Talk:The Black Cleaver/@comment-98.176.203.117-20121215144620

This thing is still broken even after the nerfs, you see almost every bruiser and even ADC seems to favor this.

Take Urgot for instance. Builds Black Cleaver and Last Whisper, then proceeds to build completely tanky while ignoring every shred of armor on your team. Sure you can stack health, but HARHAR, their AP mid has got Liandry's Torment and is currently bashing the keyboard and shredding your health.

You cannot counter these things inherently. They don't need to be removed, but toned down. Brutalizer and Haunting Guise were AMAZING snowball items because it offered such great stats: Penetration. But now that they've got upgradeable paths, everyone gets them because they just offer so much.

Penetration is broken this season.