Talk:Hecarim/@comment-130.15.92.156-20120417180531

His jungle seems quite weak compared to skarner: his Q does about half the damage to minions and has substantially longer cooldowns if you take skarners passive into consideration. His W does equivalent damage and healing compared to skarners E against minions. His mana costs are slightly higher than skarners. His E isn't particularly useful in the jungle though it is good for ganking. Overall pre-6 he seems much slower but will have likely better ganks. Fast junglers are king in the current metagame so I don't think he'll see much play.

Ability notes say his Q refreshes attack.. that must be a mistake. Otherwise his attack speed would be insane against champions. With 40% CDR his Q would have a CD of 2.4s, minus 2s for rampage equals 0.4 s. Refreshing attack every 0.4 s would be ridiculous.