Talk:Udyr/@comment-4641298-20130322012958/@comment-129.7.17.221-20130322134427

i have played jungle udyr since preseason 1, you dont sit around in turtle stance in the jungle, you stay in pheonix, and pop turtle 1 second before pehonix comes off cooldown again. getting pheonix procs = clear speed, you dont have time to turtle smack creeps when you need to be ganking you hardly get any mana from it the sigils from killing creep camps have you more than covered.