Talk:Trundle/@comment-6281755-20130429175520/@comment-5426276-20130430184755

Not nearly as big a deal as you might think.

CC reduction on Contaminate (not tenacity as it stacks multiplicative with tenacity) always had some oddities for the Trundle player. Mostly that you needed to cast your W before being CC'd for it to have any effect. That usage is rather reactive or predictive and doesn't totally mesh well with the offensive uses of Contaminate.

When using Contaminate to close on a target a little CC reduction often isn't huge. Slows are more common then hard CC and slows are rarely affected by CC reduction enough to matter. Area slows just don't care and many slows are quickly reapplied.

The offensive use of Contaminate are super clunky as well. Rabid Bite and it's own cast animation counter the AS gains. The need to react with Contaminate to counter CC also makes it hard to use early in small scale fights. Trundle himself can struggle to do enough DPS (at certain parts of the game) to have a quick fight and the longer it goes the more he'll need it.

The CC reduction also isn't flat. It scales with Contaminate levels. So it's only really noticeable after Merc treads or rank 5 W. Know how often Trundle gets rank 5 Containment early? It's usually the last skill point. Rank 1 or 3 is common but Pillar needs skill ups badly.

So the CC reductions easiest usage in Contaminate is running away. Usually after being close to an enemy or a little more out of position then you could be. The speed boost and CC reduction allow a higher chance of escape..though it isn't a sure thing. Especially if a red buff shows up. Pillar is much more consistent to ensure escapes then W.

In contrast Frozen Domain is much more clear and clean in use.

Defense/Bait use: Combo with ult and W movespeed to run away. Try to be better positioned so the enemy can't get totally on top of you but, still commits to chasing.

Offensive: Just slap that sucker on the ground when your close to target to stick on them and gain some universal defense in the form of consistent health returns.

Consider that Q has gotten some quality tweaks and now scales with AS...it feels slow at low AS(it may not be as bad as it appears) but, it actually synergies with Frozen Domain's AS.

Oh and Frozen Domain has 20% more AS at rank 5 due to 5% more per rank up.