Talk:Riven/@comment-5037376-20170415192424/@comment-26203093-20170506045546

It's so funny watching people smugly slip on banana peels.

Guess what? Those aren't lane counters. Those are whether or not you win THE GAME against those champs.

Malphite's the kind of champion that just loses pretty much every god damn matchup in lane, but turns that shit around for teamfights later.

He does, however, not fucking win against a jayce in lane despite his 60% winrate. He gets poked up and just soaks XP til he's useful. Or, he could, as has been repeated ad nauseum by now, run down the lane and feed and wonder what's going wrong.

Why he counters jayce is because Jayce primarily wants to siege and keep his distance later. Malphite has an ult about the range if his poke that throws him up in the air and lets the team throw themselves on jayce. Doesn't get to poke much then.

Now that's just the factor of one champion's effect on team dynamic over time. I'm not about to explain how the meta and popular team comps affect those charts. If you want to keep thinking it's dodging tentacles is what gives you an edge over illaoi, then go ahead.