Talk:Ryze/@comment-177.131.198.208-20121120124426/@comment-72.171.192.119-20121120145121

Actually, I just did some math. If you built his current usual tank build of RoA, AA Staff (Seraph's Embrace), Frozen Heart, Banshee's Veil, Sorc Shoes, and Void Staff, he loses a grand total of 600 mana. Though, if you remove VS and throw in, say, Muramana, He'll actually gain 400 mana from his tank build now, but he'll lose that MPen.

Take that as you will, just figured some numbers would be useful.