Talk:Maokai/@comment-26128186-20170209011055/@comment-26203093-20170217023501

Well the problem with that is how different his kit is from normal vanguards. He has small aoe, single target cc, and an ult that reduces damage. I have a hard time calling him a vanguard, and even though he doesn't have that much damage, his sustain and single target focus makes him more like fighter/duelist to me. He doesn't set up his team the same way others do. He just homes in on the squishy and forces people to deal with him like a diver does, he doesn't CC the whole team with a malph ult to get his team into position.

If they take away some of that damage, it could make him dysfunctional for how he's played. He also has weirdly good base AD and AS scaling, making him good for slapping despite only scaling AP and having a cc kit.