Talk:Katarina/@comment-24621775-20150526012829/@comment-6061249-20150527103757

"Tank meta argument" is the most misused one.

Lots of people claimed that, and few more champs became weaker than before due to tanks taking the top spot. Meanwhile, almost every mentioned pick to be weaker actually raises in win rate.

At the peak of tanks' power (before Cinderhulk nerfs), Riven had 54% win rate and almost 20% pick rate at diamond+. You may say "pick counters". "Search for weaknesses". Well, guess what. My main champ is said to be the bane of Riven's existence. I managed to stomp Riven countless times, and i continued to do so. Stomping her hard in lane used to remove the danger for the rest of the game.

Then, poof - tank meta. And you know what? Things changed. I kept shutting her down. But one thing wasn't same anymore - after getting shut down, instead of staying useless for the rest of the match, she walked out of lane and regained power over 10-15 minutes. Every single time. I could go GODDAMN 10/0 ON HER. Still not enough.

Riven's problem is not "tanks she cannot kill, tanks that CC her". Riven's problem is "something that gains even a slightest advantage of power and kills her before she starts the rampage". , however strong it was (and is), was the perfect example of how not to build against Riven. Health instead of armor, sustained damage instead of a quick, solid punch. The whole point is there.

Now, back at Katarina. Such a poor champ. She cannot nuke tanks. So useless.

No.

Everyone seems to miss a one little thing that happened between all of the mess. Thing that changed everything by a massive degree.

It made a significant difference. Tank meta itself is a bad thing for Katarina. But thanks to the Echo, she gained an advantage. Advantage of instapicking squishies before tanks could even say a word. This would never happen in previous metas, she would get rekt by someone else before putting a nail in the coffin for the enemy team.

And, for the worst, Luden equals a massive powerspike, no matter how far behind Katarina is, meaning she became almost impossible to shut down.

Eh, does it even matter that i try to speak there, everyone will repeat "search for weaknesses" every time anyway.