Talk:Garen/@comment-81.51.86.82-20120814102309/@comment-81.51.86.82-20120814112232

The crit is not a good solution for 3 reasons :

- If Q spell can crit, damage can begin to be incredible ... With IE + Atma and 3 defensive item for exemple, you can 2/3 shot a carry with only one Q, but can have a lot of tanking ability too.

First : it make ultimate more useless

Second : impossible to balance with a CC on the spell

- Other problem :

If spin can crit x2 or x2,5, it will begin better than carry AD auto-hits in AoE !

- Last problem : with à high amount of AD and crit, auto hit + Q won 100 times versus spin

Garen need to be a decent off-tank with à real ultimate and a non outdated passive (seriously, a defensive passive for one of the most agressives characters ...) and a balanced spin.

Atm, in a fight of 10,15 sec, Shyvana / Mundo "permanents" AoEs are betters than Garen spin. But they have a strong auto-hit compare him and they are beteer for tank.

Z spell is nice, i think Q spell can stay like that too, but others need upgrade or rework (why not a new ultimate or reworked ultimate like for Xin / Eve ?)