Talk:LeBlanc/@comment-24208685-20140217032056/@comment-24090792-20140217130137

NeonSpotlight : "without anything given back"

idk dude but lets have a look at what she have already :

1 - all of her skills including her passive and R have low CDs

2 - all of her skills except Q ( compensated for by being targeted, having a fixed 6 sec CD, low mana cost and having the highest total base damage of all triggered normal skills at all its levels - infact, it maybe the highest of all normal skills triggered or not as i cant think of anything that surpasses it except malzahars W but the difference is just 10 points ) do at least 2 or even more things beside damage ( W can be used as an AoE damager, gap closer and as an escape/juking tool espicially if the return pad is not visible to the enemy.  E can both slow and root the enemy as well as tracking him if he went out of sight in a bush or flashed behind a wall thanks to its long leash range. her passive, in addition of being an escape tool, can be used offensivly because 40% is high enough for the clone to tank some skillshots for you or your teammates and high enough for you to benefit from that and get some kills )

3 - her R being a separate spell unlike Karmas R gives her too much potintial ( first, it can allow an easy way of engaging multiple enemies and dealing heavy damage by means of using W twice becuase of the high base damage and ratios or, since your normal combo without R and with DFG is more than enough to kill a non-tanking enemy, you can have an extra E to pin down one enemy while you murder his friend in front of him than flash to your pad away from him. second, it can allow a no-counterplay kill with Q followed by R than the rest of your skills for 3 sec silence and 1.5 root OR to setup a tanky enemy for being killed by E followed by R than the rest of your combo for 3 sec root and 1.5 silence ).

conclusion : i think she already have too much in her kit and damage but i think the best way to balance her is to make her R enhance but use her normal skills CD just like karmas R OR take out either the silence or slow/snare from her as she have great mobility and juking power + reduce the minimum health on her passive but all of those are my opinions only.

UH need some grog :P