Talk:Udyr/@comment-50.53.137.54-20130131053121/@comment-84.251.20.14-20130131203341

He's not very good with farm unlike many other top lane champions and he sucks at teamfights. Not worth it to put him top lane, imo.

Counterjungling is pretty much dead with the jungle changes, save for characters like Shaco and Lee Sin who are able to murder the opposing jungler with ease (hence their popularity in S3). Those two are also frequently banned.

Furthermore, in S2 Udyr was played primarily as a tank who focused more on tanky items with resistances and CDR. Most of those items were nerfed (Frozen Heart, Shurelya's Reverie, Randuin's Omen, etc) and itemizing purely for HP makes your Turtle Stance weak because you lack resistances. Penetration changes and movement speed change also fucked him over. Riot could remedy this by making Turtle Stance scale with bonus HP like Nautilus' shield, but I doubt they'll do something that drastic.

Udyr always had the problem of being kited, but at least he used to be tanky enough to withstand punishment and perhaps eventually reach his target. Now you can't even do that anymore and you just melt in teamfights before making any noticeable impact. It's quite sad, really.