Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-86.153.173.38-20120401083124/@comment-96.33.118.26-20120402151911

You guys remember that he gains 22 passive armor and 44 with his standard out, right? A free chain vest isn't something to look over on top of your tanky/arpen runes and masteries you should be running you should have about 60 bonus armor + (level x 3 + 3) + 18 from wriggles and + 45 from Atma's Very tanky early in lane, very tanky late from items. I suppliment the MR deficiet depending on the team with a Maw of Malmortius or a FoN.

I've used a variation of this build before, it works pretty well, but because this is designed to do damage at the cost of defense, a badly farmed tank can still do his job, but if you fail to farm you'll be a huge problem for your team because you're not tanky enough to disrupt, and too weak to do damage. This has happened to me a few times when you're out laned or if their jungler is good, if you can't regain that farm it's almost guranteed you'll lose.

I've played both tanky Jarvan and tanky dps, they're very close in power, but I much prefer the Tanky DPS,

Well, that's my 2 cents.