Talk:Graves/@comment-1120494-20140917133437/@comment-1120494-20140925154055

Graves:

(Q base dmg 200) + (W base dmg 260) = 460

Q Bonus AD ratio = 80%

Lucian:

(Q base dmg 200) + (W base dmg 220) = 420 (dont know where i got these 530 from, obviously its wrong)

(Q Bonus AD ratio 120%) + (W Bonus AD ratio 30%) + (3x passive AD ratio 50%) = 300%

To cast Q+W Graves needs 100+90=190 Mana, Lucian 70+60=130 Mana.

So basically, if you pick Graves, you give away +220% BonusAD damage & -60 Mana per spell rotation to get +70% attackspeed, +40 base dmg, +25 range, +max 30 armor from passive and AOE-easier-to-land ultimate which needs to hit at least 3 targets to deal same damage as Lucians ultimate on one target.

Its not as bad as I thought, but its still questionable if its worth it.