Talk:Riven/@comment-4834593-20131228142718/@comment-24212263-20140106012200

Karma can bully Riven in lane however she lacks 6 presence. As a Riven you should generally farm to 6 and outscale. Riven will have the advantage past 6 with roam, skirmishes, and dragon. Just don't play with the mindset of killing your laner all the time. The only time you should think about lane kills is when you have the cooldown rotation and oppourtunity to do so but if your opponent recognises your kill potential and plays correctly, all you would do is zone them out some exp/cs while pushing lane. It is possiable to doge Karma's Q. While it flys fast you need to understand it's range and anticipate it. If you anticipate karma's q it would be easy to juke it through e or sideway movement (dont try to "outrun" skillshots mid lane). It is also best to stay out of the oppourtunity to get hit by either standing behind minions or be at an area where there is more room to doge/keep out of range.