Talk:Veigar/@comment-24343325-20150227043529/@comment-26058326-20150227175743

A buff for a skilled players? Go play it by yourself, and stop spreading bullshit about the champion YOU NEVER PLAYED AT ALL.

His Q is basically now harder to farm AP with, because you could miss and not reach the minions behind the other minions, the thing is going to be messed up if you face an enemy that has some BRAIN CELLS and zone veigar, making his farming worse than even. Yeah double farm, how you want to last hit with a skillshot, that cannot 1 shoot minion on the start of the game?

With the new stun, he no longer could land his W skills at the enemy, and cannot defend himself against melee assasin so fast as he used to. Basically, the rework took away his any laning phase presence, poke and harras. Earlier you could land a stun and meteor or use Q to harras, now it is near impossible to do such.

Go play the veigar first, then talk about the champion, because he has his early game nerfed to the oblivion, that means with early dominating meta game he is unplayable like urgot. You could have the best hero for late game (poppy) but you have limited mechanics in early game, you cannot do shit.

For example, veigar used to counter ahri in past, due to the stun wall, that he cannot escape/dodge, right now it is not hard to dodge all of his skills with her.