Talk:Zyra/@comment-31044841-20180914095056/@comment-28977071-20180930092936

+1 for building, it's imo a very strong pick for any. Beside all the good stats, its active was and still is amazing.

As for, ye, my personal opinion is that it's indeed a trap. Under most circumstances I strongly discourage from building both and  (I'm repeating myself cuz I already wrote this few threads ago on this champ's page..) on anything else than bulks (who can afford to be all-rounders). The two do not synergize that well and most importantly, you're trying to build a jack-of-all-trades then. Not good for anything or anyone supposed to provide dmg. Dmg requires specialization. Better to pass all-roundedness to utility-focused teammates (s, non-dmg s, etc.) imo.

with are for shredding bulks. with are for bursting squishies, plus a counter to. You can pick one that seems of utmost importance, and stick to it. Trying to do everything won't do much good to your itemizations' efficiency.

Sure, likes MPene but if you can already burst a carry with 2 pene items, three'd be an overkill (and you can still take  or something instead of that 3rd item..).