Talk:Nocturne/@comment-26567573-20170514174211/@comment-26571276-20170527185044

@TacoParadox, I quite agree actually I apologize if I worded mine in a way that seemed otherwise. All the divers you mentioned all have a strong form of engage that can affect an entire team and their abilites for the most part are AoE. Nocturne being as single target reliant as he is; is as you said better for picking off targets. Unlike Vi, and J4 he does not have an actual shield outside of a 1.5 sec spell shield that is easily mistimed. Renekton has a  health and damage buff and insane team fight potential and Hecarim's ult combined with his charge are excellent for engaging and pinning down a target(s). It doesn't help that his kit has only one form of engage and that being on his ultimate which really should only be used on an isolated target as he can be very easily burst down if he attacks a group.

Unfortunately the only reason I build him as a bruiser is in my experience where he goes full damage or glass cannon he is too easily killed. Or is unreliable. Either way I do agree that he lacks that teamfight presence unlike another "Scary" champion, Fiddlesticks (whose ultimate can easily wipe out a team or severely damage) who does well in team fights and can get away with some bulk.