Talk:Graves/@comment-25855686-20151108040014/@comment-26203093-20151108195722

Because the damage on the Q is disgusting, I can imagine essence reaver rush and lifesteal being toxic to lane against. I think shen can be countered just by pushing into him with Q because of his terrible clear. Who knows; he might even get hit. Malphite is going to be untradeable, though. Potions and teleport might make that bearable. Don't know yet. Could be good graveseseses manage to keep the true grit going via stray pelets hitting champions, and suddenly being able to go in because of it. Again, can't tell how reliable that might be.