Talk:Riven/@comment-60.241.125.152-20121030210327/@comment-4834593-20121102131243

I gotta disagree there.

Jayce is indeed a hard one. But never forget, abuse cooldowns whenever you can. If he misses his EQ ranged, or just stands still to autoattack you, jump on him with E and W. His only choice is to go melee and knock you back. If you time your E right (and of course also your W after that), you won't need a Q. After he knocks you back, you will need at most 2 Qs before you are in autoattack range. The third one is bonus damage then. If he goes melee and initiates, he's just dead. Also, go in at level 1 or 2 already, when you have your Q. Either he can't knock you back or he can't deal real damage to you. Last thing not to forget, if you ever get a full combo off, he's crying. R Flash W E after knocback Q Q Q R (with a bunch of autoattacks and an Exhaust or Ignite) will do this. And don't forget that that shield will block most of Jayce's E damage, as you won't be building health until midgame anyways (well, maybe you do build health in lane, but then you shouldn't even talk about who outlanes Riven and vice versa, as you still got a lot to learn about her).

As you say, Renekton destroys Riven when he his 3. That is not at the very start. So, what should Riven do? Q Q Q at level 1, try to autoattack in between. Repeat at level 2. Either Renekton is dead or he is too low on health to build Fury/attack Riven. I do say, however, that in this lane the most skilled player will most likely win.

Same with Jax. Beat the crap out of him before he hits level 3. Oh, yeah, and Jax isn't even dangerous at level 3. It's level 6 where he becomes dangerous. And if Jax uses his E, I just save those autoattacks for after all my ablities. I got 3 stacks on my passive, not just one.

One last thing, you seem to think W should be maxed on Riven. This is also a mistake. Depending on the situation, Riven can max her Q, her W or her E first. Her E is in a really hard lane, where you need to shield off as much as you can, W is if you want to burst and then run with Q, Q is for if you just want to deal as much damage as possible (390 + 2.1 per bonus AD is some insane damage in less than 2 seconds work).