Talk:Talon/@comment-4542190-20160707185612/@comment-25970203-20160810013627

I would never put talon's passive ahead of lucian's

In fact in that entire list none of them have a worse passive. this is because talon's passive is a dps passive for an assassin. The current way he is designed, he should get almost no value out of his passive because he should be insta-bursting you so fast it barely makes an effect on his damage calculation. Yes it does give him a sizable bit more burst but it intrinsically is not something he should need. It's like a worse zed passive because zed's version is at least more execute worthy.

late game is should be useless because between armor pen and raw AD you should be able to get kills without it.

Mid game it should barely be relevant because while it will give you that last oomph to get a kill you shouldnt necessarily be engaging on too many 100% hp opponents. If the opponent is even remotely below 80% you should have a definitive kill so it is debatable how valuable it is there

early game it should not be that relevant because if the opponent hasn't abused you enough that you are scared of going in at lvl 3 they probably played terribly and, once again, this can be rectified by just making his current E better. it adds no interesting dynamics beyond aa when they are cc'ed and you should have been trying to do that anyway. and this is also missing the part where you could just remove the passive, increase the amp on his e and get relatively the same effect. the only time this would not work is if talon is able to just walk up to you which in most situations (barring ult use) should not happen.

Beyond this their is intrinsic flaw to your arguement about this change killing talon  you're saying removing the blink and damage will kill talon as an assassin, but with this roster update riot will be effectively changing how assassination works in league in general. We all already know zed is defined as a somewhat healthy assassin in the time it takes for him to get a kill (approximately 2 seconds for the ult to proc and heavily ult reliance). Also leblanc is considered fine right now and she can blow you up pretty easily and quickly. So just blanket stating talon is going to be bad is pretty unjustifiable, especially with the fact that the current major changes done to the juggernauts marksman and mages made them all OP for a time. The first attempt,juggernauts, was admittedly terrible since the required balancing nerfs made them mostly useless. But the marksman update was a general success and the mage update was mostly hit with malzahar being the only champion who objectively became worse to deal with because it didnt handle any of his issues.