Talk:Kindred/@comment-620927-20150927193538/@comment-26837195-20151005123856

You get 100 more HP from disengage, you get a 100 more HP from staying too long under tower to destroy it, and you get to do it again for 40 seconds less, vs +180 total damage on Q in level 16. Keep in mind that at the times when you can level your ult, your main damage should be from your passive.