Talk:Talon/@comment-5779359-20130208112206/@comment-112.208.113.52-20130209144129

If you're against a decent bot lane, you won't be getting any kills during laning phase because they know if they dont mess up during laning, talon with no items is useless the entire game. They don't need to fight you because if they just dont die in lane and keep up in cs, they win the lane.

Furthermore, a decent ADC doesn't need you to "soften up" the minions. He can perfectly last hit on his own. And why will you rake a minion wave? That will just push up the lane and make your lane a whole lot easier to gank. Unless you're 2v1'ing and going for a fast push / lane swap, pushing the wave is a bad idea.

As for getting your ADC kills, like I said, if your bot lane opponents are retarded and try to fight talon + ADC with something like sona + ADC, of course you'll win. But if they just stay safe and farm, when it comes to mid game, you are going to be a huge liability to your team.

You might win a few games against mediocre enemies, but against decent ones, Talon support is not that good. If you want to have a bruiser/assassin as a support, choose ones that can be useful even WITHOUT items.