Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-76.2.109.131-20120812182400/@comment-3477331-20120813124035

philo + hog gives you gold, so if you can't get ganks working and/or get counterjungled, you will still have a bit of gold to live with. If you go with dorans you have to get kills through ganking. Else you will fall to far behind to initiate mid game teamfightes.