Talk:Trundle/@comment-210.245.132.2-20120821133002/@comment-5086858-20120823000304

Have you actually tried top Trundle? It works quite well most of the time. Obviously he doesn't do well against ranged champions, but any ad champ at top will probably have a horrible time dealing with this troll.

As for ganking, well, like I said, it isn't his focus. Yes, he needs help from his lane, but so do Mundo, Shyvana and Udyr, the champions that forged the jungle meta. And why are these champions favored? Because of their counter jungling, invasion, fast clear times, sustain, and gold indendance (less so for shyv). Trundle has ALL of these qualities in spades. Not to mention none of these champions can invade his jungle because of Trundles absurd early game. And when it comes to actual ganking, if you don't jump the gun on the wall and your teammate knows how to initiate a gank then you can blow a flash for a joke, forcing the enemy to play passive and giving your lane an advantage. His ganks aren't the best but they're not the worst either.

The ult isn't there for just the damage, it's a utility move and one of the most underestimated ults in the game. It makes Trundle a monster while it's up and can Troublesome bruisers like Irelia much easier to dispatch. Buffing the damage would be pointless.

Trundle's teamfighting is actually quite strong, the wall is one of the strongest counter-initiations in the game. Say Nautilus initiates on your team, Naut has to pull himself towards your team with his hook. Wall off the important targets, ult Naut, and he'll be easy to take down. That's only one example, sure, but the wall is crazy versatile in it's applications and if properly used can be devastating for the enemy.

Trundle is not a "top-tier" pick by any stretch of the imagination, as much as I hate to admit it, but he also isn't weak. He doesn't need any big buffs (aside from the goddamn animation fixes) and he's plenty viable. In an actual "competitive" enviroment his use is limited to counter-picking, but that doesn't matter to you or I as neither of us are tournament players.