Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-10590654-20140613055028/@comment-10590654-20140614103711

Season 2 I wasn't level 30 XD, I was talkin from a standpoint of normal games in general sry, ofc for ranked every op thing is constantly played but normals I mean cmon. Yeah as for Elise I'm speculating a bit from what I've seen in OGN/LCS etc and from what I've seen it's Elise/eve/lee.

From what I understand Elise has the same level of early because of base damage with a stun pre 6 and 8 spells. Around 6 lee spikes over her at 6 because of an ult. Late Elise has prctg current hp Q, an execute 2d q and basically a long range poke and stun that lee lacks for sieges. To compensate she has no cc in spider form and no way to peel except for a stun while lee has Tempest and Kick as well as a mini shield. She blocks Q with spiders and can duel lee more easily than others aparently but it's more of a skill matchup (quoting foxdrop here) Please do tell me if I'm wrong I have nothing against learning^^.

But tbh it just hit me that even in normal games I've had a streak of 2/3 lee sins in my games so idk, I just qq like everyone else^^ (look at most comments XD). In ranked ok, but in normals its too much tryahrd for me.

As for the Lee bar I meant it more as it explains the reality of the situation well, but yeah I wasn't clear. Basically since he is quote stonewall008 (idk which video or tier list) "the perfect jungler" he does set a barrier as U N ovvrn said. I'd never seen it as such but yeah he stops you picking anything else which is what saddens me, no diversity, similar prob in bot lane for adc.

But whatev I'm just qqin^^, I want more jungle diversity basically, and for Lee to be more challenging to play aka nerfed a bit.