Talk:Zyra/@comment-4664737-20180824022215/@comment-26808509-20180903142732

Nah there were multiple reasons they remobed it. Reason number one was that back then a lot of people hated it because you had to die to use it. Reason number two was that it allready was a nerfed version. Zyras passive used to deal more damage, had a bigger hitbox, traveled faster and had less of a delay. Reason three was tjat they wanted Zyra to be more plant focused and since they wanted her to stay as simple as possible, they didn't change her W but decided to rework her passive instead.

I mean, I can see where they were coming from. Zyra was supposed to be a plant based mage and they wantes her to do more with them and not occasionally spawn two of them in her burst combo. Now she can permanently spawn them. BUT riot made a huge mistake wizh HOW they did it. And I'm not necessarily talking avout the randomness of her passive, tho it's quite annoying. The problem is that they didn't make a decision.

They didn't decide what they want Zyra to be. Is she supposed to be a burst mage who uses her plants only to complement her burst? Well, that's what Zyra was before the rework. The new passive of hers implies that she is DPS based and uses her plants to deal her damage and her spells only for spawning and keeping them in range. Problem with that is that her burst is still high. That's why Zyra was so oppressive after the mage update, she had the DPS AND the burst. And instead of going for the DPS/ zone control version, they nerfed her plants into the ground. What's left now is a cheap, bad scaling burst mage with a ton of delays and her plants are nothing but a gimmick because they die before they can deal serious damage.

The only reason she still is good on botlane is that they buffed her E two times and this burst mage playstyle simply works out down there. It's hard to punish her on botlane. Makes me sad how riot just keeps crippeling her midlane and zone mage abilities.