Talk:Udyr/@comment-2248060-20130322012415/@comment-5489694-20130322034329

Turtle loses it's mana regen on hit and they reduce rank 1 mana costs by 5, cool trade off bro... Turtle can crit (?) not really a big deal seeing how Udyr isn't a carry like Yi or Trynd... 15 flat ms is barely noticable and doesn't scale with items like 12% of your resistances purchased... Tiger does physical damage so now your opponents can just build a chain vest and you're screwed in lane; sure you can finally build BC and be a cool kid but you're going to get wiped if you build that...

I honestly hope this doesn't go live, or is really really inaccurate. Those are far from buffs, it seems like a huge nerf (for no reason, he's not a pub stomper) tbh.