Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-5185966-20120715201544/@comment-4929329-20120717224429

Getting mana-fixing items is usually a very bad indicator because it means you're having to use your abilities often, which means you're constantly using your EQ combo, which despite what some people think, is not an efficient way to harass because harassing is supposed to be a one-sided thing, where you get hurt less. That combo puts you next to your enemies with half your kit on Cooldown, now, you tell me, does that sound like a good idea?

Jarvan's BEST harass is his passive. I never spam Q in lane, never [I almost always miss anyways]. Instead, I wait until the enemy Riven or whatever decides it's a good idea to gapclose or harass, and in the middle of their harass, I'll use EQ and sometimes I'll use my shield if they are in my minions, because that's about an extra 100 dmg from minions right there. The most common use of Q I have is to force a low HP opponent to either feed me or leave the lane. When teamfights come, that's when the utility part of Q is really useful. Instead of spamming Q to harass, I use it to farm when I'm low and can't fight :p

Athene's does nothing for you. Absolutely nothing. Especially if you manage your kit well. Philo's has become my jungling item just because it lets me jungle for a bit longer, but I don't take it in top lane. If you want some sustain, I guess you could grab Wriggle's Lantern.

When I say dmg, don't think Infinity Edge, think Bruiser item instead of Carry item. I want to emphasize the power of items like Sheen or Phage or Maw of Malmortimus.