Talk:Swain/@comment-24086627-20131208230535/@comment-4875928-20131213022901

Akumaryukendan dont know from where you took the "nor does he scale extremely well into late game like ryze..." when he can solo full build ryza without a problem (even when ignited) Swain just out sustains him.

His late game dmg with his typical build (no athenes or such items) is bigger on single person then Ryze's (lower in AoE without Liandrys), his full build base tankyness is almost the same as Ryze's full build (check mokulu's builder - its max 1k effective hp not couting in swains heal).

The problem is most ppl dont know how to engage and go in first line with him. When he doesnt get ignited then he easly out tanks Ryze ect, when he gets ignited then he has similar tankyness but he just feels weaker (while his dmg is more single person oriented), and If you have zhonya you are way more durable then Ryze.

Another problem why ppl think he is weaker is because he needs to land his full combo to deal the dmg, he doesnt reduce MR for his allie's (he is selfish), and he hasnt got the almsot infinite mana like Ryze. The problem is that Swain always draws every ignite on him (since enemies ignite him on sight in teamfights) while ppl tend to ignite other squishies when facing Ryze since he doesnt rely on healing. Swain is a mid game monster and one of the strongest late game AP champs in game (even pro's stated that) the thing is, he is to single target oriented (actually he has top 5 AP carrys single target DPS in game when used typical AP carry's build - there was a theorycraft about it), he has to low mobility (ryze with ult has bigger) and unfortunetly exhaust and ignite hurt Swain more (that's also the reason while ppl think he is weaker) and he cant dish out his full potential if he is 1 vs 1 (and there are no additional 2 targets to hit with his ult).

Side note:

As you can see now that ryze doesnt have Swains range on all his point click spells (what was actually a little to much, considering that you can walk out of Swains Q,W) he isnt considered fo strong (and such an late game hyper carry), since he has to go close like Swain does.

No with the ignite no longer being amplifide by his E will actually make ppl pick cleance or maybe teleport wonder how will it come out.