Talk:Zilean/@comment-24952680-20150225192658/@comment-24952680-20150226153330

YourPrivateNightmare: so you like nautilus? wow, point and click ult and 300% ap burst, no counterplay and morbid mobility with q, braum's damage is far off the charts while being tanky and the passive! and ap nami is really powerful, just AA everyone and press W for heals and muh damage.

zilean actually >had< to walk into 650 range area. 650! that's the double of ashe's w. vayne can E zilean from 50 units more. his Q is useful now only for zoning, has... more? counterplay but it's his ONLY DAMAGE ABILITY and you've missed that part.

Krufix: seems like you haven't ever played him in before judging from your edit history

Sortitus: thanks for your words, actually the only change I like here is the R cooldown change; you don't have to spam W now, but that gives you less incentive to E-W spam.

(also I lied, I like his new ability visuals as well)