Talk:Garen/@comment-88.102.160.74-20120704102058/@comment-86.173.141.165-20120704170145

He also has no real gap closer. He suffers from the same problem as Udyr, except Udyr never dies ever. You're relying on somoene else to initiate for you, but you could just take someone as a top laner who initiates themselves. Like Udyr, or Shyvana. He functions similarly to Shyvana, but Shyvana does it better IMO. He also stops doing anything except spinning, so he doesn't AA, which severely reduces your damage output compared to Shy, who can wail in with her Q and E. And her ult is so much better for a bruiser, because it initiates, does damage and gives defensive stats, and makes everyone AoE.