Talk:Gragas/@comment-4539735-20140310103455/@comment-7967732-20140310162411

and Gragas does not have a dash, a slow, a knock back?

Gragas damage is a bit unreliable, but so is Ori ult. Ahri damage is one of the lowest ever if she can't land her Charm (guess what, it's an unreliable skill shot as well).

Your idea "can't land Q in laning phase = GG" is bullshit. He is one of the most tolerable in lane when missing skill shot (free mana + damage reduction & health sustain). Gragas, though I do not think OP, is one of the safest champion, either playing mid or top. Either aiming for kill in lane or just farming, he remains relevant all game. Farm Ahri used to be OK, but now she just sucks so much late game. Ahri must roam and get fed, otherwise she gets outscaled hard. Orianna kill potential is among the lowest in laning phase, and she's not a good roamer despite her fast waveclear. You can tell people "stop QQ about Gragas", but stop making it sounds like he sucks and many others are much better.