Talk:Vladimir/@comment-78.1.164.203-20110529085522/@comment-3485722-20110602180424

After the tournament, SaintViscious and Reginald were discussing whether Vlad was OP. Reginald just thought that he was an incredibly strong champ, while SaintViscious thought that he was incredibly OP. The reason that Saint gave was that even though Vlad is shat upon before 9, once he hits 9, he snowballs incredibly well, and becomes nearly unstoppable except for a very small number of counters (mordekaiser being the example Saint gave). Reginald said that since vlad had 3-4 counters, that vlad was not OP because he was counterable. Saint said that forcing you to pick one of 3-4 counters would destroy team comp, if he was picked later, making vlad either a must first-pick/ban, so that the round could be built around either supporting or stopping vlad. When the game evolves around who picks a champ, that champ is OP.