Talk:Vi/@comment-26433263-20150803234855/@comment-9705522-20150817232629

Well, Kurai, there is a simple case when discussing Vi. This is due to Riots personal statements of the values in their design. The first and most important one, that they hammered in endlessly and changed, if not downright gutted champions for (poor Urgot and Evelynn)? Counterplay. It is their number 1 value, and they made sure that you got it. And yet, the worst offender of them all, the one who objectively has less counterplay than evelynn or Urgot had, Vi, is completely untouched.

Its objective that her ult has 0 counterplay. And Riot tried to prevent that from happening. Thats fine, its their game, they can do it. But when you do that, and occasionally even destroy champions in your crusade to bring counterplay, be consistent. Dont destroy champions who were a mild nuisance while leaving the champion that is so bad it got people who mained a role since beta to completely abandon it (I miss my ADC days) intact.

Vis ult needs to be changed. No ifs and buts. Sadly, Riot has, for some reason (presumably bias considering some of the most prominent Rioters, although it could also be the high likelyhood of backlash when they do change it, as we saw with Lee Sin) hasnt done so yet. I know its just a matter of time, and that the change will be inevitable.

But its taking far too long, and I fear Vis popularity, and the refusal of most of its player to accept her ults terrible design (I say most as I have met quite a few Vi players who are aware of how terrible Vis design is) is likely the culprit behind that delay. And thats not good. You cant jeopardize the fun of the majority of players for a small minority of Vi players.