Talk:Graves/@comment-5.19.255.48-20121117085817/@comment-187.123.42.99-20121124200130

"low mana high manacosts" - high burst damge with excelent utility (smoke screen)

"low range" - extremely tanky for an ADC

"his escape and steriod on the same skill means if he keeps it for defence then he will be doing low dmg and vise versa" - his smoke screen also helps his scapes, and his quickdraw lowers its CD with auto attacks

"corki/ez/caitlyn they dont have to use their escapes for damage therefore they are better" - only corky can compare with graves on early game damage, and when a Diana or a Tallon jumps in your face, a arcane shift, a 90 caliber net and a valkyrie will hardly save your ass as much as tankness will.