Talk:Elise/@comment-3035733-20130723001526/@comment-7967732-20130724212850

1. 925 range gap closer is huge on number, not huge in reality. Xin or Mao Kai dash work even when the target dash/flash out, and it is a quick one staged ability. Her E is buggy and take almost a second, and with the new nerf, your enemy has time to retreat easily. The only possible way to actually use E now is point right at the enemy (for an instant up and down action), which limit her chase alot, especially when they run into the bush and become untargetable. And don't say "rappel up to see them", cuz by that time, they are already far away.

2. Spiderlings are useless against many top laner skills/poke as they are mostly single targeted abilities or AoE. So ALMOST EVERYTHING is fucking exaggerated. The only thing that comes to mind is Nida's spear (and maybe Zed's Q since the damage will be reduced). Are they useful against Jayce, Kayle, Sion, Pantheon, Rumble, Malphite... ? Or are you still that dumb to say YES!

3. Her poke/poke/poke then jump in play style has never changed, and I never said it will be changed in any patch that they nerfed her. But her timing to go all in has change alot. Lvl 3 all in now is very risky, especially against some with high damage potential early on (Panth, Aatrox, Udyr...) and she required much more poke till that point that she can go for a kill safely. Before the resist nerf, her true counters top are only Yorick & Cho. After, many can, though not exactly counter, stand toe to toe with her on top lane without much trouble.

4. Don't embarrass yourself with Syndra + Riven examples like they are really tough and winning against them proved a lot. They are both very easy to lane against in top lane. Riven has no sustain, a very small shield and extremely short ranged stun. Her gap closer is pathetic and just serve for an easier Cocoon. Her damage is actually quite high, but much like Garen/Darius, she can't touch Elise at all to deal any of those (until Elise please to jump in). Syndra is so squishy and if she miss her stun (not so rare even on skilled Syndra), it's a sure kill for Elise even without much poking before. The reason why she is not that strong mid is not only the long range of the mages, but the short length of the lane, making a harder chase for Elise (early turret hurts badly) and enables turret hug more often.