Talk:Viktor/@comment-4499945-20121002172057/@comment-4922088-20121005092344

I've honestly found vs galio you're better off getting chalice and just forcing mid into a farm fest. You can't really kill him on your own so you're better off just trying to out cs him.

And for Veigar just get early merc treads. They're the easiest way to deal with him. He's wind up blowing you up eventually but it keeps him from getting fat off of you early-mid game.