Talk:Thornmail/@comment-85.207.18.54-20120128121514/@comment-24.146.194.181-20120507055903

hmm, a passive that makes you return damage to an attacker IF they attack you (and if they have lifesteal, a typical amount of armor pen, and even a small amount of MR all you are doing is countering their lifesteal but still dying to them just as fast), or a passive that effectively reduces ALL damage from autoattackers anywhere near you by 20-30% whether or not they are focusing you...

I think you have your order wrong... Thornmail is actually better on people who already have some armor, or are beefy some other way, otherwise the carry is still gonna chop through you like swiss cheese. Frozen heart's aura, however, is always useful.. same goes for Randuin's active. The only good thing about thornmail is that it is relatively cheap, but its still basicallly a tank's item, and a situational one at that. Getting it on a squishy carry is usually not that great, and getting it early on a tank is likely to not help your team anywhere near as much as the other options you have..