Talk:Elise/@comment-5224716-20150124205925/@comment-15244341-20150202221754

The thing is, since Lee is a melee champion and MR (I'm actually serious, I do use flat MR on early game junglers sometimes) or MR/Level are pretty common in rune pages for melees, Lee should have a pretty decent MR rating when he finds Elise (level 3, most likely). Plus, on the sustain thing, Lee only takes noticeable damage from his first clear. He has more than enough sustain after that. And most of the time junglers wont gank before getting chilling smite, so at level 3 both Lee and Elise will back and probably won't find each other before that buy.

The big if is who jumps who, probably. Before Lee's E nerfs I would have given it to Lee pretty much 100%. I can see Elise shredding Lee's HP with spiderlings during Skittering Frenzy. That said, nothing stops Lee from ward jumping away from Elise and kiting until the AS buff wears off (higher movespeed on Lee even if Elise is spider form plus potentialy Cripple). At that point I'm pretty sure Lee destroys Elise straight up. She, of course, can Rappel to Lee, but that's a full second wasted on the jump (assuming Elise has perfect reaction time) which is a third of SF's duration. Also, smiting Spiderlings severely cuts Elise's damage output, so even if that's a "what if" situation, it should be taken into consideration.

I'm not theorycrafting either. I play Elise too, and I never find myself thinking "I can kill Lee Sin 1v1" at any point in the game. Maybe I'll try next game I find him (not that hard, TBH) alone (harder =P). I occasionaly play Lee (not great at him, but he is fun to play) and I'm pretty sure there is not many junglers that have Lee's damage output or can out dps him in a 1v1 with no items. His execute is really insane.

Finally, Lee has 49HP more than Elise at level 3 (no runes and masteries) and 40 extra HP on his shield for damage mitigation. So he is 89 HP up on Elise just at level 3 using shield. That, IMO, is not "a bit tankier". Lee is pretty darn tanky at low levels. His base stats are damn good.