Talk:VPBE/@comment-26399677-20150915223708/@comment-26399677-20150915234201

These weren't even that common, much less as dominating as several other things right now (Juggernauts, Fiora, Sated Melees). Unlike cinderhulk and runeglaive, Sated is pretty awkward to build in lane as it requires JUNGLE farm to get, this is especially so for the massively gold-reliant ADCS that want to CS.

As for Jungle Vayne and Kogmaw, they have atrocious clears, low early game presence, and give up frontline power. While their hyper-lategame is ludicrous on paper, this is incredibly idealistic. Combine the jungle's already low income with their bad clearing, and they will be starved of gold. Also, they are incredibly reliant on this gold their being starved of, meaning the enemy has ample time to presure objectives and such before these guys get roling. I'm not saying their bad, just unreliable and not nearly as op as things they can be nerfing