Talk:Vi/@comment-6061249-20150525144952

There's like a thousand of comments about her ultimate and i can't even try answering them all, but in overall - yes, it's disgustingly stupid and i just can't imagine how is anyone trying to consider it fine.

She doesn't wreck your whole team afterwards, that's right. Oftenly is not even allowed to finish the target off. There is however a single issue that makes it endlessly toxic.

No dodging.

This basically means, no accessible counterplay.

Point and click abilities in overall are the knife in the back of this game, but in the end they are needed, as otherwise mobility would become supreme (already being a huge balancing factor).

There is, however, a difference between healthy/fine point and click ability and awful one.

1st fine type: Ally-targeted. It's absolutely okay to have simple access to those, at least IMO.

2nd fine type: Anything that due to being a 100% clear hit is limited in some way. This includes:

- abilities with short range, to some extent melee abilities (examples:, , , )

- abilities that aren't massive gamechangers

- abilities that are powerful point and clicks, but are counterable in other accessible way

3rd fine type: An ability that does not affect enemy champions directly

The toxic type: An ability that is just strong, and in combination of being a point and click mechanic or due to how the champion works, is just terrifying

Any of those listed, powerful or not, are somewhat acceptable.

And then... Here comes Vi. She literally has all the points of toxicity under press of a single button.

High range + easy access with other abilities? Check.

No accessible counterplay possibilities? Check.

Directly affects an enemy champion? Check.

Has any additional effects that make it even more powerful? CC immunity, knocking enemies on the way aside, some nasty damage - Check.

She may not be OP at the moment, but definitely is a terrible champion to play against, and still is definitely a powerful pick. Just to remind, those are words of someone who actually picks her too, not a random person who got wrecked in their ranked match.