Talk:Ryze/@comment-24496127-20151101060816

Ok, how do you deal with this champion. I just can't find any possible way to beat hm short of three man ganks. Sometimes I can kill him early, then he tp's back and I can't even touch him. I've gone against him as Darius, Maokai, Gnar, and Riven, and it always just ends up with him 100-0 bursting me the second he gets a tear. As Maokai he did it through my early specters cowl AND I got first blood on him, as darius, through a hexdrinker, and I could never even touch him with his kiting, and as Gnar just outright under my own tower. If I went mega on him he just bursted me still.

I've also tried fighting him the second his passive goes down, but since it has no inherent cd it seems to just come up again mid fight, which lets him turn it on me, or he'll just back off slightly in the first place. Winning early when he actually has mana issues is barely valid, because it just means he teleports back. Maybe it's more a problem with TP, but I can't find any period to shut him down. Unfair is how I'd describe how it feels, because I don't even get a chance to fight.

I can understand a champion being strong early and eventually falling off...which Ryze kind of does, but if that strength early is so insane you can't even consider fighting him then I just think there's a problem.