Talk:Trundle/@comment-3514681-20121103112625/@comment-90.6.241.233-20121105105429

actually i play a lot of junglers and i find he looks awesome, but i don't play him because i fail to see how he's good his ganks are barely better then shyvanna while he deals less damage cleans slower, has mana, nothing to engaage late game and  has no passive armor/mr from ult

so basically he's like a weaker shyvanna witha slow ( i compare im to shyv because of ms buff and  ult making him tanky and A  used right after AAs

and if you say his ganks are better... well maybe the pillar helps, sadly with the mobility fo current top picked champs shyvanna and trundle can't gank real hard ( yeahwell gank level 2 with red works  or when they overextend like idiots without wards but on decent players who ward .. just try a ninja gank with trundle or shyvanna)

and there's where shyvanna is viable while trundle is not : clearing speed and late game

if the other team is really defensive you can afk farm in both jungles  and carry the game with shyvanna while trundle cannot