Talk:VPBE/@comment-25707182-20150410103009/@comment-1330314-20150410222014

This is true, and in objective terms both choices are equally powerful, though there are major differences in gameplay that go beyond just pen-and-paper RPG mechanics: Ryze and Veigar can both afford to nuke from much longer distances, for example, but can't harass as reliably in lane, and as Emptylord mentioned there are things you can do with skillshots (hit enemies out of sight, for example) that you can't do with targeted abilities and vice versa.

I think the biggest reason behind these complaints is that Ryze's nature as a completely point-and-click champion is somewhat iconic to him, even if it's also the reason why he's completely flat right now. As the game's older roster is shifting to a newer model of decreased reliability and increased power elsewhere, there's also a reactionary movement of players who don't want changes like these to happen at all. These players also often happen to be the same ones complaining that older champion feel weak and need buffs, which makes it all the more perplexing.