Talk:Veigar/@comment-5225189-20130705085455/@comment-9463023-20130715162026

How is 130 seconds a 'massive' cooldown? I'd say it's pretty much standard.

The fact is, the ult is riddiculous (especially but not only in late game), it might offer less utility than, let's say Orianna's ultimate but compare the damage on those - lategame Ori's R deals less damage than Veigar's Q. And he has a 2,5 second aoe stun + aoe damage on his E + W (that deals a lot more damage than Orianna's ultimate) so technically he can provide some good utility, while dealing insane amounts of damage.

And in early game and laning phase the fact it is all single target matters how? You have only one enemy in 90% of the cases.