Talk:Shen/@comment-25320798-20150503031659/@comment-24896347-20150503034009

Now now, Shen isn't a bad champion, he may not be the best, but he is pretty good.

When you say "if shen ults say goodbye to top turrets" Yeah, so? who cares about the turret, you probably picked up kills for your team mates as well assists and saved your team mates, as you did just ult down bot or mid, you have probably picked up some good assists or kills, this will then allow your allies to push the lane and probably take a turret as well. Also, top turret gone? hah, just use tp back up top after helping your team, done and dusted Shens job is done.

Shens ult worthless late game? nope, you can split push since your passive does some pretty amazing damage to turrets combined with something like a trinity force, if your team goes for a fight, ult your squishy while split pushing, then now you're in the fight and now you have just shield your squishy and are right next to them since you ulted to them.

The examples you suggested being better for top lane, well yes, some are better but why are they better? explain, how is tryndamere better? his teamfight is trash, his split push is the only thing worth noting, Shen can split push and have strong teamfight presence while dealing pretty good amounts of damage.

Riven gets destroyed by Shen in lane, try dueling this guy, good luck.

Ryze won't do anything if shen decides to rush something like a spirit visage, they will be at a stalemate, neither can kill each other.

Sion can barely split push, and if anyone even has half a brain, they will understand how to avoid his ultimate (his most major teamfight strength) Shens taunt is harder to avoid and if he taunts the entire team or a lot of there members, the fight most likely will be won by Shens team.

Jax is the same thing as with tryndamere.

Singed won't be able to kill Shen if he rushes a spirit visage, such as with Ryze.

Kennen will have a hard time trying to kill Shen, although Kennen has a much more dominant teamfight, Shen has better roaming power and can get his team ahead through ulting around the map.

Shen isn't bad, you are quite bias with your statement, seems like you have just generalised every Shen or the champion itself to be bad because of one encounter with a bad Shen. It was the same for me with Bard, I judged Bard by seeing one encounter with a bad one and considered everyone bad with Bard as well as the champion, however, im started to see why Bard is pretty good.