Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-5763148-20131114013707/@comment-9705522-20131118221117

... i never said ori is easy. well, unless i meant skillcap. there is a difference between skillcap and skill ceiling. picking up and playing ori is, to some degree, easy. but that applies to about everyone o.0

insec is easy, and syndra is hard to some degree. its a lot about micro and field manipulation. insec is just all about timing. play osu for a week or 2 and that will be no problem.

i didnt say you never played in a higher league. i just said that you didnt play in multiple higher leagues. if id start at bronze and go to silver i wouldnt notice anything at first. same for silver and gold. if i start at bronze and go to gold on the other hand, i should notice it. and it isnt the mobility that makes him easy (remember zed? still hard, but high mobility as well). its the lack of anything that makes him hard. ori has micro (you are essentially controlling 1.5 champions) and field control, syndra has field control, zed has micro (shadows), others have hard skillshots or mechanics, but lee has nothing. also, nerfs would be bad. either they have little to no effect, or they completely break lee. either are bad. he isnt overpowered, he is .... a bad design. a "toxic" one if you want so. and there are 2 things you can do. a, nerf into oblivion, or b, rework. id go with rework, there are quite a few people who enjoy lee after all, so reworking him is a bit better.