Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-3554826-20110703052231/@comment-98.252.26.207-20110705191534

I dunno. I've never played a champ who I felt was OP and UP at the same time.

Garen seems OP to newer players who play against him. But Garen is difficult/impossible to carry games with, so Garen players tend to think he's UP. You know the whole thing about his scaling being bad and blahblahblah.

But after playing a lot of other champions, I kind of realize how good we Garen players have it.

He feels both broken and perfectly fine at the same time.

Late-game, I build Youmuu's on him and force my team to push if I feel we need it. Garen's a good pusher. He's good at everything, but seems to be a very team dependent champ.

I'm trying very hard to come up with a good set of builds for him, but am having a hard time because so many item combinations are "good" on him, but nothing really stands out. I think this is part of why he feels UP.

I do this crazy thing where I level Decisive Strike last and build Boots of Swiftness on him most of the time. I like the beefiness of Courage.

I'd like other people's insight on him, though. Like, what do you guys do with him besides build tanky?