Talk:Udyr/Strategy/@comment-79.103.164.116-20111114190121/@comment-84.250.35.35-20120403003159

Dysrhythmia is right about not getting wit's end on tiger udyr. Get lantern instead (assuming you are jungling because it boosts the clear speed so much, and yes you can jungle tiger udyr just fine don't even think about pointing that out) and don't rush that fucking trinity or else people _will_ rape you hard in team fights. Trinity force is a luxury item on udyr, only buy it if you are killing everyone like a madman already, but otherwise build the defenses needed and maybe consider building some AD too, but it isn't all that mandatory early on. Defenses such as randuin's/frozen heart or spirit visage/banshee's are good. Whatever defense is needed, build it. Randuin's also makes it so that you won't be kited by anyone. If you build frozen mallet/trinity on top of that or just grab the red buff, it helps a lot too (if you happen to land hits that is).

And then the case of phoenix udyr. Wit's end is especially good on phoenix udyr because it allows the 3rd attack to proc faster thus increasing dps and wriggle is not needed at all for clearing because the speed is already amazing. Also you don't have to worry about the damage, phoenix stance itself has plenty already and it also gives a nice AD boost too (I should probably point out that phoenix and tiger stance both make about the same damage to the target. Really). It makes perfect sense to build wit's end on phoenix udyr and a lot of defenses after that. It is just all he needs. And if you happen to fail it's just because you are a bad player, nothing else. Udyr takes skill to be played really efficiently because he is so easy to counter if played by an idiot, everyone will agree with me on this.

What do I build on udyr you might ask? Well I used to jungle tiger with him and go with the wriggle and spirit visage route with trinity being the last item but later on I have been really successful with phoenix udyr in jungle (after the remake on jungle happened. Before the remake I played mostly on tiger). I build wit's end, randuin's omen, some MR, shurelya's reverie and frozen mallet occasionally. I pretty much never achieve the full build because my games seldom last over 25-30 minute mark.

3v3 is a whole another story and I will not start explaining it because you people probably don't even care about 3v3 at all, but in short: tiger dominates there. I hope that some of these tips helped atleast someone, cheers.