Talk:Ryze/@comment-124.148.199.163-20120901110159

With the ryze rework, Riot sayed it wanted to open up different ryze builds and slightly nerf his tankyness/damage ratio(which is insane late game). Anyone feel that the abysal nerf has now pretty much that item out of his core, except in expetional situational.

Ryze already had build in MR reduction of 24 per e bounce, 20 from sorcs and some from runes (around 10) so anymore isnt really needed. When u use R most of the aoe damage will not be affected by abysal pen and q w e have greater than 600 range.

BV vs Abysal

- essentialy same damage output on q slightly more on w e from abysal

-BV slightly more effective MR cuz of 375 hp

-BV more effective Armour boost cuz of 375 hp

-Free spell shield which is actually more useful than ppl think

So now with this nerf ryzes build are even more limited essentially:

Sorce/mercs  RoA  BV    FH   AA and situational 6th usually WoTa