Talk:Riven/@comment-81.203.237.91-20120311201152/@comment-50.44.15.7-20120314065640

I see a lot of fail here. I mean a LOT of scrub-logic.

Skipping getting early CDR on Riven is a death sentence. She needs CDR to keep her charge-chains going, and to let her dash and stun more often. The active on Youmuu's alone is enough to justify the rest of the item (of which Riven only loses out on crit). Riven's Passive is on-hit. Youmuu's is a gank-closer. Calling it useless just proves you're a fucking imbecile.

Now, getting a Bloodthirster early isn't a bad move. It's the ideal move actually, and one that rolls into face rolling. But only if you're already being fed because, well, it's fucking expensive, but it's also a stack item. If you're encountering real resistance in ganks, guess who ISN'T going to get that +100 damage 25% lifesteal? YOU.

So when that magic game doesn't come along every time (it won't, just check the ego and your bullshit claims at the door. Nobody wants to hear them.), you need consistency. Brutalizer is consistency for Riven.

CDR, Armor Pen, and Damage, all cheaper than a BF Sword, but collectively worth a TON to Riven. Get a few ganks, get your Phage, Boots, or BF Sword (BT) next, then do whatever AD build you want.

"People don't stack mass armor early-mid game anyhow, meaning most of the time you won't need "everything you possibly can". "

FLAT Armor Pen is better EARLY GAME when armor values are LOW. Most Junglers DO stack some armor early on, and are Riven's biggest threat. Brutalizer helps vs both.

NEVER get Last Whisper unless the enemy is deliberately stacking heavy armor (Armor > 90, with Youmuu's). Your flat Armor Pen from Youmuu's combined with your Meta-golem and BT damage should be more than enough damage, and even more brutal with Youmuu's active running in fights.

If you're still running into problems, THEN you swap out Youmuu's for something heavier like Last Whisper, Black Cleaver, or Warmog's for your Metagolem. Riven's late game isn't bad at all, but it's not dominant because it doesn't rely on the ever-so-predictable crit-train-AD-carry.