Talk:Thunderlord's Decree/@comment-26288916-20151228211245

I think that the damage difference between Thunderlord's and deathfire lies in how often you can proc deathfire, what level you are, and in how many enemy champions you are facing. Because thunderlord's has a 20 second cooldown, it is easiest to calculate the damage in terms of per second damage, or total damage every twenty seconds.

DFT does 2 damage + 12.5% bonus AD + 5% AP per second.

TD does .5 - 9 damage (depending on level) + 1.5% bonus AD + .5% AP per second.

DFT Does 40 damage + 250% bonus AD + 100% AP every 20 seconds.

TD does 10 - 180 damage (depending on level) + 30% bonus AD + 10% AP every 20 seconds.

So what does all of this mean? If you can repeatedly apply DFT to your enemies, it has a gigantic scaling of both Bonus AD and AP, and you can apply it multiple enemy champions at once. TD, on the other hand, has higher base damage but lower scalings, and can only affect one enemy champion every twenty seconds, but it does it's damge instantly.

However, these numbers assume a perfect world...

IRL:

-you are not going to apply DFT to your enemies every second

-you are not going to instantly apply thunderlord's decree every time it comes off CD

So, What does it really mean?

Thunderlord's does a lot of damage very quickly, and can complement a burst combo very nicely, and it relies on base damages, not scalings. However, it can only affect one enemy.

DFT does a lot of damage slowly, but requires stats that require items in order to be effective. But, it can affect multiple enemies simultaneously.

So, which is better?

Thunderlord's decree appears to be the default answer, as it is strong without items, and can help you win a fight very quickly.

DFT, on the other hand, can be very strong when used on certain champions or in certain situations. If you can consistently poke your enemy, or if you can apply DFT on multiple enemies at once, then DFT may be better.

Thunderlords is better on champions that rely on basic attacks, because they can't apply DFT very easily. it is also better on bursty champions or champions that do not build lots of stats. Champions like supports benefit from Thunderlords.

DFT is better on champions that do lots of consistent AOE ability damge, or lots of DOT's or champions that do quick pokes from a distance. It is ideal on Brand and Cassiopeia and mayber some others...

For champs like Vel'koz (a big favorite of mine), or Orianna, or Teemo, or Heimerdinger, etc. I'm not sure which is better. Is it better to have the burst from thunderlord's, or the consistent poke damage and AOE application of DFT?

Or is Thunderlord's Decree better for pretty much everyone?

Or does it simply depend on play style?

I have no idea.