Talk:Riven/@comment-5037376-20170415192424/@comment-24951773-20170505145609

Renekton is basically Riven if you sacrifice damage for tanky stats, but I don't think that makes him more oppressive. I still find Riven to be more anti-fun.

Also yes, it's incredibly difficult if you're melee to win trades against Illaoi, but how can you die to her? She has no sticking power. Just walk away from her. Riven has much more kill pressure than Illaoi does.