Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-3546228-20110816121312/@comment-98.252.26.207-20110819055326

Oh, and sorry for posting three times! I just saw this.

The anon directly under me who said that Courage was enough to stop the burst from casters - that's great to know. In fact, in my opinion, this is all the more reason to build Spirit Visage and max your CDR.

I've been trying all kinds of stuff here, CDR runes versus Spirit Visage, Mercury's Treads, etc. and it doesn't add up. Shielding runes and Spirit Visage I think give you the most bang for your buck.

So with shielding runes and Spirit Visage, you might not need anymore magic resist with on-demand Courage, so that would be a good way to fit a Last Whisper into the build.

Ionian Boots, Ghostblade, Spirit Visage, Atma's Impaler, Bloodthirster, Last Whisper. Something like that. HP is relatively low, armor/MR is relatively low, effective health is relatively low, but it might do some damage.

I doubt it's worth the sacrifice, though. 339 AD with 51 flat armor penetration and 40% armor penetration. Would need testing.

I'm tired and not sure if I can come up with anything better tonight.

Atma's Impaler would still be a good buy here because it helps round out your armor and also provides a decent amount of extra damage.

So now you have on-demand Courage to protect you. 2,433 HP. 156 armor, 138 MR. 40% CDR. 51 flat armor penetration, 40% armor penetration. 339 AD. Total cost is just over 13,000g not counting any Doran's Blades bought and sold beforehand.

That's pretty strong because it basically means that anyone with 150 armor basically has 60 armor against you. Can it survive in a team fight, though? I have no idea.

Sunfire might also be a better option than Atma's here, but it lowers your damage pretty substantially at level 18.

You could replace shielding runes with CDR runes and get a Banshee's Veil in place of the Spirit Visage, though you're paying a lot more for only 3 extra damage from Atma's and 4 less overall MR. It still gives you slightly more effective health.