Talk:Garen/@comment-26910027-20150820164626

This is one of the best disgused nerfs Riot has come up with. What they've pretty much done is made him much worse in lane (where he shines), but situationally better rarely. This is looking at the numbers only WITHOUT the villion mechanic. We don't know how his raw stat changes or the villion mechanic will effect his ability to bully enemies. But assuming that you don't feed your lane, things aren't looking bright. Lets look at his skills.

His Q has nerfed chased potential and stick potential.

His W is a nerf. While it may have better defensive stat gains you already have a built in 30% damage reduction and tenacity is in general ridiculously good. ~15 more armor/mr vs 30% less CC. 15 is being generous too as you generally bully people and push them out of lane early game, not mid game.

His E is a nerf. We assume raw stats post-patch (or whatever the wikia has updated to) without runes and masteries resulting in the formula [SKILL DMG * Ticks + AD * Tick Scaling * Ticks = Damage]. Perhaps the biggest change to his kit, in its current state targeting a non-villian does roughly the same amount of damage at level 18 (new = 802.2, old = 809.2), but much less damage mid game around ~level 10 (We use level 10 to take advantage of the 8 ticks instead of 7). At level 10, his E used to do 60*6+93*.55*6 = 666.9 (what a beautiful number). His E at level 10 now does 30*8+93*0.38*8 = 522.72. But wait, he gets 33% bonus damage versus single targets: 522.72*1.3=695.22. But wait, his bonus damage only works when the target is isolated because hitting a minion + champion != single target. So, not only do you still get slowed spinning thorugh minions, you also do less damage too. While the cooldown is clearly a buff, you have to consider that E is a point blank AOE, meaning you don't always spam it when it is up simply because you won't be able to do any damage if you did and last I checked it doesn't give utility anymore. Did I mention the nerf to the Q duration starting at level 2 means that you won't be able to get as close anyway?

His R has no change without villiony.

TDLR; Riot nerfed his consistency and his lane bullying potential (tenacity/gap closer/silence/damage) to situationally buff kill potential. Wow.. *clap clap*