Talk:Ryze/@comment-3165723-20110128033645/@comment-3363768-20110128040240

OR, you could Q the opponent first, get rid of the BV, then snare, ult, bouncing balls, and by then your q is just about up again. I don't know why people always think BV is such a good counter. I purposely go out of my way to make sure its down before I try to do something big, because I know otherwise it'll be a waste.

Like when I'm Zilean, and I see an enemy with a BV before a team fight, I'll use my slow on them, just to get rid of it so other people can go ahead and nuke them.