Talk:Riven/@comment-26177260-20160804152510/@comment-26489540-20160818122934

'Instead they have another damaging ability'

Yeah, thats great and all, but that assumes Riven (or indeed the others) need a full 4 skills of damage to kill you. A 6 slotted Fizz can kill you with R + Q with W on, using his E to simply get close enough. Leblanc can Q R E and murder any squishy, again using her mobility spell to simply get in range. Zed... I havent faced him a lot recently, but from what I remember as a squishy, R Q E and maybe an auto or  a Hydra active is usually enough that the ult will pop you. You can definitly do it without landing the shadows skills.

Riven meanwhile can combo you with her ult on, and just like the others, has enough damage in her kit that her E not dealing damage isnt relevant to how well she deletes squishies. In short, she has enough burst to match them as an assasin, so her not having a 4th damage skill is irrelevant.

' "Highest mobility" Objectively no'

Please explain to me how this is so. The way I see it, Riven has four reasonable range dashes strapped to low cooldows, builds 45% CDR every game without fail and her dashes arent restricted by targeting. Fizz has an enemy targeted dash, and his pole (I believe he does often get  to 40/45% CDR), Leblanc has her W and her R, but sacrifices the ability to use R to mimic her other spells, and R is on a decent cooldown, and the pads, whilst allowing her to blink great ranges, are also complety inflexible as to where you end up (Leblancs CDR is sometimes 40%, but i also see them stop as low as 20% in some games). Zed, has his R and W and ability to switch between those shadows, but duration is limited to a few seconds on both and range is also limited on W, and once again the shadows are inflexible once placed as to where zed ends up.