Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-76.93.19.248-20110709110030/@comment-98.252.26.207-20110710121448

I'm the guy below asking what other people did with Garen, and I agree!

This whole, "Garen does no damage late-game" is a bit of a myth too, I feel, perpetuated by people who build Garen too tanky.

My friend, as Nasus, 1v1ed me, and he stacked health and armor items - Randuin's, Thornmail, Aegis, etc. and he told me I was still doing good damage to him with Atma's, Phantom Dancer, Infinity Edge and Last Whisper. I was doing enough damage to put him on the defensive that game and keep up with Nasus' super-farmed Q.

Our builds were stupid, but I realized too, after playing Ashe, that Garen's damage is not that bad.

In another game I used to play, instead of having specific "builds" we had "build philosophies" which basically meant that there was a certain item combination that would be optimal, but no one item was optimal all the time.

So for Garen, I've started doing this:

Boots Attack Item Defense Item Defense Item Attack Item Attack Item

And I draw from a relatively small pool of items and mix and match as the situation arises.

I feel Garen only needs two truly defensive items because of Courage. So for example, some people run Randuin's + Spirit Visage. I can see that working. I personally prefer Sunfire + Atma's + Hexdrinker/Force of Nature against a balanced team.