Talk:Udyr/@comment-9686801-20130522184740/@comment-5209745-20130522194711

It's not really because Tiger can be weaker or anything like that. It's mostly because Phoenix is better in the jungle (Magic damage > Physical when jungling), and it opens more room in your inventory for defensive items, while Tiger commonly requires around three full-offensive items. Also, Phoenix gets retroactively buffed by Tiger AS bonus, while Tiger is just plain Tiger. That said, Tiger works better for top lane/twisted treeline and is extremely dangerous: Any good Tiger player will ready it, hit you with it when it is gonna get off, and then automatically switch to Phoenix to increase the burst. They're both viable ways to play Udyr, just kinda different ones.

About your ability setup, well, it's just the same everybody does with him when they begin playing him, but as long as it fits your style, so be it, Udyr is flexible enough to be good if you have skill with him. That said, you should use Turtle more often, it's the best way to outsustain hard enemies.