Talk:Urgot/@comment-31855258-20170514173948

can somebody please tell me everything that makes urgot bad? i want to make sure i have everything covered.

i understand that his wonky "ranged juggernaut" kit's inherent problems. but those dont nessecarly make someone bad and there are similar concepts that get over powered pretty often. "tanky markman? (urgot) riot thats useless and makes no sense. "tanky marksman?" (graves) riot that over powered and has no counter play. "ranged champ with targeted gap closer/all in ability?" (urgot) thats useless. "ranged champ with targeted gap closer/all in ability?" (jayce) thats grossly over powered and has no counter play. i actually heard one guy say something along the lines of: "urgot is useless because you HAVE to use his ult to engage 5v5's" that person is obviously a moron but it really does emulate the community's attitude toward urgot.

its also worth noting that (as far as i know) any time urgot was picked in lcs he curb stomped everything (but i could be wrong).

as someone else said if urgot had better numbers he would be basicly unstopable.

gonna list all the problems i can think of off the top of my head:

1 dimentional kit means 2 way counter play doesnt really exist and means he's not aloud to be good just like old aatrox who now has a healthy kit with more windows of power.

trying to be a bruisers and a marksman means you can easily fail at both.

short auto ranged means he NEEDS his tanky attributes just to get any real damage off.

q range isnt THAT long for a siege/poke ability

Huge mana problems probably top 5 worst in the game deffinetly top 10 worst.

ultimate is extremely misunderstood and people use it wrong then blame the kit when they actually just dont know what there doing. most people just dont know when each role can all in/dive the back line in 5v5's so its not a suprise.

chasing power is just barely too low (can be fixed with move speed quints

itemization is extremely wonky (tear > black cleaver > defensive boots > manamune + tank item > triforce or another damage item likely one with sustain. things get weirder if you factor half offense half defense things like maw)

im hungry screw thinking about more cons you guys get the idea.