Talk:Riven/@comment-5077844-20130914103749/@comment-7967732-20130915135621

Granted the manaless thing was a bit ... weird, I seriously think she's not OP (even a bit mediocre). She has high early damage, but Renek, Garen pretty much rape other melee same way as she does (all are resourceless - Renek just have additional effect by Fury). It's their intended role anyway, being the bane to high scaling melee champs like Jax, Irelia (fact though, Jax actually is a skill match up vs Riven).

Lissandra, Kennen, Elise are ranged champs that can deal with her. She buys some life steal? How about mana pots for more harass (Kennen even doesn't need). She naturally has no sustain anyway. 4 dashes, but all 4 are short and predictable (for exp, Elise can easily land cocoon if Riven try to engage, Kennen can run, Liss can either use her dash or snare, with the snare out range Riven stun alot). Another decent one is Kayle, which mana pot at start can harass Riven really hard (burn thru her shield easily). Kayle needs 1 point in W at lvl3 and being more cautious though.