Talk:Irelia/@comment-94.192.16.137-20120318213348

What a lot of Irelia players seem to be saying: 1 - Irelia has been nerfed often,, 2 - Irelia was still balanced after these nerfs (i.e. she wasn't OP or UP), 3 - the latest nerf is too much, threatening to make her UP, or is undue / unnecessary.

I've noticed that Irelia players often condense this argument (which ought to be fleshed out, not condensed) to "better nerf Irelia". Unfortunately for all of you, the people who argued against this seem to have done a better job of winning Morello and the live design team around, probably because they actually argued their case well (there were a few threads after Hanover pointing out how Hotshot beat Irelia hard in lane but she still came back and bit hard, for example, that Morello seems to have taken notice of, since he cited Hanover as 'data' in favour of nerfing her).

The 'better nerf Irelia' joke was a bad mannered attempt to make the balance team look bad (and as if they had fallen foul of the joke) if they did nerf her, and from what I've seen Irelia players rarely argue their case well when they depart from this joke, they just fly off the handle and downvote everything on the forums that suggests she might be OP. If you REALLY believe the three points above, or some combination of them, then work with other Irelia players to build your case and to describe Irelia's state, past, present and future, in the game. The nerfs won't be reverted because you bitterly gather in groups on the Internet and say "better nerf Irelia", that should be clear now because it hasn't stopped the latest nerf from coming. I've done my part to campaign for Irelia nerfs on the forums, because I considered her OP - maybe I was wrong, and people who believe the three points are right, but if that's the case it should be possible to describe how and why this is the case. Irelia players need to step up their game if they want to convince anyone, not least Morello and the live balance team, that this nerf is unjustified and should be reverted, or even that Irelia will eventually need a counter-buff.