Talk:Riven/@comment-60.241.125.152-20121030210327/@comment-4834593-20121102221442

Erm, if you want to harras an enemy or farm a minion, you have to stand still and autoattack, as far as I know... Maybe they found a trick at high ELO to keep moving while autoattacking, but I don't know it.

Next, yes, Doran's Blades provide health. You know how much more damage Jayce does for every Dorans Blade? 16, not counting mr.

I agree you're also right about that you sometimes just can't trade because of minions, however, if you just stun Renekton the moment he dashes to you, he MIGHT get his stun on you, but maybe not. Either case, you can E away after that.

I myself still have to get outlaned with Riven because of something else than my own mistakes. As long as that hasn't happened, I believe Riven can, if played well, outlane anyone.

And about Jax I also agree he's really strong, maybe OP, but also don't forget that, if you max Q first, that's still 240 (+2.1 per bonus AD) damage without any autoattacks, on level 5. It's still insanely high, and the only reason Riven isn't seen as the most OP champion in the game is because most people who play her don't know how to build it.

Not to mention that R Flash W Q Q Q E R (without autoattacks) can happen in about 1.5 seconds in a team fight, dealing some huge AoE damage. At my shitty Elo it works because of bad reaction time, at higher Elo it will work because of the Guardian Angel. Riven has maybe the most teamfight presence in the game, excluding the big AoE ults from Malphite, Amumu, Galio etc. She's tied with champions like Shyvana.