Talk:Elise/@comment-94.134.195.240-20121024114934/@comment-71.233.127.32-20121024191542

One thing that's overlooked in this discussion is that spider W effectively has an AP ratio beyond just the heal in terms of extra attacks on yourself/your spiders ranging from .61 to 2.8 depending on your spiders, your level of W and whether you're counting the healing or not.

Granted it's relying on spider minions in melee from but I think it's important not to underestimate it in, say, top lane or the jungle.

As for Q, indeed, its ratio sucks.