Talk:Karma/@comment-14081808-20150529015217/@comment-7837708-20150529040125

@ FrostyShots

I think what Reikkenx meant was that her highest damage combo was and still is W into R-Q, the difference now is that her W has 0,3 more AP ratio and her ultimate will be up sooner, meaning a higher maximium amount damage. She has however lost her other ways of dealing the lower amounts of damage.

As far as I know, solo lane Karma maxed her shield last, meaning that she won't even notice these changes until laning phase is over, and even then she's gonna have more opportunities to shield and increase movement speed. She can still heal the same amount of damage with R-W, it is however safer now since the root duration has gone up.

The only thing she's lost compared to old Karma with these changes is her shield bomb, so stop complaining about her W. Old Karma W didn't even damage the primary target, and R-W only increased utility (movement speed/slow), something that these changes once again has added. I don't think anyone has said that prechanges Karma was clunky, they've been talking about prerework Karma (and since you described prechanges Karma's combo I don't think you're talking about the real old Karma).

@ PastaFreak

You should stop talking as if you're the voice of every old Karma fan. There are a lot of old Karma fans here who liked both old and new Karma, and that are positive about these changes. You only care about the opinions of old Karma fans, and you even ignore the old Karma fans who don't agree with your "bring old Karma back" mentality.