Talk:Gragas/@comment-24055932-20131120011545

In my opinion, Gragas is a bit too strong -

He has a long ranged AoE skillshot that highly scales with AP and lowers attack speed, a  (low cd) dodge/initiate that aswell can serve as flash, an ultimate that can destroy positioning or giving your team a free kill (or save your ass), and with w and passive extra life regen, Mana, Attack Damage (even more than some AD-Casters get) and fucking reduced damage.

While each of these stats isn't OP for itself, the whole set just gives you so much power and possibilities, and, make him usefull like everywhere...

18% less damage at e, which can be held permanently active with 20% cooldown reduction, that's for a guy with 100 armor and mr each 43 more (and it gets more as you go and get more stats), that additionally can't be lowered by penetrating stats.