Talk:Riven/@comment-60.241.125.152-20121030210327/@comment-4834593-20121103080128

I know they don't stand still while waiting for creeps. They don't even do that at 1k Elo.

I brought up Jayce with Doran's Blades and mr, as I thought you meant that Doran's Blades meant he dealt more damage, which was wrong. Should've reread my first post.

About Renekton sustaining with Q, that means he pushes the lane. After that he either can't last-hit, or is free food for your jungler (if that jungler has cc, at least). Still, I'd like to say it's a skill matchup.

About Jax, you shouldn't forget he ALSO loses part of his damage. But I just need to see this lane a few times, I guess.

I don't remember exactly why I started about teamfights. I think I was a bit like, "even if you lose lane, you're more valuable in teamfights."

"and lastly you said "I believe Riven can, if played well, outlane anyone." that comment can apply to every single champ in this game."

Here I maybe just wasn't clear. I meant that, if players are on par with like 30 matchups with random champions (both 15 won), and one of them plays Riven, I believe the Riven should ALWAYS be able to win, as long as you don't make more mistakes than your enemy.

Of course, those matchups aren't always the best, but I really think Riven should be able to outlane at least Jayce and Renekton on equal skill level. Maybe not always, but Riven is just too versatile to not be able to outlane everyone.