Board Thread:Game discussion/@comment-6110700-20130207032959/@comment-218.102.118.143-20130311142505

178.43.165.210 wrote: here is my opinion why there are better adcs than tresh:

-Q ratio: yea this ratio is big but u must w8 10 sec. to fully charge it. Better idea imo is going top udyr and get sup tresh. U will gain magic spell with 1.5 ad ratio every 6 sec! In 30 sec. tf udyr will do magi dmg with 7,5 ad ratio and tresh will gain only 6,0 ratio. But who adc normall in fight dont attack? So u will still attack with your low attack speed (lower attack speed give your Q passive more time to recharge it, if supprot tresh hit twice in 3 sec. every attack gain at max Q level bonus 30% dmg) and yea dmg seems good, BUT every attack speed item will give u higher attack speed and LESS time to recharge Q. But hay i forget about bonus dmg from souls! no i dont forget but u also gain souls if u go sup, top or even jungle! If game is long and i play sup tresh after 150+ souls i build  hurricane and every second deal something about 100 hundred dmg to 3 enemies (than they focus me, my holy armor give me longer sustain and after kill me all enemies are cleaned by my team and its 1 for 5)

-good killer lane: tresh with ofencive sup (taric) as somebody posted is very good killer lane, BUT enemy bot can switch with mid/top and if u go top they go bot, etc. BUT again there are better killer lanes: sup fidle/zyra/rumble.etc. with normall adc, who scale  better with ad.

So my point is that ofc u can go adc tresh and kill destroy some adc/sup composition, but adc trehsh is more situational pick. Im not talking that he is wrong (imo best non convencial adc is fidle, early op heal and fear let him win 1v1 with everybody adc who havent got cleanse/QSS) BUT his Q passive also proc sup/jungle/top tresh and it havent got enough good scalling to make it best adc option.

sry for english, PEACE

What so many people forgot about his Q is that theres a base dmg equal to the number of souls, effectively when I have 50souls (easily achievable in most games around lvl 8-11) it means a free BF sword, the 200% ad max is simply a nice extra (which an avg atk spd of 1 per second  for a thresh you get 20% bonus dmg per hit I spose if the bonus scales linearly?)

The comparison with udyr is also irrelevant since udyr is melee, and the bonus does not "stack" I believe (correct me if patched) while thresh's Q is an on hit effect so direct comparison is not really meaningful as the actual output would depend on the length of the fight

In terms of atk spd a normal carry has about 40% more (2.x% x 18) which costs roughly like a recurve bow. Thresh can make up for this with the bonus dmg from souls, as well as free armor.

Not saying adc thresh is op but surely there is a place for him among other adc