Talk:Riven/@comment-13014780-20130827081122/@comment-5707860-20130907225314

yes knockup can allow for an extra AA but a knockback has more positioning advantages then a knockup which could allow for more.

theres a major difference in being able to 100-0 a jayce who builds damage and goes 21-9 as oppose to a renekton who builds health and armor and goes 9-21

i did not look at ur profile til the edit. since you took the elo comment as an insult i will run with it. top 19% is still silver. silver is silver regardless of tiers, you will still play with other silvers and gold 5s every now and then. from watching my friends play getting from silver 5 to silver 1 is nothing as in silver you still play against bronze players who sqeaked by there. the hump from silver 1 to gold 5 is one of the biggest challeges for a silver player as it is a big indication if you are a decent solo que player (notice the decent part as my opinion of gold isnt that high either). with the change from elo to league system you cant just play and win and lose at random intervals and still go up. you can do that to get league points but then you are forced to win a timely 3 out of 5 set.

"And about Renekton, that dash 1) has to hit a minion to get the second off, and 2) if you can bait it with a combo without ult, your abilities are up before his dash."

we already had the renekton vs riven matchup in the past you disagreed the first time then you went back and said:

"I always felt like the Riven vs Renekton top lane was really equal, as I had a hard (but fun) time winning it as Riven, but now that I was playing the Renekton I think he actually has an edge over Riven... Or maybe I just picked up Renekton insanely fast."

and to finish off Renekton does not need to hit a minion to get his second dash he can hit a champion. the difference between Rivens Q and Renektons E is 5 seconds. most of the time Renekton wont even need the second dash. he can simply Q in range, W to stun, E away and keep walking. Riven will have to spend two to three dashes to catch up.