Talk:Orianna/@comment-4829762-20140206204403/@comment-7967732-20140214074307

I said not to abuse spells; I don't say only use AA. Ori AA range is just slightly better than Swain, but it is enough to land 1 AA and go back, using QW + shield + AA if he force trade.

I said "EQUAL SKILL"! Swain W is a delayed AoE with 125 radius (has animation that indicates where he uses it), while Ori W is technically delayed (use with Q as a combo), having double the radius and much harder to judge where she will use it when her ball is moving in a Q command. All that means it is much harder to land Swain W than a QW combo of Ori. If you eats alot of his W, while you can't hit your combo, he is simply a better player and it doesn't mean "cuz I misplayed and lost, what you said is only theory and useless in reality"

To Hugo Sotnass - You stated many things that are untrue:

- "She is easy to get kill with the amount of supportive..." WHAT? So supports must have lots of kills cuz they all have many supportive abilities? The statement above also contradicts with what you said later "Her kill potential is not high" (I agree with the later).

- "Sustain equals good zoning". Nasus, Morgana, WW... will disagree. Ori can just put her ball down and that is a danger position that enemy has to stay out or they will eat a combo if they try to get cs. She can zone like a boss and do so with much safety. Swain, meanwhile has to go closer to his enemy side to "scare them off", which doesn't work vs ones with strong poke (Ezreal, Ziggs, Cassio...) and put himself in danger of a gank.

- "Swain out range Ori". Wrong in reality cuz ball leash + W out range his W (and while the ball is flying, she can move freely). The effective true range of her combo is much higher than the original 825 range of her Q.

- "Ori can't do much until getting damage item". It is Swain that can't do much till getting damage item. Both have good base damage, Swain has superior ratio. So provide more AP, Swain can more effectively go bananas with Ori; eating some initial damage but will ultimately get close enough for EQ combo to out trade her.