Talk:Pantheon/@comment-5877442-20140219142446/@comment-5877442-20140219191524

http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/stonewall/27327-spirit-stoned-the-rise-of-pantheon-and-wukong So there's the article you talked about.

First of all, Panth isn't the only one to have a targeted stun. Rengar, Naut, Vi, SION, Taric etc all have targeted cc. This is ignoring other cc and easy-to-land skillshot/AoE cc, like Leona, Vi Q, Riven, Skarner, Renek etc. Why are these champs not played then? The article mentions how Wukong and Panth became popular due to their sustain problems being fixed, but then Riven suffers from bad sustain, as well as Leona, Renek and Sion and Taric to an extent as just a few examples. Why doesn't the change make them better then?

Early game, if you even think about using your abilities more than once per camp with spirit stone, you will run oom. Of course, the spirit items counter that, but they also do that for every jungler.

In Stonewall's jungle panth video, he didn't even bother using E to help him clear camps, even with blue. Sure, it deals AoE damage, but that damage isn't the highest ever. Early game, you are just about as better off just autoattacking monsters. W's damage is pitiful and there isn't really a reason why you'd use it on monsters anyway. Panth Q is Kha Q with less damage, a higher cd and a higher mana cost.