Talk:Lulu/@comment-26420279-20160905085020/@comment-28977071-20160908185550

Well, all the time I was just advocating the presence of ally-buffing ability on ADC role, albeit an antipattern (ADC'd just practically never use it on allies) while Nazareadain might have possibly be all the time reacting to main topic. That'd explain why I couldn't understand how were his arguments responding to mine. Even though we still mutually disagree on that subtopic, I agree to let it be -_-

Main topic then (btw, the length of the thread starts being a bit inconvenient)..

I have to admit that I considered Greyr's enumeration of 's qualities to be just a list of overall pros, not to be the reasoning behind his claim that she was a pretty decent ADC. I tried to google out posts about what makes a good ADC that I was learning from months ago, but as I seem to not recall the source, here is the recap as I remember it. A good ADC should have:


 * ability scaling (otherwise bying /APene becomes less  efficient)


 * innate AA steroid (to prefer it over just arbitrary random ranged champ)


 * haste/reposition ability (early safety, as well as correct positioning in teamfights)

Ranged form wasn't demanded because of or old, but definitely it'd be a requirement except for abovementioned exceptions. As has two out of three qualities, I consider her viable, plus I know that other people deemed her to be viable too. One could possibly correctly object that both qualities are tied to single ability, thus reducing the flexibility. On the other hand, her other abilities also provide some safety and the also provides strong AA steroid (although not scaling into late game with ). That's why I said that what she'd need to become a good ADC, was scaling.

Maybe a language barrier is really my problem. I consider the ADCs to be of following qualities:

bad ADC- a troll pick (e.g. most melees)

viable ADC- not a troll pick, however suboptimal and inefficient; either doesn't have all necessary qualities or isn't played and needs some boost by Rito's next patch

good ADC- competitive, efficient; has all the qualities required from ADC

Now when Greyr says that she is a pretty decent ADC, I have to agree with him. My native language translates 'decent' as 'decentný' and 'pretty decent' means 'celkom slušný' for me. Or converted back into english: 'quite passable/acceptable/satisfactory'.

Ergo 'viable'. In no way would I translate it as 'efficient', just isn't downright good ADC, but if someone opts for it, I don't consider it to be a troll pick either.

"Why is an ADC".. well, she isn't. Man, that sentence just sounds weird. You also don't ask why is a mage, but he can be played viably as a tanky/battle mage, and it can be situationally efficient if you blind-picked him against an  team. If you stick a class label on a champ, that's no longer a role, that's an attribute. And we associate only primary and secondary role with a champ. That's why is a support/mage and  a tank/fighter. We don't identify champs with their less dominant viable roles.