Talk:Graves/@comment-9775822-20150919193228/@comment-10136989-20151023165250

no palpable damage? what? Clearly you haven't played against one recently.

He isn't played very much because of how much he falls off, but jeez just go play him in some normals, if you lose a single lane I might concede, but he doesn't get harassed through his shield, he doesn NEED to land his E but if he does it's insane, and pretty sure every support has some sort of CC that can set that up. Sustain supports (Sona Nami Taric Soraka) don't exist at the moment, except soraka who gets annihilated, because the only one doing damage is the carry, who gets -15% damage dealt.

It's not even like coming to lane with tear is bad, he scales with mana, cdr, and levels.

Grabber/aggresive supports engage, and urgot is happy to just fight back, he is tanky enough to survive burst. And it's not like the other contender here, Caitlyn, does well against Thresh/Blitz, if she gets hit she dies just the same.