Talk:Udyr/@comment-5763148-20140709010802/@comment-7846894-20140712085748

I would argue that it works far better in the jungle for early invades and dueling. But that's too much work and can backfire really hard. And at the end of the day Phoenix has better build paths and can opt for more damage out and tankiness out of the cdr you build naturally. Tiger is by no means bad. But there's very little reason to go this route when Phoenix offers so much more in terms tankiness, clearing, pushing, mobility, possibly more cc, all while having AOE damage and high bases. Tiger top blows. It's strong sure, but it might as well be a wet noodle if you can't use the damage. Tiger demands to much. I'd rather use my plethora of top laners and do what Tiger tries to attempt but better. I'm currently in Plat 2. My highest rank reached is Plat 1 and then a series of unfortunate games dropped me down back to Plat 5. I was so close to diamond... Regardless, I'm not able to get Tiger top to work. I'm sure it's possible, but probably requires a certain playstyle and build that would be unique to it. Probably works better against certain match ups, but not meta picks. Every time I've seen an Udyr top, Phoenix ends up being the most annoying to deal with. I've shut them down in lane, but it doesn't amount to much. I can't say I've seen or done the same with Tiger.