Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-3419132-20120620055957/@comment-15562896-20120620072327

He's great, but has to make plays early-mid game. If he gets fed enough he will both be very tanky and deal insane damage (them bonus AD ratios), but that requires you to be very ahead of pretty much anyone else in the game.

When I picked him up I always wanted to gank ppl and start my gank by hitting Q directly from the bush.. that kind of gank can work only if you have some kind of hard cc on your target and even at this point it is not optimal at all. What works best when ganking as Lee is either coming from behind and EE your target, AA AA, Q, AA (force escape), Q (kill), or W to a creep in melee range of your target or have your teammate bait a losing 1v1 and W to him.

He's much like Nocturne in my opinion, he's not the fastest jungler (Mundo/Udyr/Shyvana..), he's not Shaco - his ganks are very powerful but much harder to pull off correctly -, he invades well but has some losing matchups (Nocturne/Skarner/Udyr/Mundo are the 4 worst for me when I play Lee Sin), etc.

I like him but he's never a safe pick. I mean I play him decently well but if I have this game where my ganks simply fail no matter what I do, as Lee I'll be really useless, while some junglers can get gp5s and keep close in golds even if they fail their ganks. I believe this to be the reason why Lee Sin was practically never picked/banned in Dreamhack/MLG.