Talk:Riven/@comment-4530717-20131004175203/@comment-5209745-20131009193022

@BIA-Kaboose: Well, everybody has its counters, even Riven. And Shen, Rumble (You forgot it, and you should totally try him since he pretty much counters anything melee) and Udyr are the ones who rock her harder than anybody.

I agree that Udyr feels AWESOME as a jungler, and I'm not going to deny it: As a laner, I preffer him in TT instead of SR, given how awesome Muramana is on him and that in TT charging a Tear feels less crappy than in SR, but I can tell you: Besides for my recent experiments with Morg, and a mirror lane in a normal game, everytime I've wrecked any Riven has been with Udyr, even before his rework. It's just because his early potential is kinda better than Riven's, because well, even when he lacks of dashes and range, his stun lasts longer and should hit harder than Riven's, Tiger deals somewhat a better burst than Broken wings (Although I can tell it doesn't looks like that on paper), and although his shield doesn't scales very well into late game, earlygame-wise its base strength is better than her's. If you know how to time his abilities, you can shield yourself when you see her coming after you and activate Tiger before she stuns you, then tiger-slap her pretty face, stun with bear, and leave her in the spot losing health harder than you.

That's what I would try, her three counters, Morg as a experiment (I still feel far from having a veredict on this matchup), and I would also give Quinn a second try.

@Leyrann: Didn't know you were playing in EUW. It's sad how bad the maintenances are.