Talk:Veigar/@comment-5877442-20121224223609/@comment-86.101.96.44-20130105104737

I dont use my stun in teamfights o land the W, and you know what? I almost always hits with it. Why? Because of the teamfight. It's like Cho-s Q. If you doing it right, then you will have 450-500 ap at min 20, and with that many you can 2 hit the squishies with your R+Q without the W, or kill them with a W+Q.

So what do I do with my E?

Helping teamfights, and hold it vs the gapclosers.

But if you know those tricks, you will still loose with Veigar. Why? Because the early game, and because you dont have too much aoe dmg. If you doing it the right way you can turn the teamfights instantly a 4v4 where you cant fight, cuz you need to wait for your cooldowns. You can only win a teamfight if you can turn it a 3v4 instantly, So taking out the two carrys. In the old times you can do that with this method.:

1st carry. R+Q, 3 sec, (E+)W+Deathfire grasp. But today...