Talk:Zilean/@comment-5077844-20141029214537/@comment-15244341-20141102000025

320+90% AP. Non avoidable and AoE, plus can be set on your initiator. By itself, as a single damage spell on a kit, it's pretty good. It makes Zilean a huge lane bully.

Then, midgame comes, when his damage begins to fall off. And you give almost a full heal on someone that is dead. After that late game comes, and you can ult every teamfight, put zillions (jokes) of bombs and slow/speed up as you will.

All of this has zero counterplay. From bombs to ult. Taking into account how good ADCs are right now, I'd say Zilean is pretty much a monster of a utility mage. Does this warrant nerfs? I think it does in the same way Ryze needs them. Not "cut his power down" but give them at least some amount of counterplay.

That goes for his AD counterpart, Yorick. They are bullies in lane, terrible in late unless you ult has a good target.