Talk:Gragas/@comment-7671477-20140128024751/@comment-7707879-20140206195043

Don't cry about an OP champ getting nerfed, it's just sad. Gragas wins lane against basically every AP, has incredible burst, great tankiness, mobility and insane objective control with his ult. He can kill any mid but very few mid champions can actually kill him back. This is Kassadin symptom all over again, people say "he has a melee auto and is bad before level 6, just skill up and stop crying for nerfs noobs", of course, Kassadin turned out to be one of the strongest champions in the game, Kassadin players had egg on their face, and the exact same thing has happened with Gragas. The problem isn't the people calling for nerfs, it's the people playing these champions who have 0 ability to look at them objectively and say "yeah, OK, this is overpowered". It is easy to win lane with Gragas, and once you do that control almost every objective. He's also one of the reasons why non-mobile mids don't get a look in anymore. What is Gragas' role? Is he a lane bully who can throw his ult behind an enemy when his jungler comes round to get a kill? Well if he's a lane bully why does he scale like an AP carry? Is he an AP carry? No, he's tanky, mobile and beats basically every AP carry in lane, he's more than that. He has obvious strengths, what he needs are greater weaknesses to define his role and playstyle. Lowering the damage on his ult will achieve that, he'll become a lane bully and teamfight disruptor, rather than a tank come lane bully come AP carry.