Talk:Riven/@comment-7633726-20130410032214/@comment-7633726-20130413040836

First, I'm a girl, so don't call me bro. Second, I can easily manage Syndra's knock back, as I play her regularly. I don't really have much of a problem managing it. I truly think that I can squash a mid Riven in my elo if I play Elise or Syndra. (Keep in mind I have about 140 wins at level 30) And while yes, Fizz is an exception, I'm not going to make my argument based on that. I don't play Fizz, and I'm not interested in him personally, so I don't know much about him other than his ult apparently makes most small champions (i.e. Lulu, Poppy, etc.) bodies that are normally left behind, disappear as if the shark thing had eaten them. Which is funny.

When I play top as Elise, and I face a Riven, I've never been beat by her. Ever. I'm a very good Elise player though, so I don't expect too many people to be able to deal with me easily without going sustain lane, which I've never had a Riven do when facing me as Elise. I never expect much if anything from a Riven going mid regardless of who I play. I've seen two or three Riven's go mid, one against me, one in a ranked game, and I may have seen one other. I don't remember. However, both times I remember for sure, Riven did terribly. She was not only poorly played, but she was also just destroyed in lane. It was almost as if she was intentionally feeding.

Do either of you two play mid at all? I do all the time, and it's a poke and pull game until either the jungler ganks, or one of them is low enough to be bursted down and killed or at the very least driven out of lane. A smart mid laner if they're facing a champion like Riven will let the lane get pushed so that they can farm under the tower, and have the towers protection to keep their opponent at bay while they can still safely poke until they're low enough to be killed.

I get the Riven is an all in champion, but if her opponent doesn't give her the opportunity to go all in, she can't go all in, and will probably lose by either dying or being driven off out of lane. I am by no means saying that poke is the entire game. I'm aware it isn't. However, it is a very important part of playing mid lane. Riven has none, and is therefore a poor choice at best for mid lane.