Talk:VPBE/@comment-24385282-20160225215630/@comment-3974211-20160228220700

This is getting over complicated.


 * 1) Why do you find AP Jarvan "fun"?
 * 2) Why is that reason not just part of "Jarvan" (what you call "AD Jarvan")?
 * 3) Should it be? If no, why not?

My major point is that you keep saying the off-builds are more fun but you aren't acknowledging that that is a problem. Why don't you find AD Jarvan as fun? The thing I find particularly frustrating about the AP Jarvan argument is that AP Jarvan literally has no engaging gameplay (he was insanely popular in URF and is literally about harassing you to die with unavoidable stabs for most of your health) - at least AP Yi and AP Xin provide alternative gameplay that makes the discussion worth having.

P.S. I never actually said that AP Jarvan was toxic - I proposed two reasons why he's played, not knowing which is true. However, based on my observations from URF - I am inclined to safe AP Jarvan is toxic.