Talk:Garen/@comment-26859675-20160807132747/@comment-28465461-20160808055041

He does need a buff... a proper rework rather.

The main problem with him is his passive... I never seen it anywhere near useful because to use this passive means you got to be posisitoned far from the minion wave if your opponent is constantly harrassing him (like GP) or not be anywhere near opponents because you will be trading or getting harrassed. As well as the rest of his kit it doesn't work well with it as he needs to be in melee range to use them, not his passive. This kind of passive would be better on a ranged champion, like Anivia or soraka, where they can safely harrass and slowly recover health, for melees you will never be able to use it because you will take hits, unless he wants to back off and just go heal for 1 minute after his passive kicks in. Not to mention that pre-level 11 you can't use it in the jungle either. There is nothing good about this passive for garen and it should be changed.

Now for added the passive on his courage is somewhat an example of how all those stack addicts should have such a passive (nasus, veigar, sion, thresh). Yet the problem is, it caps to only 30 armor and magic resist when he kill 120 units. That's actually not a reasonable number given that garen have to invest in both damage and defense to remain relevant.

Now for the ultimate, the mechanic is rather stupid. And why in the world that darius have a true damage ult that scales off of AD and bleed stacks (it also resets on kills), while garen have this execute magic damage that does not scale? It makes no sense. I hate true damage but garen deserves the true damage on his ult. I hate garen's ult passive, that karma passive... Get it? Karma passive? I don't see karma with this passive, but it is on garen. Rito logic.