Talk:Karma/@comment-26442038-20150805140701/@comment-25223119-20150805154838

Swain, Ahri and Fiddle are all examples of a short/mid range mages, yet they do well. Karma's range isn't the reason she's not as competitive in mid lane, its like what you said, Vik, 90% of her damage is blocked by tanks and minions, R -> Q is your only source of powerful damage and Karma lacks her way with dealing damage from multiple sources. She rotates between Q,W, R and if she misses her first R -> Q, the rest of the fight is not in her favor because she spends the next few seconds trying to get R off cooldown (and Karma players will always say this is a great thing about her anyway). And R -> Q is the most attractive nuke for AP Karma because R -> E no longer has its damage and R -> W is changed to have a longer snare (and again, Karma players will tell us it's a good thing).

So yes, while Karma sees an increased rate of gameplay overall, she's still "meh" because she's not the best support, nor does she provide the best mid lane damage. Her Q is fine for poking, but that's the only spell in her kit that's reliable for poking. W can be disengaged based on you or your enemy's risk/reward situation and E no longer deals damage.

And Q being a good waveclear is bollocks, she spends two Qs to clear one wave while other AP champs spend one or two different skills to clear wave makes them efficient. Why? Because cooldown is involved if you plan to cast Q again. You spend more time clearing as opposed to using two different skils to clear. And if anyone says Karma's good cause she saw plays in LCS, I'm just gonna respond with.. bollocks again.