Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-3358335-20111007173239/@comment-3486816-20111008195224

One of Asp's first points was that from a "theorycrafting" standpoint, Garen seems like he should be able to carry, but from what he's actually seen Garen is usually pretty useless late game and pretty easily countered during his strong early. From what I see (and again, only from what I've seen), Garen did indeed become useless once I reached a level of play where people on my team had the brains to not focus a Warmog's Garen. I know he can indeed be effective, but I just never see it in my own games. Effective, yes. What confuses the hell out of me is people apparently starting to say that he's OP.