Talk:Zilean/@comment-26151788-20150227142248/@comment-25538853-20150227194405

>300 (+80% AP) every 3 seconds is a support's damage level?

Good question!

Nami's 3 basic abilities do a combined 780 (+140% AP) damage, on a 6 second cooldown with max cdr.

780 / 6 = 130 (+23% AP) dps

At max cdr, Zilean's bombs have a 5s cooldown and rewind is 4s. He can go QWQ...WQ, but then he's wasting a W cooldown to only shave 1s off his Q. So his optimal sustained dps is QWQ....QWQ, and so on. In other words, 2 bombs every 4 seconds, so it's actually 300 (+80% AP) every 2 seconds, not every 3.

300 / 2 = 150 (+40% AP) dps

So Zilean does about 20 more base dps and also has almost twice the scaling. However, these numbers are slightly misleading because neither champ can reliably spam their spells the second they come off cooldown while positioning during a teamfight.

Now if we want to add Syndra to the comparison, just for fun, it's a little bit tricker because all 3 of her basic spells have different cooldowns. I learned in middle school that you can't accurately average an average, but instead you want to do a weighted average. So here we go, with 25% cdr:

264.5 / (4*.75) + 240 / (8*.75) + 250 / (12*.75) = 156

69 / (4*.75) + 70 / (8*.75) + 40 / (12*.75) = 39

For a total of 156 (+39% AP) dps. So he's actually kinda close to Syndra-level with his one spell, although he doesn't have that ult, and his AoE isn't as big, and if Syndra gets blue buff she jumps to 180 (+45% AP) dps. But come on, he's still a support! I guess it's also important to point out that although Nami's damage doesn't scale as much from AP, her speed, slow, and healing all scale from AP as well so it's only fair.