and adds additional self-peel ability. Sure, if you've got enough CC you can lock her down. But every other carry in the game, bar perhaps Tristana and Ezreal, are in trouble if they get CC-locked.

It's not that she's totally broken or should be permaban but she's one of the ADCs that's too strong at the moment imo. %health true damage is a real headache for balancing and I think Riot have erred too much on the side of leaving her strong. I'm pretty sure I've seen some red posts expressing a similar notion - I think I recall Morello saying "You may be right" to someone saying Vayne should have 525 range.