Talk:Zed/@comment-26177260-20160531200908/@comment-24496127-20160531215056

On first read I actually thought he was bitching about the untargetability on Zed's ult. Anyway, to an actual response.

I love a challenge. It's good fun to try and overcome things, but the thing is, for something to be a fun challenge, it needs to be fair. While fair an frustrating aren't mutually exclusive, if something is fair it usually means that there are things that you, as the player, can do to overcome the challenge. That's a bit more tricky to get right when it comes to pvp, because ideally, it's fair for both parties, so you can't just have any main character Mary Sue that can rip through hundreds of enemies uncontested with epic mechanics, but you also want everuything to feel impactful when properly utilized, so you can't just make everyone hit each with wet noodles that have a 50 second delay.

The idea of fairness, or as Riot likes to call it, "counterplay" is why Riot has been implementing a lot of delayed damage or mini games into champions lately. It allows for stronger overall abilities, but since there's warning, it's also feels much more fair than other, sometimes even weaker, abilities, so it's unlikely to become a frustrating part of the game. That's just basic design though, so back to Zed.

The reason people complain about him isn't because he's a challenge, it's because he simply lacks the meaningful interraction between players that creates outplay potential, aka counterplay/fairness, while have tons of outplay potential himself via his kit alone. This creates frustration. His engage is also able to dodge abilities and creates an escape(Not to mention does tons of damage), his poke is also a potential engage and can be used to dodge skills, it just ends up with him having so many ways to outplay you it almost feels inevitable that you're going to lose against a good Zed, and unfortunately, hoping someone is just bad isn't counterplay for a champion.

Even QSS and Zhonya's didn't fully negate his usefullness, it certainly made him less effective, but he could even outplay that in multiple ways, without them being as good as they were before. It makes Zed a fun champion, but countering so much while having so few counters yourself just creates frustration, hence the reason people dislike him.