Talk:Vayne/@comment-94.195.178.233-20121025145126/@comment-193.200.175.68-20121026132604

ive been playing Vayne like about 400-500 games and i can tell you next

Vayne cant win against MF early game, in usual conditions ofc and if MF knows how to play, however mid/late game Vayne>MF

you need to play as passive as you can, call for ganks, usually ask for supports with heal, stay behind creeps but be ready to reposition yourself with tumble to avoid double up or slow

1 on 1 before lvl 6 i would say Vayne has no chances against mf, so try to calm yourself(sometimes its getting really annoying to get harrased and not being able to strike back) and farm as much as you can, cause mid and late you gonna be much dangerous ADC

Ashe is another thing, i wont reommend any specific support against her(well maybe blitz cause ashe lacks mobility), i would rather recommend to not give enemy team pick smth like soraka for ashe, cause it means volleys "all day, all night wtf"

against ashe you need to take position where you are not too far from her, but not in front lines, as you probably noticed Ashe's volley is not the same as Grave's, arrows strike only first target and wont penetrate further

you need to choose position where arrows hit your creeps and wont hit you, if there is such situation you should harass her back immediately till her volley on cd

ofc it also depends on supports, if ashe bought doran blade, while you have boots and 3pots, and ashe has soraka, while you have smth like janna or nunu, i would not recommend fighting with them at all

just farm passively, you have better mid/late game