Talk:Veigar/@comment-91.150.223.24-20121213135941

There is one thing i cant find anyone to take into consideration here. When looking at math with new dfg it doesnt seem too bad, but there is more to it. Veigar is a champion who is 'kill or be killed' at most times. And qss (which is buffed right now and can be built into an ad item) is an awesome counter against him, so is cleanse, which is now often taken by ad carries. Without the comet Veigars burst is lower than most other mages, but with high ap you couldve countered your counter - nuke an ap or ad carry who qsses out of your stun with dfg->ult->q, as they hardly ever have high resists. With puny dmg that dfg does right now its impossible to do that, and thats a very big issue. Cant find anything in the new season that makes him better - rabaddon is weaker, dfg is much weaker, athenes (i always liked to build it, no mana problems at all, great ap and cdr) ap went down by 1/3, ads get qss and cleanse even more often, less ap overall means lower ult dmg on ap carries, and dont tell me that mpen got buffed, as i did 'some' calculations and with mpen marks, boots and void you do 2-5% more dmg to mres ranging from 35 to 80, but when mres is above 120 you do LESS dmg (at 200 its 2.4%) than in season 2 with same items and mpen% mastery. Buying a haunting guise seems like a good idea now, as it increases your dmg by ~10-15% on opponents with 60-150 magic resistance, which is fairly common.