Talk:Veigar/@comment-4964269-20120602061148/@comment-98.206.134.151-20120605215015

1.I consider Ryze the anti-Veigar within the mages. No other AP-carry can survive Veigar's burst like he can(builds BV for damage, lol-wut?).

2.Ryze still needs to build mana for his damage, but Tear is insanely cheap(1k) and all his other mana comes attached to defensive items(RoA, BV, FH). As for Veigar, his Q-based AP isn't really that fantastic that he can afford to not build AP items. He just doesn't need quite as many of them as other APs to get the job done. Still buying Deathcap, Void and DFG, and Athene's is probably core on him now too(giving him 30% CDR from items so far, as well as at least 4% from masteries).

3.General playstyles, Ryze is a DPS mage that builds tanky, can operate on lower budgets, and bring 1-2 aura items to his team in his normal build items(FH and maybe WotA). Veigar is a Burst mage that builds squishy, requires a *LOT* of farm to be effective, and his kit makes him most potent against most other AP carries.