Talk:Vi/@comment-26251295-20150510222227/@comment-9705522-20150523114629

Riot does like her design. Which makes them massive hypocrites actually, as Vi embodies everything they considered bad design. Anti-fun, lack of choice/lack of meaningful choice and most importantly, of course, complete lack of counterplay on her ult. There are counters (if you pick morgana or Sivir), but no counterplay. And here is the thing: the designer wanted it. He in fact made sure she had no counterplay on his ult. Which is beyond terrible design.

Now of course the argument "if you gate it its too much like a nautilus or malphite ult". Not an excuse to remove counterplay. Besides, there are gating options that would make her ult still different. CC being paused and then being applied for the full duration if she was hit during her charge.

Or, better yet, make her CC immune, but if she was hit by any hard cc (so everything but slow, blind and AS slow), she gets stunned for 1.5 seconds directly after finishing her ult with no reduction by tenacity, or way to cleanse it, or ability to ignore it with Morganas black shield (think rumbles passive here). To ensure that if you ccd her mid-ult, she will be completely incapable of following up.

There are also other options, such as making her ult QSS-able, giving it a leash range, making it so allies can bodyblock it, making it so Vis ult stops if she gets more than X damage while ulting, etc. There are many ways of gating her ult, and at least one HAS to be implemented.

In her current state, she is the most frustrating, most anti-fun and most unfair champion in the league, and can simply be stated to be the actually WORST design in all of league. Worse than Teemo, worse than Shaco, worse than Urgot. Because at least every single other champion has some counterplay. Vi does not. And it was intended.

And while I wouldnt say she needs a rework (her Q W and E are fine, although some a bit over- and others undertuned), her ult needs a massive change in how it works, or to be completely replaced. And this is not optional, as the game health will constantly remain lowered by Vi if its not done.