Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-15562896-20120531004807/@comment-15562896-20120531010719

Actually I always find retarded his damage/cc without items and it's even more ridiculous that this stays true if you go gp5 and 9/21.

I actually get fed so much as Jungle Jarvan that I often get my Trinity Force before 20 min, just as if I was top lane..

As for the ultimate, well, I never use it to initiate, but make sure my target has no flash before using it (most people will flash out when they know they will die if they don't regardless of my ult, if they're really in a bad spot and still not flashing I'll most of the time ult them at that time).

Also kinda ridiculous the amount of first blood I've gotten as jungle J4 despite my target flashing.