Talk:Riven/@comment-4834593-20131228142718/@comment-7434112-20140111074150

Meh, everybody makes mistakes. It's all about how you learn from it and better yourself.

The ~2 secs was for the whole combo in general, not a part of it >_>. Taking the time to cast a spell and save herself is probably worth it for the Karma, as well as being able to damage Riven. If she uses the snare at that range, Riven must either use the remaining stacks of Q to GTFO or go in and get snared (and going in doesn't mean that she'll be able to burst Karma down from 90-0). If Karma uses her shield/speed-up she can make distance as well as juke some of her Q's if the Riven pursues.

As a final note, "Karma comes within Karma's AA range". I lol'ed a bit at that.