Talk:Jax/@comment-5211662-20140630081120/@comment-4167645-20140701043742

Lamka... have you never been on the receiving end of a Jax top lane? Your counterarguments are all using comparisons wrong.

2) He is an auto-attack champ, therefore must have high damage and relies on items? Lackluster early game? He destroys any top laner at lvl 1 with his dodge stun, which gets worse when he gets his AA reset and a jump. An AA champion is Fiora, Tryndamere, Master Yi, Poppy. Give these people a reliable stun+dodge, and maybe you can make the comparison.

3) What is this argument? You can't mitigate Jax's damage, but he is hard countered by being killed before a fight begins. EVERYONE is countered by dying before a fight. EVERYONE.

4) Counterstrike is there to assist in surviving? A dodge, thats fine. A stun, thats fine. A stun and a dodge, with no channelling? That I'm not fine with. If Jax wasn't able to attack while using counterstrike that may be more manageable. But right now its him smacking you for 2 seconds, and then smacking for another 1 second while you're stunned, while you can't do anything in retaliation unless you have a stun that lasts 2 seconds so he can't just jump back on you and stun you. A 1 second stun just won't cut it.

5) What clear weaknesses? The fact that he can only kill you once before needing to go back? If you go top lane, you're most likely the type of champ Jax counters. His only weakness is a ranged champion, that is beefy, and has CC. Theres like.... only 1 person in the entire game that fulfills that entire list. Ryze. So if you picked Ryze, congrats you countered Jax. If not, then you suck, because you didn't pick Ryze.