Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-76.2.108.91-20120911124249/@comment-90.13.250.190-20120911152906

58 /42?? either youu looked that up on lolking or you're just making numbers up..

but yeah riven > jarvan: his slow doesn't do much, riven dashes and dashes are not slowed, riven can cut through his ult with her broken wings if i recall well also.

pre 6 jarvan can win if he stays out of riven's danger zone ( the zone in which she can dash on him with valor and be melee) while harassing with Q only, if she dashes on you using  valor + broken wings  you just avoided damage from broken wings and some  passive procs making the trade better.

Q/E seem nice but against riven you'll get oom and she won't, also she'll hit you in the back thanks to dashes after you shield

the issue is post 6 at equal gear she stomps jarvan: 20% AD with her passive and her ult dealing as much as jarvan added to that + manaless and ridiculously low CD + ad ratio shield

jarvan can still deal with her by passive farming and only Q harass while playing safe

if you want to win lane it's another story :

Q at level 1 and hit the creeps  + riven right when you go then back and PUSH  as fast as you can, faster then her ! ( you really should always push at level 1 instead of last hiting, the thing is the first who gets level 2 gets free harass and 2 abilities on the other because 1) stronger 2) more creeps on your side and a kill there wins you the lane: he'll come back at level 1 without any gear but pots.. and you'll be 3, thats when you stop pushing and last hit to deny the other top.)

remember, riven wins at equal skill, but you can still outplay her.