Talk:Kayle/@comment-2124153-20120815024602/@comment-4094339-20120815172224

I personally always start cloth 5 pots which does have worse ganks but lets me sustain without runing for it. I've personally never felt too low in the jungle with just W's sustain but I can see certain jungle matchups requiring more sustain.

Madred's is extremely good in this "lets build everything from gp/5s!" meta where 90% of junglers get Randuins, Shurelya's, Frozen Heart/Mallet. The problem is its so damn expensive. It can be good, but the investment takes a long time to pay off.