Talk:Jarvan IV/@comment-4917560-20130904144918

Hear me out guys. I'm having issues with currently optimizing Jarvan for jungling. I'm mostly having trouble with runes. I get FULL armor pen quints and marks, armor seals and mr/level & flat glyphs. I combine this with 21-9-0 masteries. I'm a very agressive type of player that likes to influence the early game ALOT.

So I go all gank crazy and deal crazy amount of damage with around 33 flat armor pen, with 8% armor pen and my Q armor pen (I like to call this build Manly Jarvan Penetration...don't judge me) and I do pure damage most of the early game. The issue here is that I don't have AD and jungle mobs don't have that much armor so that's where the armor pen goes to waste...his passive benefits alot from armor pen, though.

So I don't know if I'd rather go for some AD runes and Quints mixed with armor pen...I'm doing fine for now, but I'm always worrying if I can do better. I wont go 9-21-0 build since I like the dmg from Offense. My build also has brutalizer in it mixed with tankyness and only max 2 dps items (BOTRK or Ravenous Hydra + Black Cleaver) (maybe Maw of Marmotius sometimes, depending on the enemy team).

So what are your thoughts? Is it good...is it bad? What if I go top lane? I can counter much of the armor my opponent has...problem is it's a pain in the lance to last hit with no AD.

Thank you for your insight.