Talk:Swain/@comment-5259099-20140306105220/@comment-7967732-20140307111422

You MUST count Diana shield in her burst. When she dive in then use E, she can even hit several people with W. Annie's Tibber also deal 0.2 AP each second for 45 sec if it doesn't die, so her total ratio is actually very high (at least 2 second of Tibber aura damage will be added due to her stun). Finally, Veigar has infinite AP scaling, making his 2.8 ratio at least 3+ ratio of any other (and then he also has +0.8 enemy AP).

About Swain, he is powerful. As long as you learn to control mana, he is not as constricted by it as many said. I was once 1v2 against enemy ADC (Ezreal) & APC (Lux), got ignited and still win. But there's a main drawback - his very short range.

In big team fight, a random W won't catch anyone. He has to come close to land Q E, and they are all 625 range. It makes him somewhat team dependent. There must be a good initiator to soften up the damage, so he can come in a bit later without being poked/focused down. This is not a big deal in the tank meta, which explain why Swain win rate has been very high from late S3 till now.

Another scenario is that he just sit back, waiting for enemy to dive (though this might not happen easily vs a team with good poke, like a team with Nida).