Talk:Ziggs/@comment-130.63.42.245-20121121221134/@comment-81.51.19.211-20121122104829

try vlad against orianna or swain

it's MUCH worse

with ori you will never get in range to Q her

and with swain if you get in range to Q her he utterly destroys you (and his dots  continue when you pool)

ziggs is at least manageable if you dodge the Qs