Talk:Zyra/@comment-26808509-20180406183401

Hah, the feeling when you set up 5 seeds around a choke point, bait the enemy team into them and then proc them with a quick E/Q - R combo but all your plants just disappear because Syvana pressed W.

Counterplay for Zyras plants is important, I understand this. Unlike other "Minion mancers" she is having her pets around a lot more frequently and in a great mass, as compensation they are stationary and fragile. But that some champs (not onöy one ore two but a pretty big group) is able to clear her pets within a second in an AoE is just stupid. They are a big portion of her damage and tje majority of her zoning potential. Put a Shyvana in the enemy team and she loses both of the aspects and that's not what I call counterplay, that' deleting an important part od someones kit with minimum effort.

Shyvana W. Garen E. Miss Fortune E. Morgana W. Wukong R. Swain R. Nasus R. Renekton R. Fucking Sunfire Cape. You lierally only need a tank with Sunfire to delete a big part of Zyras kit.

And this is only on top of the fact that meele AA's oneshot them. I'm actually fine with this and that on-hit effects on AA's do extra damage to plants and that single target spells oneshot them. Because this way people really have to act to kill the plants so they actually zone enemies. But having AoE dots killing them within seconds is just stupid, especially since most of them are Auras and these people only have to stand naxt to the plants to kill them.