Talk:Garen/@comment-89.171.250.145-20120821195040/@comment-213.114.5.245-20120824164059

His judgement could crit before this patch, It's his Q that couldn't. With an IE and 2 dorans he does 1500 less damage in the full duration of judgement (At rank 5). It's a really simple calculation. And yes, It includes crit. It's not wrong.

Even if his judgement actually did more damage late game as they proposed they did it's still a huge nerf. They said they were to reduce his early game power to increase his late game power. There is only one problem with that, Garen is a melee champion that only excells at one thing - Killing people. He can't protect his carry, He has no cc. He is not a tank, He's simply not good at it. There is no way a champion like garen is ever going to be good late game. He gets kited and raped and if he builds tanky he gets ignored. He's like fucking master yi except he actually did good in lane versus a few strong laners such as riven because of his long silence (That is now lowered in the early ranks, that matter because you level Q after E).

Whatever buffs you're making to lategame garen is pointless because all AD carries carry flash and another escape (The good ones) or are protected by a good tank or support that can get rid of garen for you. They have to die in one hit and since you're a melee without a dash you basically have to flash on to them every single time. If you don't kill them in one hit you're pointless and this is the reason garen has been bad always. He gets kited, Stunned and then he does fucking nothing. He has to do a shit tom of damage in order to actually do anything at all outside of lane and smaller fights. The only way to buff "Lategame" garen would to make his ultimate one hit someone because other than that he simply can't do anything.

Compare garen to Riven, Irelia, Udyr, Shen etc etc. They all do more damage lategame without having to build that much damage. And they have better intitiation, Better cc over all and are more tanky. There is no reason to play garen if he doesn't rape people in lane early game because that is the one and only thing he will ever be good at.

You're still wrong about his judgement though. Redo your calculations.