Talk:Riven/@comment-4499945-20130720020753/@comment-5707860-20130724043253

this "wall" is nothing if you were here before the anons got erased you would have seen mini essays between me and Leyrann concerning matchups.

first off i would like to ask at what lvl these matchups you are playing cuz it does make a major difference. i dont have over 100 games specifically against Darius and Jax. my experience is about 150games with Riven in silver and gold in S2 and 80ranked games with her so far in S3.

vs Darius, Riven will win the early game but like i said "build tanky and still dish damage" Darius will start off on the weak side but after the first buy back with decent csing he evens up in the matchup. Darius should not be trading early game as i stated Riven is most dangerous at lvl 2. at lvl 6 Darius has just as much kill potential as Riven as long as Darius hasnt been feeding. it just comes down to how well he is at keeping blood stacks when he ults. the Darius player needs to be able to utilize his pull as timely CC and use the AA reset on his W. oh and Darius was never blatantly overpowered before the nerfs he just had a rather straightforward kit.

vs Jax, before lvl 3 its in Rivens favor, at lvl 3 its even, at lvl 6 and beyond its in Jax's favor. its even at lvl 3 because you are less of a threat to him once he has all of his skills up. Jax doesnt have just a "shield" against Riven, he has complete immunity to her AAs. any decent lvl Riven player knows that Rivens AAs make up 60-70% of her damage early game. you say "right timing" but the timing is a guess as Jax gets to pick when he uses his stun after the initial 1 second of dodging. most of the time W is used to start the fight as most people will E, W into Jax to start.

theres no point in adding jungle pressure into the matchups since it goes both ways and adds too many variables.

i dont see how you being able to outplay everybody helps the OP. i agree player skills beats champion kit design but since we dont know his skill lvl all we can do is look at kit advantages.