Talk:Malzahar/@comment-4107784-20130708040317/@comment-4917560-20130713222021

^*Sigh* Yes but Veigar's is brilliant in teamfights since it can stun multiple targets and forces repositioning. That in itself is already better  than any point and click single target stuns, utility wise.

You give malzahar too much credit. Why aren't you complaining about Annie. She has huge burst with lvl 6 ignite, she won't push since she last hits with her Q (and usually doesn't run out of mana) and if you dare fight her, you might get dropped pretty quickly. But she can't escape without her flash and she is VERY predictable. If you're competent, the only case Annie can kill you with her combo is if she uses flash to engage (I'm talking laning phase here), which is a very risky maneuvre. It that regard she is really similar to Malzahar. High dmg, but very predictable. Stay back and farm as much as you can, ask for ganks. That's how you counter them. Don't feed and ask for jungler's help. They are old school mages that have the rule "Burst them before they burst me, since I can't really escape anyway". Same goes for Mordekayser. He has no CC, but he's pretty annoying to deal with his constant push and decent burst. But then again, he is jungler food. Same with all mid laners with no on demand CC's or dashes/jumps. Easy food for junglers. It is a teamgame and it is expected that the jungler would gank the lanes he SHOULD gank.

Don't complain of champions that barely even see daylight these days. 1v1 is not a thing to complain about, considering how LoL is a TEAM based game.