Talk:Nocturne/@comment-92.232.164.116-20110319154506/@comment-3238314-20110320190614

To be honest, I think that master yi has an overall more potent skill set, with it being similar to Nocturne. Yi has +35 passive ad, can activate it for 70 ad, and can go as high as +105 ad if he kills a target in Highlander mode with Wuju style activated. He also has a good gap closer in alpha strike. He has bonus attack and movement speed from his ultimate. More movement speed, but less attack speed, admittedly.

Nocturne has somewhat similar abilities, but they are meshing differently, and nocturne needs a bit more than pressing a button to benefit from them, such as hitting the enemy with a relatively slow line skillshot, or timing his shield with a spell to active the bonus attack speed.

Overall, Master yi's kit is easier to use. However, Nocturne has to rely ok hitting an enemy at the right time, or a small prediction ability. Because of this, to be on par with other dps he needs the element of surprise.

Now for counters: it usually works if you wait for him to waste his shield, and then use your stun/slow on him. His Q travels slow, so when running, run in zig zag waiting for him to launch it. Makes for easier dodge. If you have a blink or a flash, use it after he puts fear on you so you break the tether. Grabbing tanky dps items helps (hexdrinker, hourglass, etc.) I don't need alot more to counter him