Talk:Graves/@comment-168.184.220.3-20120523133543/@comment-4677525-20120525054151

In my opinion, Graves is much better early game then Ashe is because Buckshot has extremely powerful burst and his passive is quite strong at this stage.

However, late game I actually think Ashe's extra AA range and amazing utility make her a lot more valuable than Graves (assuming they were evenly farmed). Unfortunately, it takes a skilled Ashe player to be able to farm under pressure from Graves so if Ashe gets denied early game, Graves has the upper hand late-game.