Talk:Luden's Echo/@comment-26218937-20150319041344/@comment-5383777-20150323000953

I've run some damage calculations on Luden's Echo.

I believe that your methodology of comparing the Luden's Echo proc to the base damage of spells is not a very good way to judge how powerful the item is.

What you should be doing is comparing the damage that Luden's Echo provides to the extra damage that the AP multiplier from Deathcap would provide.

If you calculate this, you find that Luden's Echo not only scales with how many times you can proc the item in a given situation(by casting spells faster or moving around), but also with your champion's base damage from spells, their AP ratios, and your champion's playstyle.

Luden's Echo is better than Deathcap if your champion has a low sum of base damage and AP ratios. A fine example of this is Twisted Fate. His base damage + ratios are so low that Luden's Echo will provide more damage than a deathcap would for single target situations until you have large amounts of AP.

This also means that the higher your base damage and your AP ratio, the worse Ludens would be. Then, you can extrapolate from this and conclude that Ludens does more damage in sustained poking situations than in all-in situations.

However, if you are able to proc this item more than once, it wins out against Deathcap in single target situations.

By that same logic, hitting multiple targets with Luden's Echo will automatically make it do more total damage than a Deathcap would.

So far, I believe that this item is guaranteed to be great on Twisted Fate due to his low base damage, low ratios, and guerilla playstyle. It might also be exceptional for champions such as Akali, Katarina, and Ahri due to their movement, and Cassiopeia due to the sheer number of times she can proc Luden's in a short amount of time.