Talk:Elise/@comment-26462860-20150622070542/@comment-26462860-20150625155625

@Dyomaeth: Obviously you haven't seen nor used Elise enough to know how amazing her W is. Her W is better to be maxed out before her E, because her human E only offers utility and when in skirmishes, it would only stun the tanks not the damage dealers and her spider E is only used as a gap closer/escape. Thus, having it's quality divided by a lot. Both on human and spider form. She is mainly played as a jungler, and her spider W helps her tremendously in the jungle because of the AS steroid and heal on attack. But, as what Altemeus said, (only realized it now) if Rito were to move the buffs from her new E to her W, it would make her seem broken and extremely powerful in the jungle because they moved the heal from her old W to her ult now.

And no. Her damage is not terrible. I commented on this page a few days/weeks ago saying that she is useless the way she is now, but I made terrible judgement. She is not meant to be played as a glass cannon nor as a 100-to-0 mage. You can consider the fact the she can be played as an assassin, but she would be to squishy and would die before she can even do something in skirmishes. For a champion who was not supposed to be bursting people down, she does a lot of damage and man the front line when built correctly. And honestly, I love Luden's Echo on her. Might sound trolly, but it's great. My build goes like this where I can hundred to zero anyone on the enemy team except for the tank, but still be beefy enough to go in the front line. In no specific order, 1. Trailblazer (mostly cinderhulk but I use magus sometimes -I'm tempted to try out runeglaive on, just waiting for it to come live- depending on what your team needs). 2. Iceborne Gauntlet (I'll probably switch it for a tank item when I find runeglaive good on her) 3. Void staff 4. Sorc. Shoes 5. Randuin's Omen/Frozen Heart/Thornmail 6. Spirit Visage/Banshee's Veil/Locket of the Iron Solari.

Elise is not supposed to be played like on one game, you would go full burst, then do so in other games, too. She is supposed to played like a support/tank/assassin hybrid, where you play her depending on what your team is in need of