Talk:Ryze/Strategy/@comment-5841875-20121208022112/@comment-67.87.73.166-20121208172144

havent tried muramana yet i might grab it. i used to take fon last for movement speed and to maximize my tankiness i was finishing with like 180 armor and magic resist while hitting for like 600-700 but it doesnt exist anymore so thats kind of a moot point. havent tried mikaels but i might the shield from seraphs embrace is pretty awesome and with the mana on kill assist you can dominate team fights and get away pretty decently id say if i did use muranana hed benefit from it even more. i kow about masteries but the support benefit him in every area except offense which i dont usually go all out in because my damage is decent in all phases of the game my role generally is to harass root etc not to try to grab a ton of kills im a tank ap carry not a burst mage. hitting harder with vois staff is ok i guess but it gives no mana and you dont really need magic pen like that on ryze stacking mana/health increases your tankiness and damage its more important to be tanky rather than go for straight damage id choose sustainable tank than glass cannon any day. and again on the athenes the cdr mix maxes it out no need for buffs anymore you can stay in the fight longer.