Talk:Maokai/@comment-87.172.193.196-20120518022237/@comment-68.98.9.242-20120522203143

That's assuming your getting a full build. And until you get those items you can't survive in the middle of a fight very well, even with zhonyas/roa you still won't be overly tanky as you don't have much mr and roa is your only health (even zhonyas doesn't give huge armor, only 5 more than a chainvest alone).

Also people can just...avoid the saplings...it's pretty obvious that your stacking them when you throw them into the same spot every time your saplings finish their cooldown. And then if they don't walk into the spot where your continously throwing sapling after sapling (where minions also cannot pass by or else the saplings will kill themselves) then your wasting his no so great mana pool. Also if your not in range to immediatly root them next to the saplings, they can bait the saplings after them at the max range the saplings start chasing so that they just harmlessly explode. Which again wastes large amounts of moa's mana.

I mean you MIGHT catch 1-2 people in the game in it, but it's just gimicky and if someone's competent they won't get caught by it. It's like ap shaco, throw a ward and not walk into where you see the boxes and suddenly that champion isn't doing anything.