Talk:Graves/@comment-4221120-20120209030353/@comment-201.47.225.224-20120210120815

OP means that, a certain champion, item or other mechanic is UNFAIRLY strong, if you compare to others. And just because something sounds stupidly unbalanced on paper, it doesn't mean it is in fact OP. Lemme give you an example:


 * Nasus is a strong, extremely tanky character who requires the focus of the entire enemy team to grind him down, himself being capable of 2~4-shotting people on a 4 seconds cooldown skill, even enemies beefy as himself.
 * However, Nasus does not have a single gap closer or hard CC, and being melee means he is more or less threatening than a stuck rock if you keep applying slows and stuns from range so he can never reach you. Also, he is very very weak early game, because his Q isn't charged yet and he is not much more durable than others, so you can make him a little more than an annoyance late game by playing agressive when he is vunerable, preventing him from having a good, well farmed early game.

As you can see, Nasus is very strong but he is balanced. A champion who is way too strong, but with weakness that doesn't bring his powerlevel to the same of others, is considered OP. A champion with no apparent weakness may not be OP solely on the fact that his weakness is NOT having a strength. What some people consider weak or strong varies, and many champions that were once considered either unworthily weak or abusively strong swapped their positions, (usually because people learned how to properly use them/fight against them). Graves is considered OP by many because he has basically the strengh of almost every carry, with almost none of the weakness.


 * He has strong, area of effect burst damage that doesn't sacrifice his autoattack damage output because it's AD scaling AND is instant damage, unlike Missfortune who has to stop attacking to unleash AoE.
 * He has a dash good, giving him strong chase and evasive ability, and a steroid that many carries would envy (he can basically build all AD and not sacrifice his DPS because of it).\
 * He is deceptively resistant because of the passive (by definition, ranged carries should be frail because their RANGE should provide then with protection), and despite all of this advantages, he still gets utility in the form of smokescreen. Also, he is an insane farmer.
 * In comparation to other carries, he trades a little bit of range for receive good mobility, late game scaling AoE nukes, strong steroid, good early game, some utility and high resilance. Althrough he is not the strongest at everything, being almost the best at every point for a almost imperceptible con is what makes him feel cheap.

Having said that, UP, or underpowered, means exactly the opposite: see Evelynn.