Talk:Gragas/@comment-70.44.252.52-20110819161626/@comment-58.7.218.246-20110824143349

only when you play him tanky ap, like a nunu or cho gath. if your one of those people who go straight into a soulstealer and deathcap ect, then your going to fail miserably.if you want a deathcap, at least get a RoA first. if your gonna build an archangel then think of getting a frozen heart too.just because someone has good ap ratios doesnt mean you go and build him like a veigar, his barrel roll is ranged yes , but since you have to click once to aim it and then click again to detonate it , its one of the less reliable skill shots to hit against good opponents , his ult is ranged , but his body slam means you have to get close , and to really get much benifit out of his drunken rage then your going to be fighting in close quaters. thats why hes listed as a fighter. Alot of AP on him is awesome, just dont neglect your survivablity entirely.