Talk:Gragas/@comment-15562896-20120413221719/@comment-69.141.8.150-20120414162433

the problem is that Gragas has been shoe-horned into a combo mage role for AP mid yet he relies on one spell to do the vast majority of his damage while other mages get three or can rely on quicker CDs or mechanics to boost their effectiveness.

He's got a solid laning phase and counters some mids well, but he doesn't carry well and generally doesn't add much more than his R to team fights, which can do just as much harm to his team as it can benefit them if enemies move in the wrong direction after casting.