Talk:Swain/@comment-26913771-20160505174640

Well, swain was called out for being too weak by Riot. Seems this rework is clearly a hard nerf. Have to wait for the data to come in, however I want to point out something I saw.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/FJvVsXyL-69-balance-cass-and-swain-especially

from Meddler, "Not seeing issues with Vayne yet, it's early days though certainly. Maybe that'll change as people adapt and use Rageblade, maybe she'll continue to be fine."

I point this out because Vayne is far more poplar then swain, and therefore we would get a better amount of data for her on day one then swain, even if it is a new build. And as Meddler points out, time Is needed before they can pass any judgment. This is on the same post calling swain out for being weak, so it seems that the data they got on swain is very out of line for them to call out swain directly.

In short, what I am tiring to say is swain is likely to have far less data out now, and therefore needs more time to be called strong or weak then other more poplar champs this patch. However Being called out on this post suggest that the data is so negative, riot had to call it out before the data became public, to keep some control.

Likely I am over reading the subtext here, and in a week or so we will get the picture. However based on this post, he is suffering.

Also I would like to point out his Q was not a range buff at all. Its max range is still 900 as before, however the tether range has been put in to 200 (radius). So he gained 75 range in his cast area, however it lost that 75 range in tether length. Like it or not, the only way you are going to catch a fleeing champ is if you can hit Swains snare, the Q will not let you catch up, by blocking their exit due to the max range is still the same. Also hidden Nerfs are coming out of the wood work. Notability is his ult has a cast time, This is very likely intended due to how they copy and passed his snare animation for his cast time, but some people are calling it a glitch.

At this point I am going to wait, and hope I am wrong, but seems like swain is in the same boat as Darius was after his rework. Also it seems people are finding some of the items lack luster so despite Riot saying there are plans for a buff, I Rather wait for the item buffs if swain is not in as bad a spot as I Believe he is.

As for my play testing of swain. I feel like swain is the most lackluster champ in the game now. Ult does not feel the same, and lane bully is all but forgotten. Made need a few more matches, however at this point I am just building him as a tank, not a mage due to I am not doing most damage, and just feel like swain has become a bullet sponge.