Talk:Shaco/@comment-5512878-20130927101356/@comment-5557556-20131003181046

Shaco has so many problems right now. In some situations he becomes impossible to play.

Backstab used to deal more damage.

Deceive had greater range. At thicker walls you have to stand near the wall to be able to jump over.

Jack In The Box had higher AP ratio (way higher), base damage and used to last 2 minutes instead of 1. Also if an enemy champion has Ravenous Hydra, your boxes are useless. If that champion is having at least 200 damage and uses Hydra's active, all your boxes will be dead. Because of these three AP Shaco is now officially dead.

Two Shiv Poison was able to blind a champion on auto attack. It was removed a while ago.

Hallucinate was the same as it is right now.

Another problem with Shaco is the mechanic of his ultimate, it will reveal real Shaco if you have buffs on you, if they ping on you before you cast your ultimate, heck, even Sheen particles will appear on real you.

Stealth detection makes Shaco sad, one Oracle or one ward and he can't escape you. One screw up early game and he is useless for entire game. His skillset seems like a one shot wonder. His Deceive is used very actively, but his other spells dont bring in much. Even with 200 bonus attack damage (which will be around 310 on level 18 with base damage) you will end up doing 410 magic damage with his Two shiv poison which is not much in all honesty. Even if you Deceive and crit for 850 damage or if you are good enough for 900 that will yield 1310 damage. Now make that 917 damage instead because of damage reduction by armor (at least 30% damage reduction). So what are you going to do about 1100 health that carry now has?

And that is the problem with him, he goes in, takes a boom and that's it, if you can't kill your target in that kaboom, you can't kill it, since your dueling skills are not that strong because of box not doing any real damage without AP or being able to survive a single auto attack of anyone.

That leaves you with Hallucinate which can help with the problem and you might win, but what to do when it is on cooldown?

So, all in all, you can kill someone, but he has to be below 1000 health, he can do much in early game, but he can't do squat in late game. His kit is lousy for any actual dueling because of so many things even though it was not suposed to be like that.

The only good things that Shaco does better than anyone else is escaping and pushing a turret. He can push as fast as Yi thanks to boxes and his clone, but that wont do much in a real teamfight.