Talk:Pantheon/@comment-87.172.197.115-20120619080448/@comment-79.111.235.126-20120624174810

Built in full AD like Riven or Renek, Garen sucks big time. He has no gapcloser, so no evasion and mobility to outplay anyone or to simply stick to enemy carry; easily gets kited; can't push or unpush creep waves in couple of seconds; his spin needs to go full cycle, or else he'll damage more simply aa'ing; every kill stolen with his ult in a teamfight is a waste; and he's much more squishy.

Built in tanky he does no damage at all after, say, ten minutes or even earlier and it is a totally wasted team slot, so all that he can do is to be silencebot and eventually ulting.

Sooo, it a real laugh when somebody starts comparing burst ad assasin Pantheon to Garen, telling fairytales about Garen's usefulness and his outstanding damage, completely not understanding even the basics of this game.