Talk:Ryze/@comment-26203093-20160820014916/@comment-26203093-20160821191903

I don't really need the graph. There's only so much mana you can get at a time when you don't have your passive powered up, so other than the passives that are super nice, like the sustain on roa, you should basically delay it somewhat unless you're going dry. It's not like you shouldn't get mana - you're fucking your scaling if you do, but it's like building AD before AS and crit. It's generally better.