Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-24.69.112.42-20121208023531

I rank J4's W after Q. People underestimate just how strong it is since it is very weak at lvl 1. The snare is longer ranged then Rengar's E, and the shield is actually really decent in the midgame where Jarvan is the weakest. Losing a cloth armour and dagger worth of stats is a fair compromise.