Talk:Riven/@comment-33536623-20140127122040/@comment-7434112-20140131200247

"...It use to be a much more significant "counter" to casters, you're right, when it was 2.5 seconds at rank 1..."

Well, that 1.5 sec CC is still a strong part of Garen which can cripple AD casters and even you agree that its a counter, though less significant.

My comment in regards to items and stats was because the OP was very vague in what he asked for counters for. No need to "flame" me for that.

Hmmm, so your flame is because of my apparent b.s posting. That's your problem in looking at my posts as b.s. I had stated valid points but you ignore it and take it as flame towards you and now exaggerate it to make yourself look like a victim.

So if theorycrafting were to be perfect, you'd have to include every variable in the game, which isn't done in these calculations. So basically, you've been bringing incomplete theorycrating into the discussion and expecting it to explain everything. And everything I said can be accounted for, but gives soooo many more situations. Anecdotal evidence gives 1 situation which is true and does account for the variables (minion damage, masteries and runes).

And I asked for your experience from that particular game, not the maths behind the matchup. Your game =/= the views you expressed in all your posts. The things in your posts are your 3rd person view while i'm asking for your 1st person view. Please? (since saying it once doesn't seem to be enough...)

Well, 420-ish damage in 3 seconds from 1 ability which is AoE and from a full tank is something. And if he uses Q + E + AA's on an ADC followed by R can kill him/her.

A few of the mistakes I remember, when you said Wukong's ult could be cancelled, I had said it couldn't to which you replied that you forgot how broken his ult was.... Another mistake being your statement that Riven needs to only build AD while other tops has to build AS. When I asked for further explanation, you just ignored it. Much wow, such ignorance.

Hmm, I'm notorious for ignoring points? I'm pretty sure I replied to every point you've posted here as well as any other points I had replied to earlier. Meanwhile, you read the whole thing, quote parts of a point and reply to it separately, while ignoring some points as well. And me imitate you? Oook, think ehatever you want. I just say it like how I see it.