Talk:VPBE/@comment-24795478-20140817104925/@comment-24090792-20140818192835

besides what Emptylord has said about the changes being experimental, i think riot must not release them before fixing seraph's embrace's problems too because imo i think it is even a worse item for those who build it than the current muramana is for a couple of reasons :

1- seraph's embrace is usualy built in conjuction with RoA which results in too much stalled power in the league of assassins ( zed, talon, akali, katarina, leblanc and fizz are still large and they just need their ulti and 1 item to spank you hard ).

2- it's active cd is too high for it being based on a champ's current mana that is never full when you need to use it ( the active uses mana too ).

3- an item that is viable on 1 champ only imo is not a good idea and its viable on ryze only because he builds an extra item that grants mana ( FH or IBG ) in addition to RoA as i prefer to build AUG on veigar and karthus because as veigar i prefer the amount of cdr ( more dps on Q, more stuns and more spell rotations with E and R ) and the amount of magic resist ( most initiating supports or tanks and hard to avoid pokes like lux's E do magic damage ) it gives over seraph's embrace's active and the 253 damage it's passive gives to veigars spell rotation at level 18 ( in that late game its just meh as you can take ignite instead of exhaust to do the trick although exhaust is still nice since it reduces MR by 10 now ) and as karthus i prefer it for the same reasons if not more on him than veigar since his E scales poorly on AP and since he have to stroll amidst team fights so the magic resist becomes more useful for E more ticks before using zhonya and the cdr for more R usage.