Talk:Riven/@comment-31203455-20170207094435/@comment-31203455-20170207141551

I think I mentioned about winrate's helpfulness for balance being obscured by potatoes beating other potatoes, but I don't think that is your point, is it?

If its the fact that Riven can win against a dumb player, well then isn't that a bit of common sense? It's a bit of a given that any player can beat a less skilled player. Pretty much why the Master Yi beat that Riven.

What my main point on this whole thing is that Riven is so strong if you just use your brain a little. I was only talking about the stupidity that is people trying to play a potentially too strong champion and failing because they didn't bother to put a minimum amount of effort in!

I completely agree that a champion should be balanced on the champions mechanics and capabilities, not the hope that either the player or the opponent is a potato. Yes, Garen, with his spin-to-win buffs seems like they have strapped knives to a brick when trying to hunt gophers!

I should also clarify that I don't think that Riven has as low a skill base as Annie or Garen. It's not high but at least a bit of effort is needed. Your wasting a golden ticket otherwise.

@ - TacoParadox: Wasn't me playing against the Riven when I lost, but I played Renekton 3 times against a Riven to try out how helpful it is (long time ago). Not the best player, ended up losing 2 out of 3, never played directly against a Riven after that.

Oh no wait, I did have one game as Yorick, but I adore my Sexy Shovel Man and I think I won there due to the power of Love and Friendship. And Yorick.