Talk:Vayne/@comment-8072585-20131021111000/@comment-7095057-20131023162235

Very much so, but that doesn't change the fact she is item dependent. Without botrk/PD/Shiv and greaves, her damage is relatively weak since she'd lack the AS to proc her bolts fast enough in a teamfight.

Lucian however has better range and mobility with his E, and his ability to take out carries is just as fast as Vayne. He lacks true damage, which is why his damage seems weaker, but his build diversity is better than Vayne's and he can fit into team comps better, where Vayne's team comp is about getting her that early lead and advantage, so she needs strong supports or early gank junglers, or an easy/farming lane.

Lucian by comparison doesn't have that laning problem, as his trading is good, his damage is decent, and his harrass and mobility are both good as well. His issue is a weaker mid game compared to other carries, but his early and late are both good. Will his late ever be better than Vayne? Probably not.