Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-8506165-20140118220449

I think I've finally figured out my opinion on Lee Sin and why I dislike him so much. It's not that he's OP per se (although I feel his kit is problematic, has bad design elements and tends towards "too strong", he's not freewin). It's that when he's in the jungle, the specific combination of skills that he has creates a sort of "perfect storm" which leads to a guy who clears faster than you, ganks just as well as you and can outduel you if he decides he's going to wander 'round your jungle awhile and take your stuff. Thus making him OP as a jungler, if that makes sense?

Seriously. Teamcomp? Fits in most - he can run the gamut from tank to assassin even if his best area is somewhere inbetween. Clear speed? Good. Ganks? Good. Damage? Good. CC? Good. Sustain? Good. Duelling potential in jungle? Almost unrivalled. There's never really a good reason to not pick Lee Sin - the only argument you can make is "perhaps another jungler could work a bit better with this team specifically".

So as a jungle main... I think he's OP. Because when I face him on top lane I find him far less scary. His mobility is still irritating (and another reason why as a jungle main I'm not gonna like him much because he's hard to gank) but he's not, say... .

Thoughts? I don't think I've expressed anything too contentious here - I think most people would agree with my appraisal of his strengths in traits junglers like, but most seem to think he's not flat out OP as a champ.