Talk:Trundle/@comment-87.206.148.5-20120103211306/@comment-87.206.148.5-20120104164952

@Up That is still less than 50 dmg from Trinity Force. Trundle isn't only one champ with speed boost/escape - Graves, Trynda, Caitlyn can run from u easily, and these aren't all champs that can do that. Also, AP Rumble eats you 'til banshee. And i feel like Riven has better ganks ._. Not saying anything about shaco... Also - taken from most popular jungle guide on mobafire - Note on Shaco v Trundle: Yes, I list Shaco as a counter to Trundle, it wasn't a mistake. Trundle is extremely good at getting people out of his jungle when their name isn't Shaco. While the troll can eat up a lesser level or equipped Shaco, he doesn't have the tools to deal with him on a 1v1 basis. Shaco can walk in, box up red and drop Trundle faster than he knows what hits him. In the early game, Trundle isn't as tanky and will die pretty quickly. Also, the reason he is amazing at deflection ( Pillar of Filth) is lost on Shaco who just blinks around it at will. Shaco hits Trundle hard and early to cripple his mid game and make it very difficult to come out. If left unharassed into the midgame, a Trundle will chase away a Shaco just fine, but since Shaco can literally counter jungle him at level 1 if he wanted, Trundle doesn't stand a chance. - - - - - - - - - Also, about ganking as Trundle: He has one of the strongest ganks in the game with his pillar…assuming you can use it properly. If done right, he will get a kill because his early damage is high with the double attack on his Rabid Bite. If done wrong you will anti-secure a kill, making sure that you can’t get to them and they get away like a giant ball of suck. If you don’t have the pillar up, his ganks devolve into him just chasing you really quickly.