Talk:Graves/@comment-10977589-20130830190651/@comment-8468980-20130921073418

varus and cait are not hyper carries.

Graves is a lane bully, establish hp advantage and either kick opponents out of lane to prevent their farm or kill them.

Graves isn't poop tier but Caitlyn does his job much better.

I have a lot of fun with Graves, but they have literally nerfed everything about him including AA range, attack speed per level, smokescreen effectiveness, etc.