Talk:Veigar/@comment-186.136.187.224-20121114152655

they should reduce the 1,2 seconds delay on his W: Gragas has a 0,9 AP AoE nuke that is faster than veigars, also it reduces attack speed. Yes veigar can get infinite ap, but gragas can stay in lane for ever, buff himself with that W, dash every 6 seconds and knock foes with that R. Chogath has the same ratio with a strong CC, lower cooldown and lower delay, and both chogath and gragas AoE are bigger. Its just subpar IMO.