Talk:Graves/@comment-178.26.87.91-20111025041515/@comment-4165869-20111025054905

I can think of a few things. Lets start with his Q. To compair Buckshot to volley isn't the best comparison imo; it would be better to compair it to something like Piltover Peacemaker instead. Both are skill shots that ignore minions standing in front of them to do damage. Caitlyn's Q also has a 1.3 total AD scaling rate, where Graves has a 0.8 bonus AD scaling right. Granted he can get more damage off by shooting a point blank Q off in someone's face, but doing so means that your close enough to take damage from -any- champion in the game pretty much.

Lets talk about his W next. Again we have kind of questionable skill to compair smokescreen to. Your taking Graves only form of (rather mediocre) soft cc and comparing it to Corki's only really "nuke" until he unlocks his ultimate. The vision distruptions is rather situational at best; your firing and hoping that whoever you hit doesn't simply walk out of your 15% slow (pre level 14), or if they DO stay in there for whatever reason either don't have any skill shots, or no one attacks them while inside. And if you somehow manage to get the enemy carry in there, odds are you or your team mates will be attacking said carry, so the vision hindered goes to waste.

I really, REALLY fail to see how you can compair something like Collateral Damage to Buster Shot. Their not similar in the slightest, other then having a default key binding to R. Buster Shot is a single target skill designed to disrupt and displace one key target; be it knocking away a ganker, or knocking a target back to your team. Collateral Damage, on the other hand, was designed to do AoE damage in a team fight; he fires it and hopes to soften up the enemy team, or if he's really lucky snipe a kill. Base damage wise, if your caught in the after explosion cone, you've essentially been hit by 1 and a half corki missiles, or 1 "big one."

I'm not saying Graves' is perfect, but it seems like everyone is making him out to be like the old Jax who could dodge tower shots.