Talk:Veigar/@comment-24823977-20140924134922/@comment-15244341-20140930113947

People forget that what really makes those two dumb as balls are not the stacks, but how retarded both their CCs are. Both Wither and Event Horizon are SSS+++ spells that require just the champion to have some levels to make them wreck face.

Also, as Oda said, you don't need the Nasus to have 300+ stacks to deal damage. If I ever play him I do with TP and TP-gank bot since Nasus has really strong teamfight presence as a tank even with zero stacks.

Veigar, however, is even worse. Veigar works like LB: there is a point in the game when you start to play 4v5 since Veigar WILL instakill any AP mid/Support/Marksmen if he gets his DFG combo on them. His box is also pure murder if you have any other assassin in your team, since it just locks 3+ people for 2.5 seconds when properly used. I'd actually say that Veigar shouldn't even look for stacks at all during most of laning fase since it just makes him so so so so so easy to kill and trade with. The stacks are something cute to get when midgame comes.