Talk:Kha'Zix/@comment-8921599-20140213101258/@comment-9705522-20140219171154

do the math. he actually has a lot less. in fact, if kha builds his typical build, which has 225 bonus ad and consists of hydra, bc, lw, maw and boots + defensive item, and if pantheon builds the same build (which he usually doesnt as his damage is so high that he ususally builds more defensive and still does more damage than kha, but for comparisions sake), the damage numbers are as follows. roughly rounded. kha: 2.3k. very low, usually not enough to kill even the adc. pantheon, with the same build, roughly 3k. even if you dont hit your ult at all its still 2.5k. kha has much less burst. is his burst faster? yes. mostly. problem is, his burst isnt enough. and actually, pantheon does more damage, even if building tanky. this gets even worse by the fact that after kha jumps in and bursts and fails to kill, the enemy can usually escape. in case of panth he can just use his q to finish off. and at lvl 1 pantheon would actually win. sure, isolated q is pretty good, but here comes the downside. lower base hp. lower base ad. lower base as. lower base armor. the fact that pantheons passive is huge early. and thats at level 1. any later, and pantheon has a stun, higher damage, and his passive. oh and better stat gain. pantheon has more damage in ganks. thats because when ganking usually the enemy aint isolated. so pantheons qs do about as much damage, but his e? 80+3.6 per bonus ad. thats a lot more. and you are also backwards. pantheon doesnt build tanky because he needs to (kha is just as much all in). no he builds tanky because its BETTER. he doesnt need as much offensive items as kha to kill the adc, so he can build tanky, still kill the adc, and then survive long enough to deal more damage on the rest of the team. this is exactly the reason why khas fotm status makes no sense, and why we have the huge discrepancy of lcs and solo queue. thats because solo queue few people actually do the math or think about the damage. they are largely looking at it very subjectively, leading to false results. so kha seems stronger. in lcs on the other hand theorycrafting is key. people do the math, look at the numbers, and just look through everything. and they quickly realized pantheon is superior in the jungle, hence why kha is a highly situational pick, and most kha bans are player targetted, in particular alex ich. pantheon on the other hand is one of the top jungle picks, being in nearly every second game.