Talk:Riven/@comment-203.104.11.12-20130218023857/@comment-68.75.27.0-20130218224100

Garen is a tricky lane for all ad casters who have to get close for their damage, because of his silence. There are a lot of ways that Riven can try and deal with Garen, such as those already mentioned, or starting w and stunning him when he tries to q you, etc. Focus on farming because you really won't be able to kill him unless he messes up big time/ your junger ganks. You can try maxing w too to make him think twice about just trying to q and spin2win. As for why someone might start with an ability other than q on Riven, it could be because you are against a ranged opponent, like Kennen, in which case you want to use e when he aa's you, so the lane pushes in your favor, you can still get cs, and you take little to no damage. I can't think of any melee's that you wouldn't start q on aside from garen and Renekton, but you could start q against them to. Against Garen i'd suggest either going a super-heavy sustain route (pots + ward), boots, or cloth 5. Depending on how he builds, you won't have a chance to 1v1 him until you have a BT, or maybe Black Cleaver, but I haven't tested that one.