Talk:Kayle/@comment-1876049-20121028112248/@comment-4881935-20121028202833

^ is your reason for bring up the ultimate (even though I already acknowledge that the ultimate is great) that it alone is makes her a top tier support because I still have no idea why you keep talking about it. My issue is that her other abilities is not strong enough to be a top-tier 0 CS support. (by top tier, i'm not saying must have, but very accepted).

And by half the kit not being used is this: Her damage amplification is not being used, the dual high scaling for Q is not being used, without a large amount of attack speed the shred is extremely weak for your teammates as it will take too long to stack to max range before most of the damage is dealt. With little form of damage items, your E is also becoming very ineffective and you're merely tickling people with it. That's an innate passive, half of Q's effects, and E not being used to their best potential, therefore, I call it half her kit.

And here's another thing I see where your's and my opinions differs, I don't have much of a care about her early game because almost any champion can be a strong support champion during the early game. I have seen successful Wukong, Ashe, Cait, Nasus, Path, Poppy, Fiddle, Gankplank, Lee Sin, Teemo, Viktor, Annie, and a tons more played bot lane as a support and bully the lanes extremely effective and even straight out denied them, but that doesn't make them viable support champion because by late game, their utility can't keep them being useful with little offensive stats.

And really, is being able to kill minions when needed that vital for a support? If there was farmed champion pushing against a 0 CS kayle, she would only be able to defend it as well as a 0 CS sona.

In my personal belief, her slow becomes outclass by mid-late game, her heal is average (and not high enough to reasonably suspect to save people's life by the mid-late game), speed boost is also average. I will like to say that they aren't bad utility, but they aren't near as powerful as a dedicated in utility. Her ultimate is the only thing that makes her support even worth something, but that alone isn't worth her being a 0 cs support.