Talk:Shyvana/@comment-4636093-20120624211412/@comment-109.52.141.145-20120625112201

That's pretty strange 0.0

Fiora is quite slow in the jungle, taking around 4 minutes to hit level 4 where shyv takes 3:20 so there's no way she can out farm you.

Fiora, similer to shen, is only single target making her farming in the jungle bottom teir. Such a Fiora will tend to gank usuing her double gap closer(Lunge), and large array of skills that allow her to spam the red buff slow(Fiora, like shyv has no cs of her own making red buff really important when ganking). Honestly between having no cc, and a slow jungle speed Fiora isn't that grat(much better top lane).

What you should do to beat her his this-

Start of the game attempt to pin her down with clarvoyence, or have your ssupport sneak a ward into the jungle to find out where she starts. She will probably start blue and make her way down to red last so she can use the greatest amount of the buff for ganks.

You, after you've confirmed she started blue, should counter jungle her red. Again she is single target so if you start boots, and start on your blue(Starting blue is slower than starrting red, but your blue side is closer to her red side) side you can easily take her red. This can be enhanced by asking your team for a strong leash so you can save smite to clear her red much faster. With strong leash + boots + shyvs godly speed in the jungle + saving smite you'll easily take her red before she even gets to her wrraiths.

Once you've taken red you've effectively shut down her ganks. Yes, she can still gank but they will be greatly weakend. At this point continuaslly keep tab on her red and dont let her get it.

Some tips for taking red is ask your 2 lanes surrounding the red to push their lane to the tower. This way if your caught they can effectively come to help you before the enemy laner comes(If the enemy laner comes aswell he will lose exp as the tower will take the minions, and the fight will still be even). With this being said if your lanes surronding the red are weaker then stealing the red can be significantly harder.

Also when taking the buff always watch the lanes surrounding the buff to make sure they aren't comming to stop you. Warding their buffs, and etting pink wards + oracle will help avoid this.

As for dueling don't be afraid to duel Fiora as shyvana is also a very strong duelist. Yet don't duel her in her own jungle unless your lanes are pushed, and are stronger then their oppenent as fiora can effectively stale till her team comes to kill you. If the duel is in your own jungle and the terms are evn you should easily be able to deal with her, and if not ping for help.

Hope this helps =)