Talk:Ryze/@comment-28529352-20160824023656/@comment-28977071-20160826194016

Did you just firstly said that CDR is completely wasted on a Tear guy and then recommended him to build up to 30% CDR from other sources? :D

CDR is just CDR imho, no matter what source, he could just safely take Morello instead of all the CDR from pages. Also:


 * This season no masteries will give you 10% CDR. And the only 5% found there are not included in common 40% cap.


 * Talking about Tear/Morello/Rylai/RoA, none of these items grants mana regen actually. Mana restore, sure, but mana regen is an official game stat measured in mana per 5.


 * Building CDR has nothing to do with base cooldowns, unless cooldowns are static. Theoretical 50% CDR'd mean effectively doubled DPS. 1/(1 -CDR) stacks multiplicatively with other contributing DPS variables. Whether Ryze has 2.25s CD on E or not, 40% CDR will increase DPS of any common champ by cca. 66%. The only limitation are cast animations.


 * Multiple mana restore items are not wasted on a champion who builds CDR- following same logic 40% CDR increases mana drain of sustained dmg output by ~66%


 * Ryze is a mana carry and building a lot of mana on him is hardly a waste. He has innate that grants even more max mana from AP. His abilities grant dmg from max mana. Seraph grants AP from max mana. Morello and RoA grant max mana and synergize with all formerly mentioned things.

Sure, maybe you waste mana by having more than you would ever need, but what is a waste? Waste is decrease in item's gold efficiency, because you don't need stats it provides. Excess mana indeed decreases gold efficiency of multiple mana items. But Ryze's / Seraph's natural synergies with mana pool conversely increase gold efficiency of mana. If you combine both multipliers together, you get increased efficiency on the ond of the day. So the multiple mana items will pay off from synergies. The excess mana wasted is a residue you can afford to waste because you gained your profit already.