Talk:Riven/@comment-4834593-20131228142718/@comment-4888212-20140107220246

i would consider karma a very good pick agaisnt riven. call it counter or not.

she can get every CS from safety, riven can engage, but with a shield+snare you get away as well. using mantra snare will heal you after a trade should riven be able to reach you.

your shield will mitigate damage should riven get at you. once rivens CDs are off, she will retreat, giving you several autoattacks on her again.

if riven gets no kills, she doesnt snowball, and that is how karma functions in this lane. should riven start to roam or karmas jungler feed riven, karma is going to have a bad time.

riven does outscale karma after lvl6, that is true. BUT you can scale as hard as you want if you cant reach karma. rivens usually dont get boots, while karma will rush it.

IF riven gets boots2 asap, she will lose the stat advantage of the early/mid game, bringing her behind karma is riven has no kills.

sure it isnt a hardcounter, but karma can play easily and safely against a riven.

the unique combinations of karmas abilities make her versatile=hard to fight against.