Talk:Sejuani/@comment-5077844-20141102213800/@comment-15244341-20141104013250

So she is strong when she is not playing inside the current meta. Thus... she isn't strong against the more common picks? That sounds a lot like being weak. No trying to be mean, just saying that she is weak right now, and there is pretty much no argument against that. You can play her, that's for sure, just don't expect it to be pretty at higher divisions.

Also, armor is not sustain. It helps at sustaining less damage from camps, but with Frost Armor's numbers, that damage mitigation is mostly neglegible, especially considering she has no other form of sustain without items. Rammus with full armor runes, however, takes basically zero damage and deals a ton of damage on top of that, so that is an example of armor being good on a jungler for sustain.

In the end it is better to have shields and heals in the jungle. Since jungle monsters tend to do low (small ones) and medium (wraith, buffs and big critters) damage, the ~5% damage reduction you get from their attacks with 10 armor is going to be much less significant than, say, getting back 14 health on autoattacks. Or just a flat 60 (Lee's shield when we consider his natural armor+runes) extra health that isn't your health. There is a reason Sejuani is easy to invade: her actual health when in the jungle in her first clear stays low. Red buff/blue buff just shred her. Invading a 2/3 HP Sejuani is pretty sweet, since she really has no way of answering at that point to any strong invader.

And no, her clear is average. I don't get why this gets pointed at all when speaking about her. Good clear is what Shyvanna, Udyr, Amumu, Yi, Tryndamere or Karthus do. Sejuani is average. Since her sustain is pretty much what she gets from Golem or Quill Coat, she also can't stay out long enough to just farm forever. Her mana sustain, BTW, is nonexistant if you use Q at all without blue, which would probably be better on your laners if you are just going to farm.

That said, the new smites and the buffs from the camps (poison armor, which is basically a mini-thornmail) are really really good at helping her clear. The heal from smiting red plus the new effect on red buff just give her some real staying power in the jungle she never had. The clear will probably be better with her increased stats and the better Machete, IMO.