Talk:Udyr/@comment-77.255.61.165-20120331135200/@comment-4568988-20120405040655

Phoenix is faster on all camps. You kill the smaller creeps just by beating on the large creep and the proc at lower levels gives you overall more DPS than the attack speed from tiger. There's really no competition. You take tiger first if you're laning because early on tiger can really chunk people so it allows you to trade. But in the jungle it's about sustained damage and that's what Phoenix gives you more than tiger. Once you have a lot of on-hit items or a decent amount of damage, only then will Tiger outshine Phoenix DPS.