Talk:Riven/@comment-9775822-20161110061818/@comment-4834593-20161121211101

Fervor doesn't stack on abilities anymore, which means you've basically used your combo by the time it is stacked (5 autoattacks means you probably used your E, W and all three Q's), and on top of that you have to miss out on the 5% max cooldown reduction and get, what is it, 7% armor penetration in return? If it'd still stack on abilities it might have been worth it, but it doesn't, so I'd say, just go Thunderlord. It also gives stronger trading as you can get a good trade and get out with your last Q or last two Q's, instead of having to continue fighting to get your maximum potential. Great against sustained damage champions like Fiora or kiters like Teemo, Kennen etc, because you can use those last dashes to get out of their range again.