Talk:Elise/@comment-4834593-20130703105036/@comment-7967732-20130705113356

Totally wrong. Elise sustain is bad early game. That's why her lane counters are the one with most sustain (Cho, Yorick). She counters other top laners for out poke them, not for sustaining. Aatrox, though not having the same tankiness as Cho (taking some hits before healing back), or as great harass/sustain at the same time as Yorick, still survive well against Elise. If Elise play too aggressive, chance is she's gonna die, cuz Aatrox gank set up is scary & he can tower dive very well.

Her damage, though all hyped up, is in fact not really higher than many other bruisers early on, and Q harass is not mana effective at all. In all in scenario, she loses most time (after spider form nerf). Her strength is that she can get her damage out without having to trade back (being ranged & having a stun + rappel). Smart Elise will try to poke until she can go in. Smart Elise opponent will just play as evasive as possible and focus on farming rather than trading.