Talk:Shaco/@comment-5211195-20120622180953/@comment-82.155.80.252-20120622232906

Well, talking as a guy who owns both, they are fairly diferent, but equally complicated. Talon is a mid burster who relies on safe farm up to level 4 and an AP top to even things out. He is a counter pick to most mages considering he deals physical damage and there is only one item Mages can afford to build, and it's active leaves them vulnerable to Talon. He should not be played as a first pick because like all counterpickers, he is counter picked easily.

Shaco is a jungler, exceding in early game dominance and late game quick cleanings and backdooring, not to mention counterjungling. He, as Talon, requires a specific team comp to be used (IE, tank top, like Nautilus or tanky top and support). A shaco player knows how to abuse his early game. From levels 2-5 focus in ganking and killing. While for most junglers pushing an enemy out of lane is enough, Shaco should try super hard to either kill or to let the lande kill. 6+ he should counterjungle and leave your jungle filled with boxes every time you go to the enemies'. It is also top priority giving the 2nd blue to mid AFTER, but only if, stealing the enemies' blue.

Altough both of them are assassins, they are much different in the roles they play. Talon is a caster assassin, meaning he needs his abilities to kill. Shaco's abilities are more utilitary focused, meaning they exist to make killing easier.

A shaco in teamfights should disrupt first with W, use Q and E to kill/make the carry retreat, and a combination of R and Q to escape. A Talon should use W to initiate, E+Q to kill and R to escape/pursue. A big difference between those 2 is that Shaco can disrupt team fights with W and R. Talon can't. Damage? Yes. Disrupt? No.

Finally Shaco is a trickster and a jester, meaning he needs to confuse the enemies and play with their heads, tricking them into falling for your traps, being an exploding clone, a bush filled with boxes, a killzone filled with enemies or all of these and more. With Talon, people already know what you are going to do. It's just a question of doing it before they can react.

To end up this massive wall of text, Talon is a Counter-Mid AD burster and Shaco is an AD early mid jungler backdoorer. Both of them require pratice and training, and when mastered, both of them are, if you allow such expression, fuckin' awesome and totally worthy of your dedication

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