Talk:Riven/@comment-24201437-20131122150308/@comment-24073465-20131127070216

Actually, considering the Shield thing, while their base values and duration may be greater, Riven would, in almost all cases beat Janna, and in most cases beat Karma...the only places where she would be beaten is by Diana, and if Karma build completely AP (ehich would happen mid, but most Karma are support, so the shield strength is lost a bit due to less AP)...

Considering Riven's shield, with bonus damage of 210, she has 400 shield every 6 sec (3.6 for her 40% cd build)

Considering others....Assume Janna has about 100 AP (She could have more, but that would be building AP Janna and you know how conventional supports going AP is like)...her Shield gives her 310 which is a lot less than Riven..

For Diana and Karma, their AP would have to be 360-370 (considering Diana's TOTAL shield ie. if all the orbs explode; DIana's shield will not match Riven's at all if they don't) and 320 (like I said, possible if Karma goes mid, not really if she's support)

A second thing to consider is that A) They probably won't build 40% CDR unlike Riven and B) while the Shield may be longer in duration, the cooldown time is greater than hers (their shield cd is 10, her's is 6) C) Her's doesn't have mana or any resource, theirs does, so she can activate it more easily; if they ran out of mana, they're boned...

Thus, in most cases, Riven's Shield is actually stronger overall than theirs...