Talk:Luden's Echo/@comment-35229418-20150315183157

Ok, so it looks like this thingy actually beats Lich Bane as a first item on TF, and by a lot. Assuming you don't get any AP from runes and masteries, your W+E+Q ratios are going to deal 216 damage with Luden, which surpasses Lich's 172 damage by 44, raising your damage by ~26%.