Talk:Veigar/@comment-3165723-20120505030100/@comment-76.115.122.149-20120505191002

That math is so biased and so situational, and heres why:

1. You do not take into consideration that veigar ALWAYS buys dfg, has infinite ap scaling, has enemy ap scaling on his ult, and,imo, provides better zoning/cc with his e. Oh, did I also mention all his dmg is practically guaranteed if you land a stun on a priority target?

2. Brand cannot, in any way shape or form, guarantee that all his dmg lands. Your best bet is to use rylais slow, but that is by no means as good as a 2.5 sec stun. When u consider that his best ap scaling skills are his two skillshots, brand starts looking much less atractive. Brand also looks good on paper, but in practice your ult will hardly ever land all the bounces against experienced players.

All in all, I consider veigar better dmg, better utility, whereas brand's selling point is range and potentially strong team fighting.