Talk:Caitlyn/@comment-6061249-20140506131012/@comment-7095057-20140512071705

There are a couple things wrong with that idea though. If you're playing where you can get ganked like that... well as an ADC you're doing something wrong:

1.If Noc ults before Leona engages, you should be immediately going back to your tower. The ONLY exception to this is if you know you can win a 3v2. Otherwise, you E back away from Leona and to your tower. You'd be out of range of Leo's ult (unless she flashes, in which case she won't hit her stun) There is no reason what so ever you should get ganked with Noc ulting in first.

2. If Leo flash ults, she shouldn't land her stun on anyone smart. You can also E back anyway, even if you get stunned you'll be closer to your tower and more away from her E or Q. The moment you see a leona flash, you E back (or backwards to the side, as almost all leona's ult behind the adc to try to predict the back up), same as the nocturn ult.

3. Post 6 if you're shoving the lane you're asking to be ganked, especially against Leona Noc. Post 6 you keep the lane in the center if possible and poke as needed. Push when you know you can win trades/know the jungler is somewhere else. Otherwise never push past the wall bush closest to you.

The other comments I have is:

Why max E? Order should still be R > Q > E > W. If you're maxing E for that damage then you're doing it wrong, since Q does more damage dead on, which you should be taking the chance to do anyway. If you're maxing for the cooldown then you're not being smart in your positioning since you're getting jumped too often. W maxing is rather silly since as short as the CD becomes, there isn't a good reason to really have the CD that low either.

And:

Leona already serves as a counter to Cait. As such you should be pressuring level 1 as soon as possible, and play considerably more passively afterwards. This should apply to any support, not just soraka.