Talk:Swain/@comment-25950012-20191111131102/@comment-32002530-20191128042849

His Q takes a long time to really scale, you have to have 3-4 points into it for it not be be useless.

And his ultimate is not like Katarinas Death Lotus  where she can dish out a lot of damage in a few seconds, Swains ultimate takes.. a while (12 seconds) to ramp up, all within that time frame, the enemy can whittle swain down or just walk away from his ult.

Not to mention most people are not really going to be reaching over 450+ AP anytime into the game, they're building Health-AP items or Ludens into standard comps, maybe throw a tank item, or Spirit visage (Assuming you're going into mid at least)

And with new support items being nerfed, swain is having a hard time finding a role, Swain top, has been dead for a while, doesn't have the range anymore. Swain mid, get's counter-picked so hard he may as well have dodged the match. Swain support, falling off, disgracful role to end up in aswell. Swain APC, not really viable in solo, a good duo can pull it off, but really any good duo pulls anything off.