Talk:Zilean/@comment-24023648-20150511082713/@comment-25970203-20150520030542

I think you completely missed the point of his arguement. When zilean ults a target they become unable to do anything for a period of time after they have died. Not a long period of time, but a period none the less. This means that if you are a damage dealer, you miss out on damage time. This is especially important if you are an ADC. This is because it can lead to terrible situations where you get ulted, brought back to life, only to die because the enemy out numbers you. I've had this happen to me more than once. It helps let your team get away but that's not exactly "ideal". Ideally you get revived and live after the fight when you are ulted. That is why Kruffix said it's ideal to not get Zilean ulted because its more reactionary. You GENERALLY dont use zilean ult offensively. You use it in a situation where its like"OMG VI ULTI KILLING SIVIR MUST SAVE ALLY!!!!!". The only time where I feel that it rewards you for dying like you stated is during very specific situations. For instance if you ult the tank and they die, now they get to double tank. Also, it can reward you for dying in something like a protect the ADC comp. Enemy team blows all cooldowns only to have ADC still be alive would really suck. To put it into better context, let's say your team loses a teamfight and enemy ziggs ults and its going to you azir and vayne both no ulti. How you would lose this teamfight im not sure, but picture you have a split second choice. You don't want to ult yourself since you're a support and that would be a waste. However, who do you ult then? Azir whose massive wave clear could prevent the enemy team from taking to many objects, but lacks escape relative to vayne, or vayne who is more likely to survive, but cannot clear waves that well, because they do not have an SS?

Now, the problem I have with your fix is that it could create even more abusive situations than the one you seem to hate. For instance double ulting tryndameres or kayles that give stupid unkillablitiy. Poppy double ulting and running all over your entire team. Know what's worse than nearly killing a fiora and having her ult back to full health? Having her do that twice. Lissandra can now initiate and then lock down an adc far more thoroughly in a teamfight due to double ulting and zhonya's  (order would be something like initaited with ulting self, zhonya's, then ult adc). Explain how this is not worse than split second stopping someone from dying?

Tl;DR:  zilean's ult is more reactionary and your fix seems more likely to create abuse cases. Also read the damn thing since it has all the details.