Talk:Talon/@comment-25427841-20140916155642/@comment-24036535-20140920175407

-Talon has no kill potential against a decent laner pre six unless he gets a massive advantage via jungle gank/invasion.

-Without Talon's silence, its fairly easy to heal/flash out of his damage, especially with a support with peeling power. Running away generally depends on who your champion is, and when Talon used his ultimate. And if you get a chance, and Zhonya will usually save your life.

-I think its very easy to keep Talon's silence, maybe tune it down a bit, removing it makes him very weak, and require a rework of his own anyways. As I said before, changing his Q in a way, or increasing cast times on his W and ult could allow the target time to operate outside of Talon's silence before he kills them.

-Citing problems with engaging is a team is the entire reason champions like Nasus and Udyr are balanced, since they both have extreme issues when engaging (Can't get to carry without being kited to death). Talon's is more of his inability to gapclose without his current E's range.

-Talon is one of the, if not the least mobile assassin. A single target enemy-only blink and his ult are the only forms of mobility he has, and neither is as useful as most other assassin's mobility. Do note this is when Talon is compared to other assassins.

-On a final note, I do understand that its my own problem I have issues being too faceroll-y when comboing a target as Talon, but that is also my exact reasoning behind a possible Q change, making Talon's combo slower. I often never get my Q off, and thus the target lives, that's mostly me I've noticed too, but, chaging Talon's Q into an ability with a cast time could solve all of his issues with being OP. As I said earlier, it means his target has time to react before Talon kills them, but after his silence has run out.