Talk:Karma/@comment-5849687-20150531162848/@comment-3546228-20150601034748

I used to jungle the original Karma, then after she got remade I kept jungling her so I have a pretty solid grasp of Karma's jungle viability.

After the soft rework this patch, her jungle is pretty much unchanged. The W damaging minions doesn't help her that much early on - the damage is really small and you should be maxing Q first, because it gives superior clear speed. The Mantra W heal  you get doesn't matter, unless you're dying - you want to be using mantra on Q because it deals more damage (and W doesn't get bonus damage from Mantra anymore).

Overall I'd say her jungle is a little weaker - mainly because she lost the bonus damage on Mantra W, so she can't duel as well at lvl 3 to 5 anymore. When she gets an AP item she picks up pace and gets better, but her early jungling is definitely suffering from those changes. Her late game got improved a ton though, mainly because of the improved Mantra E and W root duration.