Talk:Ryze/@comment-24053145-20150502142338/@comment-26001789-20150502221657

Old Ryze used Mana Runes.

The usual setup for the Old Ryze was using MS Quints, MagicPen Reds, Armor/HP per Lvl Yellows and Mana Blues. With 9/0/21, you would get 10% CDR + 10% CDR from Maxing Q, meaning that a single Frozen Heart would net you 40% sometime around 15-20 minutes into the game, which was insane, to say the least. From what I been playing so far, you can use two setups: The first one is still the classic one, using MS Quints, MagicPen Reds, Armor/HP Per Lvl Yellows and Magic Resist per Level Blues, running 9/0/21. This way, you can still sorta "tank" while running 10%, meaning that you can get more defensive itemization without investing in things like Spirit Visage o Will of the Ancients for that extra 10% CDR that you will be missing. The other one is using practically the same but instead running 5% CDR Blues and the rest being Flat Magic Resistance. Running 21/0/9. This is more offensive, for sure, but It will net you more overall damage with an slighty offensive setup. Something like running Abyssal second item after RoA and before upgrading Tear into Archangels, which is what the other setup will want to. Other than that, you can also run 3.75% CDR in masteries only and put Ability Power per Level Blues and just have that Mastery CDR for the early game only.