Talk:Vladimir/@comment-3276188-20120731015059/@comment-4659726-20120731020915

For mid 200 at 20 ish is exceptionally good. Though I find it hard to believe that they left you alone to farm since Vlad mid is fairly weak. No CC to gank top or bot or fight with enemy mid, only has wave clear and sustain. He can farm like crazy but the ability for mid to go help top and bot after pushing lane is important.

For top you want somewhere between 160-200 since there is no access to wraiths there and most of your cs comes from the lane. Doing golems is not really all that worth it imo for the time you spend to kill them. I get 200 by 20-24 min top depending on how the lane is going.

Although these are just numbers. Ideally the best "Number" is to beat your lane opponent. Have more cs than them with them not being fed and you are doing well.