Talk:Ryze/@comment-24496127-20151101060816/@comment-24496127-20151101070451

Theoretically outranging him would be a valid solution, the issue is when your team needs something like a tank, or you don't know that you're going against a Ryze. Even so, it's worth a try. Not sure about Malzahar in particular though, unlike many champs, Ryze could probably still duel him as long as he survives Malzahar's combo, and would be really hard to poke low enough for that to happen.

It would work late game though, so at least then you know you're winning if it's a farming lane.