Talk:Riven/@comment-33536623-20140127122040/@comment-9008617-20140128032122

Like Swift said, it just depends on what you mean by counter. Riven just doesn't seem to get outright shutdown by any champ in particular.

In regards to Garen:

Garen typically starts with about 60 AD including masteries and about 70 if they build AD first which is rare (note we're assuming most Garens run arpen reds). Garen's lvl 1 spin does 20 + 70% AD per second for a max of 3 seconds with a CD of 13. This works out to be 62 dmg per second. When you factor in Riven's base armor and for ease of calculations ignore her armor yellows for Garen's arpen reds, she'll end up receiving approximately 50 dmg per hit or a total of 150 dmg in 3 seconds from Garen's lvl 1 spin2win.

Riven typically starts with 54 base AD, about 20-something bonus AD from runes and masteries, and 8 AD if you start Doran's for a total AD of about 85 and bonus AD to be about 30. Riven's lvl 1 Q does 10 + 40% AD for up to 3 strikes were the last hit does a small knockup with a CD of 13. This works out to be about 45 dmg per strike before armor mitigation. Note that Riven's passive at level 1 inbetween each strike does 20% AD and so from her 85 starting AD that works out to be about 17 bonus dmg for an AA of 102 dmg before armor mitigation. Now factoring in Garen's base armor 21.7 + 12.69 from runes + 9 from masteries (+ 5% bonus armor) gives you about 44 armor. Rivens will typically get the Devastating Strikes for 6% arpen lowering that armor to about 41. This means each Q by Riven gets reduced to about 30 dmg per hit (including the -2 dmg from Unyielding) and basic AAs will do 60 dmg each (taking into account the -12 from Doran's passive, block, and unyielding). Which means Riven's Q combo alone at level 1 will do 30 x 3 + 60 x 3 = 270 dmg. Whew.

Keep in mind there's a wholeeee bunch of variables to consider and you're all free to post your numbers from the different scenarios.

Garen's silence also does very little damage early on (30 + 40% AD) for a single AA buff and the silence lasts only 1.5 seconds and Riven is given 4 seconds between each of her Q's... i.e. a lot of time.

But as far as I can tell, in the 3 seconds it takes Garen to do his spin, Riven is outputting a considerable bit of damage herself.

And Riven just scales so much better into the game...