Talk:Athene's Unholy Grail/@comment-194.219.216.132-20120425220631/@comment-149.169.174.223-20120426182255

This is implying your farming the grails and then killing them in the first place. Also just because you have mana doesn't mean your spells don't have a cooldown. Double grails, deathcap, visage, and boots is 5 items. If you haven't just snowballed (which by buying double grails and putting that much money into mr/mana/cdr (which you can max out without items anyways) your early game is not going to be great) then at this point in the game the ad's should be outdoing you in damage anyways.

You'd have 390 ap from that full build (excluding runes/masteries) an alternative roa/ deathcap / hourglass / abyssal gives you 507 ap, more overall resists along with hp to make better use of the resists, mr lowering for your team, and an active. Not necessarily the best comparison but it should suffice.

As a quick sidenote the only hp you'd get from your build would be visage and you'd be using base armor. Sure you'd have 80 mr....but that 80 mr alone doesn't make you suddenly tanky vs their team. Damage/defense wise abyssal is pretty much just plain > than grail (and it helps your whole team!)