Thread:LivesByProxy/@comment-1330314-20171215181305

Hiya! It's been a while. I thought of you when I saw a recent Dyrus video: right after the time stamp, you can see and hear the enemy Vi's E, even though she isn't revealed directly by any source of vision or detection. Seeing how you covered the topic of vision, detection, invisibility and stealth gameplay extensively, have you considered the topic of self-revealing mechanics? Certain abilities like Aurelion Sol's innate and E, or Shaco's Q, are special-cased to be visible even from the Fog of War, but in general there doesn't seem to be much consistency to which effects can be seen or heard from outside detection.

Going back to stealth gameplay, this could potentially be interesting to define better, because just as there's a lot more that can be done with stealth champions, there's also likely more that can be done with non-stealthy champions, or champions whose playstyle or theme is so antithetical to stealth that they'd announce themselves even if you aren't specifically detecting them. Other effects I think are worth considering are abilities like Nunu's ult, whose invisibility while in brush was defended by Riot several times in the past, versus more modern effects like Ornn's ultimate. 