Talk:Vayne/@comment-98.90.56.62-20110512190845/@comment-3985944-20110513164434

This post is actually quite correct. I'm sick of hearing all of the complaining about Vayne. I'm willing to bet that 100% of the trolls who are complaining about her havn't player her yet.

Here are some points to consider..

First, remember that Tumble and Silver Bolts are both based from her auto-attacks. Her auto-attack range is 555, that of an average ranged carry. This puts her in constant danger of 9/10 targettable abilities in game. Not to mention she's forced to commit and chase in order to even receive the damage from Silver Bolts (any good player will deny you your 3rd hit easy, Phreak plays against totaly newbs. To say that, 'This is guaranteed damage', with your 1-2-3 combo is a total overstatement and good luck landing it often of a compotent player).

1. Tumble doesn't provide as much escapability/kiting/damage as people cry it does. Just use your head and learn to step in towards her and return damage with one of your abilities when she Tumbles towards you. If you just let her poke at you all day without returning the heat you lack fundamentals and that is most likely why you think she is OP. (Her passive does NOT work when moving away from enemy champions and she's slow, don't forget her ultimate only affects her passive. Meaning the x4 movespeed buff is useless if you force her to turn and run)

2. I understand that Silver Bolts sounds OP if you're a total idiot, but put some math to use for once. Vayne is an assassin; assassins are geared towards killing squishies. 70 + 8% of max HP in true damage isn't all that impressive. For exmaple, a squishy at level 18 will generally have between 2000-2500 HP. 2500 x .08 = 200 (+ 70) = 270. I think we can all agree that 270 damage, with the fact that it's true damage considered, is nowhere near what other already existing champions could output at that level. A squishy caught in a Veigar (Say 600+ AP, which isn't hard to achieve as a pro Veigar) stun, say Ezreal, is going to get melted in one combo no doubt. Yet people still cry because with no additional thought, I'm sure 70 + 8% max HP true damage sounds like a lot. Next consider that this ability isn't even useful until late game. So this isn't going to help your gank power in early/mid game, which is what an assasin carry needs.