Talk:Sejuani/@comment-5077844-20140326201648/@comment-9048637-20140415014127

Tanky junglers are in a bad spot right now generally, it's true. And I too found Sejuani's early clears unappealingly slow and dangerous after the pre-season jungle changes. However, the following changes I found bumped it back up to acceptable levels:

1) AS marks, obviously, but also Fury in offence over Sorcery. Yeah, CDR is nice on a utility champion, but the extra 5% AS does a surprising amount for your clears.

2) Make sure to take all the regen masteries in defence (as well as Bladed Armor, obviously). Hardiness also helps. Perserverance is the important one, I find, though, as well as Recovery of course. I was sceptical at first, but it really made a lot of difference to her sustain.

3) Max W first instead of E. I always used to be against this, because I wanted to maximize my CC during ganking, but now that Sejuani's clear speed is so poor, I find that that's more important usually. I mean, E still gives a 50% slow at level one, which isn't bad by any means. So my maxing order is now R > W > Q > E. (I find you really need to max Q around mid-game, since the lower cooldown on your hard CC helps a great deal in teamfights, and the %-health starts to really hurt at this point. Hence whether I max W or E first, I always max the other last rather than second.)

With this, Sejuani's clears become greatly improved. Sure, they're still only average, but then, she's always been about the ganks and late-game teamfighting rather than clearing or counter-jungling. She still does those things scarily well even with this setup geared towards improving her otherwise bad clears. Is this the situation we'd like to be in? Of course not. But the point is, Sejuani still works. She just requires a slightly differen't build.

Finally: even though Ancient Golem has been nerfed rather badly, and Spectral Wraith is a bit underrated, I still completely advocate for the former over the latter on Sej. She doesn't scale well with AP, and she needs tankiness from items since her only steroid is very weak (this, in my opinion, is what makes her such a terrifying late-game champ: she has wonderful utility, but needs items to perform her role as a tank well since she has only a weak steroid. This, funnily enough, is similar to Ashe as a carry. But that's just an aside). So, as poor a state as it's in right now, AG is the way to go, if you ask me.