User blog comment:Willbachbakal/(Champion Rework) Graves, the Outlaw/@comment-1920550-20150215080204/@comment-1920550-20150216034340

If i at any moment seemed hostile, it was not my intent at all...i'm passionate about things, not hostile...hell i really like your champion concepts...aside from some finer points, the ones i saw we're thematic, cohesive and pretty much what they should be in terms of functions and niches. The reason current Graves works against Varus, Ashe, Ezreal is because of the high range on Buckshot and Collateral Damage (925 and 1000 is immense for an all in, AOE ADC)...he doesn't have to all in...he can poke you from a relative distance and safety, then all in you...that imo is what should be fixed on Graves (which actually you kept the same range on his R)...since i've been playing alot of ADC in semi-recent times, i can tell you that alot of ADC's that have 525 and lower ranges struggle in lane...Quinn, Sivir, Kog'Maw, Lucian...yes they have other things to compensate, some of them pretty heavy...if you want an AOE example look at Sivir...her Q and W makes her one of the premier waveclear/AOE marksman (markswoman?) yet even her range is 500...Kog'Maw and Lucian who have mobility, poke, damage, but never lower than 500...outside of Urgot, who's kit is in shambles no other ADC has a 450 range and even he builds tankier than Graves...they simply cannot afford that kind of low range...my point is not that Graves shouldn't suffer in open spaces and work well in confined ones...it's that he shouldn't be soo bad on one thing and soo good on the other...my point would be to keep his Q and R ranges short and equal (thus reducing his poking power), maintain the AA range or reduce to 500 at best (thus increasing his risk to an acceptable degree) and make his AOE AA's an active, so that he can have awesome, perhaps even better AOE, but with downtimes or a way i can force him to make a critical choice (through the threat of high burst or CC)...remeber the Trist E passive? People still bitch about that to this day and that doesn't even have a half the power your passive has...