Talk:Talon/@comment-25325968-20150505224502/@comment-24036535-20150513221034

You're twisting my words, logical fallacy, your points concerning my quotes are irrelevant.

-"Both of you still seem to be counting on Zed having half the items a Talon has in the given situation. Zed with the same items as Talon does a shitload more damage. That's FACT. Do you know what a fact is? Indiscussable, steady and true."

Nowhere have I said that Talon does more damage than Zed, I in fact, did actually say Zed does more damage, he probably has the most damage in a full rotation of any assassin. Period. However, Talon's is faster, that is to say, in one second, he kills people, full rotation, done. Zed on the other hand, has his ult animation, and the Mark detonation (3 seconds), meaning Zed kills people slower. Talon burst varies in comboing, but usually his instant cast times allow for EQRW+Hydra in some order, usually for the kill. I don't know a Zed rotation, but his ult animation ALONE is almost as long as Talon's combo.

Oh, and insulting your debate opponent doesn't look good, it just starts screaming matches, it's pointless.

-"What is even wrong with you??? So in the meta of the 3 tanks and 2 carries it's worth to sacrifice one of those carries for the HOPE of killing any opponent?? Not in ANY given situation that argument will ever be valid. It's just delusional."

I never said anything about hope. I don't know why you brought it up, but it was not a relevant part of the discussion at any point. In a teamfight, Talon can reliably get to the backline, and murder any squishy targets there, any peel which would PREVENT Talon from doing said job, applies just as much to any other assassin (Except Fizz, screw Fizz), as it does to Talon. Talon is also not guaranteed to take ALL of the peel/cc, he can easily wait it out, and head into the fight after enemy CDs are down.

-"However we're talking about 'Talon or any worth assassin'. Jesus, I didn't even call him bad, just worse than the other assassins, calm your tits..."

ahem

-"Considering these heavy weaknesses together with his not that great scalings, he is by far among the most useless midlaners AT ALL"

"The lack of argumentation also shows what you know." One's argumentation skills do NOT dicate how valid their point is, it just helps make it clear.

Now that my argument is better organized, is it easier to see how I've picked apart your points?

Oh, and the rest of my argument still stands, you have given no valid counter-arguments against it.