Talk:Lucian/@comment-980832-20130828033942/@comment-4503725-20130830040301

Botrk is a noobtrap item and is purely situational. It only has any effect on tanks because of their high HP, and even then it is purely mitigated by armor. The manamune is...OK but there are still better choices.

The only things I agree with here are the last whisper and berserkers greaves. I carried 10 total games so far (no defeats, no more than 1 death per game) with

greaves

bloodthirster

statikk shiv

last whisper or if extremely fed, infinity edge.

As you can see, also nowhere near a complete build. And these are not 20 minute surrenders these are full 30 minute ranked games, pushed to the nexus. I know that Botrk seems good because it has lots of stats, but it really does nothing substantial. And buying the item only for the passive is a waste. You are much better of having a bloodthirster as your first item. The only carry that should be building a Botrk first is Vayne because she can go without having damage early.