Talk:Udyr/@comment-5256197-20160217080603

I wouldn't ever have thought of seeing Udyr nerfs, but here they come to your nearest PBE server soon.

20 points of max base values shaved off of turtle and phoenix. That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Like Udyr himself was a problem, and not Zz'Rot and Runic Echoes.

Just remove Zz'Rot and put more power to Sunfire. Zz was invented for lane tanks to have more pushing power, not for Udyr to push two lanes at the same time. Sunfire would do the same thing but you have to be actually there to push.