Talk:Vayne/@comment-8506165-20130813175111/@comment-5955640-20130819180941

Well what we have here is a problem. If you nerf the blade the champs that need it will get hurt and that could possibly make quite a few champs unviable and other champs OP because the weapon had it's stats reduced. If you nerf Vayne though she becomes unviable all together. They nerfed the only thing they could really fiddle with that wouldn't greatly damage one ability to use her.

Looking at the stats though. I'm thinking about it. Maybe it would be better to make silver bolts scale off AD and deal attack damage rather than scale off health and deal true damage. This would still hurt Vayne massively but it would still be strong.

The passive is really just that. Tumble is fine. The mana costs on Condemn are the punishments for overusing it.

And final hour now needs three ranks to be constantly available. As it stands though it still has a shorter cooldown then Quinn's ult. Granted Quinn's ult opens up a lot of different options but it has to be used very carefully. Vayne's ult however is really good in lane and indeed. Once she gets the Blade of the Ruined King she can ult and stealth into the lane and rush you with great impunity. So possibly lengthen the time on Vayne's ult.

MAYBE. I've been watching a lot of matches and people can't seem to handle her in lane And it does take a lot of focus and precise requirements to actually deny her farm early enough to where your Marksman will be of consistent or greater strength than her by the time she gets Blade of the Ruined King.

Overpowered? Maybe not I mean I can take her. It really depends on whose's supporting her. Shut the support down and Vayne has a weak zone and can't kite as well due to low poke range. Real easy to steamroll her then. But if a lot of people are having trouble doing that it's always something Riot could consider I'm sure everything i've said now they've said in their heads and are thinking about it as we speak if they haven't come to a conclusion on the matter already.