Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-25912163-20150203032206

Can people stop asking for nerfs before lee becomes shit tier? he is not a top tier jungler now and you still want nerfs. look at lcs no one is playing him. i dont even need to mention his soloq as it is as bad as it always was. people tend to forget how useless he becomes in mid-late game. and if you are dying to his ganks, trying getting wards maybe? he has one of the lwoest win rates, worst sustain and clear and overall scaling. some junglers who are much better than him in competitive are: olaf, vi, j4, reksai, nunu, and he is pretty even with elise. in soloq some junglers who are better than him are: udyr, master yi, warwick, rengar, vi, shaco, wukong, sejuani, fiddlesticks, hecarim, xin, jax, olaf, pantheon, rammus, nasus(try it if you dont believe me) and even god damn poppy.

The only part of him which might be considered somewhat toxic is how good he is at towerdiving if he knows what he is doing. however this requires somewhat good knowledge of lee unless the enemy is a retard and it is very comparible to that of vi j4 and post lvl 6 ww.

I am not someone who fails with him. i have 64% win rate and 3.5 kda with him, but this is only because i gank the shit out of lanes 24/7 with gank roots that are not popular on soloq. and as a somewhat okay lee player i feel useless around min 15. u cant keep up in farm with other junglers no matter how much kills you have. and mid game 3 kills>early game 8 kills so he requires his teammates to not screw up and relies on them as he cannot carry himself which is abyssmal in soloq.