Talk:Fizz/@comment-5151680-20130127061238/@comment-5151680-20130129000010

"Veigar. does not counter fizz. in any way shape or form. neither does lux. Ryze is player dependant and heim is a joke. akali is legitimately strong against him as is galio. he is frequently listed as a counter to morde and rightly so."

A well played Veigar will beat fizz, hands down. He may not get alot of kills on Fizz, but he will completely prevent Fizz from farming, and will win all trades due to the instant nature of his stun.

Heimerdinger will dominate fizz in lane, hands down no contest. The thing is, Heimer is useless outside of lane phase and thus won't seen anywhere out of normals.

Akali and Galio are hard counters to Fizz, as are Ryze and Annie.

Morde is also a hard counter, and most people universally agree that Morde dominates Fizz, so I'm not sure where your info is coming from.

"No. While I agree that Ryze is a tough lane opponent he doesn't have the tools to stop Veigar from free farming since their ealy game is equally weak."

Ryze has far more tools to stop Veigar from free farming than Fizz does, and Kassadin can only harass with his silence.

"And sure he hurts, but he also has no means to close gaps instantly like those annoying assassins."

Kassadin has an even harder time closing until level 6, and has a significantly weaker lane phase than Ryze.

"As for Fizz, he starts all-in'ing you past lvl 3. And you'll eventually flash. And you'll die horribly if you keep testing your luck with randomly placed stuns."

If Fizz starts all-in'ing a Veigar at level 3, he will lose every trade horribly. Seeing as how you think Veigar's stun gets randomly placed, I'm assuming you have never seen a good Veigar, and definetly aren't one yourself.

''Maybe we have different concepts of "terrifying". If I'm playing Veigar I'd rather face Ryze than Fizz or Kassadin, any day.''

My concept of "terrifying" is trying to lane against someone I can't beat. That would be Ryze.

Playing against a Fizz as Veigar is extremely easy, and while Kassadin is a pain because of his passive and silence, a good Veigar will still out farm Kassadin with ease.