Talk:Garen/@comment-3493296-20170629135739/@comment-26146288-20170705081537

Uh? Until his E does less damage than 3 seconds of autos? It seems like you have that backwards? If it did less damage than 3 seconds of autos to a single target, you'd only use it for wave clear.

It already technically does less as long as you can get more than ~4 attacks per target in E AOE in over those 3 seconds. 6 if you're hitting the target by themself.

That requires ~1.6 attack speed (+~60% ASPD) per target hit in the first scenario, meaning it's impossible to do the same damage output with autos if you're hitting at least two targets, but possible if you only care about the damage to one. If you're only hitting one target, you need about ~2 attack speed to beat out Judgement, but realistically that much attack speed is never going to gel with Garen.

As for the buffs on the PBE, it will help him a ton. It will make him a bit harder to kite as well, for good players, as he can give himself a temporary +60% tenacity to shrug off a stun or an additional slow or something, as well as giving him some extra durability, without making him any stronger in low elos. Pretty good start, but he definitely does need more. He'll also be better at diving out of fights and coming back.