Talk:Zilean/@comment-20434720-20140328025912

I see many people asking for a zilean rework... the only things I really see Zilean as needing changed are his E and his passive. His passive could use work simply because hidden power is bad (ala old TF, Janna passive - the capability to potentially autowin your teammate's lanes for them simply by picking Zilean shouldn't exist), while his E could use the utility scaling love everyone else seems to be getting.

His damage, even late game, is much stronger than people seem to realize. Zilean does everything Lulu mid (which is reallllly popular right now) does for the most part, and in many cases better. His double bomb is far superior to all of Lulu's damage put together, he has 200% uptime on his E, and his ult will give far more health back than Lulu's, all while having shorter effective cooldowns on all of them.

Thoughts? If they changed his passive to a small AOE it would really discourage being in a solo lane, and he'd get landed with support a lot more - unless the xp gain buff also applied to him.

Zilean's damage remains strong because nowadays you won't see base damages/scalings like Zilean's Q on "modern" champions. The fact he can use it twice in success puts his overall poke/burst at 640 (+1.8 AP) which, by the time he maxes out CDR, is on a 6 second CD. Know what else is on a 6 second CD and does actually a fair bit less than that? Nidalee spears. Only you can dodge them (granted Zilean's Q-W-Q costs 3x as much mana).