Talk:Nautilus/@comment-5490997-20121117103050

I got the chance to do 1 practice game with Naut on the PBE servers yesterday (so with all the new items and jungle) and I have to say the first jungle round has become pretty dangerous. Especially doing blue buff without any help is something you won't survive if the enemy jungle would attempt a steal (I think I had ~150HP left after I got it). Around red buff things went better though, I think I might have been level 3 already before I reached red and that helped a lot. From that point onwards the jungle wasn't that much of an issue.

It did take me >40 minutes to beat a bunch of bots though because the lanes did horribly without my help in that first jungle round (the bot tower fell by the end of my first jungle round...). And even though it seems Naut has higher MS now it really doesn't help because everyone has a higher base MS...

Also the upgraded machete (Spirit Stone) doesn't have quite enough mana regen to get Naut out of mana troubles entirely, so I do recommend getting a Philo beside that as well for the gold and regen stats.