Talk:Orianna/@comment-34037140-20180116092152/@comment-14081808-20180118181643

Okay, I'll start with Ziggs. Like you said it has no utility as far as CC. It does, however have a tendency to make teams disperse, turning a 5v5 into a 2/3v5 as your team chases them down. However it does not do a "ton more damage" unless you have something holding them in the center. Without the center damage increase, the difference in damage is 50-100 base and 3.3% AP scaling. Nice when yoi can get that 50% damage bonus in the center, but that isn't going to be often without teammate support because of the CC he has on his other abilities.

Next is Aurelion Sol. Yes, his base cooldown is ower than Orianna's. He, however, does not prioritize or really build any significant amount of CDR. So her ult will still be up before his 9/10 times. The slow on it is nice, but the knockback is sort of selfish, putting enemies to your outer limit. This can potentially put them out of range of you ADC while placing them perfectly for your buffed stars. It can be useful for disengage, but Orianna's ult is just as good for that.

And OMG Zyra! I LOVE HER. Used her to rank up last season. Favorite support ever. However, her weakness is that her zone of control does not really move with her. If Zyra roams anywhere, she loses the garden she built up in her lane of seeds and only has two to carry with her. If she ults, she may push the enemy team off a bit but they can re-engage by moving just a bit away and be perfectly fine. Wherever, Orianna goes, the Ball follows and her damage never suffers.

But you are right in that those other champions will likely put out more damage in a game. Orianna has slightly lower base damages compared to those champions. This is because she also comes with support utility, her shield and MS zone. If you took those out of her kit, you could definitely expect her to have and put out similar numbers to those champions. But if she were to put out that damage AND have that utility, she would be OP as fuck ans banned every game. Or played as some crazy damage support like Brand turned into only worse because she could still protect her ADC.