Talk:Veigar/@comment-5877442-20121224223609/@comment-62.1.231.76-20130127143758

Not a lot of people playing Veigar in competetive levels does not make Veigar unviable. Even LoL "pros" are not so pro: League of Legends is a relatively new game and, on top of that, Riot likes to make enormous changes to it each year.

For many highly opinionated players who do NOT play ranked games (the more power to them), theorycrafting about what works and what doesn't work in absurdly high-elo level (the level they will never reach) has become a kind of mental masturbation. The same scrubbie kind of people, when they also talk about cores and builds, imply high-end legendary items of the 3500+ price tag as "cores" and spout nonsense like "Infinity is core for Trynda cuz he then does ton of damage".

No shit, Billy Joe.

Veigar is League of Legend's ONE the ONLY true, in the strictest definition, AP hypercarry. This alone raises his threat level -and pressure against the enemy- to unfathomable heights. Veigar squishy? Oh really? You mean, you have NEVER been insta-gibbed -and humiliated- by a super squishy damage stacking opponent before in your life? You only die from Malphs and Garens? Katas and Akalis have never touched you before?

Survivability is very subjective. Veigar's survivability depends on several factors, and his player can min-max around it in several different ways. According to his enemies and the specific battle, Veigar needs different levels of survivability. Against AP stackers he only needs the very minimal, since he can survive by just blasting them to Yog-Sothoth's dimension in less than a second.

QuickSilver Sash again. Yes, it is a direct heavy counter to VERY specific things. However, one QSS in the enemy team does NOT make the difference. Just like one Banshee's Veil does not make the difference. QSS removes the stun, but what about the target spells? R and Q are always Veigar's greatest threats.

Veigar has everything you need except high mobility. Which you might need at different degrees, anyways. Veigar has a very specific position in his team, that of the DoTA-style hypercarry. Regardless of how he builds.