Talk:Nocturne/@comment-8506165-20131017143558/@comment-15244341-20131023092117

If you think Nocturne's ultimate is bad, then I dunno. Backlines are always threatened by Nocturne if it's off cooldown, since he can just get there. Counterganks from within your own jungle while putting pressure on ALL the lanes. It is good, even if you don't like it.

And I've seen assassin Nocturnes fail badly because he has no inbuilt tankyness. He has the same problem as going full damage Diana or Lee Sin o Xin Zhao. Sure, you kill that one guy pretty damn hard, but then you get exploded by the rest of the team. Or you even don't kill the guy, since people normally have time to react to Noc in a teamfight because he is an autoattacker and has not much burst at all. This is from a teamfight perspective.

And lastly, you have the issue of the jungle. You are in the jungle. You have to assume you will get next to no money. Assassin Nocturne needs some money. Scratch that, he needs the gold a laner gets, but he is jungling. With his mediocre pre 6 ganks, he is iffy in the whole getting superfed. Same as Diana jungle. You can't buy the damage you get in lane, so you'd better be awesome at ganks. Or in lane, of course.

Actually, I've seen the most success out of a bruiser-ish Nocturne. A friend of mine gets golem+tabi into brutalizer. If he is fed, he builds BotRK and then more tankyness. If he is not doing great, he finishes Youmuu's and goes tanky, with a late BotRK. I've seen him jump backlines and get some kills. If not, he does zone them pretty badly. Nocturne's kit does make me think he is nor an assassin nor a tank, but a bruiser. He does really well with just a few damage items.