Talk:Veigar/@comment-26437229-20150526201419/@comment-26359415-20150601231628

In the laning phase I just go for the 2-minion Q farm or I simply don't use Q. Or in some cases (specially when about to hit lvl 6) I try to go for 1-minion + poke the enemy. I never run out of mana. The passive is incredibly good. The only case I get to run out of mana is when I start flask instead of Doran's.

Regarding the mana runes: One day I started to use 15% cdr at lvl 18 glyphs and then I just got stuck with it. It's just insanely good lategame. When sieging/zoning Ws at 4.8s cooldown is really good and you get to spam Q (3s cooldown). Actually, I go with 15% at 18 with most mages lol. I don't think mana runes are worth the 15cdr.