Talk:Xin Zhao/@comment-140.198.161.30-20120201210355/@comment-4568988-20120204035151

Xin was good initially due to 2 things - double CC on a carry and his ult. His ult has been nerfed so badly that it no longer achieves it's intended goal. During the development of Xin, riot stated that they wanted Xin to be an initiater champ, Hence the CC and the ult. When he got released he did this by doing so much damage that he killed people faster than they could react or burst him down. Now that his damage and CC got nerfed (slow reduced, throwup time reduced), he can't disable yet has the same problem of having no escape. His ult damage has also been nerfed and the resistances simply do not compensate. Wukong's passive is comparable to the resistance of xin's ult and he doens't have to hit everyone to get the defence and it is permanent so long as they're in range.

I don't think he needs some stupid buff like 100 second throwup time or 99% of current health dmg on his ult but compared to other champions (e.g. Annie's Tibbers or Fiddle's Ult) just isn't that rewarding when you land it on all 5 champs from the enemy. In fact if you go in without a secondary initiator or if you go in as the secondary initiator, it's pretty much suicide, even when you build him as a tanky dps. Full tank xin isn't as viable as it was before due to the CC nerf. Full AD xin is squishier than Yi and Tanky/DPS xin is outclassed by other tanky DPS. My proposal is that if Riot wants to make him an initator, increase the resistances so it's significantly better than Wukong's passive given that it doesn't CC to stop people attacking back and is only a temporary buff even when enemies are near and increase it's effect radius so it's actually feasible to land 3-5 people.