Talk:Udyr/@comment-3493296-20150723145110/@comment-25855686-20150731153110

it is strong, but you lack defensive stats, given you go for 2 defensive after you are forced to go randuin and visage for hp and a bit of cooldown or give up cd at all and go banshee's veil

i am using devoured>botrk>frozen heart> banshee>cleaver as tiger and swap visage for banshee and locket for cleaver  as phoenix