Talk:Vayne/@comment-5077844-20141207224527/@comment-5955640-20141207233125

Whatever happened to Vayne having a weak early game? I mean bottom Vayne it all depends on your support. Their support and the opposing marksman and the jungler sitting the lane but top lane. I dunno. Some champs should be able to take her. I one time jungled for a Jax and I saw that he was facing a Vayne top and I was like "Right. I'll just gank the lane once or twice and he'll be so overfed that he just dives her everytime she comes in lane. I can focus on the other lanes."

Sat at the turret. Didn't even ask me to gank which I always do on command. By the time I noticed that he was giving the lane away she was already fed. Didn't make any sense to me that any champ with a gap closer doesn't just all in her even after she does the pushback.

At first rank it has a 20 second cooldown. Riven's Broken wings and valor only have 13 and 10 seconds cooldown respectively. Kayle's Q is 650 range (a hundred more than Vayne's auto attack) and her E is 25 range below that and what a helpful thing the ult would be in a duel. Fiora parries auto attacks and lunge twice within a span of 10 seconds and 16 seconds not counting the ult which basically makes her untargetable and gives away five hits for free.

Vladimir, Yorick, and Ryze could all just harass her in lane. Odd picks like Heimerdinger, Vel'koz, and Lissandra could just CC her to death.

She really shouldn't be doing well in top. I think she's getting away with it purely because of current pick meta.