Talk:Vi/@comment-9705522-20131006105729/@comment-9705522-20131006220351

yes, but here is the thing. warwicks ult and malzahars ult both have downsides. namely, neither ww nor malz have any other dash, therefore the range is limited. vi has a dash with a high range even. and there is a problem. as i said, vi can deal 1500 damage, without you even reacting. at that point you have 600-800 hp left, you are slowed by bork, you have 50% of your armor shredded off, and then you have vi who is a 4k hp and 250 armor beast who just kills you. no way you are going to win that. ez wont be able to shift to his tower (unless he was close to it anyway), and even then, guess what? you just dive him, you have good tankiness and most laners should make it an easy kill. long story short, its problematic. its like a malph ult that cant be dodged. on a character that actually deals damage without items. and also has a second dash. on top of a flash. max engage distance? 2000 units. to put that into a perspective, thats 2/3 of luxs ult.