Talk:Sejuani/@comment-33536623-20140331092028/@comment-5077844-20140416220151

Well maybe i wasn't clear enough:

With "another late game tank" I mean a champ (who is intended to be a jungler) who first has to go through the ordeal of getting 2 items (Spirit of Golem and Sunfire) to be  at least somewhat tanky to actually survive the ganks you're planning. Also the jungletank item has been nerfed into being barely useful for tanks. The clear speed is slow....really slow...Her ganking abilities got nerfed (and don't tell me " biut the knock-up", yes that's a good ability, but look at it %hp damage. Is that what a cc tnak needs? Nope, she just needs to be able to clear decently as well as sustain in the jungle)

I know she wasn't that good before the rework, but now it's even worse, because you can't really capitalize on early advantage.

TO sum up that random jabbering above: the idea for new sejuani was good...but then it was overpowered so it got nerfed. ANd now we got a TANK who's really REALLY dependent on getting items, which she can't if :

a) she gets counterjungled (which is easy)

b) she runs out of mana (which she does easily if one's trysing to improve jusngle clear time as well as manage some decent ganks)

c) she has to b after 6 camps (which is a little overexaggerated, but at least it feels like that)

Old Sejuani: Tank with bad early clears, but amazing ganks due to permaslow and op range ultimate, not perfect, but good as a niche pick.

New Sejuani: ZOMG such damage lategame %HP, knockup stun al the way, so stronk....oh wait IO'm nbever gonna get there cause that Shyvana/Elise/Lee Sin/Kha'Zix  etc. slapped the crap out of me in the jungle (also i don't have money because my slow is now about 2 secs and even leona can get away from that)

Summing up again: She's NOT doping what she did before. Riot tried to make her a fightertank-late gamer and literally pulled all of the few early game potential and stuffed it into that Q...

I now replaced her with Nautilus. Except for damage he does that whole stunlockgank and peel for team better (and spiritstone actually helps him sustain, cause you can rec health under your W shield)