Talk:Vayne/@comment-3985944-20110516191632/@comment-174.253.150.1-20110519030247

Okay, Riffeeman. Here it comes.

First off, learn to type. At least when my articles are long, they have decent grammar and spelling. Second, YOUR points are wrong. Here's why.

1. Yes, she's an awesome chaser. But you can be the best chaser in the world, it doesn't mean anything if you can't actually kill someone before they reach safety. There are a vast amount of other DPS that can come out and burst you to death before you even get a chance to react, meaning they don't even need to chase you. Obvious choices for this argument being Warwick, Olaf, Caitlyn. I don't think I need to go further with that list, it's pretty apparent.

2. Her % true damage isn't really that significant. There's plenty of evidence supporting that it does less than than other forms of existing true damage to anyone that isn't stacking hit points (Which is who Vayne will be hunting anyways, untill level 15'ish'). I've already displayed this plainly for you previously.

3. If you decide to turn and fight her and she E's you, congratulations. In 9/10 scenarios Vayne just pushed you about 1,000 'range' away from her and towards your tower. Winning.

4. No, Vayne does not put out 'far more damage damage than any other ranged champ and more than most melee champs'. There are plenty of characters that will own Vayne in a 1v1. Do you own Vayne? I'll gladly have this demonstrated to you if you add me on US Servers. 'Captain Nuthak' (<Challenge Awaiting)

5. No shit every champ in the game can be countered by being focused in team fights. So why is it so difficult for you? Learn to have a team that can properly crowd control and focus and your problem is solved.

6. 'it is the fact that she puts out FAR more damage than any other dps in the game and SUFFERS NO DRAWBACKS.' And.. again.. No. I assure you her DPS can be matched by any of the following, if not entirely outdone. Missfortune, Twisted Fate, Caitlyn, etc. Moving on again to, 'SUFFERS NO DRAWBACKS' I'll give you X.


 * 1. Overall range is no higher than 555.


 * 2. Has a passive that is 4/7's as good as Miss Fortune's, and it only works when you're moving towards an enemy. Basically, it works half as often.


 * 3. Two of her abilities have conditional damage. One of which is her only crowd control. (As stated before, Condemn < Make it Rain/Gold Card)


 * 4. She offers very little to a team other than focus DPS, she has no AoE, her crowd control isn't guaranteed, and she has poor farming ability. (Don't reply to this with the argument that she just gets a ton of attack speed and becomes a great farmer. That's nothing any other ranged DPS couldn't do, while having way better farming tools early game to have achieved the items with which to begin attack speed farming. Examples include Teemo's DoT & Shrooms, TF's Red/Blue Card & Ranged Cards, MF's Make it Rain, Ashe's Volley, Caitlyn's Piltover Peacemaker, need I continue?)


 * 5. Her ultimate is arguably the worst out of all of the ranged DPS in the game.


 * 6. On the contrary to popular belief, her harass capability isn't actually that outstanding. I assure you many other champions have far superior harass as compared to Vayne's.


 * 7. Without using her ultimate, she literally has no chase at all if you can just avoid her auto-attack range from the get go. As compared to the many abilities that I've already cited, MF's MiR, Ashe's Volley. Both of those abilities are basic and can be cast often. They both provide a way to slow the enemy from outside of their auto-attack range to begin extending their chase time. Or they can use it from outside of their auto-attack range to slow the approaching enemy, preventing them from reaching either in the first place.

Schooled.