Talk:Shen/@comment-4659726-20121116205702/@comment-4659726-20121121014816

^ Of course testing is obviously needed. I mainly have phage first because I figured junglers would be able to gank me before I got the hp portion of the phage in. Or that the laner would be able to hurt me a bit much without the hp. Similar to the reason why you get Heart of gold quickly.

More testing needed obviously, I don't know how soon a jungler can gank. How deadly their ganks are, or a proper order considering the new feel of the game with items.

I could very well go boots, Avarice, Phage, boots 2, Aegis/Shiv, Aegis/Shiv, mallet, Armor portion of Randuin's, Bulwark, Randuin's, Atma's.

Final build, Boots2, Mallet, Shiv, Bulwark, Randuin's, Atma's.

All the theory in the world still needs a bit of testing, but I still feel shiv is a better choice than Ravenous Hydra. I can see why a second avarice may not be needed as the laning phase is over by then. And will take that into consideration. Maybe I'll just build the chain vest from atma's. I hardly think I'll get to late game so this build relies more on the hp for damage. If you get to Atma's, you can crit, you have great amounts of AD, and are super tanky.