Talk:Rammus/@comment-25115166-20140816235312/@comment-5955640-20140817233455

I find them equally squishy in early game as they need lots of health and armor and you'll probably need to start ganking at around level three. Defensive Ball curl makes the difference in Rammus being tankier and Sejuani passive is really passive for extra armor.

2500 plus health and 200 and 150 plus armor respectively and you won't notice the difference in either in terms of how much of a tank they are just how they will offer you victory.

I very much like being the linchpin in winning a teamfight because I will deliver. Sejuani gives me the seat of control and I always aim for the ADC. Rammus is more like I run up on you and you can't peel off which is great for the laning phase but if you need to be the initation to prevent a strong iniation it's bad. Let me put it this way.

If you are dealing with a fed melee carry the complete shutdown stun and the persistent slow is more of a shutdown than the taunt knockup and thornmail damage Rammus is.

I'm sadly speaking from experience (man I hate fed ADCs and Yasuo in paticular).