Talk:Udyr/@comment-219.92.172.43-20120426155204/@comment-94.134.219.41-20120426172448

Yes. U max Turtle first for infinite sustain which allows u to resist harassment and trade with the enemy. A 200 shield early game is a massive advantage, not to mention the lifesteal/spellvamp and the mana gain. Also Tiger stance is a one-level-wonder because of its high base damage that scales mediocre per level but rly good with ur champ stats. I wouldnt use Phoenix in lane because it pushes rly hard and u lose some sustain because u actually have to put some levels in it instead of Turtle.