Talk:Vayne/@comment-173.27.66.90-20110715002306/@comment-3238314-20110722154835

So a few things that need to be tackled here:

"a champion's ability to be killed has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they are OP."

- Wrong. Assassins would be pretty much op if they were hard to kill.

"stun and focus will end her, just like...hmm...any other champion in the game."

-Except anyone that has built hp and some resistances. In that case, they WANT you to waste your CC and focus them

"She has a knockback (on a ranged champion? great idea, not imba at all) which makes getting close to her impossible if she knows what she's doing (sorry Udyr) and a stealth that also repositions her AND greatly enhances the damage of her next attack."

- Ashe has infinite AOE and single target slow, and a stun with AoE slow. Corki has an AoE miss chance, and AoE armor shredding. Ezreal decreases your attack speed AoE while gradually building up his. Vayne has a single target knockback. It's basically a single target that requires good positioning to be actually effective. I don't see why it's such a problem

Also, she can stealth only during her ultimate. It's useful to drop some attention from you, or to initiate in secrecy

- Basically, her real problem was the burst. It's been properly dealth with a couple of patches ago.

Also, let her % true damage go, Kog'maw outdamages that even if the team's magic resist heavy, and it's not that op on him either.

"...she is simple superior to everything around... "

-Wrong! Ashe and Corki do way better damage and have greater utility. They have to be nerfed down to Vayne's level, not the other way around. For starters, Corki can make an entire team miss some of their auto attacks, and shred arrmor off his enemies, effectively increasing the damage of his whole team. Ashe can slow with her auto attack, and apply aoe slow, and she has a built'in clairvoyance. Late game she crits you before you can even reach her, and if you do, she can stun you and finish critting you to death. Not to mention that both ashe and corki have long range pokes that can damage the enemy team before the team fight even starts. Ashe and Corki also farm ALOT better