Talk:Gragas/@comment-15562896-20120526155004/@comment-4878039-20120527092619

I wouldn't recommend picking W first since then you can't basically do anything else than run and attack. Picking E on level 1 over Q can be wise since it deals more damage and you can go through walls but you can't safe harass.

I've never played against Fizz as Gragas, but yesterday I had a game against a Swain.

Against him you should stay back and keep your barrel in a place where he has to go in order to last hit, (usually it's near caster minions so your barrel will also hit them), dodge his W because if he gets you with that, the next thing on you is his whole kit. I actually found an interesting trick against him: When he casts W, throw your barrel and Body Slam out of his W. If you time it right Swain gets barreled and you escape the Nevermove. If you poke him low, R+E+Q should get him unless the game has progressed so far that he has gotten his tanky items.