Talk:Ryze/@comment-24496127-20151101060816/@comment-24496127-20151102061553

@Ein

Yes I really am. It wasn't too bad when people weren't playing him often, but then he was played once in the lcs by Faker and now it's already being seen more in my solo q games to a point where the inherent frustration of his playstyle is getting to me to a point that I'm hoping someone has some secret strategy that beats him. I mean, he takes practice to play, but a decent high plat/low diamond level Ryze(most of them know, at minimum, how to screw your laning phase like a Teemo on steroids) Is easily one of the most frustrating experiences to play against.

He's weak in that it takes genuine knowledge on him to be strong mid game when teamfights are first starting, especially if his team struggled. That's when you can shut him down, albiet it's pretty difficult the first few times. It's really just the fact that it feels like a binary loss if I  try to fight him  get in range of him early on that annoys me.

@Oda

Yes I want suggestions, but more so things that I can do as anyone than just counterpicks. In truth I was really hoping someone had some strange build that completely shut him down, or some way to play against him in general that allows you to beat him in duels. I was pretty sure I wouldn't get some great suggestion that lets me beat him everytime, but it was still worth it, in my opinion, to just hope that I had been doing something wrong.

Basically, I was hoping for a case of "Build QSS against Warwick" rather than a "Play Gangplank against Warwick" type of answer, if that analogy makes sense, because the first case doesn't restrict your ability to fight a champion down to having the right champion picked. Counterpicks are helpful, don't get me wrong, just not quite general enough that I wasn't going to ask if there was more.