Talk:Shyvana/@comment-77.28.214.181-20120422185500/@comment-4834593-20120424051913

I've never had that much problems with Shyvana... So I dont see it. And afaik, her Q does not reduce it's own cooldown. Plus, with Olaf/Ashe/Teemo/any other damage dealer with slow/movement speed buff you can still outrun Burnout. Also, you are talking about her dragon form. She can't be in dragonform all the time. Stay away from her while she is, and when she is not, her E is only a skill shot. You have to be a noob to get hit by it. Also, as you can see above, that 15% of the abilities damage is NOTHING, if you don't get hit by her too often, which is just plain noobish. Mark above your head? retreat until it is over. You have 4-8 in which she can't use it again. And about Burnout (again), the movement speed is reduced over time. On level 5, after 4 seconds (normal duration), it only has a 26% bonus. After the max duration of 8 seconds, it only has a 13-14% bonus. She can't keep up with a carry with that, except with a Frozen Mallet. And ever noticed her ulti is her only (crappy) cc? She needs a Frozen Mallet/exhaust to be dangerous, and both only work if she is close. If you have a slow/snare/stun/etc, and you use it when she uses burnout, she can't do anything with it. If you have a movement speed buff/random dash, neither. Burnout has a 12 second cooldown. So you got, that way, 8 seconds she can neither run nor chase. Wait, yes, her ult gives a free defense boost. Olaf ult gives a free attack boost that is stronger than this defensive one. Plus it can make him IMMUNE to cc for 6 seconds, also increasing his armor and magic resist by THREE TIMES the bonus Shyvana gets. It's clear which one is stronger. On level 6, Olaf ult penetrates exactly Shyvana's bonus armor, on level 11, he penetrates 5 more, on level 16 10 more. He activates it? Triple Shyvana's amount. When I am fighting a Shyvana who plays jungle, I place a ward (or, actually, my support does), and we are safe. When I am fighting a Shyvana in top lane, I make sure to dodge her E, and harras her from range (if I have), and attack her when I think I will win. Burnout? How about walking in and directly walking away, to walk in again after it is over?

I'd think it's clear that she is not OP. I would even say she's an easy counter for Olaf. Harras with axe, dodge her E (it's easy to see it come, because she cant shoot through minions), when you get in a close fight (when her E is on cooldown of course), activate W, spam Q, E and basic attacks, after level 6, activate your ult. Shyvana is dead, you live. Easily.