Talk:Cho'Gath/@comment-4636093-20170126004342/@comment-18009514-20170128110114

He always built full AP, tank chogath sucks. All of his cc abilities are too high cooldown with little impact AND way too hard to land even with 45% cdr with the exception being his W cc actually being good 2 second AoE silence but it's still very hard to land ever since the conic ability changes.

Now riot is removing AP scaling from his ult but giving it a very weak max HP scaling instead. This mini rework will fail hard if the W changes they gave him arent good enough for him to hit the ability consistently from a bit more range.

Riot is trying to enforce the tank build without giving cho a complete rework so that he has either reliable cc abilities that aren't very strong cc-wise but have more modernized lower cooldowns or unreliable cc like he has BUT actually good payoff if you land it. I will give you an example from sion. His Q is way easier to land AND have better cc and it has really low cooldown too since both you have other abilities to slow the enemy enough for it to hit and also it has less delay and higher knockup duration even if you hit it with lowest amount of charge up time possible for knockup which is 1 second for 1.25 second knockup. Chogath Q literally takes 1.5~ seconds to even hit with lower AoE and without self cc to help you hit it and with less payout of 1 second knockup. It's also followed by 60% slow but this slow is useless unless you caught someone without a dash. Sion already has this slow applied before the knockup and it even lasts after the knockup ends too because slow is 2.5 seconds long! You can use W to stop people from dashing away after you land Q right? WRONG! because for that to happen you need to land Q nearly inside your silence range, by the time you walk up to a max range Q hit and use W for silence they will already be out of the 1 second shitty cc. W also has a cast time just like Q so you literally only have 0.5 second time to move after you land Q and then press W to properly chain cc. Before the conic ability rework this wasn't as big of an issue, people could still flash away but they would get hit with silence after and still be slowed so you could possibly catch up and you obviously could walk up for the entire duration of the knockup instead of 0.5 seconds only. This is why I said if these W changes in the PBE aren't going to work to solve this problem chogath is actually NERFED! Hey at least he can't lose stacks anymore tho so you don't have to play for KDA :^)