Talk:Graves/@comment-5955640-20151112064643/@comment-5955640-20151115211939

I'm going with my data where Graves is good as a jungle and can build full damage and just blow everyone up easy peasy. Every other laning phase falls behind because they can't hold a fight and they can't outtrade if they don't out right over power and if a Graves lanes the weakness of the auto attack speed is not offset by the damage.

So Graves is jungle now. He cannot be played Marksmen with the suggested methods and be expected to hold up his end of the spectrum as an ADC. I have not tried Graves and Tahm Kench but I can alreayd see his problem matchups. I actually think Blitzcrank would be better. He brings the marksmen to you and then knocks them up giving Graves the option to use his Q correctly, to Rush in with E and get one or two good shots and then as they run post level six his ult finishes them.

But even then I would say post laning phase he's really unreliable.