Talk:Garen/@comment-3493296-20120801214610/@comment-4929329-20120803200725

I don't think you play much Garen.

His problem is that all he has is dmg. Spin once and the entire enemy team loses half their HP because you only need 1 tanky item to become a pseudo-tank, meaning you can itemize for dmg with everything, even your boots, as long as you have something like Atmog's. Building Last Whisper is a slice of cake too, I managed to do it and stomp a game even when the enemy top was Shen, who dominated me until he was getting ganked and had to leave the lane. Later that same game, I picked up about 20 kills for 2 deaths or so. If you call Garen an early game champion, you obviously haven't looked at how his abilities scale. % reduction is insane late game, his scalings are obscene and his E can CRIT AND BENEFITS FROM RUNES AND ITEMS LIKE INFINITY EDGE. That and his Ult does % of your missing HP. Garen can even remove some forms of CC with E and continues to deal dmg while CC'ed in any manner, while reducing their durations.

True dmg but lower dmg? Don't turn Garen into Darius in any way... Darius isn't played so much for his true dmg, but the fact that he can autoattack people to make his entire kit better. His W has smaller CD the more stacks are on your enemy, his R does more dmg, and people like to run, meaning they get hit by your Q pretty hard. Oh, and you gain MS from bleeding champs. Darius is played because he has a pull. That's all.

Courage needs a smaller CD, especially at lower levels, this much I like.

The reduced dmg is there for a reason. Jungle Garen is a very bad idea, even GP and Pantheon do it better.