Talk:Olaf/@comment-7620198-20131127013407/@comment-24073465-20131127050648

Generally, with Olaf I go 9-21-0...his E is good enough damage at all stages of the game, so much of the ArPen, bonus AD, etc doesn't help as much beyond laning phase...also, in TF, your job is to find and kill carries. Since most carries don't get armor, your 8% Arpen will just penetrate about 8 armor or even less...a brutalizer would be better...The Arpen is useful only against tanks with lots of armor, though if you're fighting those before carries, you're dead...also, your true damage helps out against such tanks...

In the defense masteries, I get everything except Tenacious and also get Hardiness, Reinforced Armor and Runic Shield (Runic Shield could be used somewhere else if you desire)...I don't get enchanted armor because it works on BONUS Armor and MR, and translates into 5-10 extra Armor/MR in late...the 9 in offense is sorcery (CDR), Expose Weakness, Brute Force and Martial Mastery...

Skillwise, it's R>E>Q>W...though early game I may add a second point in E to keep it's damage significant or to W if I just need to sustain/Can't really beat my lane...

If the opponent is more of a ranged poke type who I can't get close to (Kennen, Jayce, Nidalee, Elise, etc), The skill order then becomes R>Q>E>W...

Itemwise, there are 6 starting paths: 1) Shield+potion, 2) cloth+5 potion 3)Rejuv Bead+6 potion (HP&MP potions, usually 5-1 or 4-2) + ward 4) 5 HP+ 4 MP+ wards 5) Doran's blade+potion  6) Sword+3 potions

Generally, I usually take 1 or 2 on most enemies, especially on melee or AD ones...2 is used when I figure I'll need better instant sustain (1 is actually better than 2, but the sustain is longterm)...I commonly take 3 when I can't say much on the enemy/ when the enemy is AP or when my plan is don't be so aggressive, be careful even when poking, etc....4 is similar, however, it's more of when I know I can beat them, but I'd run out of mana too fast to actually do so(usually used against AP).....lastly, I rarely take 5 or 6, but if I do, it's because I know the enemy is comparitively weak early on (think Nasus or Shen) and I NEED to prevent them from bulking up quickly....however, in my opinion, shield+potion works just as good as the others, so it's all your choice...