Talk:Shyvana/@comment-5211662-20140711084946/@comment-15244341-20140804210930

Aatrox can't kill Shyvana if she isn't dumb. Shyvanna outscales Aatrox pretty hard. Aatrox deals okay sustained damage, but Shyvanna does so too and hers is more consistent (read: no need for three autos to do it) and not single target.

Shyvanna is pretty much countered by lane bullies and maybe Jax and Ryze. Aatrox can't reliably take Shyvana out of the game and that is what you actually want against late game champions. It's not Aatrox that says to the enemy team: "How do you stop me?" when he gets picked in champion selection. It's Shyvanna the one that does, and Aatrox in that lane isn't the answer. Think of Shyv like the tanky Jax. You either stop her early or prepare for a world of pain.

And, TBH, I've never lost against Aatrox as Shyv. Not going for dumb trades and waiting on six or ganks pretty much assure you are going to win lane. You can even push him under tower really easily if you are going tank with Sunfire since Aatrox clears pretty slowly if he has no hydra/tiamat.

Plus Randuins Omen is pretty much core as the first tank item you will ever buy on her. And that item is golden against Aatrox now that his E deals far less damage than it did before since it screws his only way of dealing damage.