Talk:Viktor/@comment-75.133.147.122-20120108111913/@comment-75.133.147.122-20120108195811

Morde has zero CC and nearly no range on the bulk of his skills, and Veigar has a perimeter stun with a large cooldown and has zero survivability and nearly no damage once his ult is used. If you like Morde and Veigar better, use them. All that's being said is that everyone and their grandma is whining about Viktor having 3 skills that no matter which is augmented, the improvement won't make up for what the other two are lacking. The fact is that those two are only lacking because no one is using him as they should be. Ages ago Janna got an extreme buff making her CC value arguably second to none. After the CC got abused and she became good enough to carry or do whatever she wanted, she got a hardcore nerf because she shouldn't have been buffed in the first place. The problem was that people who tried her out had used her for the wrong purpose, and whined about her inadequacy. Now people are whining just like that on Viktor.

For those that don't know what I'm talking about on Janna, her cyclone used to toss up for a full second instead of .33 secs, Her shield used to last 10 seconds I believe instead of 5 seconds, and her ultimate used to slow anyone who tried to approach Janna again, among other nerfs. All of these effects were on Janna pre-buff, but people couldn't figure out how to use them.