Talk:Udyr/@comment-7818256-20130802011308/@comment-5955640-20130802195511

I think you need more data before you can say for sure that he's overpowered. Some champs are supposed to be weak towards him and you have to understand what build you are running with and what builds he has. Go to the stratagy page and look at the general information for jungle Udyr. Then look if you can build Nocturne to deal with the general makeup and damage potential he's going to go with in most cases.

After that. And this is important. You need to employ some other junglers to jungle with to test how strong he is. Nocturne could bully an Amumu out of his jungle but a real duelist requires an equally strong duelist or an anti melee champ. My strongest suggestion would be Trundle. I could see Trundle messing up Udyr at half health by Q'ing him and using frozen domain.