Talk:Riven/@comment-5160958-20140110223848/@comment-4834593-20140112193006

@U N Ovvrn: So Bloodthirster is the only offensive item in existence according to you? Because there is no other way to get that much shield, except with the ult that simply is not always up (even then, you're going to need all offensive items minus one or AT MOST two Bloodthirster).

And on top of that, health/shield without armor and magic resist is... Well, not exactly nothing, but it's not a lot. It's an average endgame AD carry crit (if you buy the normal AD carry items, not niche items like BotRK and Statikk Shiv).

@StarSaviour: I prefer Last Whisper over Black Cleaver because it's more armor penetration, even if you apply every stack (at which point that AD carry you're focusing should be dead already), and it's cheaper with nearly as much AD. Say that you buy LW and Bruta, that's 600 gold more, and you have 15 AD more, equal flat armor penetration, 15% more %penetration (okay, it's penetration instead of reduction, but that doesn't matter THAT much), and 200 health less. In my opinion, that's worth it. (and I would also like to mention that Riven's AoE's, apart from her ult, are pretty small, and you won't be hitting more than one target often, considering you're in the backline with people who all want to stay away from you and will try to not be in melee range of the one you're going for first. On top of that, remember that BC's penetration, different from Last Whisper, is not instant, but you need to use part of your skill rotation already before you actually make use of it)

And yeah, I'm not a fan of Spirit Visage. I feel like if I only buy one defensive item, and it's not either Warmog's or Guardian Angel, that I don't feel the effect enough. And as you said too, they're nerfing the cooldown reduction from Spirit Visage in the next patch to 10%.