Talk:Swain/@comment-3977522-20111219140723/@comment-3977522-20111220133052

karthus's passive on defile is better and worse than swains passive, it grants mana near to the cost of lay waste of the same level, but only when toggled off, so it is only useful early game becuase late game it is nearly always toggled on. so although swains passive restores less it is more consistent, but still, you don't get enough mana from it to sustain your ult for more than 3 ticks of damage (which, lets face it, isn't enough damage)