Talk:Sion/@comment-20434720-20140311053144

So I've discovered painfully enough that perhaps one of AD Sion's hardest counters is Xin Zhao. He has low mana costs on all abilities, extremely strong early game zoning power, extremely strong early game kill potential, extremely strong early game snowball potential, extremely strong early game pushing power, etc.

It's worse than Renekton, because when Xin jumps on you (you tried getting within 600 range of your minions...), you're actually going to guaranteed lose half your health bar, and 6 seconds later it's pretty much a guaranteed kill (please offer counterplay for the public knowledge).

It's one thing to not get level 1-3 cheesed by Riven. It's another thing to not have it done by Xin... Whenever that E is up is an ideal time to trade, you can't outtrade him, and as long as you're in range of the E, he will get the full combo off every time. And it's a painful combo (assume 5 auto attacks - one, activeate Q, use those 3, use one last one when you're knocked up). At level 3 this is ~110 damage for each q auto, and 80 damage for each normal auto, as well as 70 from E. 330 + 160 + 70 = 560 damage prior to resistances. Assuming you somehow have 50 armor (cloth 5 start), you take 100 / (100 + 50) damage, or 0.66 from physical damage. 560 * 0.66 =  ~370 actual damage. For reference, at level 3 (you're actually probably 2 because he can and will push harder) assuming you have 550 level 1 health after runes and masteries, you have 550 + (2 * 104) = 758 health. Meaning that a trade by Xin will leave you at half health (assuming he stops after getting the knock up). With no CDR (just Q procs), his E will be up again in another 7 seconds.

TL;DR - Xin can kill you at level 3 *just by trading with his combo* after 2 rotations, which takes a total of ~10 seconds (3 to use the first combo, 7 to wait for the finishing one to come back up). And the only way to avoid it is to simply stay away from him. FAR away.

Of course, if you can manage to dish out that much damage to him every 7 seconds with just Q + AAs, more power to you. But at rank 1 his W gives him 40% AS for 5 seconds, meaning even without his Q knockup/bonus damage or his E, he will still out-damage you. Compared to your measly 35 extra AD you'll have at that point.

And no, your jungler is not going to come help. It's a sad statement, but true, that your jungler is more interested in farming than picking up a free kill on a xin who is literally standing in front of your turret. It's low-elo soloq, after all.