Talk:Veigar/@comment-26359415-20150511154507/@comment-26359415-20150512154124

Exactly. He's somewhat safe against low-mid champs and can even get to poke a little if they are mispositioned. But then again, I think smart opponents will still zone him/force trades if they're playing champs with high range poke (Zed, cass, azir, xerath, corki, varus, and plenty more). Or just stand in front of the minion wave (as long as it's not huge) and zone him easily because if he trades you're going to win it no matter what (yasuo, cass, kha, talon, riven, and pretty much any other AD come to mind)