Talk:Veigar/@comment-25903301-20151004131604/@comment-25903301-20151010171456

Re: Odaswifteye I disagree very much. With the skillshot on q you can no longer stun someone in the minion wave and q w them without minons in the way. Same goes for teamfighting when you stun the adc/ apc in the back and there is the tank in the way. The delay on the stun is weaker for obvious reason and I never had mana issues. Im not aguing weither or not he was toxic, but he was STRONGER with the more reliable q and e and stacking AAS was rediculous with a DFG.