Talk:Veigar/@comment-5764211-20130720153620/@comment-5764211-20130720225050

Really? Average? Normal viegars get around 1100 ap (or more) in a normal game. Since he scales so high. You can actually one shot an ap mid with your ult. Like 1100 ap times 1.20 + the enemies ap? That's like a lot with deathfire grasp. His w is 100% sooo any veigar ability is like a nidalee spear