Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-67.82.183.116-20110521191157/@comment-38.116.202.8-20110530171349

^^ He's not a tank. Tanks have a significant amount of crowd control and disabling abilities.

His damage is small late-game when everyone's smart enough to buy a Chain Vest in addition to their natural health and armour scaling.

His anti-CC is just anti-slows, in his Judgement ability...which is close-range and his main source of damage. If Garen uses it to remove slows, he'll generally be out of range to hit an enemy with Judgement anyway and thus removing the slow was fairly pointless.

His silence is applied at melee range. Lots of champions can easily cast most of their abilities before Garen gets in range anyway late-game when they all aren't standing nearby bushes.

His ultimate kills people that are mostly dead and shouldn't be staying to contribute to teamfights anyway. Lots of people can secure a kill. Garen just does it a little better. Oh, and you can buy a Negatron Cloak to make it so Garen's ultimate will need you to take so much damage anyone else would do as well killing you with just a slow and hitting you during the duration of the slow anyway. His ultimate is significantly less ultimate late-game.

If he was broken early-game, no one would win against him. That is clearly not the case. His early-game is just significant and powerful. Besides, Garen's scaling isn't 3 out 5 while carries are, say, 5 outta 5. Garen's scaling is 1 outta 5. His late-game is completely boring and unfun.

His passive is broken in the laning phase? Hardly. Be ranged. Farm while Garen is trying to heal himself. If he pops out while not healthy and still trying to heal, hit him. Stay away from the brush. Problem solved. If you're melee, you'll have to deal with that. Garen's just good against melee champions in lane. Have a laning partner who is ranged, or a support - you'll be fine then. Obviously, don't feed him also. You may then either ignore him if he builds mostly tanky or kill him easily if he builds mostly damage later on. If he's building tanky damage, just ignore him and kill him last anyway.