Talk:Garen/@comment-77.98.249.112-20121019015745/@comment-5441738-20121020040605

Hyundie has good points, and I agree with most of them but not the overall assessment. This anon, though....

Silence is really useful, especially if you're being ignored for having no AD in your build. Your spin is still useful, dealing almost 250 damage per second at level 18, which really can't be ignored completely. Furthermore, you'll have to have either auras or Sunfire Cape (or both) so that you are actually relevant in a team fight. Also, if you use your ult when the enemy is around 20-30% of their max health, you'll bring them close to death without actually killing them, so no need for killstealing.

And please don't claim that a short cooldown on Garen's ult doesn't cause abusive lane situations. I was one of the people abusing that move.

Oh, and Darius' ult only synergizes with his passive because it NEEDS TO. With its current setup, it's pretty weak without that, which was one of my main points in Garen's favor.