Talk:Pantheon/@comment-5877442-20140219142446/@comment-7846894-20140227231854

Okay, I'm sure people have already mentioned this however I'll just be putting it all in my own words.

Sion is complete garbage and has no ad scaling, so he doesn't do squat unless built somewhat like a carry.

Riven in the jungle is like a shitty version of Panth, except without global pressure and a shittier bruiser build since she scales purely on ad.

Taric not only has bad clears, but he can't dual ANYONE and lacks damage pre 6. Same with Leona except she has ZERO sustain and her damage isn't reliable since most of it depends on someone else popping her passive procs.

Udyr has great damage and better tankiness but he has obvious flaws that if you need me to mention then I've no need to continue this conversation until you get more experienced.

Rengar has no stun so I have no idea why you mentioned him or Nautilus. But if he does choose to use his root, then he lacks damage... Nautilus has a notoriously weak early game.

Panth has one of the best early games, best diving potential due to his passive, has a lot of damage early by himself so he doesn't rely on the laner, can be built bruiser and do relatively well while having global presence and initiation.

Is his initiation as good as Vi? No. Is he as good as her late game? No. But that's not what you pick him for. You pick him to dominate and/or win lanes as early as possible or whatever else you can think to do with a global presence.

So what's your issue with him? He's got damage, pseudo tankiness giving him great sustain in the jungle and diving potential, with strong pre 6 cc that's also a gap closer? Tell me how that's bad.