Talk:Riven/@comment-26203093-20160811142748/@comment-4834593-20160814192845

So, first off on the W vs E maxing second - there's not really a debate there. Your damage during the midgame is good, no matter what, because your passive, Q and R together are simply always enough. If not, you're so far behind the game is over anyways. On top of that, you want more mobility over more stuns, and you will have more use for the shield as, as I already mentioned, your damage is high enough. This means that there are three different reasons to take E over W second. The only time I ever take W second, is because I am extremely far ahead, and then you have to think along the lines of at least dominating by the time I get to the point of choosing (level 8), because by then it's not anymore about wheter you kill them, but trying to kill them as fast as possible (and without ult if possible).

This means that, to make W ever more attractive than E in a non-extreme situation, you have to give a huge bonus on it, other than increasing it's damage. The only other thing you can buff - as I already mentioned, those cooldowns get extremely low so you don't want to reduce them - is the stun duration. For that to be enough, I'd want at least 1.5 seconds at max rank, maybe even more.

And that is simply not something Riven should have in her kit, because it would allow her to win teamfights by flashing in with W.