Talk:Garen/@comment-4094339-20120913200540/@comment-58.172.169.27-20120915121740

@ Irish (I'm the third anon)

I love bruisers too and I'd really hate to see them nerfed just because they are enjoyable, and rewarding, and different to play every game. I hope that instead of nerfing bruisers, they provide more options/utility/itemization for other classes so that AD carries dont have to build the exact same six items every game.. even AP carries don't have it as bad.

I still feel like people overestimate bruiser power early-mid game. Many bruisers are highly reliant on farm, as much if not more than ADC/APCs because they need the right mix of tankiness and specific offensive stats to be effective in fights. Yes, melee bruisers can easily outdps a ranged carry in a straight fight, at lvl 1, but in reality the bruiser will have to chase the carry to get any damage off, putting them in the way of minions/turrets/ganks/teammates. Add that to the escape mechanisms or CC of picked AD carries (Graves/Ez/Corki/Ashe/Trist) and the CC of pretty much every single AP champ, and you see that bruisers really aren't that strong early-mid, where damage sources outside of champions are really more relevant. Kiting balances bruisers out (especially Udyr/Garen - well, Garen not so much now with that Q buff), because most of the time, they will not be hitting their full theoretical damage output.