Talk:Vladimir/@comment-26420137-20150521100653/@comment-24496127-20150609024958

Ok, so your jungler ganks Vlad because you couldn't abuse him in the five minutes of laning it takes to get to level 5. If vlad has even a revolver, you're most likely going to be poked down to at least half hp from his q by the time the jungler comes. At this point, he can EASILY turn the gank around assuming he's about level 7 or 8. An req will kill the top from about half if they aren't a tank. If they are, then you can probably kill the jungler, or at least disuade them from diving.

There are four poor match ups listed there. Out of them, two are basically unviable in top lane (or in general, in mords case). Riven needs to play stupidly agressive, or else she gets outscaled by level seven. Sure you could argue that Rivens play stupidly agressive anyway, but that's a different thing altogether, and a good Vlad can just farm at tower early against Riven. Rumbles a problem for him when played well. That's one out of an already small amount.

This doesn't change the fact that in EVERY match up, there's nothing you can do if Vlad gets ahead. It doesn't matter who you're playing, you will end up poked too low to fight, and Vlad will be too risky to gank for most junglers. Did I menttion pool actually DOES make ganking him really hard? It makes it so you require some sort of instant cc in order to stop him. Even things like Vi's ult are useless against it. I honestly can't think of a jungler currently in meta that can cc him before he pools. He walks, sees you use cc, then pools. That's how a good vlad escapes any gank that's actually a threat.

So you want to know why Vlad is toxic? The same reason that people consider Akali, Annie, or old Ryze toxic. ''You can't outplay him. ''That's the basis of it. It sucks to walk into lane, trade with someone, then see them full hp ten seconds late, while you're too low to risk trading again.