Talk:Leona/@comment-8506165-20130910044925/@comment-8506165-20131109124542

"As this thread went on, the complaint was whittled down to "with some supports, as some champions, when my team isn't playing super great, this champion can seem really impossible to win against", and this is really a complete non-issue."

No, I got suggested Vayne and Ezreal as the only adcs that can deal with Leona. My original complaint was always "there doesn't seem to be that much counterplay to Leona if your support's bad or they're not a good pick against her" so I didn't whittle that down at all.

Remember, counterplay is meaningful steps that players generally can take to prevent a champion from doing their thing. Not specific counters. So for example, when Olaf uses his ult, Jarvan can ult him and trap him inside the arena. That's a counter, not counterplay, because Soraka can't do the same thing.

However I did receive some useful advice like try and poke her out of lane before 3. I would take a slight issue with the idea of Leona having "no sustain" when she has the highest base health regen of anyone and usually starts rejuv bead, but I realise active sustain was probably the intended meaning there. So yeah, I got something helpful out of this as general advice for Blind where I can't just counterpick as soon as I see her in the champ select.