Talk:Zac/@comment-50.134.134.143-20130318030540/@comment-69.141.8.150-20130319223642

"^you don't really need madreds anyway."

I'd agree 100%. I don't get it on Mundo or Zed and I don't plan on getting it on Zac.

"spirit stone is just fine on some champs, and if you think the mana is wasted, you can simply leave the machete in your inventory for faster clears, and buy something else." "

The problem with this is that items that gather dust in you slots are giant wastes of early gold.

"and please don't use cloth + 5 pots, it's useless in the current meta, because it adds little survability compared to the faster clear of the machete (faster clear = less damage taken from that camp)."

On most junglers it is, but Machete for Mundo sets back his gold by so much. He can turn cloth into tabi or emblem of valor, both are good early items. It's a far better use of gold than buying an item that simply goes nowhere while your opponent gets madreds or spirit stone.