Talk:Veigar/@comment-25544813-20151026044721/@comment-11218751-20151026045915

You either buy or  (depending on your enemies of course) because both items require quite a huge amount of AP to actually be cost-efficient. Buying both means less AP and a waste of money.

and, and to some extent, are situational items. It really depends on your enemies' team composition, teamfighting power, and your team's teamfighting power as well.