Talk:Ivern/@comment-26203093-20160921003535/@comment-26203093-20160921005759

which is why vision was a condition, if they just jump him, his shield is the only real benefit, since skill shot CC at point blank when you get jumped is often russian roulette since they try to make you miss it. And because he has to take a second round to actually harvest, you can just wait for him with no levels or money, kill him, and take the camps early on. I believe they're going to have increase the grovinating speed, at least as you level if you don't want to lose your jungle.