Talk:Zyra/@comment-6182525-20140110030158/@comment-7967732-20140212105626

You simply don't know how to play her. Zyra is no longer at her Season 3 World glory, but far from being weak, especially compare to Lux. Zyra ulti is still one of the best support ult in the game, and though it does not as reliable as say... Tibber, the huge "dead zone" that it create can still split the enemy team in easily. She is not the kind of "carry support" like Annie or Fiddlestick, but Annie or Fidd normally have to build some AP to really carry and thus being rather squishy, while Zyra after Liandry can go full tank and still put out very high damage.

I agree that her early game is rather bad now, but if you lane with passive carry (that like to farm more than trade), she really has little problem survive early game (with her plants + seeds zone out the opponents nicely). The best are Twitch, Ashe, even Vayne (generally hyper carry or one with high utility). The S4 support changes help her having enough gold for items as long as she does not let enemy ADC snowball. Once late game comes, Zyra is one of the nastiest support. As hard to kill as a true tank and do a lot DoT (consider her only damage item also give 300 hp).

My last rank game w her in S4 : 1/2/19 - end game with even abit more gold than our Ashe.