Board Thread:Wiki discussions and announcements/@comment-1990160-20140521040036/@comment-1330314-20140523143940

Deshiba wrote: I'm not claiming any high ground, I'm referring to a time where we voted on issues. This is a fact of history you can't ignore.

Are you seriously trying to pull real-life democracy into this? You do realize that wikis aren't, and never have been, a democracy, right?

Deshiba wrote: I don't cheat any data. I just include grays from both sides in my interpretation instead of only black and white. If you choose to ignore that there are people who have additional feelings and thoughts of wanting to change GE on top of being for or against it's removal, then that's your prerogative. Because strictly speaking people that 'want to keep it as it is now' and people that 'want to keep it with change/addition' are not the same thing.

It's the difference between "Don't change a thing", "Make adjustments" and "Remove it".

Yeah, except that the "grays from both sides" are completely irrelevant to the issue being decided. You're the one ignoring the fact that the people who want changes to gold efficiency are still opposed to its removal. That is the core issue here, not the subject of change. I am fully aware of the people willing to change gold efficiency, and would like to discuss the issue in the relevant thread, but that's not what this thread is about.

Deshiba wrote: And I would like it if you would stop using offensive words like "Cheat", assaulting my character on a personal level doesn't gain you anything.

I would, but then you'd have to apologize for calling me a moral purist, treating Yatsura like a child, and making this discussion all about you. I also consider deliberately circumventing the rules of a system for personal purposes to be cheating. I'm not calling you a cheat, I'm saying you're not evaluating the votes you yourself counted with complete honesty.

Feirund wrote: 1. Do you ever (ever) use cost-efficiency to determine your builds?

2. Do you even sodding remember the term by the time you've logged into your client?

3. Has cost efficiency changed your playstyle or itemization AT ALL and if so, how?

4. Do you even understand what building a theroy is really supposed be like or do you just use this misterm of 'theorycrafting' as an excuse?

5. Do you realize that keeping it isn't just about keeping it, but also maintaining it, questionable data that people will have to busy themselves over with every change in item prices or base stat value (as determined by cost-efficiency) when the editors already have to do a lot of constant, far more relevant maintenance?

You could easily have answered all of these questions just by looking at Shaw's post 5 posts above yours, but I can answer these for you:
 * Yes, in very specific cases. I used to think was the only good item for attack speed and crit on an ADC, before I realized that  actually gave me far more raw stats for the gold I was paying, and therefore was a better pick on late-game carries like  and . Even if I did not, that would not invalidate the usefulness of gold efficiency.
 * 1) Yes. Proper questions please.
 * Yes, see #1.
 * 1) At no point was theorycrafting mentioned here. Your question is loaded and irrelevant to the discussion.
 * 2) I consider gold efficiency to be important to this wiki on the same level as other important sections, and gold efficiency itself tends to change so little that it's not particularly high-maintenance. You framed your question as if we were low on editing manpower, which is blatantly false.