Talk:Ryze/@comment-8969250-20150429083724/@comment-26001789-20150429130728

Reworks and character updates tend to have this moment where nobody is sure how this character can fit anymore into the game.

The very first one is that the character rework is fine as in, he is actually strong, but it lacks the fine tuning to actually go to town and make his kit work. Gragas and Rengar suffered from this and were pretty trash until Riot decided to fix, buff and change numerous minor things to their kits until they were fit to be in the game and subsequently nerfed because they were too good.

The second one might be wrong playing of a character. I remember back when Maokai was reworked and a lot of people didn't know how his rework was gonna bring him back into the game, seeing how people were playing him as this sorta supportish jungler, until someone brave enough was able to expose him as a AP Bruiser TopLane and everyone and anynone played Maokai in the toplane. The inverse happened to Olaf too when he was reworked. Maybe Ryze classic style of play is wrong now? Maybe.

The third one might just be simple ignorance. Kassadin when he was first reworked into his current kit was talked and complained about being complete garbage tier, being an useless character with no damage and or utility. He was buffed two times in a row in consecutive patched and the moment people actually understood his kit and abused his buffs, Riot reverted all of them and then nerfed him. Back then, if you tought Kassadin was any good, you were probably an idiot but right now, everyone will tell you he deserved the nerfs. Could Ryze just be misunderstood?

The last one might be that Riot made him too much counterable. Veigar as of now and the very first Rework of Skarner actually hold up into their old selfs where there was simply no counterplay to them once they would get going. The problem is that right now it takes WAY too much effort to get them going. Too much windows of "You can escape this" and no real way of saying "Hey i'm actually strong now!". They were changed and/or buffed accondingly. Is Ryze this way?

In any case, give him time. If anything, I think that a rework for this dude was a nessecity than a luxury at this point.