Talk:Athene's Unholy Grail/@comment-64.113.185.196-20130314144116

Grail or Abyssal ? Pretty similar in stats. Abyssal has better AP & MR & MR aoe debuff for -20. Garil have slightly MR & 10 lss AP but also has good 20%CD reduction and good mana regen with 15 & it's Passives. I'm just looking for logical reasoning, my final conclusion is that. Abysall is only worth it if you have other AP Damage dealers, key words being "damage dealers" Like say Kat top, Akali top, Diana,. Sorry if those are bad examples those are just off the top of my head. However if you have a Ap tank for example, maoki jungle or even a Malphite. I would most likly go for chalice since it can be bought early to help you with laning. Assuming you're against Ap & Chalice can be bought early and upgraded to Grail, while Abyssal is just a straight buy from the common items. Ask your AP Tank, nicly, if they could fit a Abyssal into their build, since it'll increase their damage, their restince and your damage. Also if you do have other AP Damage dealers ask them early on if they buy abyssal, if they say no, consider getting it, and inform them if you decide to buy it even though they said they don't, maybe you mentioning it made them think about buying it and having 2 auras is a waste and counter effective.

Any thoughts or anything I missed or you want to add?

Scoring: Grail > Abyssal.

When it comes down to it it just seems like a better choice. Grail will give you more "Ammo"(Mana Regen & 2 passives!) "Fire rate" Cooldown Reduction (20%) While Abyssal will just give you more "Damage" Or AP but it's not even that huge of an AP increase. And the fact you can get the aura bouneses from your teammates makes it even less important because with higher resistence it would better suit a tanky role.

If you wanna look at it from a Archtype kinda system. Grail will give you Poke potential, just endless poke, never ending mana and Cooldown reduction so harrass to set up kills which also restore more mana. While Abyssal gives you sustain damage, it'll just increase you damage output I was gonna say it was more for burst but after taking a second to think about it it's not it  just increases your damage and the other AP Damage of your team while making you able to take the AP damage from their team. Looking at it this way really make Abyssal seem like a Supportish tank kind of item. Regarudless I know that it is a great item for Mid laners and so it Grail with everything said I just think Grail comes out on top in this one. Thank you for reading :)