Talk:Garen/@comment-4499945-20120604135316/@comment-4900160-20120606155548

^ I'd like Garen ult to deal more damage nonetheless. Lately, many champs have been released and they feel like Garen 2.0 (Wukong, Riven, Volibear, Darius...)

The last 3 all have WAY better finishing moves than Garen has:

- Riven has AoE finisher with very good scaling

- Volibear has a scaling finisher on low CD

- Darius has the best finisher in the game, period.

So if it was up to me, I would lower the CD on Garen's ult by 10 to 15 seconds at each level, increase the scaling out of missing HP (Or add another type of scaling) and add a small bonus to both him and nearby allies when his ult finishes someone off (Bonus gold? MS buff? Resistances buff? All of the above?)

I would make his spin scale of TOTAL AD (right now it's just too weak by late game) while decreasing base damage, Make his Q crit, and buff his W hardcore (remove the farming factor and give it 8/16/24/32/40 Arm and MR, make the active a cleanse just like GP and still grants %age damage reduction for 3 seconds). Also, decrease the downtime for his passive so he does not get completely shut down by ranged champions.

RIOT wants Garen to be the ultimate bully who deal shitlaods of damage and tanks forever, but they do not want to give him neither a hard CC nor a gapcloser. With neither of those, he NEEDS to be fucking strong.