Talk:Riven/@comment-24496127-20160913014346

I think the worst part of learning Riven is that moment when you finally get most of her nuances down, start really winning games, and then play against something like Irelia, and realize that no amount of animation cancelling or outplaying is going to let you beat her once she gets triforce.

Actually, assuming you can't stomp the Irelia hard enough early, either due to jungle pressure or Irelia just properly playing passive, what are you supposed to do? Is there a build that lets you fight her, or some sort of trick to it? Assuming you're both about even and have one or two items. Anything later than that and it's less of a fight and more of a onesided stomp where Irelia stuns then bursts you.