Talk:Vayne/@comment-65.191.164.250-20120312002619/@comment-3165723-20120314072109

There are also carries that counter urgot, graves, and cait. Every carry needs a good support. Your point appears to be that the nerf has made Vayne more dependent on her support and allows her to be countered by certain champions (champions that already countered her, before the nerf). The carries strong in the early game are pretty much always weaker in the late game than carries not strong early. Look at tristana. Her early game is pathetic, but she carries harder than pretty much anyone else.