Thread:NeonSpotlight/@comment-4698489-20150813050322/@comment-1330314-20150813174618

Phoenix169 wrote: What gives you alone the right to decide and enforce these standards?

I did not decide on these standards alone. I worked on the articles for several recent champion releases/reworks alongside many other users, and the standards I applied to the other articles emerged naturally and consistently from there as we worked together.

Phoenix169 wrote: I'm all for standardization and consistency, but big changes like the one involving adding FlipText everywhere should not have happened to begin with without discussion.

It's funny you mention that, because the widespread usage of FlipText also arose naturally, and almost completely without my input. Emptylord and I designed the template together, but originally its only intended purpose was to compress pp18 lists for non-linear scalings, which took a ton of space and were fairly unsightly. Almost immediately after that happened, however, users added it to the and  articles on ability scalings, and it extended to all the cases that are covered now on the new champion articles, again without my sole input. Despite complaints from a loud minority, the template has been adopted by the wiki and its community in a manner that is completely organic.

Phoenix169 wrote: I don't understand how you can accuse me of ignoring discussion when I've both made a forum thread and directly messaged relevant editors to gather opinions and create discussion.

You've messaged only two, and this particular message is simply a request to strong-arm the discussion in your favor. Your discussion is anything but, and you've been far too quick to bypass those who supported you and place yourself in a position of false authority. You're clearly not making an effort to create an open, reasoned discussion on this subject, and it looks very much like you're actually trying to avoid it.

Phoenix169 wrote: You, on the other hand, made all those changes by yourself and continue to defend them by yourself. Furthermore, rather than acknowledge the points I've made, you continue to make all kinds of accusations against my character.

Again, the only reason I am alone in enforcing these rules is because nobody else has made the effort in years to do so on champion articles, but the fact that I am protecting standards that arose naturally means I very likely have more support on this than you do, if you were to dig deep enough (maybe that's why you want to avoid discussion?). You have also made a point to belittle me and my work, and have clearly shown less-than-honorable motives throughout your recent behavior.

Phoenix169 wrote: Even now you claim that I don't have a standard for fixing the FlipText issue when I've already explained it in length. Keeping it simple here, my standard is that FlipText should not hide any information that cannot be calculated from the information shown by default. This type of information can be more succintly called essential or non-derivative information.

Putting aside that you gave no justification for this, nor did you gain any support for this particular rule, this also carries a ton of different use cases that you've not yet cared to elaborate upon. It is evident you have not fully thought this through.

Phoenix169 wrote: That is the only additional standard that I think is needed. All essential information should always be shown on the page so it can be seen without clicking and so they can be compared side-by-side. Non-essential information will use or not use FlipText depending on the other (current) standards. My proposal being so simple is why I went ahead and started making edits considering that there was only one editor opposing it. I didn't see any point in dragging out the process just for the sake of one dissenting editor.

So when I make an edit, I need the full consensus of the wiki, but when you do, your opinion is so self-evident that you can do as you please? That doesn't seem quite right. There have been users before you who have attempted to treat the wiki like their own personal playground, and with the same inflated sense of self-importance, and that backfired on them very quickly.