Talk:Riven/@comment-26875630-20150826112630/@comment-25144803-20150828053830

Everyone saying you're wrong is wrong. There is no argument, there can be no argument. She makes everyone crazy (including her own teammates) for very good reason. Riven's nonsense.

Now, can you counter her? Yes. She can absolutely be dealt with, but in almost all cases, you need help early in the game. You simply can't out-duel her, it's near-impossible, regardless of whom you happen to pick. Garen might have an easier time against her, but far from it that he "counters" her.

And don't bother arguing it, because she has a shield that scales with AD. A shield that scales with AD. It's not that it's even that good, it's that she's rewarded with tank for building AD. There is no debating how completely pointless that is, don't try, it goes unheard by everyone who isn't a Riven main and knows how stupidly difficult and needlessly pointless laning against her is, especially if your jungler is unwilling to help. (Being primarily a jungler, Riven's always, always my first target for an early gank, and for good reason. There is no one who snowballs harder. No one.)