Talk:Veigar/@comment-206.21.149.62-20120206164759

Veigar is the single most overpowered champion in the game right now. Here's why you don't know: you need to level Q last, and don't worry about counting APs. Everybody who discusses Veigar focuses on farming Q and the 80% opponent's AP aspect of his ult. Both are useless.

To play Veigar, you level W and E first. You push the lane or farm with W and you get kills with E.

The base damage and scaling on his ult are unprecedented, as are the numbers on Dark Matter for that matter (lol). The 80% of opponent's AP on his ult is completely superfluous. The "free" AP from Q is also superfluous. All you need to know is 320 (1.0+) damage on W and 500(+1.2) on R. Around level 13-14 you will have a DFG and you can kill anybody, including the tank, by yourself. It is completely impossible for the enemy to dragon fight or team fight you because you can just kill anybody. Late game you can't engage on his team because he will just stun bait you, drop a bomb on you and either go in for the kill or run.

He can do all this on his own, but if his team stacks with stunners like Sona, Udyr, it's just ridiculous, because they can chain their stuns together, making it impossible to escape Dark Matter and in fact allowing Veigar to kill somebody before his cage even expires.