Talk:Kalista/@comment-26251295-20151108121611/@comment-24496127-20151112165244

You did, in fact, mention that you can't measure her strengths in how hard her autos crit for, I'm saying that I can. That said, you also stated that mobility gives the same sort of defense that range provides when that's so far from the truth it's almost painful. As for her mobility letting her dodge everything, how about you just look at a list of targetted abilities in the game? Great, a good amount of those have range equal to her. All that hits her. Every champion with large AoE CC or a gapcloser, that hits her. She's just as s ANY autoattack from an adc, which will hurt far more than hers if she isn't ahead, that hits her too. Actually, any sort of catch is equally good against her as well, Lux, Morgana, Blitz, unless there's already a fight going on she's not a mobile target to hit.

Lets just disregard all that stuff that does hit her though, and pretend she dodges everything until the enemy melts down her team. Later game, she'll always lose that battle with her build. If you want to argue her as "The Independent Adc", well, Vayne already does that better through playing safe, and kills those tanks and assassins much quicker than. If you nerf Kalista's range down, a Vayne could bully her early, a caitlyn would eat her alive, Draven would be even more of a nightmare, and she'd never get to be stronger than other adc's at any point, since her early-midgame is her time to build that advantage and she only gets weaker if not ahead.

Anything that can hit her with point and click burst counters her. Not just assassins. I don't get why you seem to think that I'm implying she's destroyed by anyone that can get in her range before she can start hopping, and by burst. Guess what, Talon, Katarina, Rengar, Diana, etc, they all outrange her jumping by a pretty significant amount, outright killing her before she can do anything if she tries to be independent.

I'd call my tone more condescending than anything, because you seriously stating that gutting her range wouldn't severely hurt her is probably the single most stupid thing you've I've heard you say, and I think you just don't understand what you're talking about in that regard. Being a smartass is cool and all, but there's plenty of example of nerfs to things that aren't the main strengths ruining a champ, so I don't know why you'd argue otherwise.