Talk:Udyr/@comment-189.68.180.73-20130315081714/@comment-5256197-20130318153025

I do think they should relief his early-mid game manaproblems somewhat.

I tried to go back to him after all these other puncher bruisers I love playing (Shyvana, Vi) but just couldn't do anything, trade in lane or gank. I feel that I should just farm the jungle and poke my head out first time at 20 minutes.

I think his passive isn't really that big of a deal considering he has no other tricks on him. Jax can get more attack speed with three attacks and his ultimate gives way more durability.

Manaless would be good too, but then they need to give his shield Jarvan treatment, so that you cannot block every poke at the lane made against you, but still would be strong in team fights.

Just SOMETHING needs to be done with him to bring him up to the par.