Talk:Aatrox/@comment-26203093-20170315115258/@comment-26203093-20170319044348

... are we all basically imagining a teamfighting tryndamere cleaving everywhere while regenerating, being taken to the brink of death and being stronger there? Because that's what would make thematic sense, but his kit is nowhere near there.

It would also effectively force him into the role of a juggernaut for balance purposes with all the aoe devastation. either that or they'll have to make him skirmisher like where he wants to build aggressively and run a razor's edge of survival and death; the problem being nothing in his kit supports this either because of his very basic auto-attacking nature.

And skirmishers are notoriously difficult to balance for riot; fiora, yasuo, ekko... riven...

I think the closest we can get is riven, and if he's supposed to revel in melee cleaving everyone, I think range and cc should be the counter, so point blank cc, and mini dashes to control range while always attacking to maintain his health while cleaving enemies - probably needs some % armour penetration to make him effective attacking the tanks who are most likely going to be found there, too.

That's honestly the type of champion I love - but all of it is rife for abuse and if the skirmisher route is taken, he NEEDS to be promoted to build aggressively - like he used to with his heal scaling hard with AD and AS, so he doesn't start build bruisery and ruining the fragility dynamic.

a teamfighing skirmisher is also fairly unique - riven being the closest, I think - and I think we all agree she's actually better duelling - which is archetypically what skirmisher do well. If they can change his dynamic to be about lane survival  - while giving him the kit to do so (already has healing) - and anti-melee teamfight domination which is more fitting for someone revelling in war, it'd be a pretty fun champion with clear strengths and weaknesses.