Talk:Renekton/@comment-5009341-20120418075635/@comment-62.150.205.28-20120418170136

So this is just a list of his "weaknesses" and doesn't even go through his strengths? (pretty bad list too)

He is arguably one of the best early-mid game champs in the game. Very few champions will win lane against him, even with the nerfs on his Q (which were very much needed). So you want him to also be unstoppable late-game too?

Have you even seen how much damage his W does with dps items? It's crazy, and all with just one point in it. So he CAN be the hard carry you want him to be, it's just that if you build him like that then he will explode in 1 second in a teamfight and will not be able to do anything to a proper ranged AD carry.

His passive is not just the fury system, but also the extra effects when fury is > 50 (which are pretty damn good). Though the extra gain while <50% hp is very unnoticed.

Now, you mention how his name/effects/etc are aimed at being a super offensive murderer so he should be something along the lines of Tryndamere who will massacre an entire team if left unattended? That is complete bullshit. This is the game where a weird fish-thing has one of the highest bursts in the game with move names such as "Playful/Trickster". Did i forget to mention his name is Fizz? Fizz. Almost as retarded as Volibear. And then you have a ninja turtle in disguise as one of the best late-game duelists. Character design has nothing to do with their role in the game. And even if he was advertized as a hard carry, Irelia was supposed to be an assassin but she ended up as one of the best offtanks in the game (better nerf Irelia).

They never took away his damage, sustain or his role. The community did. We decide what works best with a champion and it sticks. Quite a while ago AP Gragas was a troll build and his only accepted role was that of an AD bruiser. Now look at him.

Long post. I know. But I needed to make it clear that the original poster is being way too pessimistic. Does Renekton need buffs? Maybe in some areas, but he's nowhere near as bad as op makes him to be.

tl/dr: Renekton is fine as is. OP is just QQing while ignoring his strengths.