Talk:Riven/@comment-33536623-20140127122040/@comment-7434112-20140201193535

"But you have to factor in AAs since that's how you prolong Shyv's W...

'''And it's also convenient to leave out the AA portion because Garen can't AA during his spin2win... '''

And you really shouldn't just be comparing one skill to one skill but rather look at the skills as a whole/kit."

If you were to read into U N Ovvrn's post "shyvana can dive onto you, deals more damage with her w than garens e (and she can still attack during it)", you'd see why I commented like that, rather than just attack a post I made. Garen can't AA in his spin2win but in the 4 secs after, yes he can.