Talk:Gragas/@comment-24944427-20140515110112/@comment-24057740-20140530125045

I realy like support Gragas. In my opinion he is in the same boat as Braum, Alistar and Thresh as a tanky disengage/engage char. While Thresh does it all (poke, shield, initiate, tank, peel he has even stolen the Hook from Blitz) the other 2 are more to compair with him.

While Braums peel, tankyness and early game damage(without the upcomming nerf) are stronger than the one from Gragas, he doesn't like to being poked all day. Gragas with his passive can't get poked down so easy. Also Braum is banned all day and at night.

Gragas E is a weaker WQ of Alistar, with less range/damage/CC, but the Gragas W itself costs only 50 mana at all ranks(Alis both skills start at 70), it doesn't need a target (can be used as escape/without vision), has less CD and the best thing Gragas can do way more then just his E. E enables brewd Q's (nice base damage + slow). E gives opinions for good initiates with the Ultimate. E can be used for mobilty so you can escape crazy situations or ward at bether places without the risk of being catched. Even Alistars so called "heal" is outclassed by Gragas passive. And Gragas has a medicore but viable poke and zone tool. Something Ali completly lacks. In my opinion Alistar is just an inferior Gragas. This + Alis ulti is at the wrong char... He doesn't build anything to make good use of the AD (Crit, AS, Pen) and the CD of his skills are way to long to make good use from the cleanse effekt (he doesn't have steady DPS). Only the damage reduction is realy nice but i like 10-18% damage reduction for 3s every 12-6s(if you can't AA) way more then 50-70% for 7s every 2-1min.

To Gragas support i don't like Spellthief's Edge on him. His poke is not that great. His Q is the only poke ability and if you don't brew it, the damage is medicore + it will drain your mana if you use it to often.