Talk:Vayne/@comment-25122281-20150911072205/@comment-1920550-20150911223940

''"What extra range?" ''

Your 725 line skillshot, that extends to 825 and breaks into a 3 point AOE when you smack a minion wave. Against an ADC like Vayne even a lvl 1 Q will still hit like a truck. All you needed to do was throw a Q through the minion wave, since Vayne has to commit to AA range to farm so you will hit her 9 out of 10 times.

"Like I said, she just ran straight for me (at level 1, so I couldn't even W her, though I don't think that would have helped much), ignoring my minion wave and it did very little damage to her, compared to how badly she damaged me. I had to escape to my turret at very low hp."

Didn't you bring pots/biscuits? A flask? If she brought a Doren's, Vayne will only have one pot which means that you can outsustain her. And another mistake you made was to leave your minion wave. At that early in the game if you have your caster minions alive, they will hurt...alot since Vayne has to draw aggro to harass you, plus you can also AA her back between Q's since your ranges are the same...you won't do quite as much damage by itself but with with minion wave helping you should be able to trade with her easily. And i'm gonna call bullshit on you saying the minion wave did little damage to her. I'm guessing that you either didn't get the Q harass on her or you tried to run away (big mistake, since Vayne is one of the best chasing ADC's in the game) from her and the minion wave, so the aggro dropped before she could take significant damage (pro tip, dance in the middle of your wave or hide in a bush, since it can cause to her to either missclick on a minion or lose her AA target because she has to get into close range)

"Hourglass is a thing" "I heard you needed gold to buy it"

Actually they made it 300g or so cheaper, so getting it isn't quite as hard, especially getting a Seeker's Armguard for 1200g which will invalidate most of Vayne damage early game.