Board Thread:Game discussion/@comment-218.186.15.10-20130322103639/@comment-5606883-20130325095609

You missed my points...

I never said that Darius "automatically wins his lane" because I've destroyed many Darius' as Kayle. My point was that he counters about 90% of the common solotop champions, and the champions that -do- counter Darius are rarely played. Darius will destroy (assuming each person has an equal ammount of skill and knowledge of League) Nasus, Fiora, Riven, Wukong, and many other popular tops. I never said that he was uncounterable, in fact, I listed a few strong counters to Darius (Nidalee, Kayle, Cho'Gath, Elise, and you mentioned Vi which I agree could counter Darius if she is played well) but only two of those champions are "popular" picks right now, and Elise requires -alot- of skill to play effectivly.

And Darius does have strong utility in his lane, the thing is that his utility benefits himself, instead of the team. He can and will out trade you in early fights before lvl 6 because of his bleed (which -will- deal over 100 damage with just a pull and a few autoattacks, remember it scales with AD) and because of his passive armor pen and the fact that many Darius players use Armor pen runes. So that Cloth Armor you bought, yeah....negated. And say Darius buys Cloth Armor+5pots, that means he's even tankier than you now. His bleed is a constant pokeing tool a lvl 2 Q + bleed will keep the enemy behind his minons which will deny him CS.

CS is -the- most important thing in the game. And if you deny the enemy a chance to CS, you are effectivly turning the game into a 4v5 because they will be underleveled and have little to no items (unless it is a support champion, in which case they would be in bot lane...not top)  so it doesn't matter what kind of utility you can offer your team if you die within 2 seconds of a team fight because a breeze knocked you over. And if you stay behind everyone in a team fight, guess what? 4v5, 99% of the time the 5 wins.

You say to freeze the lane, a smart Darius understands his advantage in lane and will freeze the lane in the middle, or if it becomes pushed, at his tower. So that means for every 5 CS Darius gets, the enemy Fiora might get 1 or 2- and if she goes for more she is in great danger of Darius' combo + ignite. Which would only give him a bigger advantage.

And I also want to make this clear- I do not think that Darius is "OP", I don't think any champion is "OP" and I hate people who complain that someone is just because they lost a lane or some other dumb excuse. However, I do believe that Darius has a broken skill that gives him too much dominance, his pull. His E should have it's range reduced to allow for kiting and escape potential. Right now, if you go to last hit a melee minion, Darius can be all the way behind his ranged minions and -still- land his E on you. That''' should not happen. '''