Talk:Vladimir/@comment-25252206-20150621090334/@comment-24496127-20150622155535

Teemo could work I guess, if he wasn't a bad pick for that game somehow. Same to Gnar, but he's much more likely to actually be a good pick. Jayce suffers from just not having the mana to keep Vlad from being a sustain bot, and his autos are short range enough that Vlad can once again just sit back early.

As for match ups, how about any matchup where you fall behind somehow, or are a tank like malphite or kiteable champ like darius? Sure vlad has a weak early game, but what if their jungle is someone like Shaco or Lee, who can really punish a lane early on? Or say he somehow gets a kill early, maybe your jungle was stupid and dived. At that point, what can you do?

Outsustain does not mean he sits there and takes all the damage you can possibly do then heals it up. When I say that I mean that most top laners just don't have the mana or Health regen to push him out of lane, especially if he Q's the enemy laner a few times, which is entirely possibly in many matchups without him getting punished hard for it.

Truthfully, I hate Vlad for the same reason that I hate Nasus, the simplicity involved in using the champion, as well as the point and click to kill nature of them, makes them feel cheap to play against.

Lets say you don't shut Vlad down in lane and he's level 7-9 with a revolver after just playing passive. At this point, his Q will hurt, is spammable, and he heals noticably. He also will never run out of mana. Any sustained laning at this point you will lose due to the nature of his kit unless you're playing a select few champions. That's why I hate Vlad, after a certain point you just can't stop him alone, and you sure as hell can't outplay him.

I'm aware that Vlad falls off later game if he's not ahead. I know that he's weak early on, although that's a really bad argument for a champion being Anti-fun to play against, and I know that he won't always win, or go even in lane. The problem is he's just not a fun champion (for the one playing against him). Like pre-rework Ryze, Nasus, or any other point and click champion meant to do damage really, it just feels unfair when they get ahead, that's my problem, and of them Vlad is just my least favorite to play against.