Talk:Shyvana/@comment-4929329-20121028023335/@comment-49.126.143.156-20121114184900

Funny how he said q with madreds.Madreds is a late item aka,not really jungling.I am sure you mean wriggles.

And here are the reasons to take E before Q-

E is a quick burst.Use it properly since it's a skill shot.

E reduces 15% armour making it ideal for hunting creeps.

E gives you 15% damage of the intial damage on hit for 4 seconds.

And the reasons you should not max Q first.

You're potentially a bruiser.Your ad won't be high.So the effectivness of the q is severly reduced early on.

You're not going to get a lot of q's in early.That's when you jungle i.e.

You're not going to be able to do much damage with q in a gank or get a potential last hit if you need.

Oh and use w for clearing.You wont need anyother spell for the creeps.You know excluding the ancients.

And Q is not a great duel skill,early on when you need to jungle and gank or counter jungle.E is.A burst,15% armour reduction and extra magic damage easily out ranks an attack every 7 seconds or so,early on.And for counter jungling a full w,one q and one e with smite can clear any camp.A dragon is risky no matter how you have it.A wriggle will bring it down with or without your q maxed if it is safe.