Talk:Kayle/@comment-4922088-20150508093643/@comment-25447003-20150513124319

I think I should clarify one thing:

+ her passive applies for single target (of Q or E), it does not apply for the splash of E.

Hence, she would attack ONE target 5 hits to get 15% MR/AR reduction for next 5s. (Out of 5s it's become 0% again).

So whilst it has some value, it's not very cool as it seems.

Darius has 25% ArPen persistently, Yasuo can have 50% ArPen lasting 15s - to all targets including neutral monters and structures.

Jayce can also reduce MR&AR of a target 30% after 1 hit.

KogMaw can reduce 28% AR&MR 4 secs with his Q.

Renekton's E can reduce AR of multiple targets (AoE) to 35%.

Some abilities like Vladimir's R can amplify damage 12% to multiple targets (AoE), from all sources (including monsters & turrets) in 5 seconds.

And even more...

At LV1, a typical champion has 20 AR, 30 MR.

-> 15% of that is 3 AR and 4.5 MR

=> An attack with 150 physical dmg will benefit like 7-10 more phys dmg from such reduction.

At LV18, a typical champion has like 80 AR, 53 MR (melee) or 32 MR (range).

-> 15% reduction is 12 AR and 5-8 MR.

=> The gold benefit is 20x12 + 20x8 = 400, given BOTH phys dmg and magic dmg are including in those 5s to ONE target.

Meh.

At LV18, a tank may have 200 AR and 150 MR. Maybe it's time for "hidden power" to shine?

-> 15% reduction is 30 AR and 22.5 MR.

=> So that tank has 170 AR and 127.5 MR in 5s ; Would it help the team take down that tank ? Sure, but nothing impressive or special, I would say just a little.

(And in reality, if your damage dealers - AD carry & AP carry focus on the tank, chances are your teamfight is lost because the opponent carries take down your carries first - usually they are squishy when they building damage).

Hah, ... It's quite far from Last Whisper and Void Staff effects - please don't spread false info - we know Kayle has little damage already.

(like 3 items on her is still not enough to carry - whilst most mages just need 2 items to carry in mid game, some even just needs 1 to roam around and spread terror)