Talk:Katarina/@comment-25660105-20141215074307/@comment-9705522-20141223184400

To Nightmareguy: Yup, pick rate is a factor. In fact its the potentially hugest factor. But only downwards. Upwards, its not that huge actually. Kat has a 16% pick rate. Thats barely twice the average. That makes such an insignificant change that it can be ignored.

Yes, but thats why I told you that your insistence of using win rate as a representation of power doesnt work. You correctly identified the factor that gives them the high win rate. Well, except for Fiora, as she is actually balanced, bordering on being underpowered (her ult is basically a glorified alphastrike now). Same goes for Kat, with the defining factor being low difficulty.

Uh, the point was that using win rate as a representation of power is stupid. Because there are more factors. You explained my examples away with factor one, pick rate (although it doesnt work for all of them, only swain and heimerdonger). Kats can be explaiend with factor 2, difficulty. Additionally, the term "power" as a factor is misleading. Its relative power. In Solo Q, we have to split that term as well, in "actual power" and "ability to abuse mistakes". So we got that.

To Neonspotlight: Well, your "facts" consist of misusing statistics in the most ridiculous way possible and ... actually, thats it. Outside of that its hypothesises and assumptions without anything to support them.

Lets see. What are my real arguing points? Kat can easily be stopped. Thats an objective statement that is easily verified. So, I got that. She can be stopped by anyone with CC. Thats a conclusion arising from fact 1. So, from that follows that anyone with any type of hard CC has all the power in their hands to completely shut down Kat. And thats the beauty of it. Everything is logical and follows from each other. Neat, isnt it?

Oh, did it come off like that? Well, I apologize if it hurt your feeling, but sadly thats because thats what it is. Let me give you a real world example of what you are doing. What you are doing is the same thing as taking education, and ignoring all other factors except for wealth, and saying "see, that person is rich, that means they have to be well educated". Now, you might say "but thats bullshit, wealth isnt the only factor, nor is it the strongest factor". Yes. And its no different with power and win rate.

Oh I know I wouldnt convince you. You are dead set on your opinion, and im afraid its impossible to convince you otherwise. After all, you saw it happen with your own eyes. But thats the problem with anecdotal evidence being valued far too highly, I guess.