Talk:Riven/@comment-121.209.35.202-20120612110127/@comment-4834593-20120617115746

Why Riven does not need nerfs: Her dashes are that shit it almost doesn't count. I mean, she jumping a whole lot more around than she actually moves, this resulting in an equal cast time for them, while she moves a shorter distance. Next, her Q cannot go through ANYTHING, and her E only through J4 ult and Anivia wall. And maybe Trundle pillar, but it could be that thing is too big. Should try.

You can max whatever you want first, but you will always lose things: Max Q -> sometimes huge damage loss (whenever you need it to catch up), max W -> no shield, so hard to harras, max E -> you can tank a tower shot when the skill is rank 3, but you won't really do much damage with E + W + out, if you are harrasing a tower hugger (and a good Riven doesn't easily get beaten out of her lane).

Yes, her shield scales with AD. First, this is bonus AD, so it's not noticable early game (first time you'll notice is when you hit level six, and shield while your ult is active). And it scales with 1.0 bonus AD. Say that every champion in the game as equal attack damage (they should, on average, have). This means one hit, and it's almost gone. Only the (shitty) base remains.

And she has a spammable stun. That lasts 0.75 seconds, and has as only real use to stop channeled spells (like Nunu and Katarina ultimate). Same for the knockback on Q.

She is also full AoE damage. Which gives her two disadvantages. First, is that AoE numbers are slightly lower, even though their potential damage will be higher. The other is, that she will heavily push the lane if you 1v1 her in between your minions.

Next, she has not a single point of magic damage. Of course, we have items that give magic damage:

MDR/Kitae's Bloodrazor: Not viable on a caster.

Malady: Useless.

Ionic Spark: Again, she's a caster. Attack speed is worthless on her.

Wits End: Not different.

Madreds Razors/Wriggles Lantern: Only procs against minions.

This means that with 2450 gold, you have countered her: flat armor seals (a must on top laners) + Ninja Tabi + Wriggles Lantern gives you over 100 armor, Riven doesn't like that. At all.

I hope that was enough?