Talk:Udyr/@comment-3493296-20170421141508/@comment-3493296-20170424163041

But AP Udyr now has stronger defense than before, you still max W on him for the maximum shield, but now you also heal for a good amount since it is way better than lifesteal. And the waveclear + punctual damage of AP Udyr feels actually very efficient.

I currently go for Chilling Smite + Runic Echoes, Ninja Tabi, Nashor's Tooth, Zz'Rot, Dead Man's Plate, Spirit Visage, replace boots with Lich Bane, replace Runic Echoes with Luden's Echo.

High mobility, high burst damage, still while being very tanky thanks to Turtle Stance Shield + Heal.

Runes: AS Marks, Armor/lvl Seals, AP/lvl Glyphs, AP Quints (You don't need armor at all now)

Masteries: 6/6/12, abusing the combination of Grasp + Turtle to reg even more. Thunderlords is also an option if you want to be more aggressive.

Starting Item: Talisman + 2 Vision Wards (Your sustain is as good as Fiddle's)