Talk:Zeke's Harbinger/@comment-6281696-20150730202206/@comment-6281696-20150808083431

@Henrebotha The stats are horrendous, not because you don't want to the stats but because it's too little to be of any functional value.

Mana + CDR + armor: indeed these are usefull, but it's barely more than a glorified glacial shroud. It's just a pathetic amount for a finished item.

AP: there's two problems here. One is the fact that 50 AP isn't exactly much, but at least if supports could get say 5 AP items with 50AP it'd be reasonable. Sadly we can't and you frequently end up with like a 100AP or some similar lackluster amount. But what's worse is that a great deal of supports have fairly bad ratios. 50 AP on say tresh his 50% ratio Q is just insignificant, having a minion who happens to land an AA or two probably makes more difference to your fight than that 50AP will for most supports.

~The difference with gnar's passive is that Gnar's passive isn't virtually useless when he's in mini. He might be easier to defeat in certain situations, but he still has his bonus movement & attackspeed while this item is just a glorified glacial shroud if the passive is down.

~The actual buff is fairly reasonable. Though the AP-bit seems a bit pointless unless you're playing something like annie. Even characters like sona & Jana I rarely see with high enough AP values to make that truly interesting. As for the crit, 50% would be usefull if supports focused on AA's, but since the majority has slow AA's (and some barely ever AA) it feels lackluster. If the item gave say 50% crit and 50% AS this wouldn't be an issue.

~As for the mule bit: supporting your ally is what we're supposed to do. However supports get pushed more and more into a "mule" type of role. And this is yet another item/change/thing that is only ever usefull if there's an ally. Of course a support is at its best when he's supporting an ally, but if an item does virtually nothing for you on your own it does not feel nice. And the small amount of AP is not enough to make up for that.

~sidenote: as for the build you've mentioned. How stupidly much money do you get that you can actually afford that? Hell you've not even included boots, sightstone & the golditem, combined with those that build should be expensive even if you didn't have the abysmall income supports get.