Talk:Ryze/@comment-26203093-20160820014916/@comment-26837195-20160830100742

There's actually a noticeable mana difference when doing it non recursively, so again I think they'd at least round if off to the nearest tenth. There has got to be *some* sort of system in place, as Riot would just be taking out a lot of damage.

I updated my equations, and the difference is huge, with over 1k, or a fifth of his total mana as extra mana being missing if you don't recursively calculate them, with minimum mana at level 18 (1250 + 1000 from seraph's only) and 800 AP (not hard with a full AP build), or around 800 if you're still mid game and only have 350 AP. While the AP differences are miniscule mid and early game, 60-80 AP late game means a lot.

At a full build with maximumat level 18, the difference is going to be hugee

link: https://www.desmos.com/calculator/vawr5s5kmh