Talk:Ivern/@comment-4636093-20161004085257

I just realized a sure fire way to hard counter Ivern. Take his camps but leave a single small jungle creep, season 2 style.

Back then stealing camps was the only meta there was and the only junlgers you could play were counter junglers with fast clears like Mundo, Udyr or Shyvana. The rule was when facing someone with high AoE take all the creeps in the camp except for one small one, and when facing someone with low AoE like Warwick or Nunu only take the big one and leave all the small ones to slow them down more.

In Ivern's case, taking everything except one is especially damning because he has to go the full 20-30 seconds to clear it no matter how many there are left.