Talk:Karthus/@comment-8506165-20140305190817/@comment-8506165-20140315003253

Oh dear...

"Assassins with gap closer don't give a shit about a pathetic slow. The extra HP & mana shield when combine with Archangel might give you a chance; the slow won't."

Okay, let's just turn this on its head:

Bruisers and carries don't give a shit about a pathetic 150HP and maximum extra 130HP shield from RoA. The extra kite power from Rylai's might give you a chance, the health won't.

If it's really imperative that you survive the enemy assassin despite Death Defied, Zhonya's would be better for you.

"The slow field after death is again, pathetic. Karthus needs 3 seconds among those 7 to channel his ult anyway. You must also know that Rylai slow is not additive but multiplicative once you use W (with a further 65% decrease in its strength). All things considered, at max level W and Rylai, instead of 80% slow, you will have 81% slow. Oh, that extra 1% is great, right?"

Generally speaking, you don't cast your ult immediately after dying on Karthus, you cast a few Qs at whoever's in range while you still can, then ult, rather than spending 3s channelling your ult and then discover no-one's in range of anything else afterwards. Even were this not true - Defile's automatically turned on when you die! The slow field is still in effect while you channel your ult! As for Wall of Pain, yes, the slows don't really stack, but:

Wall of Pain
 * Range: 1000
 * Cooldown: 18

The cooldown is hardly a forgiving one. In the meantime, you have absolutely no CC.

"Karthus doesn't buy Liandry often (if ever), so your "counter argument" is bullshit. If you want Liandry, there is W to synergize with it. "

I'll let DiffTheEnder from "A DIFFerent View" field this one:

http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/diff-the-ender/23231-liandrys-torment-is-incredibly-strong

He even uses Karthus as an example for calculating spell damage, finding that on 3000 health targets with about 100MR (the average bruiser), your damage on a single Q is increased by 200% relative to a Void Staff. In fact, it's better than Void Staff even on targets with 150MR on health values as low as about 750. He also finds it's better on DOT mages: hey, doesn't Karthus have a constant AoE DOT? Also, would you look at that: Liandry's gives more health than the extra from RoA and its max Seraph's shield bonus does!

And it's doubly effective when the target is slowed. So now, do we want them permanently slowed, or do we want them slowed about 30% of the time by relying solely on Wall of Pain?

So, I've looked at numbers, provided relatively detailed analyses, justified my item choices and explained why several of your points are bad. You've... randomly insulted me for questioning the orthodoxy of RoA Karthus, which I would argue is a throwback to days when Karthus was more popular and people haven't really looked at new itemisation in detail on him yet. Oh, and you threw in some anecdotal evidence and an argumentum ad populum. Thoroughly destroyed my arguments, I feel, a real display of how much smarter you are than me.