Talk:Ziggs/@comment-20434720-20131227030934

A bit of math regarding how it appears on paper to be almost impossible to dodge Ziggs' Qs.

If you are within 850 range of Ziggs (most champions have to be in order to farm, poke), and for the sake of easy math we'll say you're at 850 units from Ziggs, the bomb, moving at 1700 speed, will take 0.5 seconds to hit you, and has an explosion radius of 150. Meaning that within 0.5 seconds, your character needs to clear 150 units. Seems easy, because every character in the game has a base movement speed higher than this. But if we are talking about, for example, a character at rest having a bomb thrown directly onto the center of their character's hitbox, consider this: at a ping time of 200 ms, with a generous reaction time of 100 ms (humanbenchmark.com states the average sits at 215), your character now has a mere 0.2 seconds to clear 150 units. meaning that your MS needs to be at 150 x 1/ 0.2 = 750 in order to escape the blast.

In other words, in lane, you can never stop moving. If you at any point are not moving and wait a whole ping time without moving, it is technically impossible for you to dodge assuming the enemy ziggs clicks at the center of your character.

But oftentimes just moving isn't enough. Predicting where you will be at the time of impact is a very simple and basic skill most people have. In other words, you need to zigzag run around to hope not to take a bomb to the face. Heaven forbid you need to stand still to CS, poke, or use any abilities. However, even zigzagging doesn't mean you're safe, as most people tend to use a rather repetitive and predictable trend in when and how they reverse direction. And if they reverse direction too frequently, they'll oftentimes simply walk right into a bomb thrown at their "average" location.

Summary: laning against Ziggs is hell. Like laning against Teemo top. Ziggs' skillshot Q is perhaps the easiest poke in the game to land, low-risk, and, as it adds up, high reward. The main options are either all-in/high-mobility assassin types (read kha, zed, Kass, Fizz, etc) or other poke champs (Gragas, Nidalee). While the numbers for Ziggs' Q on paper do not appear too bad, in real-world scenarios they are often very frustrating if not flat-out broken.

Thanks for taking the time to read my wall of text. Feel free to discuss/correct assumptions I have made.