Thread:Denevir/@comment-1990160-20161110152253/@comment-1990160-20161111174714


 * "the 'established style' isn't what's causing having to perform wiki-wide renovations in the first place."

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. The current system works, and is already a revamp from the original methodology copy-pasting of patch notes & maintains a reasonable consistency.


 * Listen Teh, this is not a history book, this is a goddamn Rosetta stone written in every single dead language there is. I'm using every ounce of gray matter to decode that mess called 'patch history' in order to make it at least somewhat understandable. I did what had to be done, and that is the right thing.

I have difficulty comprehending your meaning here. The wiki serves a few different uses, with different considerations:


 * As an active resource for the game community, it requires maintenance/upkeep in order to stay relevant.
 * As a site that people use, it should be accessible and visually appealing site (design). The ability templates were overhauled previously and the champion page layouts at various points. I lean towards conservatism, but I've heard rumors of an anime wiki where an admin/bureaucrat sysop-locked all pages saying that "they were done".
 * As a source of documentation (patch history, lore, art, etc.), it should be clear and correct, which leads us to...


 * Saying in 50 words what you can in 5 is not 'reducing clarity' or 'removing information', it's pulling the unnecessary weeds and leaving only the pretty flowers, you know, the ones that actually matter. Or else why do you think I've spent close to a year converting pages? Because copypasting from one place to the other and calling it a day is not a solution.

Uh, yeah, copy-pasting is bad. But they aren't copy-pastes any more, and trimming away useful details is also bad. Looking at your changes to V1.0.0.125 here, changing "Base armor"->"armor" and "Mana cost"->"cost" is a loss of information. "Base armor" is exact terminology, but "armor" refers to the general stat rather than a specific value. "Cost" could refer to either health or mana. I will not be conceding this point.

"Bug fix: Reducing true damage" just isn't descriptive enough. It could easily be misunderstood as "this skill was reducing E's true damage". Your efforts, though well-intentioned, are overzealous in their subtraction.


 * Having close to 5000 redirects of which only 5% are really useful and calling it 'acceptable' is not, it means your backyard is the Amazonian rainforest, wildlife included. On a house you visit once in a blue moon (because just now you noticed?)

The current number of redirects is exactly 4198. Perhaps something should be done about them, but that merits its own forum discussion. My opinions are as follows:


 * Acceptable: abbreviations (ex. Cass), alternate capitalizations (ex. Ability Power), abilities (ex. 90 Caliber Net), skins, alternate names (ex. Crit chance), various terms existing in-game not deserving their own page but contribute to SEO (ex. Armored Bear Hater)
 * Borderline: terms not in high usage (ex. ASPD)
 * Should probably be gone: redirects of old champion style pages (ex. Annie the Dark Child/Background, makes up maybe 5% of the total redirects), other things
 * I too understand the value of doing site maintenance on the wiki. But if one purges all redirects, then they should be prepared to also handle Special:WantedPages.
 * SEO is a thing. However it is that that works. It benefits traffic and keeps the corporate overlords a little happier.
 * The only people who notice redirects or the back end of things are something like <0.1% of the wiki. Of this relatively invisible maintenance, there are some parts that can be easily fixed/optimized (double redirects, broken redirects, uncategorized pages/files), but also much larger ones not nearly as trivial to correct (wanted pages, template categorization) which have much worse effort to payoff ratios.

I maintain my position that the changes to Olaf/History were detrimental and more restraint is better than none.