Talk:Udyr/@comment-5425051-20120819110457/@comment-2112140-20120822073705

Pheonix isn't a very good stance though the bonus AD and AP it provides sometimes come useful. As I see you like Pheonix Udyr in the jungle, well the choice of Udyr is yours, but these are some suggestions. When jungling vs Shyvana, Riven, Olaf it would be a good choice to jungle with Tiger. When jungling vs Jax, Master Yi, Trundle I would suggest Pheonix Udyr. Anyways If you build not tanky you will get destroyed in teamfights unless you play like the new Evelynn does and come late to a fight and your ability to stun the whole team should never be negated.

Also you should never stick to 1 build. Udyr usually has a core build. Possible Core Items: Frozen Mallet Trinity Force Randuins Shurelya's Madred's Wriggles. Optional Items: Bloodthirster, Infinity Edge, Black Cleaver, Last Whisper, Maw of Malmortius, Banshee's Veil, Guardian Angel. I would suggest a build like this:

Mercury Threads or Ninja Tabi, depends if they have a lot of crowd control and some magic damage or a lot of physical damage (Olaf Warwick Talon Sona Kog'Maw. A game I have easily won)

Wriggles/Gold per 10 items - Wriggles is quite useful for jungling. Gold per 5 items include Heart of Gold and Philosopher's Stone.

Phage - The item is just a start of Frozen Mallet.

Hexdrinker - Let's say they have a lot of magic damage.

Frozen Mallet - An useful item and when you get it you will proboably already have enough gold gained from Heart of Gold or/and Philosopher's Stone.

Shurelya's Reverie - The speed boost of this item is very useful for initiating and escaping.

Randuin's Omen - The AoE Slow makes the teamfight easier to win if you have AoE ultimates.

Maw of Malmortius - Cause as I said they have a lot of magic damage.

if you got Wriggles you can now sell it and get Guardian Angel/Black Cleaver/Banshee's (well that's what I'd suggest)

Guardian Angel is useful if you are dying a lot and need to be reborn, if you have a very bad early game replace it for Shurelya's or Maw of Malmortius and also get another defensive item depending on which type of damage is shutting you down the most.

Black Cleaver is the best pure AD item for Udyr in my opinion. With Tiger stance proccing all 3 stacks is very easy and you also do a lot of damage.

Banshee's Veil is a good defensive item if you get an instant Sion/Taric/ Morgana stun/snare to the face. It protects you from being stopped while initiating.