Talk:Graves/@comment-62.107.132.38-20120428140527/@comment-98.93.6.85-20120429041512

How? Completely different kit...instant cast short range, wide cone Versus Long range, lessened damage and delayed Q...Then W for vision-screwing and amazing AOE slow late game (40%!) versus single target trap that has a delay, completely different utility uses. One E is instant and gives attack speed which scales with itself, which is amazing for continuous kiting, compared to single use, High cs slowing momentarily channled slowing net....what? The same? What? Also, graves for High AOE damage with ult, which can rarely be used to kind of snipe nearby fog of war or a bit in the lane..compared to vision revealing blockable single target long range ult? WHAT? SAME? Also, Caitlyn has the highest base range on the champion for any AD carry except for tristana around level 13 or so...while Graves is basically the lowest ranged currently used AD carry who's designed tog et in there, use his spells and Attack speed steroid, with a passive that makes him tougher, while caitlyn has a bit of damage scaling with her passive...

Besides some conceptual design (both use guns, but one is a rifle and one is a shotgun anyway...which is a huge difference) and an E that makes them both move, and a skillshot Q that does some kind of AOE damage? They aren't anything near each other because of how different they are. Everything from their bases to their actual play (because of range and kit) couldn't be any more apart. Caitlyn is more like Ashe than she is graves..no real steroid and long range kiting to the max..and even then, it's very very different. Stay off the generalizations, you're bad at them.