Talk:Shyvana/@comment-15031918-20150115193316/@comment-14081808-20150115214849

If you can make it that far, great. Same thing happens, though, because you don't have smite to heal from Red in your route. You'll either end up just getting blue (or dying). The only route I would consider to safely get 4 camps would be gromp, blue, wolves/raptors, red. With the new smite charges/longer CD, even this might be impossible without backing.

I usually start gromp. Red is more important for ganks, and saving it for later means I'm not losing it early. Depending on how long I want to use red, I usually stop after the third camp (either red or sometime Krugs so I can come back to red with the Stun, and have red for more than one gank), back and upgrade and jump back to grab red if needed. Your W helps a ton when moving between camps and getting back to Jungle, so backing is not as hard on you as other champs.