Talk:Maokai/@comment-24.23.136.250-20110614055843/@comment-174.57.233.86-20110623054225

Those matches do look a lot better. But he's still definitely not "one of strongest tanky chars around."

Even if we just consider tanky APs, he's better than Gragas and Mord but that's about it. His Immob is decent but Ryze can do that as well and deal much more damage without losing mitigation. As much I dislike Swain, he's also got significantly better ratios, better CC, and lasts longer in fights. It's not just them either, Rumble, Alistar, late-gameTanky Kennen, Cho, all of them fulfill this dual role better.

The problem is in his lackluster ultimate. Early game when few team mates have much armor/MR, its 20% is great... too bad enemies can just decide to leave when they see it. Late game? Your team mates probably have bought a Banshee's veil, a GA, or something else; now that 20% isn't helping out nearly as much as it would have early game, frankly enemies can ignore it out right.