Talk:Nocturne/@comment-95.70.155.161-20110803132157/@comment-3360527-20110811043750

Ok, lets look at his kit as a whole instead of pieces - What makes his kit so OP?


 * "An anti-CC and a CC on the same champion, can be balanced surely, to be honest the skills Nocturne has are all balanced if examined respectively, but with the combination of all of em.. It is just not."


 * I argue that they currently are, they've nerfed the leash range of his fear and his spellshield is only on a 12 sec CD at rank5 (which is usually last to rank up so only at lvl18). His fear requires him to remain in range for 2 seconds prior to the fear taking effect which gives you time to stun, blink, knockback, or prepare for a short fear. You can see it coming.


 * "My balance suggestions would be, either removing something from Duskbringer or SoD.. reduce the bonus AD damage from Duskbringer or just reduce the AS bonus from Shroud. Let me give a few examples, such as Twitch's ulti and Vayne's ulti. Twitch gains up to 35 damage and Vayne gains up to 55 damage.. but at least it is their ultimate, so the player gets to decide to use it carefully.. instead of just spamming it every 10 seconds like in Duskbringer."


 * They've already reduced the AD from duskbringer. The twitch and vayne comparisons are moot because A) Twitch can shoot through targets for multiple hits per shot B) Vayne gets a massive movespeed boost as well as temp stealth and C) they do not have positional requirements like remaining on a narrow path. Don't get hit by duskbringer.


 * "And making Paranoia an AoE ability instead of a global ability, It is no surprise that most global abilities are getting nerfed recently, such as pantheon's or TF's. Blinding a team for 4 seconds in a teamfight is ridicilious, it is nothing to be underestimated.. At least an active banshee should be able to block this blind, like TF's Destiny."


 * Firstly, the dash is an area ability; its only the vision loss thats global. The dash is also severly nerfed to be much shorter. Also, an active banshee's will block the vision loss.


 * "There is no counter to it really, I know you'll be shouting "But he is squishy!". Making a champion squishy does not automaticly balances it, Sivir is squishy, Eve is squishy, Shaco is squishy"


 * Sivir is a ranged dps, eve and shaco are assassins. All of these types should be squishy and shaco is MUCH harder to kill than nocturne because of his constant juking.