Talk:Udyr/@comment-202.45.119.23-20130208011123/@comment-76.187.209.68-20130208050827

Jungle wise, it's not the question of ap or ad moreso than the question, "single target or aoe?" This is hugely in part due to the fact that tiger udyer can almost jungle as fast as phoenix in the new S3 jungle.

Before discussing the option, you need to know that Udyr is a high mobility aa/on-hit bruiser/tank. His main builds usually incorporate a heavy amount of defences while incorporating some offence mixed into it. A usual udyr goes into late game as "annoying-ass-bear-slapping-bitch-manbearpig-runs-around-everywhere tank."

Tiger is mainly known for its single target damage and scales on Ad while dealing MAGIC damage on proc. Primarily used for toplane, it unleashes a huge amount of damage onto a single target, usually taking out a bar or two of health. A weakness of tiger is that you eventually have to keep up with damage items or else it doesn't scale too well in the late game. A usual rune page would be AD reds and quints along with standard armor yellows and choice blues

Phoenix is mainly known for it's multi-target damage and scales with AP while dealing MAGIC damage on procs. Primarily used for jungling, it quickly clears camps with its considerable aoe damage procced on every 3 hits. Scaling on attack speed, phoenix Udyr is allowed to build more defencives items while not dropping behind on damage and is able to split push much more effectively than tiger. A weakness of phoenix is that it requires 3 hits to proc some aoe damage aside from the active, calling for the need to stick onto an opponent longer than a second to get off a full proc. A usual rune page would be attack speed reds and movement speed/attack speed quints (I generally pick movespeed because Udyr really loves movespeed) along with standard armor yellows and choice blues.

Skill pathes to level 4 (the rest is situational of what you need)

Tiger: QWQE, QWEQ

Phoenix: RWRE, RWER

Udyr's main roles include peel, tank, initiator, and splitpusher. Within the jungle, he is feared for his annoying counter jungling powers and over-all neutral(if not positive) match up although he is dependent on his first blue. Keep in mind that if Udyr gets farmed/fed he becomes an annoying bitch-slap machine with 420+ movespeed.

That's what I learned Udyr to be, but a lot of this is subject to playstyle because you can use him for aggressive counterjungle, split-pusher, or a gank/counter gank machine.

And before I forget, Udyr is a a madreds jungler ( he doesn't need wriggles because he has a built in life steal of W ).