Talk:Udyr/@comment-4530717-20130402062627/@comment-5865816-20130402134152

Again, a buff and a nerf rolled in one. Did some math and for a Tiger Udyr who builds some damage items this is a buff - provided you max Tiger first you only need about 25-35 bonus AD based on your level to catch up to the old Tiger value, and after it stops leveling, from levels 10 to 18 the requirement increases to 70 bonus AD tops to equal the old damage per activation (I'm not counting in the persistent effect though, so it's definitely a buff to Tiger Udyr).

However, it will cripple my [1 Tiger] [5 Phoenix] at level 9 build. Though I guess from a game design perspective it makes sense, you shouldn't be able to leave an ability at rank 1 and deal a bunch of damage with it every activation. On the plus side, the full attack speed bonus transfers over to Phoenix for ~3.5 sec so Phoenix/Tiger synergy is not completely broken.