Talk:Riven/@comment-6048945-20130331183312/@comment-7633726-20130408045545

I get that she has multiple gap closers, but they're all pretty short range, she has no poke at all, and a half decent mid laner can rape her and keep her shut down from the word go. I suck with Elise mid (I play her top!) I've gone mid with her once against Riven. I got her so shut down, she and her team surrendered. Granted, I mained Elise at the time. However, Elise against a proper mid champion can't hold a candle because she's half melee, and a mid champion worth half their place in League can out range her fairly easily. People always say that a champion is only as long range as their shortest range ability, so that would be Venomous Bite at 475. Riven on the other hand is melee range at all times, and her shortest range ability is Ki Strike at 125, which is her AA range. Even her Broken Wings only has a range of 260 each dash, so if you combine all three, that's 780. Valor has 325. still not that good. Basically, Riven mid is never a good idea because she'll always be out ranged and therefore at a bad disadvantage. No poke, all melee range, and while yes, very mobile, she just can't handle mid lane angainst a proper mid laner worth anything. Oh wait, Katarina's melee too? She's got a 675 range poke. Akali? 600 range poke. Diana? 830 range poke. Kayle? Oh she can extend her AA range to 525 for 10 seconds, AND has a 650 range poke. So tell me again how Riven isn't garbage mid? I just cannot see how it's viable at all. Top lane Riven, awesome. Jungle Riven, awesome. Mid lane Riven? No. There are so many better champions for mid lane. I would rather dodge a game than have a Riven going mid, because any mid laner worth their account, will murder Riven.