Talk:Shyvana/@comment-24049414-20140107084440/@comment-5209745-20140116183254

Let's point the most important thing here:

"Our argument seems to be taking a slight detour into mockery and sarcasm valley though, just want to make it clear that I don't mean any offence, just being playful."

I am not a native, and sometimes these kind of terms look like rudeness, so please, accept my apologies.

Now, going back to our argument:

"Her W scales incredibly well with levels and AD, it's part of why Blade of the Ruined King is commonly picked up on her and justified (all of it's stats can be put to use), and even if it didn't scale well with AD, her E and W wouldn't even need to scale with anything but levels, they do incredibly high base damage already."

About the AD scaling, please, have a peek at the thread above, I explained there why you don't go full AD with her.

About her base damages, I guess this depends on each one's point of view. They don't see so big to me as compared to other offtanks.

"It doesn't work for everyone, it works for tanky tops, the tankier you are the better use you make of tanky masteries, that's why Wu, Jax and many others are taking a time out."

I still don't follow you here. Right now, if you go with the old 21/9/0 setup, the only thing you lose is a 2% penetration, while getting tankier. That's actually why now more offensive characters end with a 23/7/0 or even 2X/2/X masteries.

"But all these Mundos, Renektons and Shyvanas in the European LCS? What idiots those pros are, do they not even know that Shyvana isn't that overbearing top! It seems to me like your assessment of Shyvana is incongruous with what basically everyone else is thinking and saying (she's heavily picked, commonly insta-locked and a near perma-ban, as well as a tournament mainstay atm), which isn't to say you're wrong - I've had lots of unpopular opinions in the past - but it doesn't lend credence to your argument either."

Whatever the pros do, it won't always be the best, and most of the times it will be just experimentation that people takes too seriously. Anyone remember AP Tryndamere?

Sure, people can do whatever they want and follow the sheep in their blind outbreak. But anything Shyv can do, is like 1/3 of most top champs should be able to do. She farms and duels, ok, but she can't harass/poke, she can't outsustain, she can't apply any witty strategy with a DoT neither has CC pre6.