Talk:Nocturne/Strategy/@comment-128.189.216.136-20121011230322

Am I the only one who thinks the recommended basic jungle route is totally bogus? Why not just:

Wolves -> Blue (Smite) -> Wraiths -> Wolves -> Red (Smite) -> Wraiths/Golems (for 4) depending on which lane you want to gank? A lot more flexible in terms of ganking (you can interrupt to gank mid at 2 or 3 if you like), you don't have to waste a huge amount of time going back, and I'm usually pretty healthy with boots/3, 12 ArPen/14% Aspd, 9/21/0, enough to gank at least.

The build I've been having a fair amount of success with lately is boots 3 then rush wriggles. Follow with HoG, Oracles too if you're doing very well, then Aegis. From there on I usually grab Phage or Warden's Mail and the game generally doesn't last long enough for me to finish either, but I'm very sure Randuins will keep me scaling enough and from then on I can just react to who's fed.

I guess if you have a tanky support, top and tanky-ish mid you could go for more damage but in my experience no one generally wants to build tanky so I always get pushed into this build. Otherwise I'd probably go 21/9 and grab some more damaging items, but they never seems really necessary. Nocturne already has multiplicative scaling built into his kit (AD steroid, AS steroid, passive 20% AD steroid scaling off of AS) so his damage doesn't seem like it'd need a ton of help.