Talk:Talon/@comment-4542190-20160707185612/@comment-28465461-20160810103049

@ Planters

Garen's passive does not allow garen to do garen things (or any melee champion for that matter if they have this kind of passive), sitting in combat spinning. Or farming infront of an aggressive laner like Renekton for example. In team fights you can't even use it for your life, taking hits often, good luck bringing up this passive when you need it while in combat.

Kha zix's lich bane passive, nobody goes AP on khazix and sits in a bush just to hit somebody with this passive unless they want to do this for the laughs.

Akali is weak due to the fact her weak hybrid passive, and only from going AD helps give her bonus magic on-hit damage was only useful, the spell vamp (and AP) part does make her unviable for high elo because it does not help her kit as a whole.

Corki got a serious nerf with that reworked passive that even a yorick with only a muramana for an offensive item is better at auto attacking than Corki full build now. He's currently not okay at all. (I disagree with the marksman update, it was actually a disaster sort of, only two champions were a good change and that was it)

Jayce... Well, would you seriously rather take  40 bonus movement speed for 1 second for just pressing R over 10% more damage on a CCed target??

Morganna doesn't seem like she is healing off of her abilities unless she have really high AP (thus not buying zhonyas and landing Q's. Most morganna players don't buy a lot of AP, they tend to rush zhonyas too for their ult)

Lucian HAVE to use his ability every time, burn a lot of mana to frequently use his passive, the delay on his Q, the magic damage + AP ratio W makes it actually frustrating for a non-lucian main, He's supposed to be an AD caster marksman too... Talon does not have this problem, especially given the fact I am sure that ghostblade is his core item and the active gives attack speed.

The updates so far was not successful in my opinion, the champions that were touched, were constantly getting changes (look at ryze) due to the mistakes from the reworks, and forgetting about the other champions that were promised to get a rework. A lot of talon players will be happy about getting a new passive and E, but we can see how things will turn out. I'm very skeptical about it.