Talk:Jax/@comment-222.124.44.118-20120408074335/@comment-4794115-20120413175625

Udyrs stuff may apply regardless of a dodge, but a tiger udyr attacking like twice a second, and you dodging all of that, which increases the damage dealt by it, is pretty handy to have.

and to OP's post, I prefer maxing w first, then I rush a sheen and then if you pop W on the aa that would also proc your ulti passive + sheen = super burst.