Talk:Shyvana/@comment-78.171.134.17-20120915210226/@comment-70.81.137.228-20121005184824

Since her passive reduce the cooldown on E every auto attack by 0.5 second, leveling q for CD seems secondary for me. Also, E scaling become more relevant only late game when you have much more AD. You only get a 5% of you attack damage as damage increase. As shyvana, you gain 3.4 attack damage per level, if you do not get any early attack damage, this isn't worth leveling. Just some math so you can see the point; we have a level 2 shiv, she leveled up q and w. Her q (the bonus hit only) currently does 46.16 (80% of 54.3+3.4), now she level up. Her AD is now 54.3+2x3.4 = 61.1 and her q damage is now 48.88, about 2 damage increase. Now if you level it up, 61.1/100x85 = 51.935 a 5 damage increase from the precedent level. 46.16 to 51.935 if you level up Q. Without leveling Q, 46.16 to 48.88. If you look at the E math you will see why this one is inferior to level up.

For E, sure the pen does not increase, but since her passive does : Each autoattack that hits debuffed targets will deal 15% of the ability's damage as additional magic damage. When you icrese the damage of E, you also increase your overall damage because both hit of Q will proc this. Let's say your E does 80 damage, 15% = 12 so every auto attack while the debuff is on does 12 additional magic damage. If you level it to level 2, it goes up to 125, 15% = 18.75 per auto attack. So the base damage from level 1 to 2, goes up from 45, and the passive goes up from 12 to 19. If you do not level this up, none of the damage goes up and it will dealing no damage until you start leveling it. mid game 80 damage when mostly everyone has at least 50% damage reduction it does 40 damage, let's just get hit by a minion...