Talk:Shen/@comment-4659726-20121025061403/@comment-4659726-20121028071311

^^^ I'll ignore the "emulating the pros" part. I know why he is strong but I only take notes about what things work and don't. I'm not really a big fan of any pro team or player and only listen to summaries about what happens in tournaments. Ain't nobody got time for a full tournament with 30+ min games. So I know things like Ionic spark work, madred's bloodrazor doesn't and a few other basic build/strategy type things.

^^ Support shen suffers from the inability to get items, generally supports are supports because they can function somewhat well without items. And while using your teleport to help out another lane, doing it bot lane is more punishing than it is top lane as your carry is now left alone to fend for themselves. It works for top lane because that lane is isolated and generally a 1v1 with occasional jungler interruptions.

I dislike the words "kill lane" because it is solely based off of the assumption that you will get kills. If you have a competent bot lane who knows that vs a kill lane you just farm and out scale the enemy and maybe get a gank if they push too hard...well lets just say that a kill lane is really not worth it. These things work because they have been tested and have numbers and reasons to support why characters are played as such. Ap mid, jungler, solo top, support ad carry bot...going against the meta because you like doing things that are unorthodox without knowing if it'll work or not...I can't agree with it. (don't be a hipster). You can certainly try new characters in the support role such as zyra, support, but if their main job is to "kill" for a kill lane. Then you aren't doing it properly.