Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-5764133-20131030153544/@comment-9705522-20131106105652

nope. first off, jarvan has 2 aoe ccs. his eq, and his w. his ult is pseudo-cc at best. and its not even good pseudo cc. nearly everyone can get out of it. well, everyone that is played. only exception is the support. the other 2 are eq and w. his w is weak. a 2 second 35% slow at max rank. thats nothing. as for his eq, yeah, its good. if you can hit it. but most of the time you have to use his eq to get close enough, and then you just have ult. but even if it somehow hits the adc, its a 0.75 second knockup, and thats it. lee sin kicks back for 1 second and over 1200 units. get that on the enemy carry and he is dead meat. its far more powerful. also, lees e is far more powerful than jarvans 2. not only is it 2 seconds longer and the slow is 25% stronger, its also the strongest attack speed slow in this game period on an aoe spell. and thats huge. lee can cut the enemy adcs dps by 60%. thats a lot of utility. as for jarvan, he can shred armor and give his team an attack speed buff. but here is the thing. the shred lasts for 3 seconds, but you have to hit it. and most likely you used your q to engage. but its a nice amount of 26%. as for his teamwide attack speed buff... 22%. thats low as heck. and the aura isnt even that huge, most of the time your team wont benefit that much. lee has 2 cc abilities, both of which are stronger than jarvans, a as slow for the enemy team, which is huge, a minor shield, which is neglegectable, and another big part, the reveal. no other champion has an aoe stealth reveal that works imideatly. he is not only close to jarvans level on utility, he is far past it. lets summarize. jarvan: potential armor shred that most likely wont be applied, teamwide weak as buff that most likely wont be applied to many, a weak slow, a knockup that most likely will only hit the frontline, aka the tank, a pseudo-cc ult that nearly everyone can get out of and thats it. lee has 2 revealing abilities, the strongest attack speed slow coupled with a very good ms slow on an aoe ability, a knockback ult that can kick the enemy adc into your team, as it has a range of 1200, which is huge, a minor shield. lees utility might not win in quantity, but it wins in quality by far.