Talk:Garen/@comment-78.0.29.44-20121003220924/@comment-46.7.207.128-20121005003922

Its a bit long if you compare it to the likes of Darius or Riven and IMHO it should have stayed at 140 seconds, which was already long enough. I will say though while it can be very inconvenient at the beginning, its mid and late game CD certainly compensates for this, though I am still all for returning the CD back to its original for its first level.

Not to sound like a broken record and although I am not 100% with the argument, directly comparing Garen's ult with Darius' ult is somewhat out of line, despite their strong similarities. Darius execute you use for OBNOXIOUS damage and can be used as either total overkill/spam or just to seriously dent a massive tank. Garen's ult is as true an execute as an execute can be, the increased damage and damage-per-hp to allow it to scale late game to continue "executing" the enemy. While Darius ult is, besides a handful of cases, a lot stronger than Garen's, I personally find Demacian Justice a lot more enjoyable to use. Not to mention the fact it CAN'T be spammed can actually be good for your team, unlike a Darius who penta KS your carries into oblivion and dies mega fast in spite of being fed.