Talk:Vladimir/@comment-4929329-20121021184808/@comment-4659726-20121022055804

I personally think that Vladimir will lose vs renekton for the main reason that Renek's early game is good? correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairly sure renek's early game is one of the stronger ones of top lanes. I am not sure when Renekton gets slice and dice but Vladimir should be focusing on last hitting with auto attacks and auto attacking Renek when his slice and dice is down and he goes up to auto attack. Same with using Q on him, although you'll probably be using Q every time it is up for healing.

A Vlad should NOT engage on Renek unless there is a gank. And usually if vlad is losing he won't push the lane too hard and wait for that gank. Unfortunately Leona is a terrible jungle imo.

Starting items and build is important too though, vs. Renekton I might actually just start cloth+5 just so I take less damage, taking standard build and a doran's shield if he really is hurting.

The silver lining here is that while Vlad will generally lose lane because of his weak early game, his teamfight is amazing. So watch out for that. If he can get a decent amount of farm, even if he dies a few times in lane he can be a deceptive threat with his ult.

Also theoretically a really good vlad will not pool until he is about to die or a CC will lead him to a death. If you gap close him he should 1) start running for kiting, 2) pop a hp pot, 3) pool ONLY if 1) you will die if you don't, or 2) the enemy laner decided to tower dive you for the "kill". I've had a lot of people die simply because they tower dived Vlad while my pool was up. About half the time I die because there is not enough gap between champs, but I do net a kill off of it which is good in my book.

One thing I noticed is that Renekton's ranges are really short, so if he wants to save slice and dice's dash away for escaping he will have to be at 450 range. This means that Vlad will out range and should kite renekton whenever he can. He can go for an auto attack on a minion but if he sees renek go forward to try and gap close he should back off a bit.

My 2cents, not much experience vs renekton though. Not a very popular top by any means. Definitely wins vs vlad but...you could say that about a lot of champions.