Talk:Kayle/@comment-217.212.230.11-20130224171209/@comment-5606883-20130227084943

People still play Morde, he is a good counter to some of the strong AP mids (like Diana or Kass) the thing is that because of the new AD Bruiser meta, its harder to play him effectivly in the mid lane (and he gets destroyed top lane...or atleast I destroy them top lane, maybe I've been against bad Mordes- idk)

ANYWAYS back to the original statement: Kayle isn't uncounterable. The only reason people are saying that sort of thing is because 2 months ago, nobody had ever heard of Kayle. There were only a few people (myself, for one) that played Kayle- so because she was rarely played people didn't need to learn how she works and how to effectivly counter her. But once she was played in the tournaments, everyone saw that she actually -was- a very strong champion (she always has been, ever since her release in Beta).


 * Think of it like a new champion being released, nobody has every played against them, so they don't know how they work or their counters- so the QQers automatically call them "OP" just because they lost to them.

Kayle does have counters and is not OP. She is a squishy champion so she is vunerable to burst damage champs that can turn into dps (like Diana or Kha Zix), she is vunerable to poke champs (like Vlad or Anivia), she is vunerable to tanky champs (like Jarvin IV or Garen), and she is very vunerable to hard CC (such as Malphite's AS slow or Jax's stun).


 * AP Mid Kayle: Counters= Anivia, Kha Zix, Orianna, Jarvin IV, Diana.    Build an early Abyssal Scepter. Poke her constantly (don't get into trades though, Kayle is stronger in prolonged duels b/c of her passive) because if she spams her W (heal) she will go OOM quickly, which means she can't Q-->E combo you in a fight which will give you a huge advantage.


 * Solotop Kayle: Counters= Lee Sin, Vlad (high skill cap required), Garen, Malphite, Jax.   Once again, poke poke poke!  She has a heal but it has a high mana cost, and if she goes OOM you can win a trade with her.  Kayle solotop is strong because of her ulti, a good Kayle will save it to counter the other champion's high damage ability (right before Nasus' Q, during Fiora's ulti, during Darius' ulti, during Riven's ulti) because they expect her to die from that and go all in, but now Kayle has the advantage and is able to put out heavy dps and heal herself with her Q--E--W combo, winning all fights solotop is played by someone who is a good Kayle player.