Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-4915200-20130817035212/@comment-10590654-20130820154912

-Here i shall be talking skill ceiling, not basic skill to play the champ, of course lee can work with no skill but to make him broken you need to be insec or shakedrizzle for example.

Can we have a few names of other champs with decision making like lee? Seriously he has(can if you want) to do all this skill shot decision stuff in one champ, and as insetick said, it depends also on the build, squishy means no assassination because of tank blocking shots and tanky means i rely on my team and do no dmg.

Also, it's Obvious that alone all these conditions you talk of like an easy skillshot or press w and ward at same time are remotely easy although they do need practice, but multitasking and combining everything is the hardest thing( please do an insec kick during a teamfight or kick a guy through a wall into your teammate's cc).

The are barely any champs i guess i can argue are as hard but otherwise I am absolutely not sure who else is as hard in general, and i'm talking mechanics not weak champs. Don't say something like rengar is hard cuz he up overnefed report roit or Riven because she is not really into the meta and hell not tryn because he gets countered, i am talking ori must place ball well to crush stuff or syndra. To compare to lee we have shaco too who has similar problems to lee late but who has more broken ganks i guess and can outplay more.

TLDR: Well i may be exagerating slightly, he may be not hard to begin with but to become op with him it's hard. Not high skill(aka just hit q e the enemy kill them or walk to lane kick guy to teammate coming out of tribush), high skill cap/ceiling.