Talk:Elise/@comment-9051002-20130502173910/@comment-7967732-20130505040453

@Srorberd: Do people find Talon, LeBlanc mid troubling then? They rape almost all AP mid there. They are obvious hard counters, tearing any APC apart even easier than Elise does to a bruiser in top. However, a Karthus, a Cas... can still come out more useful than those assassins later in game as long as they farm and don't feed.

In top lane, many people have the mind set of going in lane, harass, out trade enemy, push them out of lane => win. Elise kit is really good, really versatile, but in truth, it counters that kind of play more than actually counter any specific top. Instead of simply accept the fact that you should not play risky against her (the same way that a Morgana should feel against a Talon) and just focus on farming safely, they keep on thinking "I might try this time, maybe all in her" and all die horribly for that stupid idea. I played her against many top laners and surprisingly, the one I scare the most is Nasus, not because he can do anything in lane, but because of his attitude as a sandbag, just stand there avoiding any fight, trying to farm, buiding up that deadly Q and waiting for later revenge.

Maybe Riot should just put the assassin attribute on her to warn people not trying to mess with the spider rather than nerfing her.