Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-108.230.32.209-20120724010054/@comment-82.47.159.170-20120726080530

I thought that the general conception (at least when Darius was released) was that Jarvan counters Darius? That's at least what people were saying on forums. It's also kinda easy to understand as Jarvan has great burst and is able to attack and quickly disengage if needed meaning Darius's passive won't be nearly as effective as vs other champions. That depends on how you play Jarvan though. I know that top players recently started to play him as an ad caster with awesome burst damage instead of bruiser/tank like it was popular before. Q + Brutalizer + armor penetration with runes ensures you win almost every trade. Until you get to 5v5 team fights you will not need huge tankyness especially if you already have good initiation in your team. Getting standard philo and/or heart of gold against Darius is flat out bad if you want to win the lane not just survive.

I only played twice with Jarvan against Darius (usually I take Kayle against him), but I won easily with that ad caster build you can find on solomid website. Though this build and playstyle means you are less usefull in late game. That's why I would take someone like Kayle, who scales like a typical ad carry or Olaf who becomes a beast just with CDR + health items.

But then again I never thought Darius was a particularly hard champion to counter. You will find that most champions in solo top, such as Kennen, Kayle, Renekton, Jax, Riven and Jarvan can counter him or at least survive while adding reasonable amount of CC/utility to your team later on. Darius in late game changes into ulti bot so it's not so good unless you already have CC heavy team and all you need is pure damage (rare in solo q though)