Talk:Graves/@comment-153.107.33.151-20111020225331/@comment-146.110.102.177-20111021105220

Sorry to mention guys, but i could push with that "low" early game damage the perfectly in both dominion, and on twisted treeline. :D In the latter i obliterated the sololane. BTW buckshot pretty coon become a hit/minion wave abilty.

PLS REALIZE: It has 2 uses.
 * 1) 1 u go in close, and take 1/3 1/2 of their hp (because deals more dmg)
 * 2) 2 use its range to harass... If you suck with him means you wanna play "i go there and kill everyone", beeing able to do that in this game = OP champ, or noob opponents.

99% the player is responsible for UP or OP... :) i had a graves in dominion in my team. HE was so useless it was basically 5v4 I played him in dominion lux + me pushed bot, got their capture point and kept it 2/3 of the game... :)

Btw he is sturdy with his passive. HAs a harass/burst Q, has a great utility W with slow, and it can basically shut off any physical DPS... his E gives more to utility, with a supernice cooldown, its col for escape/initiation., multiplies the utility of the other two. HE has afairly spammable ulti, with ok damage, and additionally having an extra aoe component.

So, why is he up? cause you cant play him? :D