Talk:Zyra/@comment-4499945-20130523151121/@comment-8972803-20130531061038

Well first off all I was just making a brief comment and pretty sure did not define what a "support" is but still I consider Zyra an okay support (I should have said great/top tier rather than real, I will admit to that) very close to a great one/top tier (I personally use the term "faux" as a champion not originally designed for the purpose of support and in most cases does a poor-superficial-great job, or varying performance, depending mostly on how they play/ who they play against/with, such as lux, nid, J4, Voli) (i.e I rather have leona/taric/lulu)

But anyway I define a great (top tier) support as having (all of the first category and 3 of the last (reg has 3 of the 1st and 2 of that last))

-Forms of hard CC (initiate/peel)

-Gold Efficient

-Skills offer paritial compatiblity with most champions (aoe cc works best)

-Versatile play against most champions (i.e. leona meh against veigar/kass/kha but zyra no no (basically squishies versus assassins/burster no no, another reason why I don't really like squishy supports))

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-Skills offer some buff/debuff to teammates'/self stats (Still iffy if a shield by itself counts)

-Can effectively absorb damage at all stages of the game (can be in the front line taking damage)

-Offers aggressive tactics while also defensive ones (ex. janna, lulu)

-Dependable sustain

Anyway to answer the Soraka thingy:

I didn't really offer a definition of a support, and I still consider "faux" supports real supports, and defined "faux" supports

I said I hate squishy supports (in general) as they add a squishy character in a squishy lane.

I consider Soraka fairly squishy in lane even with the heals and in my opinion fits a reg support, and zyra is a better reg support and I agree with that statement.