Talk:Kindred/@comment-16064126-20151011021743/@comment-4368884-20151011171610

> How can you say all these things about the champ that hasn't come out yet?

Because she's already out on PBE unless there's going to be a drastic change and further delay (so here's to hoping!). That's why I can say all those things about her. Never played Dota but I'm not expecting a pet thats equivalent to a champion. But okay, yeah, it might be too complicated. I get that. Still, my wishful thinking from seeing things like shaco clone and such. And Riot is actually coming up with new ideas. So I'm not gonna ignore the possibility.

At least Quinn has the ability to let you play as Valor. The wolf is basically all passive play. Activate skill to use to target. Let wolf do it's work based who you auto. Woohoo. Such big interaction. You're really just controlling lamb. Wolf just so happens to "exist" and be a pet. He shouldn't even BE a pet. That's where I'm getting that. The two should be side by side (not physically but contribution-wise.. I really want to see wolf used more. It's so passive). Mind you, I'm not saying he's ignorable or ignored. Just lackluster in feeling of use and existence.

> " They didn't make Kindred in the idea that the Marksman jungle didn't exist."

I also did not say this. In fact, I acknowledged that they do exist. Just not top-tier.

Was quinn/vayne even originally designed with the intention of sending them top? Just curious; nothing to do with topic.

Meh, there's a difference between the concept of a champion and how unrelated and bashed up the kit is on the champion. I feel no different from reading your response. But I see what you're trying to say.