Talk:Veigar/@comment-4167645-20150301033537/@comment-25493113-20150301223015

I think the problem is that he is very UNRELIABLE now. Even if you land your stun, it's so hard to get your rotation because of Q now being a skillshot that can be blocked by anything.

Q now has become like a lux binding and it's ridiculous to do that to someone like veigar IMO. But anyways, that's the problem I've seen with veigar other than the stun delay being too long. The delay isn't what's getting veigar down, it's the Skillshot Q thing. Sure it's more useful now since you can farm 2 minions at once or hit two people at once (Which I agree is very good in laning phase, farming lategame). However, you lose a LOT just for getting the option to hit 2 people. I can't count how much times I've stunned the adc or apc and still can't even touch them because my Q is impossible to hit through due to tanks or minions.

The only thing that I think that would fix this is giving veigar the Urgot treatment and that would be something like

"Casting Q on a stunned target by Event Horizon will cause Q to follow the champion; being able to hit one enemy unit while traveling". This would give him his reliability back but idk if it would be too op. I mean, it would be the same as old Q, but conditioned.