Talk:Ziggs/@comment-26040142-20150512230603/@comment-25903301-20150514123235

Never try to get kills on Ziggs, just poke and cs. Eventually you will just get kills because you will be super farmed.

As far as builds go I always get a tear first as it is easy for him to stack. For a very aggresive build I go Ludens into Deathcap, then Morello/Lich Bane/Void Staff//Liandrys. A safer build would be Athenes, Deathcap then maybe a zhonyas. Lich Bane only works vs some team comps; try to guage whether or not you are aa much in each game.

RE: Odaswifteye ROA is really never a bad idea on a mage with mana imo, and could replace my Seraphs in my core. Both are Really good late game the only difference is ROA delays Ludens much longer.