Talk:Garen/@comment-81.51.86.82-20120814102309/@comment-4948122-20120815110743

Garen Q is pretty much the same...a bit worse early but definately better lategame,so buffed.
 * General
 * Base Health Regen reduced to 8.25 from 9.85
 * Health Regen per level reduced to 0.75 from 0.85
 * Base Attack Damage reduced to 56 from 60.1
 * Attack Damage per level increased to 3.5 from 3
 * Perseverance (Passive)
 * Delay increased to 9 seconds from 7 seconds
 * No longer deactivates when damaged by lane minions
 * Now displays the Health Regen gained in the tooltip
 * Decisive Strike
 * Cooldown reduced to 8 seconds at all ranks from 12/11/10/9/8
 * Movement Speed increased to 35% at all ranks from 15/20/25/30/35%
 * Movement Speed duration adjusted to 1.5/2.25/3/3.75/4.5 seconds from 4 at all ranks
 * Base damage increased to 30/55/80/105/130 from 30/45/60/75/90
 * Silence duration reduced to 1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5 seconds from 2.5 at all ranks
 * Now removes slows on activation
 * Can now critically strike again
 * Buff duration reduced to 4.5 seconds from 6
 * Fixed: Garen's next basic attack after Decisive Strike no longer occurs unusually quickly
 * Fixed: Decisive Strike is no longer consumed if Garen fails to finish attacking
 * While performing Decisive Strike, Garen now continues to follow his target if they are moving
 * Courage
 * Changed to passively increase Armor and Magic Resist by 20% rather than 0 to 25 based on kills
 * Damage reduction adjusted to 30% from 20/24/28/32/36%
 * Active now additionally grants 30% Crowd Control Reduction
 * Duration adjusted to 2/3/4/5/6 seconds from 3/3/3/3/3
 * Cooldown adjusted to 24/23/22/21/20 seconds from 30/27/24/21/18
 * Judgment
 * Damage adjusted to 20/45/70/95/120 (+0.7/0.8/0.9/1.0/1.1 total Attack Damage) from 50/90/130/170/210 (+1.4 bonus Attack Damage)
 * Damage dealt to minions increased to 75% from 50%
 * No longer removes slows on activation or reduces the duration of incoming slows while active
 * Ignores unit collision during Judgment but takes a 20% Movement Speed penalty when spinning through minions
 * Fixed: Judgment no longer locks out Garen from taking other actions longer than intended
 * Demacian Justice
 * Cooldown adjusted to 160/120/80 seconds from 140/120/100

W was definately buffed,6 second 30% damage reduction lategame is ridiculous,you need only 200 armor/mr and then only hp to to be unbetable.

E from what i heard crits for all the damage including base damage,so its really nice,though the 20% slow when hiting minions is kinda bs,but you have to take something from it otherwise would be too good.

Ult is better lategame.Passive is awesome now,i think its still affected by cdr,anyway its still awesome as it isnt canceled by minions now making you better at harassin.

COnclusion:You lose a bit of ms duration,silence and a longer cd on ult and on passive early at the price of a significantly better lategame,also with a bit of tanky items and IE+atma will give you enough damage to kill everything.So overall i think they nailed it with the garen rework just like with the xin one. Poor kat didnt had the same fate