Talk:Irelia/@comment-194.111.71.133-20110405102745/@comment-139.130.57.34-20110406053054

Jax never used phantom dancer. Phantom dancer was overkill. He had enough dodge just from tabi/masteries and his ult attack speed and that from guinsoos was enough to take him over the 2.0 atk speed mark. He didn't really benefit from crit either. Jax was nerfed when his actual abilities (namely his passive ratio) was nerfed. Since then he's just been situational champ.

Irelia's passive was very strong in High Elo games where most kills were gained through cc. I'm sure in lower level/nooby games where for some clueless reason cc is less prominent her passive doesn't hold up but in games where it counts, her passive is godly.