Talk:Veigar/@comment-5077844-20150602203901/@comment-5955640-20150611190917

There's always a meta to a game when played against other people so that's not really something worth addressing.

There's a reason why I said that one champion that counters all opponents would be a problem over anything else. Invariably that means you either learn that counter and become that skilled to use it correctly or you lose.

Again I don't mind hard counters seeing as the hardest counter is the skill of the player and getting completely outmatched is an inevitability based on chance and the simplest mistake.

It's unfortunate that you can't always have fun when you are losing...