Talk:Hecarim/@comment-206.248.127.105-20130218012738/@comment-217.83.177.217-20130219104807

And your first part is all about 1vs 1... not every jungler is a duellist: nunu, nautilus, shaco, eve, malphite...

and again ...you say he is bad becausehe cannot compare to 1vs 1 fighters with a steroid > Heca's Q is an AD steroid with 190 damage + 0,6 AD every 4,3,2,2,2... seconds and it is AoE

W ...you are talking about 1vs 1 again... dude can you just play Jax or Olaf if you want a duellist that bad?

next comment of you: you are saying that it offers no sustain ...do you know how expensive 20% LL + spellvamp are? and you do not just get it for your attacks it heals you for allied attacks/ spells too (even summoner spells)

you say that his junglespeed ain't great ...> smite will not be ready for red buff if you start blue but you can easily do it without it and you are finished with red before smite is up again; so you want him to be faster than Noc - may a Olaf- low- life++ speed?

you complain the he doesn't have tons of resistances - buy less health because of your W and more armor and magic resist because Heca lacks this stats as a steroid

you are also saying that you are skilling W because of the minion cap - do the math and you will see that Heca does not reach the cap vs minions except if he combines it with smite (W rank 1, Q rank 5)

"Seriously ->"I don't expect more tweaks than this one, Riot may changes the numbers a little bit before it goes live " Dude you contradicted yourself." >why? Riot may changes the CD, give him 5 more or less damage on his Q or give him 19% healing or may 21% (19% healing or 21% will proabably not going to happen"

so let me summarize it...

you want a steroid on Heca, more damage on his Q to have the fastest cleartime ingame (he has a fast cleartime right now)

so that Hecarim will be the fastest jungler with one of the strongest non stealth ganks, who can invade - kill the enemey jungler and than run away with his E from the enemey mid while having a very strong initiation lategame with strong AoE damage and a defensive ability that scales with your carries

and again - Heca is fine, even if they take 1/3 of his W healing