Talk:Vayne/@comment-33630101-20171112143816/@comment-33648932-20171114152529

Alright, I'm going to get on with this one by one.

"can chase down practically anything"

Sure she can, but the movement speed buff is only little. If she really wishes to chase you down, then fight back and try to outdamage/outplay her. She has her Q, but it only positions a short distance. Hard CC that greatly impairs movement counters her constatnt use of Tumble. If you think she can use that foar dodging, then try practicing predicting movement and git gud??

"can outdamage practically anything"

% maximum hp true damage is a strong passive on her, but you're forgetting that she has to persistently proc it and that she's squishy as hell. Vayne can lose against ADCs whose kits are more of a burst type like Tristana. There's also Caitlyn who outranges her and can scatter her traps around the lane to keep Vayne from having a peaceful laning phase.Though I'm not saying she'll only lose to those kinds, it will all base on your skill. How good you play versus Vayne no matter what ADC you use to lane against.

"constant stealth dashing around makes it nearly impossible to focus her down in a teamfight"

"nearly impossible"? In a teamfight, Vayne will be stealthed but she will have to contribute as much as she could, so she won't be stealthed for long. When applied with hard cc (like stuns, snares), she'll struggle a whole lot. And as I mentioned above, she's squishy. So it's preferable that you or your team prioritize her first since she deals a good amount of damage even if she's not that fed. If Vayne will stay at the back, then have someone save a position to assassinate her as her team endures the teamfight.

"Maximum%hp TRUE damage... what were they thinking??"

You're forgetting that she has to attack three times for that to proc. She will struggle at early game since she will have really low attack speed and nothing in her kit can help improve that. They gave her that tank-slaying strength in exchange for her indisputable lack of defense. which, again, makes her a squishy champion.

"...and nom her early game isn't really "weak" like people claim... just because she doesn't have spam poke like Ezreal doesn't make her "weak"...

I've kinda already discussed this so I'll point these out short. In early game, she is weak because:

>She lacks attack speed

>Is really squishy/defenseless

>She's most likely doomed when applied with hard cc especially Morgana's Q.

I hope you understand all of these, and next time, try not to only focus on a champ's pros. All champions are strong in their own way, but they also have weaknesses.