Talk:Brand/@comment-30742193-20170113130956/@comment-26808509-20170205141311

Problem with the damage supports is that they are pretty selfish. They are highly involved in the current state of ADC's and them being the victims every game, because they focus on killing the enemies botlane instead of peeling for their ADC (in most cases). A Zyra can't do much against the Rengar that jumps on a MF, because she neither has a shield, a heal or any reliable peel. The only chance these damage supports have to help their ADC's is shutting the Assassins down faster than the Assassins kill their ADC and that only works if they don't tunnel on the enemies squishy targets.

It is true that damage supports aren't as reliant on their ADC's as "real" supporters, but the problem is, they can't replace the ADC. Mages, even DPS mages such as Brand and Zyra, can't deal enough DPS to compete with an ADC, especially against tanky targets and they can't push towers either. Because damage supporter often don't give a shit about their ADC, they end up being behind. This leads to a strong mage, but an almost useless ADC and that's a trade I wouldn't call worth. The only chance for the ADC not to fall behind, is to free farm, while the support zones/kills the enemy botlane. However, most games with damage supports end before ADC's become relevant anyways, that's why it actually works. So, you could say it's not the damage supports that have to be nerfed, it's the whole game progress and the courve of ADC's. Because right now it's not worth to pick something to really support the ADC, because he won't be strong enough till minute 30 to actually do something relevant.