Talk:Veigar/@comment-4729118-20150213173655/@comment-24915478-20150214004932

Cho's q is across the whole radius, Veigar's is only around the edge. You're never going to reliably stun people who are halfway decent. Especially not a lot of the popular mids like Zed and LB. Chasing down targets is worse now too. +50 range on E is less than champs can move in .75 seconds. Q harass is harder to pull off with a skillshot. Ulti range is the same so you still need to get close to cast it. I can't see Veigar winning against the likes of Zed, Ahri, and LB anymore. He has no mobility and his only defensive spell is being made unreliable. A lot of the time if you don't get the stun on E when you get jumped on you die immediately on live. I think you just sit back and Q farm all lane now, maybe throw harass if they move up,

I can see where the E change is coming from with Riot trying to make older kits more healthy to the game, but Veigar relied on that being instant to function. If they don't make any more positive changes to his other spells he'll be in an awful spot, and he wasn't even in a good spot to begin with.