Talk:Elise/@comment-8733289-20150807042459/@comment-26502987-20150811165622

^yeah but nidalee is not really receiving nerfs as big as elise's. For me, the latest buff on her made her viable, as oppose to what others say that she was already an ok champion before the buff. They only overdid it with the buff in the cocoon, which I believe is the reason why she's permaban.

Maxing W increases her damage output while maxing E makes her a stun bot. But because of the buff in the cocoon, she can max W first and still be a stun bot without maxing E. There should be a difference between AP elise and Utility elise. They just need to nerf her stun duration a bit, it's no big deal.