Talk:VPBE/@comment-4270771-20150808102332/@comment-11025032-20150809112511

NeonSpotlight's maths are a bit low as you usually have way more than 20 armor from runes and masteries on a tank (i've got 14.5-40 armor depending on level only from my runes and the enchanted armor mastery will also give you a lot once you've got some stuff), so it's a bit under what you really have in terms of damages.

The main thing with the new thornmail is that it works well against ap champs and tanks too. There's a decent number of champs that are using aa without building ad (Teemo, Lulu, TF, Kennen, Diana, Azir, Ekko, etc... aswell as a lot of tanks) who'll take a lot from reflect damages too.

But what's really strong with that item is that if you build a lot of armor or have armor bonus from your spells (ex: Rammus' 120 bonus armor, Malph's 30% bonus armor, Thresh's souls, etc...), then the thornmail will really hurt, on both adc and the rest of their team.