Talk:Vayne/@comment-26878675-20151003174824/@comment-5955640-20151005073527

As a person who plays as marksmen, tanks, and supports. I can say with full honesty that you need people like Vayne or Fiora to be the equalizer when you run into a team that wins because you literally can't kill the tanks for the reasons I state above. Endless CC and some of them are very large objects that physically block clicks, projectiles, and just generally get in your face and in the way and you'll have this maddening situation where you need to kill them and they don't die at all.

Now. Like I said. You have tanks that can take Vayne. But these tanks specialize in fighting rather than dispensing crowd control and thus with only a red trinket they can outtrade her.

You want to see a helpess Vayne? Play as Olaf and ult the second she tries to condemn you. Use the red trinket so she can't get away with stealth and as soon as you hit her with the undertow she's dead. She'll have to flash to survive.

I would add that all of the Juggernauts have Vayne's number. Rammus can be pretty fun if you have built Thornmail, Sunfire, Randuin's Omen, and a Liandry Torment on yourself. Defense curl and your Q have never hurt worse.

You have options as a tank but your job isn't killing her or getting poked well before a fight starts. It's going all in when everyone's ready and letting someone else do that job. Teamwork. It just takes two really.