Talk:Shyvana/@comment-109.121.33.117-20121122230051/@comment-5.83.71.124-20121123050850

@216.58.9.28: I actually mentioned the active. Still cost-related shit. Just a lot of things messed up together to make you believe that the item is worth. But hey, opinions man. However, let me advice you: If I were you I would be testing things by yourself instead of going around with pro's word like if it is written on stone.

@Ratsedai: You want math? Ok. As I stated before (Same runes and masteries, no AD first item, against Lizard Elder's 20 armor):

+7 AD lv1 Shyvana: 68*(100/(100+((20/100)*(100-10)))= 68*(100/(100+(0.2*90)))= 68*(100/(100+18))= 68*(100/118)= 68*0.847457621184406779661016949153= 57~58

+10 ArPen lv1 Shyvana: 61*(100/(100+(((20-10)/100)*(100-10)))= 61*(100/(100+((10/100)*90)= 61*(100/(100+(0.1*90))= 61*(100/(100+9))= 61*(100/109)= 61*9174311926605504587155963302753= 55~56

Not as high as the build calc stated, but still going AD does higher damage than going ArPen, plus the +1.4 damage to Burnout. Next time be a bit more polite, it's not going to kill you, and don't make me lose my time calculating things for you. You can check the damage formula for in case that I'm mistaken.

Now, if we were talking about tankier targets like characters (Which tend to begin the game with around 30 armor), that would be another subject. Yes, ArPen goes better for damaging players, AD goes better for damaging minions and monsters.