Talk:Spirit Stone/@comment-4304118-20121117172755/@comment-67.53.53.210-20121119012122

Guys, you keep saying TF + FH, but Frozen fist does the same damn thing, except the sheen proc + slow is AoE and costs half as much. I won't buy TF just for 8% MS (nice, but diminishing returns on MS means hec doesn't get too much from this stat) 300 health (60 armor is better anyway) and 30 AD, 30% AS and 10% crit (15% CDR is almost a better offensive stat, given how little the crit and AS matters, and you can get 30 AD for the difference in costs between the two items).

Meanwhile FF has better procs and slows, YES PLEASE.

Also, you can rush this after your GP 10.

Machete -> Philo -> Tier 2 boots -> GS -> Sheen -> FF

Then just upgrade your machete to a legendary (Ancient golem + Swiftness or Lizard Elder + Mercs. normally, but Tabi + Ancient golem vs heavy AD). Grab something for MR (Spirit visage is OP on hec, but it means you can't get Shurelia's because of CDR caps, Mercial might be good but costs as much as a freaking IE, Maw is still legit). Upgrade to shurelia's if you didn't get Spirit Visage, and finish the last 1-2 items with whatever fits.