Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-11208492-20140109100034/@comment-15244341-20140119165040

Outplaying with Lee is the same as with all high mobility champions. You have dashes which you use to outplay. Zed, as I said, has a harder time doing it by virtue of having a much higher skill floor, but you get the same out of both: damage evasion (shield/ult), two dashes (wardjump/Q and shadow/ult) and an AoE skill with a slow.

See my point? Lee has a low skill floor. His skills are not particularly difficult to use. Zed has a high skill floor. His skills are really hard to use properly to maximize damage, not to speak of outplaying someone with them. However, both offer fairly similar traits that are what lets you outplay someone.

How is different for Lee to time a wardjump out of a Gragas ultimate and for Zed? Well, Zed has it harder. Have they outplayed the Gragas by baiting the ultimate and making sure their cooldowns (or available wards) were up and timing it to evade the skill? Yes, they did. One having an easier time doing it does not mean the Lee Sin player is inherently worse than the Zed player.

Also, skill ceiling referrs to how much a champion's kit lets a player outplay another player by using their skills properly in a skillful manner. Not how hard is to do so. Pro players tend to favor mobility champions simply because they can perform better with them by virtue of mobility being such a strong aspect of the game. I mean, no super pro plays were made by Garen. Garen has a kit as simple as it gets and his mechanics favor trades and healing up, then going in for the kill with ultimate. His skill ceiling hits a certain point when you learn how to use W and at which % of health your ultimate kills. You are limited by his kit in what you can do to, say, duel Elise. That's it about him. Lee, LeBlanc, Zed and Yasuo all have a kit that makes it so that when you have great reflexes, game sense and skill you can most likely nullify a grand part of what your opponent does with just sheer mobility.

Zed was universally picked in LCS and other events because, in the assassin meta, he was not the one with most damage, faster burst or anything like that. It was because his bad matchups were basically rendered to 40-60 or 45-55 against him because he is really safe to pick if you are a good player. Lee Sin is the same. His mobility and % health plus decent base damage and stats makes him a good all rounder. When you add his mobility, he just becomes a really strong pick in the hands of a good player.