Talk:Quinn/@comment-5386529-20130315070419/@comment-46.247.197.170-20130319114444

@Panmac

Oh well, we can argue a lot and I want to see what you say in action. Can you post a replay?

Cause I don't think her passive is a good harrasing tool, your opponent see if he is marked, and you won't come in 525 range to hit him for additional damage. E is not a part of her combo? well, it is also an engage/disengage tool, but thus doesnt make it not a part of her combo. As Quinn I want to:

1. Hit the marked target

2. Use Q to blind

3. Use E to apply slow and get another mark.

After that your opponent is pretty much low on hp and didn't do anything back. You can disengage now, or keep on fighting and use your ulti to finish him off. But the real problem is that you are barely able to take step 1, cause your opponent knows you want to do it, and you have that 525 range. If you managed to do it anyways, he can dodge your Q, or, you know, battles on botlane happen to be near minions, so you can simply waste it on minion between you and enemy ADC. There are lots of situation that do not allow you to use blind. You can take those 3 steps in different ways, or you can take only steps 3 and 2, but that doesnt hurt much, and the payback may hurt you a lot.

Yeah, you don't have to run like Draven, but that actually changes nothing as he still can have additional damage on every autoattack. And I didn't say a word about Draven vs Quinn match-up, I'm only comparing the damage from Quinn's passive and Draven's Q.

Anyways, enough of that stuff, I can write a wall of text also about that Caitlyn example, just show me some awesome Quinn players beating good opponents with her (or maybe just your friend with 70% winrate), cause I've never seen a good Quinn having:

1. Good laning phase that she actually won (without babysitting jungler and not against sloppy opponent)

2. Good presence in teamfights, where Quinn is carrying and actually doing all the ADC's job properly.