Talk:Udyr/@comment-4019444-20120409060727/@comment-4515660-20120411162030

Here's a tip, you need to be an idiot to start with Turtle, here's another you're still going to run out of mana before you can poke him down since Turtle give health surstain aswell, thrid tip, yeah you can be manaless, but unless you're Vladimir, Lanedyr is going to melt your face with Tiger if you try to provoke him, oh yeah, another tip, Turtle stance is usually maxed first in top lane since Tiger is a 1 point wonder early game.