Talk:Vladimir/@comment-211.30.1.169-20130126060722/@comment-4659726-20130126084252

Sure you do, and the fact that you only get 25 AP from warmogs definitely gives you the damage you need.

It isn't like I could buy a Revolver+Kage's and get the same amount of AP and some gold generation for about 1.96k instead of 2.65k which is soon to be 2.8 due to warmog's nerf on pbe.

Rabadon's is core, you NEED that damage to be relevant mid game as well as scale into late game.

Core: boots Revolver, (maybe kage's depending on game), Deathcap. From there good items(but situational) to get are Rylai's, Zhonya's, Void Staff, Liandry's (retested and if you get Rylai's it is worth it in this hp stacking meta). Oh and Abyssal. Note: Doran's shield is not a bad buy if it is vlad top/vlad vs a physical damage mid.

What you get from revolver+kage's+deathcap (assuming say..lvl 13 for mid game) 40+25+120+13+6+15 (last two are runes/masteries) = 219*1.3 = 284.7 *1.4 398.58 bonus hp. And you do damage. Sure it costs more than warmog's but the only other item you could possibly get with the difference in price is something in the 1315 price difference is a blasting wand. 40 AP and no passive from deathcap.

It is entirely possible to get tons of health while going a full AP build. For example, Sorc's, Wota, Deathcap, Rylai's, Zhonya's, Liandry's. Total AP without passive = 80+120+80+100+60+15+18+6 = 479. Add in hp -> Ap from just items that is +7.5+12.5 = a total of 499 *1.3 = 648.7 AP which gives you *1.4 hp = 908 hp.

Your total bonus hp is 908+500+300+108 (def mastery)+30 = 1846.18. If that isn't enough bonus hp I don't know what is. If we went with the highest possible Ap build that you suggest. Wota, Warmog's, Liandry's, Rylai's, Deathcap we would have...

80+25+67.5+92.5+120+6+18+15 = 424*1.3 = 551.2*1.4 = 771.68

771+500+300+1000+108+30 = 2710 hp. You trade about 100 Ap for what equals about 900 hp and warmog's passive. Not to mention you probably have near 4k hp with a full AP build. Why would you need 5k hp when you can just build pure damage and still get around 3-4k hp?

What I am trying to say here is that positioning > stats for survivability. If you have good positioning it will be difficult for them to hit you and therefore make your extra hp all that more worth it. Positioning is very noticable when you use your W as well. If you did it right they should be being kited and taking damage and as soon as they think they have you, you get to escape and kill them/kite them some more.