Talk:Trundle/@comment-26207873-20150908035457/@comment-4091261-20160108232121

Theorycrafting isn't bad, it's just that some people are terrible at it. Theorycrafting is more than just numbers; in fact it's largely utility of the mechanics. People who are terrible with theorycrafting run off of many assumptions rather than accounting for all scenarios. One such assumption is that both champions are on equal ground by default, because obviously bullying/zoning early game effects these champions' power mid-game. That said, people have to think of the flow throughout the entire game.

In terms of and. There are some important things to consider. One thing is that is an autoattack while  and  are spells. That said, will attract minion aggro if he strikes  while farming and  will not. This means it's a lot easier for to zone  out of farming. Although, this weakness can transform to an asset if farms under his tower.

does not have lifesteal but has sustain whenever units die. That said, since can easily be in range of dying minions under the turret, he will sustain health much easier than trying to force trades with. Also, if tries to chunk  under his tower,  can use his  to force tower aggro on  since  has the same range as a max range.

Once gets some prominent lifesteal, from something like,  can think of dueling  since  innate lifesteal ability is really annoying to deal with--even when  uses  on. It's mainly because usually has a gold advantage through the bullying in early game and gets the  he would lose from  by using his.

Generally at this stage of the game, gets some heavy armor items like  alongside, but  can use that against him with. So if wants to ruin  hopes and dreams,  can get a  and out-trade  every time he thinks about fighting. The ensures that  can't do the same technique against  effectively. Unfortunately, can't do much about this since  should also have lifesteal by now though at this stage roaming and teamfights start to become frequent so anything can happen at this stage of the game with teamfight positioning.

So essentially slaps the shit out of  early on until  gets some lifesteal. Then things start turning around at the stage at the stage where people start grouping up--where anything can happen.