Talk:Zilean/@comment-24023648-20150511082713/@comment-25970203-20150609001820

And yet your fix seems to only make the problem worse from my perspective. Not saying the current ult is great but it is not as abusable as what your adding. Assume that fiora ends her blade waltz and now has to wait only 2s to do it again. That still has the whole double ulting scenario. Yeah it would take more skill or coordination, but it would still be abusable, and the worst case scenario would be really broken. much worse than the current ult in any amount of frustration because lets say trynd uses ult for 3 seconds spins to teams back line gets zil ulted survives then uses it again in a few seconds. You still get all the effects of double ulting and making larger unkillable times. at least with the current ult the down time gives some space to at least try to burst down the enemy squishies if they are close enough. the abuse case is an ideal scenario and needs coordination. Most importantly it requires the team to be doing something that is inherently counterproductive in most situations which is focusing a tank while not aiming for squishies. While it does get rid of this thing, excluding the unkillable ults lets just look at the frustrating ults that could be doubled. Doule Sej ult, double ashe ult, double rumble ult, double mundo ult, double hec ult, double xerath ult, double ziggs ult (oh god thinking of that wave clear makes me cry). A couple of these champions are so safe you wont be able to get to them anyway. Only way to prevent this is to exclude ults entirely. If you take into account the fact that some champions are defined by their ult, this makes it easier to understand that your zilean ult concept is basically just a massive delayed restoration which could only effect one champion. We already have that in janna's ult. its also a knock-back and doesnt give back resources, but its not a special and unique ult in such a way that I can find it worth putting into a kit as an ult. Maybe a weaker version without the spell CD for a passive, but not a new ult.