Talk:Kha'Zix/@comment-9705522-20140227152648/@comment-9705522-20140302135153

actually, its the opposite. if he is an assasin, he is better in the jungle if he can jungle. its safer, he has easier time ganking and then there is the whole counterjungling and dueling thing. plus, it opens up mid for utility mages or gragas. the only reason why most assasins werent played in the jungle is ... well, because they werent good at it. the best one was zed, but he had sustain problems and mediocre ganks. besides, the point wasnt that both are assasins, but rather that both are kinda not assasin. they are more assasin fighter hyrbids. kha is leaning more towards fighter, with him having weak burst but strong sustained damage, while pantheon leans more towards assasin, having strong burst and decent sustained damage. and again, realistically, zed can only escape with his ult shadow, as he wont be able to be close enough anyway. in case of talon, hardly. he needs to use the second ult as quickly as possible to maximize damage. besides, there is little point in desperately surviving as talon, he cant do much for a while afterwards. elise is a tank. 1075 gap closer, yes, that requires sight of the enemy, doesnt land directly on top of him, is telegraphed, and she needs to get that close either way. its just ... slow. compare it to say, malphites ult. or hell, talons blink. she is a tank. she has high base values, but low scalings. she can deal a bit of burst, but her strongest quality is sustained damage. she has a bunch of utility. this just screams tank. she is closer to a malphite than she is to a ... hm. there arent really a lot of fighters left, so i have a hard time thinking of one. garen? no, tank. udyr i guess. oh and actually jungle panth gets 3 damage items. SoteL, hydra, and either last whisper or black cleaver. the reason isnt that he is transitioning from an assasin to a fighter, but rather the fact that he simply is an assasin fighter hybrid. he doesnt need that much damage to kill enemies, like kha does, and if he survives longer he can be more effective. its kinda hard to give a lcs example, as unlike kha pantheon actually was and is broken, and therefore is banned in nearly every game except for one where he snowballed so hard that going tanky is more effective, but yeah. as for the nerfs, the problem isnt that he is useless, the problem is that there is no reason to pick him over certain champions. in the jungle pantheon, because pantheon is just superior to him in every way, and in mid kat, because she does what he does better.