Talk:Udyr/@comment-7273169-20130901085405/@comment-5489694-20130904090306

Nothing against Gg'd but it annoys me when people talk/ask about lvling Udyr different ways and then most of the responses tell them to lvl (and generally build) the standard Phoenix route..

Rank5 Tiger at lvl 9 has a base damage of 12 bonus physical damage (on-hit) and a 360 damage DoT. That's it's guaranteed base damage, no runes or masteries. W/8.5 (9) ad from runes, 6 from Deadliness in masteries and 25 from Wriggle's you have 40 bonus ad. 40 bonus ad causes Rank5 Tiger at lvl 9 to deal 18 bonus physical damage (on-hit) and a ~430 physical damage DoT.

Phoenix is good but it's not better than Tiger because "you can build tank" as everyone seems to think. You can build nothing but AS on Phoenix, I used to build Wit's/Ionic/Bloodrazor on Phoenix like every game, and do a ton of damage but you don't for w/e reason. Tiger can be built "tank" and you deal similar damage to Phoenix, 17 on-hit and 400 DoT base damage at lvl 18.

Phoenix's main advantage over Tiger is it's ability to push and farm large groups of minions or monsters (really popular thing atm) not "be built tank". The difference between Rank3 and Rank5 of Phoenix is 80 burst damage and 20 burn damage, that is next to nothing when considering the damage is being dealt to minions and monsters...

Idk the misconception that Tiger needs to be built towards damage has really been annoying me lately. I don't think most people know that Tiger scales off of Udyr's total AD, which includes his base Ad, which means Tiger's damage also scales w/lvls...

Bleh I hate posting stuff like this on the wiki, at least there's math in it I guess.