Talk:Xin Zhao/@comment-3014924-20131129082852/@comment-8468980-20131214195511

Taking both buffs no longer gets you to level 3, and getting to level 6 and 13 is also delayed. There's generally a good chance of a ward in key brushes if enemies can guess when you've gotten level three or so. These are pretty clear nerfs.

Junglers like Lee, Rammus, Elise, and Eve have risen (not that Lee was ever low in jungler power) due to their ability to circumvent wards, while Junglers like J4 and Xin have generally had a tougher time since they can't do much to avoid being detected (J4 can flag... but then there goes your ganking tool).