Talk:Nocturne/@comment-37.110.90.163-20121214153022/@comment-178.166.24.118-20121217021118

First of all, those champions you mention (Yi, Trynd, Sion, GP, Fiora) are BAD jungle picks and either they get fed early game or essentially become useless and turn the game into a 4 vs 5. They are tier 3 and tier 4 champions while Nocturne is a tier 1 champion. His ganks are phenomenal (unlike melee carries, who can only get low CC like slows with abilities or red buff) and he can build tanky and deal tons of damage. If you're looking for melee champions with AD scalings I guess you have Rengar/Kha'zix as good options. They are not exactly bruisers but they have a can build tanky damage items and stay relevant all game. And God forbid they get a head start and begin to snowball...