Talk:Lux/@comment-7627698-20130405061820/@comment-5931201-20130406112116

Umm. I didnt take ziggs for comparison because he is poke champion who pokes with his basic abilities. His q has max 1400 range. Lux can poke too but mostly with her ult since range of her basic abilities is not as high as ziggs q. You said He has a mid-low'ish cooldown on his Q If its mid-low'ish tell me which champ has even lower cd? Ziggs Q has 4 second cooldown. Its 2.5 times less than lux Q. I cant also agree with He is NOTHING without the ulti. Ziggs does have huge damage with his basic combo. Mines, 2 Q, and passive. Assuming your enemy hits into 1/2 of mines, his combo has 2.55 ratio. Lux single target ratio is 1.3, when combined bind with singularity. They both has aoe of course and ziggs wins with higher ap ratio

I didnt compair draven because he is adc. And I will leave it like that. Why I disregarded their ult similarities? Because as I said lux rely heavily on her ult. In lane you got one target, another mid laner. With basic abilities Ahri has 1.81 ratio and ziggs 2.55. Ahri has almost same cd and ziggs has lower. Biggest difference is 1.3 ap ratio which lux has.

Lets play game, 1v1 ahri vs lux and no one is allowed to ult. Who you think will win? Just for raw calculation seems like ahri will.

I want to also disscuss about Ahri has to "dance" into hostile territory. Reason why ahri does that is because she is assasin, lux isnt. Assasins has waay better damage than other champs but they also has higher risk of getting killed. All assasins go all in, LB, Zed, Talon etc.

''Her output without her ulti is JUST FINE. It's in line with EVERY other AP champ.'' Not fine, output in lane is 1.3 ratio just too little. Most champs has atleast 1.5 ratio or less because their lower cds. Lux cd is 10-11 second. Pick me one champ who has same ratio with 10 second cooldown.

Now while I have answered to you all points. You answer mine. Lux win rate according to lolking is 52%, what you think will happen if she gets 80 second ult cooldown nerf?