Talk:Vi/@comment-9705522-20131006105729/@comment-7095057-20131006224950

Both of those yes do have range.

But I'm sensing a different problem. You're explaining a situation where vi has tons of damage (High AD) and high HP/armor, which isn't quite compatable with her until later game, where she starts to get better anyway. The build I'm guessing you're running into is:

Merc Treads > Sunfire > Warmogs/Omen > IBG > Cleaver > BOTRK > Frozen Mallet or another defensive item.

Even with that Vi shouldn't break 250 AD, which shouldn't have her instant kill you with that much damage, as it'd mean her ult, E > AA > E combo will only do a grand total of 600+700+250 = 1450 before it's mitigated by the base 30% armor that all champs have at 18. That said is it still quite a bit? Yes. Does it mean you're dead? No. Vi's a AD caster. If you can survive her starting burst (Not hard if you get a chain vest early if she's nuking you) and use a dash ability to get out, you can kite and outsustain her. If she's got high hp, you simply build a botrk and use it's active after her. High armor? Get a LW early.

There are ways to get around it, it's not like the moment she ults you you're dead. If she's blowing you up early, all you need to do is build items in a slightly different order than normal. Perhaps rush an early chain vest to survive the burst, or grab a Frozen mallet as a tanky kite item instead of a viel or scimitar. Maybe save barrier for those moments she'll jump you, as Barrier's CD is normally short enough that it'll be up for vi's ult.

In lane, I get your point. If Vi ganks you in lane it's normally a guarenteed kill. Similar to WW and other champ ults. But even as Vi I'm not going to dive a champion I know I can't kill fast enough without my teammates. There are limits to her tankiness, and if you build according to counter her and other champions you'll be fine.

I'm only speaking from experience as I have turned around many fights against a vi in the manner you talk about. Hell I had a corki game that had the enemy vi absolutely MURDERING my face for most of the mid game.... until I finished my botrk and got a brutilzer. After that vi, with her 4k hp would attack me, and get shreded because I'd outsustain her burst skills and was nuking down over 400-500 hp per shot. That's why I'm saying if you can survive her burst, all she becomes is a walking punching bag. botrk is a good counter to her for more than one reason, and investing in early armor or armor shred items will wreck her from my experiences with her.