Talk:Lucian/@comment-10477394-20150802073251/@comment-10477394-20150820030105

@Odaswifteye

Everything you're saying is objectively false, and you come across like someone in bronze honestly who has no concept of the game.

Lucian was never strong in all phases off the game. His late game has always been garbage. Lucian's catch was his strong laning and mid-game in exchange for his subpar late-game (500 range is absolutely terrible. In late-game teamfights as Lucian you will basically die to super tanks or get one-shot by mages whenever you get in damage range outside of using R. His E doesn't even cleanse slows anymore. And past 30 minutes hypercarries match or exceed your damage while being 200/300 range safer such as Kogmaw, Tristana, Jinx, and Twitch and having tank killing mechanics such as true damage, % damage, armor reduction and so on). Lucian's niche in exchange for a lack of scaling like the 4 champions above? He was supposed to beat all of the above hypercarries in lane. Now that they castrated Lucians laning with the passive nerf not only does he not have a good late-game, but he has a subpar early game too. Even hypercarries like Jinx can outlane Lucian now while vastly outscaling him.

But even without this kind of explanation I have stats and winrates on my side as to why Loseian is horrible. You have nothing.