Talk:Vayne/@comment-26001789-20150916033933/@comment-26001789-20150917085739

The issue of Fiora was FAR longer than "getting good winratios in SoloQ". I'm not going into detail as to why I think Old Fiora was one of the most terrible characters ever in this game, because this is not Fiora's page or anything, but I will say that, even in her overpowered state right now, Current Fiora is much more easier to balance and tune-up than Old Fiora could even hope to be.

Now as for reliable ADCs go, yeah, Vayne is pretty much the definition of "reliable" damage, since everything she does to damage enemies in a fight will do tremendous ammount of damage. The problem is that in SoloQ, she seems too strong because there is little coordination in teams to identify targets and lock them up. Vayne has all of her damage tied to her autoattack range and has no outside way to deal damage if she is zoned away, meaning that shrapnel from AoEs and Poke will definetly make her think twice about entering a fight if she intends to do so, even with her puny stealth.

There is some "overcompensation" in her kit like how much AD she gains in Final Hour or how little mana she burns through, but really, that's about what you can do to nerf her if Riot decides to nerf her. Back a while, she wasn't even considered. She either was blown up because assassins or because bully marksman like Lucian or Graves where around, as well as Kalista who used to counter her(not anymore). Maybe is just a meta shift? Remember Graves wasn't like super nerfed and he dissapeared once Tank Meta erupted.

Finally, I'm not sure if it's a trend or not but I'm seeing quite a rise in Lucian and Ashe and I'm sure people will start picking up Twitch. The only other ADC I see apart from those you mentioned and Vayne is Corki. Does Mordekaiser count as an ADC too? He can play there too as a botlaner.