Talk:Udyr/@comment-973379-20120519095457/@comment-4568988-20120521003745

You can clear/kill blue fine with Q, it's just not optimal. The damage bonus and the AOE of R means the two mini creeps next to blue die from you just hitting the blue golem. This will always make R faster then Q for clearing camps even at level 1. Even single target DPS Q is worse than R because the attack speed is overshadowed by the fact that Udyr has a second applying damage source from R. R will always be faster for clearing camps.

Q also isn't optimal for ganks above level 1. You take 1 level of it to gain advantage of the 1.5 AD ratio. The same reason why carries get AD before AS, Udyr should level R before Q.

Regarding the first four levels. It's situational. Level 1 should be Phoenix unless invading then pick Bear. After golem if you see a gank opportunity take Bear second. If after golem you just go normal route wraiths then red pick Turtle for sustain and get Bear 3rd for gank. If enemy isn't Lee Sin/Shyv/Trynd and you want to take their red. Take Tiger after golem because Phoenix + Tiger rotation is the fastest DPS combo so guarantees you can clear red before enemy jungle arrives.

Hope that helps.