Talk:Veigar/@comment-9414601-20151001181614/@comment-27004415-20151002153003

@Anotoman123 the only success rengar and fizz had against veigar, rengar had to use both ulti AND flash. And if you look at Hai's lee sin, he always showed mid not necessarily to successfully gank but also to put the pressure veigar can not put alone in laning phase against fizz. And it's always more profitable for the jungler with the scaling ap carry to be the mid babysitter compared to the jungler with the assassin mid, cause you have to put less ressources in order to win the game (a gank doesn't have to end up into a kill, but just break a freeze, force the assassin to be afraid to all in). Veigar is a threat, a babysitted veigar becomes an assassin mage.