Board Thread:Wiki discussions and announcements/@comment-145064-20140320170332/@comment-3308937-20140323022637

I have gone ahead and removed quite a lot of replies based around Teh's editing of the logs. It disturbs me that an ex-mod like Blood apparently can't read edit diffs and how fast others jump on the "Teh's awful" bandwagon for something that's so glaringly obvious. Lions doesn't surprise me since he's always been grasping for straws in regards to trying to get people to turn on Teh.

In regards to whether or not the chat should be logged I can safely say I honestly don't care either way. There's pros and there's cons, as there are with anything

Since neutralizing/debating single points seems to be what I do best I'll just go ahead and do that:


 * Privacy and the invasion of it changing how users act and limiting how users communicate and how PMs aren't a good alternative due to them being 1 on 1. Mostly, as Lions points out, "lots of personal discussion, gossiping, and politics happen on chat"

With the groupPM that I enabled you can now have personal discussions with more than one user outside of the main chat allowing people to keep up their little private discussions without fear of other users seeing what they're saying. Also, personally, limiting the amount of gossiping and politics, especially when most of those discussions are between or started by users who aren't even active wiki editors (ie: chat dwellers) is a good thing. Like seriously, this is a wiki full of volunteers who do this for fun or as a hobby, not some government where people's livelihoods are on the line.


 * Why don't we just put our trust in cmods?

Because we don't have enough active cmods, plain and simple. After the "restructuring" we lost practically all of them.


 * Why don't we just get more cmods?

As I say in chat all the time, nominate yourself or someone you think can handle the rights at League of Legends Wiki:Requests for Permissions. Personally, to be perfectly honest, I don't think practically any of the users I see on chat regularly would make good cmods, I mean I don't even think some of our current cmods make trustworthy cmods (Kitty's always away or too passive, Blood showed her problems with banning scary earlier for no reason other than he was annoying and then slapped a bullshit excuse like "harassment" on it). It's the same issue that we have with mods, we could use more but there just aren't really any good picks at the moment.


 * The fact that chat is being logged isn't visible enough, especially with the logger being a bot that looks like a user in chat

I partially agree with this and, with Nysty's aide, have worked on this by adding to the chat header and the welcome message you receive upon entering chat. More can be done, like asking for the URL bot back, but I'd rather wait until we settle this out before moving on more permanent solutions.

Personally I think people are overreacting in regards to having to tone themselves down because they're being logged. As Fei said I highly doubt anyone's going to be bored enough to read through them but, at the same time, I can see why people think this way. As such I propose a policy change:

Users should not be able to banned purely because of something seen later in the chat logs. Basically I believe that if, say, Nysty shares a particularly risque image, and no one in chat at the time has a particular problem with it then why should Nysty be banned out of the blue by someone who wasn't even there. Now, I'm not saying Nysty shouldn't be warned or be told to be careful with sharing images like that as they are, technically, against the chat rules and could offend some users but that would be it.