Talk:Athene's Unholy Grail/@comment-4983785-20120425031703/@comment-149.169.174.223-20120426184138

I never grab morello on ahri either and for Karthus your looking at a champion who can still fight after he dies and has a 1 second cooldown low cost ability to proc the mana gain, that's a very specific champion looking at a specific item. I could say something like "Will is amazing on Vlad have you ever seen a Vlad not get Will?" That does not mean that every AP mid should get Will as their core and Will is OP.

The item's stats aren't that good and are spread all over the place. The mana on kill/assist isn't dependable in a lane versus an equal opponent it might as well not exist. It won't help you unless your already winning and even then only if there is still something to throw your mana at, if you happen to run in and finish off a teamfight what is that mana for? pushing? Because buying something so I can throw spells at minions if I happen to win a teamfight is not at all why I would buy an item. And if your already winning why are you buying cdr/mana regen/mr over AP and mage pen? do you not have control over blue buff? (blue buff + blue pot + runes/masteries will give you max cdr lategame for when you need to engage in teamfights)

Not saying the item consists only of that passive but there needs to be a real reason to buy the item. Your opponents are gaining gold just as you are, and if you want to talk about how good an item is you should expect that they are doing = to you (otherwise we might as well call SotO/mejais the best items in the game if we always assume we crush). Comparitively speaking other items give more damage, can still give tanky/utility (RoA/Rylais/Abyssal/Hourglass), and in my opinion are just plain better. The Cdr/mana/mr regen does not increase the average AP mid's ability to burst someone down (for dps mages this is a different story though I still believe that other items are better) and Abyssal is more effective damage/mr than grail anyways.

And as a quick sidenote to morello's gaining the grevious wound ability, this would only effect certain matchups where you are getting it to counter someone who consistantly using spellvamp/healing, such as vlad, morg, ahri when she's charged her passive. Again in a regular burst or harass scenario that active isn't helping you. If we want to talk about counterpicks or such then that's a different conversation.