Talk:Talon/@comment-4542190-20160707185612/@comment-28465461-20160826062230

So garen was not viable for elo over silver, yet his passive works better than talon's? I never see it work, I played many garen games (started at the end of season 4). He was the first champion I ever played. I came to the conclusion he had no passive. He needs to not take damage to make this work, and he's a melee champion with no dashes. That useless champion that have the same kind of passive garen have but at least he can use it while in combat.

For Lucian, maybe it's just me but someone named ScrapComputer (if you know him) hates to have Lucian on his team. He's too complicated, and slow (in terms of damage output) for a caster ADC. Don't get me wrong, I do like to play as him but I can't utilize his passive at all. The good thing about Lucian that his ult can 100-0 anyone that are not tanky.