Talk:Renekton/@comment-190.145.83.210-20120622193628/@comment-5009341-20120623084832

youmuus...
i used to think this item is garbage (especially on rene), but recently when i started building him like a carry i realised its real value (it is HUGE),

yes it gives u only 30 ad, 15%crit and 20armpen (which isnt as much, but with the active u will gain 40% as (worth 1050gold) and 20%ms (worth ~450 gold) allowing u to stack ad and crit, while u have no need to invest in as (this item gives u actually enough), further more the 15%cdr is a must on rene.

so basicly u transform for a few seconds into a dps carry, allowing u to 1v1 jax or others and being usefull while ur cds are on cooldown, yes the duration is short, but if u know how to use this item it is far more then enough (e.g.: u can increase the duration to the max, if u use the active before u (e,aa,q,) aa,w,aa (,e,aa) and will instantlyy apply 4 stacks), as a melee carry u dont need the as permanent, just for turret pushing or dragon/nashor or fights, u usually can kill multiple targets during the duration, it is nice how sleeper OP this item is

if this item is so OP, why noone uses it on carries?
the active by itself is short and mostly only melee champs benefit from the active, but due to the current meta noone plays melee ad carries, because they cant go bot, and top they are inferior too, cause they cant handle most off the offtanks,

but if u would put a melee carry top with a support, who is designed to help melee champs (karma) and put a champ with huge sustain and long range lasthitting abilities bot (mundo) u will realize the true terror behind the melee carry concept (melee carry damage>>>>ranged carry damage)

but rene is offtank and not a melee carry...
no he actually is a melee carry, just people fall for the riot builds (which are crap in the most situations anyway), his offtank ability equals tryndameres (which means it is utter crap)