Talk:Karma/@comment-6102571-20140227073233/@comment-7460908-20140227181826

It's really one of those situational-type deals you're proposing. Visage would be better all-around, because it's one of the best "selfish" stat chunks in the game; not to mention its passive has heavy troll-potential with Renewal.

Abyssal I would only really grab if I was on a team that was pure AP. Otherwise, if I wanted the MagPen I would just grab Liandry's.