Talk:Ryze/@comment-24795478-20151119171720/@comment-27249571-20151121011530

Not for overall damage. I've tried double ROA... and Seraph and its pretty effective in more glass cannon Ryze builds. That said, I generally play Ryze like an off-tank unless I'm far ahead (3+/0/X). So no, you need the extra power Seraph gives you and a few hundred health isnt worth it.