Talk:Vi/@comment-1853032-20140224092939/@comment-4068613-20140319090950

II would like to reiterate that slowness is not irrelevant because telegraphing your engage, whether it can be prevented or not, is still a disadvantage.

Malphite's ult applies full effects to all targets hit, as opposed to a nifty, but momentary and unimpressive "knocked aside" in an AOE. (if you want to quantify an actual duration for this mysterious "freezing" upon landing, that would help, otherwise using actual numbers is better for comparison)

Malphite has a long-lasting slow/haste, an attack speed slow for anyone unfortunate enough to be nearby, and AOE damage, as well as strong incentives to build armor to utterly negate the ADC's threat both to himself and to his allies.

BV increases the number of spells that need to hit you by one. The parallel is existent and meaningful, and serves my rhetorical purposes pretty cleanly. (making it so VI always targets someone else or has to wait for something that isn't inevitable seems like a pretty good counterplay to me)

I see people (myself included) surviving Vi ults during the early laning phase often, so I'm not clear on where you're getting the claim that Vi's ult means inescapable death.

You're now assuming Vi already has a randuin's, enough resists to make the slow last a considerable amount of time, a BC, she was able to reach within ult distance through enemies striving to protect their carry, and then further assumed that her enemy's team wouldn't have the means or motivation to protect their carries.

8 seconds to kill her and a skillshot/dash that can be blocked by any champion doesn't sound like "no counterplay" to me. Vi can't stick to a target now that her only targeted gapcloser is on CD, and she's surrounded by enemies that block her followup and probably slow her. The targeted squishy is entirely capable of kiting Vi for the short amount of time it takes for the standard carry to melt through a fortified target, and unless 5-10 seconds is the maximum duration of a teamfight, then the fight goes on, a target is weakened, and Vi is dead.

I'm not sure how you can keep claiming there's no counterplay while mentioning Morgana as an easy and reliable counter so often.