Talk:Riven/@comment-141.84.69.20-20130122115306/@comment-2124153-20130122224504

Riven will probably lose to an ADC with a full build, as mentioned, supposing that said carry has a survival item (important) and went for IE/PD/BT/LW facewreck mode. There's a chance for Riven if she can start the engage at point blank range, but generally if the carry can get a shot off first and survive the burst/CC rotation, Riven is probably dead, especially if Summoners are up (Flash can create the spacing that they need to beat you).

And if it's a hypercarry like Vayne, just forget it.