Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-8506165-20140118220449/@comment-15244341-20140120001032

Mundo has a steroid in his ultimate. Shyvanna gains 40 (!!!!!) MR and AR in dragon form. Sorry, but this is not irrelevant and basically one of the best steroids goldwise. Lee with the same build as Shyvanna is far less effective. Warwick is bad beyond measure in the actual meta and his "steroid" is his healing. Renekton is not a tank, but a bruiser, and basically does well in lane and falls off hard in teamfights because he does no damage with tank items and cant actually tank well enough (say, like Lee).

E-W-AA-Q takes an instant. 1 second silence is what you need to apply the combo, even better now that Talon recieved his QoL. Still, there is one very important thing here: Talon can't get blocked by creeps or the enemy team. CC? Sure. Lee has to waste damage to go to a well protected backline.

Stonewall's tier list is wonderful reference material. Read Lee's entry: His weakness tends to be the fact that his late game is not as strong as the other powerful junglers. He is still useful but he does fall off somewhat. He either becomes fragile due to building pure damage or deals less damage due to building tanky. He tends to transition into a support/bruiser late into the game.

Say, that sounds like what someone was saying. He is not useless late. He falls of. As a fact. He is squishy built damage, and has low damage built tank.

Again, my experience with Xin and Elise is of winning duels with Lee. One important factor if Lee takes a second level in Q is that the second someone blocks it or evades it, bye bye damage. And he loses an escape and his shield for better trading. Again, I speak from playing Xin. Maybe the Lees were bad.

This said, now I'm actually having to agree to disagree with you. You say he is the strongest character in the game. I don't seem to think so, while I do believe he is one of the best. I'll leave it at that.