Talk:Deathfire Grasp/@comment-5490997-20121027180117

Actually guys, the nerf isn't that bad.

The only thing that's changing is that it isn't as strong early game.

Let's see, above 500 AP you will get more damage, that sounds good to me. Sure you might not reach that every game, but with 300-400 AP it'll still be stronger than most other AP items. Personally I usually have no trouble reaching +500 AP with Viktor. With a full build I have over 700 AP (I think close to 800 with baron/blue elixir). So in terms of damage I don't think it's an issue.

The CDR might sound like a big loss, but blue buff + blue elixir gives you 30% CDR. Add in 4% from masteries that you'll have for sure and you'll only be 6% from 40% CDR.

The only issue I see is that still blue buff is made more important than it should be and that manaless champs might not get blue buff from their team. But personally I think that is far from making this item worthless or bad. If you have map control you won't have trouble getting 1 or 2 blue buffs and with 99% of the casters you won't have a discussion because they also need blue buff for the mana regen.

Now what Riot could do is make an upgrade for Haunting Guise that includes CDR, that would make it a very good item for manaless champs. I think there is room for a CDR item for manaless casters at least, but other than that the nerf actually isn't that bad.