Talk:Riven/@comment-26370304-20150507112013/@comment-24600239-20150507165306

@YPN So yeah, the argument is that she is resorceless, has AoE stun, °%hp execution, ad scaling on everything including her shield and bunch of dashes and a knockback. See, thats not an argument, thats a fact.

Maybe you think its cool to defend something everyone hates FOR A REASON (where there is smoke, there is fire), but believe me, you are on the wrong side here.

It's not that all said above is strong on paper, but it's strong in practice also.

Now I'm not saying she is easy to master, I've seen some pretty bad rivens that get owned by all sorts of champs (exluding her "counters"), because they don't know how to cancel Q animation, don't know how to time E to mitigate dmg etc.

I've read some of the comments waay below that that try to "torn to shreds" some of the everyday facts about riven and general unfairness by people playing against her, by giving examples of scenarios where riven rushes into enemy team and gets blown up, or where enemy jungler camps her to mess up her early game etc, but the thing is, those type of comments existed even before patches where her Q got nerfed, E duration was cut in half along with her base hp regen, after which some people cried "GG Rito, she is unplayable now" etc...

Clearly most people don't consider her weak even now, on the contrary, they find her kit toxic and while YES, it is possible to outplay her and even counterpick her, that window is so little compared to other champions, that it's no even funny when someone jumps in and defends everything about her, while thinking of bad Riven players and plays to justify their "arguments".