Talk:Lee Sin/@comment-24795478-20150612141239/@comment-26353480-20150616182714

I want to start off by saying that I agree with you that Lee is overpowered.

However, it's a lot easier to use J4, Vi, Talon, and Nocturne's ult to their full effect than Lee. Want lockdown? Vi: get in range, press R. Nocturne: get in range, press R. J4: EQ in range, press R. Lee: land double Q/find a flank, ward hop/flash behind target, press R.

As for damage, how easy is it to hit multiple targets with Talon's R or J4's R compared to Lee? Talon can just E in and press R. J4 can just press R on people that are clumpled together. Lee has to line up his target perfectly, and if he doesn't kill or have Q immediately, he risk saving his target. Other champions don't have this potentially negative effect.

I've literally never seen a truly successful Lee Sin until I reached high Gold. In contrast I've seen a lot of Vi, J4, and Rek'sai that are pretty solid. I lose whenever Lee is on my team, and win whenever he's on the enemy team. So while I agree he's overpowered I think he's only a problem in high elo.