Talk:The Black Cleaver/@comment-4659726-20121212195745/@comment-4659726-20121213070915

I would say that changing the passive to be something like that doesn't solve the problem that a black cleaver+LW will reduce over 50% of an enemy's mr on your own auto attacks at the very least. (also physical damage). When armor or magic pen goes over 50% then you start seeing any armor bought being essentially useless. Riot has never been one to allow % pen above 50% without being specific to champion kit.

I still believe that the passive needs to be unique and have a max of 25% stacking because if you really want to stack the passive faster you should not be allowed to buy another cleaver that gives you all the stats you want and not feel too bad about it. If multiple people buy it I understand, but its still crazy. And even then it is pushing it mainly because it is a TEAM WIDE BUFF because you are reducing armor. 10 CDR, 10 Armor pen, Unique on both and passive. Reduce passive to 25% to take into account using LW with the cleaver (which will almost certainly happen because the bruiser will get cleaver, and the AD carry will get LW). Armor pen and CDR also made unique on Ghostblade.

While this does sound harsh, you simply cannot keep the 30% debuff at it's current strength because it helps the entire team do more physical damage. Not to mention teams were already loaded with physical damage anyway from some junglers, top, and bot. And we all know that an AD carry will melt everybody, even tanks in S2. Having them benefit from somebody buying a cleaver while they have a LW just makes them melt everybody 2x as fast.

Changing the passive to stack like that won't really change much as some abilities are DoT's that apply the passive multiple times as well as AD casters autoattacking (surprise surprise, you have an auto attack). Having a system like that would actually get the cleaver to stack faster because multi hit skill damage would stack it 2x as fast while auto attacks are a bonus. I think a big misconception about AD casters is that they function exactly like mages where they ONLY have their skills for damage when this is simply not true. They have an auto attack that scales with their main stat, at a 1.0 ratio. This is essentially like adding a lich bane or auto attack steroid in addition to skills that only certain champs like orianna and TF can do mid.