Talk:Graves/@comment-4878039-20120825132922/@comment-186.154.84.237-20120826232417

Even after nerfs, his burst is still very good. Graves + any support with a stun = lane won no matter what. The enemy carry tries to last hit? stun -> quickdraw -> buckshot -> autoattacks -> ulti after lvl 6. No ad carry can sustain that, except with soraka maybe. So, you either stop going to minions, and let graves farm as much as he wants, or get instadestroyed from that burst. You also can't trade hits with him, his defenses are better than other ad carries. He's simply... too safe. And people say "he was nerfed too much!, 5 nerfs in a row!" That's no excuse. His design is too hard to balance due to the high amount of stuff he can do.