Talk:Maokai/@comment-89.164.173.209-20120823224327/@comment-69.141.8.150-20120927062855

"and his initiation is amazing"

Bullshit. Leona, Nautilus, Rammus, Amu, Malphite, Chogath, Ali, Skarner, etc all initiate better. Even more damage-centric champions like Rumble and Gragas have far more effective initiates.

His only hard CC, a short-ranged, single target snare, cools down in 13 seconds. That's hardly quick.

He has a good kit for ganking, but relies on his team mates for proper initiating.