Talk:Orianna/@comment-88.130.130.185-20120818102240/@comment-91.152.244.124-20120818190652

You do realize that Orianna's ultimate is one of the best initiation tools that can be put on your team's other initiator (say, Malphite) resulting in really powerful initiation and easily giving your team a won team battle. Gragas ultimate can be used for good burst and scattering enemy team just like Janna can.

Orianna's ultimate just doesn't need more damage because it gives much more utility than Gragas' ultimate does.