Talk:Ryze/@comment-10258129-20130806084420/@comment-9048637-20130807222859

Abyssal is fantastic on Ryze. Sure, he doesn't have the best AP scalings ever, but they're not as terrible as everyone makes out; hell, you can probably get to similar damage levels with a pure AP build, you just won't be anywhere near as tanky. But what makes Abyssal really nice is the MR-reducing aura. A lot of people underestimate, I think, just how much an effective 20 Mpen can add to your damage.

So yeah, if I'm going on the damagey side of bruiser with Ryze, I get Abyssal nowadays, buying the Negatron cloak early if I'm against AP. If I want to go tankier, then I'll usually go SV, since it synergizes with spell vamp (duh). BV I can still see on Ryze, since it's now the tankiest MR option out there, but SV would probably win out just thanks to the passive. Sure, it's kind of sad that BV no longer gives mana, but Abyssal was always better from a damage point of view, so I really don't see that there's all that much to fuss about.