Talk:Miss Fortune/@comment-16257908-20130910135210/@comment-16257908-20130913115556

Everything you said is more than obvious. Every Miss Fortune player knows that and a little bit more.

First, Q and R are NOT gapclosers. They (can) have a big range but that doesn't make them a gapcloser.

Second, Miss Fortune needs cheap Items? Completely false, she's one of the most expensive Marksman in the game. She needs a decent build to be any good post early game. As you said, Black Cleaver is very good because of the passive, health and CDR, so instead of buying L.W you'll buy B.C, which is more expensive.

She does poke well and actually bursts as well, but I'd call her Bullet Time something like semi-sustained. But again, if you can't get fed or if you don't have enough items, she won't do much besides Black Cleaver procs. She can't "go back to the game" if she gets shutdown, because she doesn't scale that much into late game.

Your next statement is again, false. Q would never do 3/4 of the Marksman or Mage's health. Unless you're level 18 and they are level 6.

Even worse, Black Cleaver has a lot of good things, but it's not very usable if the enemy team is building a lot of armor or your team doesn't have much teamfighting potential.

And yes, Make It Rain is my main concern. I mean, you could even skip it and get it only when you are level 13 (or something like that).

Yes, she has good burst (which is not that noticeble late game), she has CC (the damage is so low and enemies can easily walk out of it), a steroid (let's be honest, evey Marksman needs one), AoE damage is only a strong point if fed. And I could continue...

If you notice, I'm always talking about getting fed. Yes, Miss Fortune can snowball hard and quickly move between lanes but if she's not fed she won't be of much use. A lot of Champions, even when not fed can help the team in a higher degree, like Varus with his Ultimate, Ashe with her Ultimate, Caitlyn with her Ultimate to secure kills and a lot of Champions that synergize with Blade of the Ruined King that deal a ton of damage even without much AD or shut down in lane.

While I do agree with Ninja that there's a problem item-wise, her kit makes her way too half Caster and half Carry. She can't excell at both when late game comes. That's why a simple rework in her E to make Caster Miss Fortune actually viable. That's all I'm asking.