Talk:Karma/@comment-5996957-20140405182043/@comment-5996957-20140409114241

Sorc boots ,athene, cap, the little mask/void staff (may both and later liandry), zhonya, liamdry / twin shadows(with movement speed of TS and the upgrade of your boots you cant be stopped)

If you are vs Ad buy morrelo not athene and frozen gauntlet and furror boot upgrade.

If you are playing with ignite  you can take fb at lvl 2. 1st when he comes to your lane for blue or red you can shoot him with ult and Q and AAs and till lvl 2 you are going to have your ult again.

If you are playing with barrier you  can make them dive and heal with W2 and with barier and your E its pretty strong.

If you are playing with TP there is one High risk high reward tactic. You are starting with blue pot 2 wards and potions. And you have to tp on your mid turret rly fast and ward the buff you think they are going. Then warding the other. If you succeed stealing blue or red 1st you can deny their jngl pretty hard by stealing his buffs and warding his jngl and killing him on and on. But Im not doing this often because there is big chance of using smite.

So at lane you can own them easyly. After you get your 1st blue buff you can start roaming. Karma wave clear is not big at the early lvls but with ult and q u can killl all the minions (you have to be at the max range at your q and  use your ult at all 6 minions) I preffer going bot after cleaning the wave and taking kills or assists and helping my adc. Some times i babysit top if its nasus or jax but i need tanky top cuz they are too op.

Mid and late game it depends. If your adc is fed you are like 2nd support  only peeling and killling the guys who are trying to get your adc. I like staying behind theur squishies and Spaming Q2. If you are ahead you can siege with ease.

Well karma top is pretty strong vs champs like rengar and riven you are owning them pretty hard with your W2. After getting the 1st turret go mid and help the others or if you are super ahead ward evrywhere and kill evryone who tries to stop you pushing.

Karma support is poke oriented. I like playing karma support at the purple side od the map because of their tribush. After they finish helping their jngl with red i simpy ult and Q them and spming AAs and with spellthiefs edge you are leaving them like 40-50% of their hp. If you are with your adc you may also burn summoners spells.

If you want i can tell you a few more things.. :D