User blog comment:Asylumking/Who makes you salty?/@comment-4290320-20150227084242/@comment-8506165-20150307022849

You're not really having a conversation. You're copy-pasting a chunk of text I've seen you put into at least two other comment threads, which just asserts that your opinions are factually true. Hence why I didn't bother with a particularly detailed response, but if you like I'll take a brief stab now. Riven does not require "incredible skill to play" in many people's opinion (hell, in one of my recent games one of my teammates who was "getting used to Riven" went 11/2/13 and generally wrecked face), although many would agree that to maximise her you do need a decent amount of skill, although to claim that "no-one will reach peak with her for years" is almost certainly taking that entirely too far. Again, skill floor vs skill ceiling. Otherwise, your argument is... what? Riven's OPness stems from the number of plays you can make with her if you can play her well enough, but most people can't so she's not OP? Poor argument, but either way: Riot doesn't seem to buy it as a basis for balance decisions either:

"No one expects you to play at a pro level, but at the same time if a pro can abuse a certain aspect of a champion why leave that capacity for abuse in the game for you to work towards?" - taken from a post on Gameplay and Balance boards that Riot endorsed by stickying.

So if... I dunno, Best Riven NA or BoxBox or some of the Korean Rivens are overpowered, then Riven is overpowered. Even if it's just outside of competitive: Riot have nerfed Fiora before when she's been played once in the LCS and did poorly there, because she was actually stomping SoloQ at all elos. If that's not your argument and you're trying to say that Riven at the highest level of play at the moment is still perfectly balanced, then I've no idea how you explain her not having an sub-Urgot winrate in the hands of the majority of players, particularly given her popularity - in most games, she will not be being played by a Riven main. Surely if anything her not having an atrocious winrate if she really does have this incredible skill requirement and high risk associated with picking her would indicate she is overpowered!

"Getting into range to place a shield still requires Riven to place herself in danger. Furthermore, the range isn't so incredibly high that you can't follow up on your aggression."

...I am honestly unsure who/what you're replying to here.