Talk:Nidalee/@comment-5489694-20130415165545/@comment-3323227-20130421071541

If you want to have a civil discussion then i suggest you stop whining(because calling anything unfun or toxic is whining) and actually present a real argument that actually dissects more than just a single skill. To be quite honest with you Javelin Toss is extremely overrated and all I see is QQ here, Reddit, and LOL forums about it. It is rather annoying to see nothing but endless complaints when the problem isn't the ability but their blatant inability to use their head to come up with a solution to the problem they seem to be having.

The only time something is "toxic" is when it has no counterplay. Javelin Toss has plenty of counterplay. Dodge, MR, distance, proper warding, spells shields, shields, etc

"Unfun" on the other hand is completely relative to the person playing and isn't a problem and Morello or whatever red coined this term was a fool to use it to describe something that has little counter play to no.

So if you want to get on my good side come up with a better argument that doesn't regurgitate the same fallacious rhetoric over and over again.