Talk:Fizz/@comment-4116054-20120713142318/@comment-5151680-20120724001903

''fiddle pooping on izz? xD NOWAY ''

you silence him for ranged harrass ok, you fear him and drain a little bit ok he w->qs on top of you your heal is cut and his dot is already ticking down then he follows with e half of your hp gone and the dot is still ticking you heal is gone ´he waits for qw cd, once they are up w-> ignite dead fiddle(pre 6 psot 6 he ults you wqe ignite->fizz even more fed) 

2ndsituation you drain a creep free e for him he then activates w and autoattacks once you try to run he uses q->you took alot of damage he took about none(maybe an e and some creep damage) 

You're thinking about it wrong, which is why you would lose to a fizz as fiddle, and as morgana based on your theorycraft.

Realistically, fiddle can safely push fizz to his own tower (making fizz lose CS) and still stay safe enough away to get to his tower if needed.

If fizz is ranking W or Q first, then beating him is fairly simple.

When fizz tries to harass fiddle with Q-W, then instantly fear with a low ranked fear, then hit him with your E( he can't use his E to dodge because he is feared) and drain fizz while he is silenced.

Fizz won't be able to catch up to fiddle's damage output by the time the silence wears off.

If fizz is ranking his E to farm minions, instead of his W, which will allow him to push the lane about evenly with you, then rank the fear up more instead of the silence.

Right after he uses his E to clear/damage a wave, then silence him, basic attack once, then fear and drain.

Again, fizz won't be able to catch up in damage to you because his E is gone, and his Q-W are too low of a rank to do any serious damage when considering the damage of Drain.

In any case, once you both hit 6, save your ult for ganks or for when he dives you without his ult.

When initiates with his shark into Q-W, use your silence, and then start chanelling your drain before the shark reaches you, fizz will either be forced to waste his E, or to be silenced for the duration of his shark. Once the shark knockup is gone, then fear/drain at will.