Talk:Vayne/@comment-22964237-20131208181408/@comment-5057599-20131210190734

@CattleLion Uhh...WTF? You have no idea what you're talking about. Vayne wasn't even that good on the 'Assassin era'. Burst damage has always been Vayne's worst nightmare. Fizz? Zed? Kass? DFG Ahri? You can't deal with those because their damage is instant and they have means to stick to you. I must have said this 100x, the only reason Vayne thrived in S3 was the introduction of Barrier and BotRK which allowed her to melt the frontline while having decent survivability without investing much gold. Was this the only reason? Of course NOT. At least 4 or 5 out of the 6 bans were dedicated to REMOVING ASSASSINS from the game, which were Vayne's biggest counters. And every carry that abused Vayne in lane got NERFED (MF, Draven, Cait, Twitch, Corki).

Which brings us to S4. In S4 supports get access to much better income and items which is a DIRECT buff to lane domination carries (more cs = more gold for both; more kills = stronger support). It gets to the point where supports are soloing AD carries right now. Also, pushing lane is not punished at all in bot because even carries get wards with trinkets now. Any Vayne is the worst pushing carry in the game... Hence why Vayne is in a terrible spot right now. She can't deal with two damage dealers in bot lane, she can't push, basically she can't have a decent laning phase unless the enemy carry derps.

Dude, when i say 'Trinity' I'm not talking about the item... Brains mia? It's the fact that we're again experiencing a patch where three carries are above everyone else, the same happened back when Graves, Ez and Corki dominated S2. Lucian, Jinx and Sivir are dominating right now. And all of them rape Vayne to the point of no return.

Her teamfighting is definitely NOT the best out of all carries. Sivir ult is blatantly overpowered and gives a ridiculous power shift to her team even when they're behind. And Jinx... LOL. Not even gonna waste time explaining to you why Jinx is better than Vayne in teamfights. AoE rings a bell?

I am a good Vayne player. And I won't be touching her in a while. PBE is already bringing nerfs to Sivir and Lucian, and we'll see where it goes from there.