Talk:Trundle/@comment-5442625-20120826195401/@comment-4929329-20120827220952

If you're playing Trundle correctly, then Tiger Stance Udyr should be far slower than you, and Pheonix shouldn't be a whole minute faster. Trundle actually has pretty great clear time, faster than that of AoE tank junglers like Maokai.

Trundle is a counterpick to enemies like Shyvana and Udyr, actually, because you can't invade his jungle. Doesn't happen.