Talk:Swain/@comment-4530717-20121116155520/@comment-4875928-20121117141632

Just tested the new tear, liandrys torment (yes its the item with 5% dmg from passive - yes 5% with the buff from slow because its halfed on DoT's).

One word comes in my mind... kinda weak :/

New tear...

Is a weak item to go instead of catalyst at start (who had is max mana and mana regen from lvl up reduced :/). Yes its stacks fast (with blue buff) tear alone could stack to full in 20 min if you buy it early (and faster late game).

If you go for it, after RoA then you lose the tankyness that you would get from Chainvest (since normally you would be ganked by junglers and it comes handy since 2nd item is zhonya).

Well you could go probably for it if you are winning your lane (and your team too), in other cases you will be to squishy (and have reduced dmg) to do actually something in teamfights.

Liandrys torment...

Well after RoA the extra Mpen and the dmg from passive didnt felt to strong maybe because if you went Zhonya (almost the same costs) you would get more AP from it, so the dmg difference isnt that big (but there was some notice) - still the lack of tankyness is more noticible. But you got to say that in teamfights in makes dmg from your ulti bigger on enemy team (and that is its big + ).

Also if you compare it to Abyssal (now with 700 range) you have lower Mpen, dmg litthe higher (thx to the passive) and gives you higher effective hp vs AD, but way lower vs AP...

Could probably be an good 6th item if you got a nice tank to initiate.

Could be nice combo with Abyssal, Mpen shoes - 45 Mpen with items alone.

If they fixed Swains mana problems on ulti (capped it) i would actually maybe buy it vs weaker lanes as first item (or Relais instead of RoA).