Talk:Trundle/@comment-79.111.234.32-20120502134415/@comment-79.111.235.54-20120519041010

"Trundle is, and always will be half support and half a fighter. He CAN'T carry. It's not his job. He can't assassinate and pick off targets."

The only true thing said. If anyone winning with trundle, they could win this with pretty much everyone else and be a lot better.

"His damage is one of the highest early game"

Same damage as others and typical damage skill, all they have it. Shyv, lee, noc, mundo - you name it. And autoattacks DO damage early game, no matter the champion, lol.

"pillar plus contaminate, amazing gap closer, and escape tool"

Escape tool in the jungle - yes. Gapcloser? No. You cant have both skilled pillar and contaminate till mid-lategame, and while ganking, rare pillar can actually help with blocking the enemy. Lanes are not like small jungle passages. And even so, its not helpful against all those top rivens or lees with their jumps.

"doesn't need many items to be viable (wriggles boots and frozen mallet is all he needs honestly) "

Well yes, you right on that one. But that nocturne, for example, is a true terror with these items and not just random nodamage pillarbot.

"Obviously a noob who fails badly at trundle or had nightmares playing with him. Wait till you find a good player playing trundle on the enemy team and watch him destroy your own jungler as well as shred your tanks late game"

Couple of freewins against retards dont prove anything. I flawlessly won with a jungle heimer once, but that doesnt prove that he is viable jungler. And the last competitive trundle pick I saw last year. Tells you something, is it not.

"Nocturne deals all physical, and has no instant gap closer."

Nocturne has way more CC's and often ganks with his ult, shitting on any wards whatsoever. Trundle is nothing compared to him. Not to mention his clearing speed and lack of manaproblems.

Really, things have changed. Maybe trundle was viable some time ago, which is doubtfully, but today, with all them AoE-clearers, undemanding tanky CC-machines, great DPS junglers trundle just way behind. Sad, but things are as they are. Just a funny character with a reference to modern culture, not a great champion at all.

OP