Talk:Kayle/@comment-94.65.45.37-20120831062616/@comment-174.112.213.38-20120904215623

Hybrid Kayle is viable, and definitely has her place in certain matchups, but ad kayle can do many of the things that hybrid kayle does. Yes, there is a difference between crushing your lane and winning your lane, but any kayle build WILL deny the crap out of the enemy. I've played a couple of ranked games as her, and my enemies have come out of lane with 10-25 cs. If that doesn't warrant a gank, then what does? Ad Kayle also has mobility, so even if she takes the tower down later but then hybrid kayle, she has a higher chance of pulling off a successful gank than you do with hybrid. Not too much higher, but it's still relevant.

hybrid is stronger early game, and that does make her a stronger pick when you're going against kayle hard counters.

I think the problem is you don't understand how ridiculously easy it is to deal 2100 damage in a minute. Assuming she has 70 ad (She has more), and 0.7 as, she'll be dealing 2940 raw damage. She'll definitely have more ad than that, and i didn't even factor in the crits for that, either.

Thanks for the as formula. Figuring out the as was a bitch before.

And with your calculations, it seems that bybrid kayle doesn't beat out ad kayle too much, at level 9. Sure, there are some other factors in there, such as cdr, mana regen, and movespeed, but for the most part at level 9 they're about even. Also, if you factor in the 10% crit chance, you actually get 227 dps on ad. But i'm just being picky here.

The way I see it, hybrid kayle is strong without question, but I can definitely see more situations in which adc kayle makes for a stronger team. I'll still go adc kayle on most of my kayle games, but I'll consider a hybrid build if i'm going against a difficult matchup or have some weak early game champs in my team comp.