Talk:Elise/@comment-77.100.244.225-20121218170600/@comment-81.51.16.158-20121218234644

they both fall equally hard late:

true:

late a nida spear does 2/3 the carry  hp at max range

late   elise is  incredibly hard to kill as her spiders stop skillshots and she can just press E and gtfo, can alsso initiate on a bad positioning  with her long range snare

so many games won because of a person caught by a snare through the wall +  spider form E to get to him and kill him

i do think they're different in a simple way :

i think nida ap needs LOTS of ap to do the poke thing, no survavibility needed, cougar is just  to escape  /chase or finish peeps

elise ap   is better as offtank imo :  sorc/liandry/rilay/  runic bullwark /voidstaff/  randuin  is good imo because her % hp with  true damage will do lots of damage even with 200ish ap and then you need to go in and   tank while dealing damage in spider (that's what work best for me at least, i feel ful ap elise just dies  after killing someone which sucks)