Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-4499945-20130212050545/@comment-15562896-20130212223233

Even just a madred works fine, Elder Lizard is actually fun and pretty good imo, but you can't upgrade it as fast.

I would not upgrade Madreds into Wriggles, though. 950 g for some very weak AD and some almost unnoticeable lifesteal ? Kindlegem (850g), Brutalizer (1337) and Giants' Belt (1000) are more interesting imo.