Talk:Udyr/@comment-24241164-20141012174715/@comment-15244341-20141024090317

How to lose as Udyr: enemy team has peel and top Ryze or any strong 1v1 top laner. Congratulations, Udyr is now as useless as a Garen.

Skarner also has basically the same amount of damage midgame as Udyr with the super expensive build while being actually useful for something other than splitpushing late game.

Let's not delude ourselves, madstone is good but you can't pull it against a team whose support isn't dumb in teamfights. Janna, Lulu, Thresh, Braum, Karma, Zyra and Nami bone him really hard because the only way he can do any damage is walking up to someone to hit them. Also, double exhaust is more common than it ever was right now, and any exhaust Udyr gets is normally enough to make him completely useless.

Madstone Udyr relies way too hard on your lanes not feeding and the enemy top lane being bad at 1v1 so that you can splitpush as you see fit. At that point you are playing like a top Nasus in jungle while scaling worse than Nasus does. My games against madstone Udyr normally go like this: ward dragon, kill udyr as he tries to solo dragon with his flare at about 10 minutes. Next, proceed to outscale Udyr and force fights against his team 5v4 and then the top laner TPs to protect a lane while Udyr flails around doing nothing useful because he can't even hold against a push or 1v1 Ryze, Jax, Shyvana, Mao...

Unless you screw hard your teamcomp, FF+Triforce+more expensive crap on Udyr just means you are asking to get kited and killed while giving almost no map pressure earlygame.