Talk:Jax/@comment-4885874-20120817004418/@comment-4885874-20120819154920

@FrostyPuff:

What does this have to do with the point I bring up? Jax might be hard counter to those (which he totally isn't to Irelia and Wukong at the very least) but I'm not arguing whether he wins in lane or a 1v1. He has a very safe early-game and an amazing mid-game but most other bruisers offer much more to their team from damage/tankiness perspective when late-game comes.

@Bloodstrider:

Fiora jumps and deals immense damage to the whole enemy team and has amazing steroids, Wukong deals insane AoE damage, Irelia bypasses resistances, Xin can assassinate squishies better than LB nowadays.

The fact that people try to 1v1 the best 1v1 champ in the whole game shouldn't be considered as a fact of his opness.