Talk:Shen/@comment-3554826-20110914074307/@comment-89.167.76.163-20110914114246

I actually agree with OP here, those "buffs" are indeed pretty useless. His Q at rank 1 is still mostly worthless, it's Energy cost is way to high to be an effective harassment tool, it's damage is not greater than your autoattack+Passive damage so it's rarely a last-hitting tool and it's ability to sustain you in lane is highly questionable, since you have to get into a meele range of the creeps, making yourself vulnurable to harassment from ranged Champions in lane - Regrowth Pendant seems like a much better tool to sustain yourself in lane.

As for the AP builds, there was some debate about getting Rylai's or Abyssal Scepter, and I guess there will indeed be more builds including AP items. Rylai's for example is a tiny bit more viable now, since it has quite a bit of HP on it, 120 Shield power to Shen's Ultimate and adds a ranged Slow, but I still think it's an item to get in a very relaxed, "already-won" game, rather than serious ones.

To conclude - saying that he's in any way a better Tank than he was before is a pure nonsense and for the most part, those so-called buffs are irrelevant.