Talk:Elise/@comment-9073156-20130520143053/@comment-5763148-20130601015359

U build Mpen and some defensive items which lead into AP gears early game with Elise anyways when u Top Lane, if not all game in any role. Since her kit is about HP% Damage, she doesn't need many AP items if u know what ur doin. Just get CDR items like Kayle and max it so u can constantly shift back and forth between forms while dealing major damage quickly.

As for the nerfs yeah Elise and Kayle got nerfed quite abit. But Elise's nerf was about her Kit power only, she can still do what she always did. Kayle on the other hand... Her early game was made weaker now cos of the Q remake and the alterations of most of her mainstream items have made her weaker early game too. If u build AD on Kayle instead of AP u build more consistently, but u get countered more easily too...