Talk:Renekton/@comment-5.83.71.124-20121027000534/@comment-5009341-20121028102222

^zilean passive is meh indeed, but janna and tf?.. really?

janna gives the amount of 2 msquints to the entire team, this is worth 4k ip and 2 quint slots, not to mention that getting away and chasing is way easier with janna on ur team

TF really... i think is passive is way to stong in this farm the fuck out of the lane meta, after 10 minutes the mid, top and botlane have 100cs and the jungler has slain 30 jungle monsters, this means ur entire team has gained 660 bonus gold by just ur presence (thats why i like to play tf as a support)

now to rene:

renes entire kit was nerfed to shit just because pro renes would dominate EVERY other champion

why?

his fury gain during lane was too high,

thats why riot nerfed it by half, but he still was able to dominate easily with the right moves, so they nerfed the rest of his kit to compensate his lanedominanace

so, whats the problem?

rene was as strong in lane as he was weak in TFs, where he couldnt get enough fury, but due to the series of nerfs his lategame was basicly NONexistent, if he couldnt get his fury up

so rene went from OP to shit in ONE HOTFIX

what would solve the problem?

lets see, rene could gain in lane so much fury, cause he would gain a lot of fury from AAing minions

but on the other hand he would not gain enough fury during TFs, cause there were no minions to AA and the fury he gained from AAing champions was horrible

in other words: if rene gains less fury from attacking minions, but more fury from attacking champions, he wouldnt be so strong in lane AND he wouldnt suck so much in TFs

SUGGESTION:

rene gains 2 fury from attacking minions and 8 fury from attacking champions