Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-24496127-20140716033238/@comment-5266525-20140718173256

The problem with your line of thinking is that it means that no matter how well anyone can word an argument or how clear they can make their points, you can just dismiss it for dodging whatever you arbitrarily define as the real reason for holding their position. Even if it is their main justification it doesn't magically mean any other point they make is irrelevant and doesn't need a counterargument.

"We have the data. We know that whenever Lee is popular, variety goes down, if he isnt, variety goes up."

You're not seriously pulling the 'correlation means causation' card on me, are you? :/

Honestly? IMO people complain about Lee Sin because he serves to codify a lot of what a jungler needs to succeed these days (much like Renekton for top lane) and also happens to get the most publicity for it because of his popularity. Certainly in LCS the OVERWHELMING majority of jungle picks this season seems to lean towards Elise, Lee and Evelynn with the occasional Jarvan pick, even more so since Kha'Zix was rendered unviable.

There's also the issue that neither you nor Riot nor anybody else (no matter how loudly they shout it) can possibly tell what'll happen if Lee just gets gutted out of nowhere. Imagine a world dominated by boring, easymode junglers like Xin Zhao and Master Yi. That's the last thing anyone needs when Worlds are coming up and people want a game that's at least mildly entertaining.