Talk:Fiora/@comment-176.227.154.70-20120719192650/@comment-176.227.154.70-20120720002117

^You mean the same people that thought that nerfing Atma's impaller and Phantom dancer was a good idea? Btw, what game are you playing to affirm that she's "pissweak"? Bet it isn't LoL. But then, why am I even replying to somebody who probably spends his whole time jerking to Fiora and commenting things like those one post below? GTFO.

Now, leaving the caves and going back to the civilization... @ClariS:

1) Well, I concur this is something nasty, but this is what the Fiora-class champs are about. Trynd per example looks like he can contribute in teamfights thanks to his Mocking shout, but truth is he can't stay in a teamfight.

3) Well, we agree she is great in 1v1, and maybe even in 1v2. At first this is actually linked to the fact that she lacks of an efficient escape mechanism, 'cause the Fiora and the characters like her can't actually do that much in a teamfight, they can initiate, draw attention, and then run, letting the team to beat those unwary that are still chasing you. Or at least that's what I think.

I'm not a native, so maybe I'm not understanding you correctly, but I don't see the problem with the assasin style. Ambushing an unsuspecting enemy at the right moment is always the best way for these champs to deal most of their damage before they have to chase their objective.

Maybe you're right and her innate is shit. Up to date, I've always seen it as the only way to have something balanced in her, but maybe I've been wrong.

4) Yeah, I'm not going to lie you, I don't see anything underpowered in her.

All that said, this time you've made it. She will keep giving me a hard time, but now I don't see any need for nerfing. Maybe it would be even unfair.

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Well, now that we've solved the "education" point, let's talk about countering. I'm not blind, of course building armor would counter her, and of course there are champions that obviously counter her. So, my question here is... Is there a way to counter her without counter-picking? How the f*ck do you counter her when you're a squishy? The thornmail idea it's not that good, because you need to have way more HP than her to make it viable, so it gets reduced to Frozen heart and Randuin's omen. Honestly, it's that good that combination? A single Last whisper should make it against the 174 bonus armor, and her E should counter the AS reduction.