Talk:Riven/@comment-7434112-20140118152608/@comment-7434112-20140120230120

You do know I didn't say anything about lack of retaliation? I just said to walk away, juking preferably, for a bit until her shields wears out. Ans i'm talking about a situation where 2 laners CS and Riven E's to engage where you can either be a man and fight her or wal and get her to chase after you and then retaliate.

I was feeling something a bit off with your calculations but now I got it, you didn't take in the fact that it gives that health for 1.5 secs. Next, HP regen gives HP and is a form of sustain, the shield only gives effective health for 1.5 secs (don't simply ignore that second part when it was a part of the same point -_-). And you do know that the shield doesn't give you health right? So "36 hp/minute is recouped after 2 shields" isn't true in that regard. Stats wise, the shield increase is again, for 1.5 secs. Its not permanent like ruby crystal and so can't actually compare it cost-wise with actual health.

I see no post made by you about skill efficiency, and to clarify a bit more on what I was meaning. You said that there's no reason not to use E to block damage, but there's the fact that it is also your gap closer and when its on CD, it becomes harder to engage.

I didn't compare Riven's and Sivir's shield and spell shield to each other. I brought out the difference between a normal shield (Riven, Janna, Ori, Lee etc) to a spell shield (Sivir and Noct from whit I remember). And a thing which I feel you are blatantly disregarding, Riven's shield blocks damage ONLY. It doesn't block an ability's other effects, such as CC or debuffs. Sivir's ult has a mana cost as well, and they're changes because she gets the attspd from her W at lvl 6 or something along the lines.

And wow! Thanks for the info that Riven's manaless!! I was wondering why I was always OOM whenever I bought a mana pot and frozen heart. -_-