Talk:Shyvana/@comment-4677525-20120308100402/@comment-4677525-20120308195635

Thanks for the feedback! The hit-and-run concept that you talked about indeed does seem to be prevalent in Shyvana's playstyle (similar to Warwick running in with Hungering strike and a couple of autoattacks and just backing off). Also, I did forget to mention that because of Twin Bite she can kill enemy wards placed in front of her immediately without Oracles (before they become stealthed) which is another advantage.

However, in my experience, it seems that her early game advantages are weak without good teammates. Whenever I jungle as Trundle against Shyvana, many times she invades my jungle without any help thinking she can out-duel me. However, all I have to do is use Contaminate to outrun her or use Pillar to wall her off until Burnout wears off and then I can beat her easily. With a more mobile champ like Lee Sin or Shaco it is simply impossible without help. Similarly in lanes, she can't do anything to lock an enemy champ without coordination.

In teamfights, while her ult can push her right into the team, a simple stun, snare, knockup or knockback can cripple her usefulness and take her out of the fight almost entirely. She has to work hard put herself at melee range if she fails her ult gap-closer, which can be entirely avoided with good positioning. Playing against her as Lee Sin is my favorite because if she ults I just kick her out of the fight and she loses valuable time running back in at which point the carries may already be dead. However, if supplemented with another strong initiator, like Galio ulti or Ashe ulti or Wukong ulti, this weakness becomes a lot less of a problem (hence reliance on team comp to be effective).

I think of her as a more extreme Trundle, without a coordinated team Trundle can do alright (mainly because of pillar being so useful) but his strengths are not as easily apparent. Similarly, Shyvana has even more destructive potential than Trundle with a great team but a much greater fallout than Trundle with an uncoodinated one. Am I wrong in this conclusion? If I am, give me a counterexample as these are just my observations.