Talk:Riven/@comment-33536623-20140127122040/@comment-7434112-20140201081957

@ U N Ovvrn Hmm, but then for theorycrafting, you'd have to include EVERY variable, for example the Perseverance in the Defence mastery, minion agro, jungle pressure etc. It'd be even hard to theorise the mindset of the player (go in, don't go in, get CS for harass) and we'd be making assumptions in regards to it. When we take a person's experience of the matchup, all the above factors would be included in it but it'd only be in regards to that 1 situation. Anywho, I guess its your view on which is better. And when you said Kha's burst isn't high, why do you see it that way? He has high AD ratios, execute when evolved Q and so on so it's hard to believe its the lowest... I see the matchup as a counter because his silence messes up her combo (as in she can't complete it until it wears out) and he's tankier than her. If they trade, he can outsustain her with his passive and higher HP regen as well as push waves with a few lvls in E. And i'll specify it, the counter was meant for laning phase, which is important for Riven to get her snowballing and obtain items. Garen's late game isn't spectacular as well but bringing Riven down with you is a + point. Shyvanna W vs Garen E is 700 vs ~970 with 100 bonus AD at lvl 10 without AA's. Things to note, Shyvanna's total damage needs a max of 7 secs with 4 AA's and Garen's is a static 3 secs. I agree she has a lot of damage in her kit, utility... 1 knockback which isn't reliable. And Garen's ult is interruptable? News to me o.o