Talk:Heimerdinger/@comment-24.146.194.181-20120512071851/@comment-5052127-20120513234545

umm.. buying those 2 items first, you are already building AP slower than me, and that is already well over 1000 gold you are spending on mana regen + life... I spend about 1500 on those stats getting RoA. I can see the mpen on haunting guise helping, the guise is pretty good for heimer, but if you also get sorc shoes, you're wasting gold on a good chunk of that mpen vs most champions..