Talk:Veigar/@comment-25798210-20150330144649/@comment-25798210-20150410214451

His ult mightn't do as much damage as before but with the more AP your Q and W definetely pay off. Another reason he has greater teamfight presence is Ludens Echo. Before Veigar use to DFG and instakill the selected champion. Now Ludens adds even more AoE damage to his W especially since the item has an AP scaling and veigar can get up to 300damage off that. His late game is so much better now that one W can deal 1500 + 300 (Ludens Echo) and it's all AoE.

Last game I got a double in late game by getting an Annie and a Jinx stunned close together and killed them both with just Q and W. Late game I feel like I use the ult only in emergency or if a target is a very big threat other than that I can kill squishes easily without it. :D