Talk:VPBE/@comment-35229418-20150901121659/@comment-26186030-20150905004907

Johnnyboy38, what counterplay is there to Vayne top if you're a mele champion? you get zoned from tons of cs because she will sodomize you if you're in range and then since you can't defeat her early she has all the godl to scale hard into late. Unless you play something like Pantheon or Irelia or maybe Jax with stupidly strong early game all-ins there is nothing you can do because a reasonable Vayne won't let someone without an op dash get close enough to do anything to you. It isn't outplaying someone if you just pick something that counters almost every mele champion, it's walking into lane and right clicking. Outplaying would be maybe dodging a few skillshots with that dash or hitting a Nidalee Spear after using the Bushwack for some temporary sight, but you can't call taking Vayne top lane outplaying at all.