Talk:Vayne/@comment-93.138.38.4-20110517121126/@comment-93.138.26.202-20110519042327

Your Eve comparison is pure fail and Sircal was right. Reason you don't compare one Eve ability with one Vayne ability is because their roles are worlds apart. Vayne is bursty ranged ad carry, Eve is stealth assassin. Also, it's a bad idea comparing one ability of champion X with another ability of champion Y because those champions tend to have 3 other abilities and a passive. Unless they're fairly similiar which Eve and Vayne are not.

Nasus? Seriously? He's melee, easily harassed and will not farm 300 minions unless soloing vs Soraka or someone who's unaware of the fact that you shouldn't let Nasus farm his Q. Does Vayne need to farm her Q? On a melee range? You're again ignoring the whole context of a certain champion and just selecting a part of them you'd like to compare to Vayne.

Strut takes time to build up and is EASILY CANCELED: Night Hunter isn't the best passive out there, but it sure isn't worse than Strut. You can chase better with it and both are non-existant when getting away. Siphoning Strike vs Tumble I've covered. I'd just like to say that this and other "Hey let's find Q/W/E/R which are better than Vayne's out there" attempts shows that you know less about game balance and mechanics that you think. Only Q/W/E/R does not a champion make. Look at the whole package. I haven't done the math of Reckless Swing over time comparison to Silver Bolts, but I'm guessing that if you can RS the enemy continuously, you can Bolt them too. Say Vayne has 2AA per sec. In 4 seconds, she does 8 AA. That's almost 9 which is 24% max HP. Squishy with a bit of HP has 2400 HP. 24% of that is 500-600. RS*2 is 680. So RS is a bit better ignoring the fact Bolts trigger on abilities too. However, RS has far less range than Bolts and costs mana. And early game RS self-damage isn't completely ignorable. Bolts have no cost or damage for using whatsoever. Also, Tumble & Condemn > Undertow & Vicious Strikes. See what I did there? Condemn I've covered in comments before. TL;DR - too much burst and is easier to land than you claim (jungle anyone?). It's funny how you say nothing about Gold Card burst or the picking of a gold card which isn't instant and can fail. Ashe Ult sure is better than Vayne's. I wonder if Ashe has a non-ult ability that has potential 440 base damage. Or early-mid game burst. Or stealth. Or AD steroid. And another one.

TL;DR - If you're going to compare champions, compare them whole, not only their similar abilities. And learn some manners if you want someone to listen to you.