Talk:Veigar/@comment-25532677-20151002174256

So some things to keep in mind about Veigar from an experienced Veigar player.


 * Veigar with TP is a Veigar without barrier or heal.


 * You'd have to be stupid to die to Veigar pre-6


 * Counterpick =/= Counterplay.


 * His stun used to be worse to deal with and his R had a higher scaling.


 * It's okay if a champion you haven't seen in a while is now strong. Just because they aren't the Top 20 picked champions doesn't mean they aren't allowed to be strong.


 * If you take away his E, you'd have to replace it with something of equal or greater value, since if you take that away you are left with a champion that has no way to lock down targets.


 * Veigar is near useless versus Juggernauts, Bruisers, and Tanks. Veigar has trouble against most AD assassins. A good Ahri shits on Veigar.


 * Veigars will very rarely confront you, they will usually passive aggresively try to stun you or wait for you to make the first move.