Talk:Black Cleaver/@comment-3493296-20121118091232/@comment-5.83.71.124-20121202170743

"Carries generally won't be seeing either tbh"

Well, most people follow the words of the pros like if it is written in the stone, and the fact is that the level of pro's gameplay is not relevant to most of the players. Just go at normals and try building this on a carry instead of a LW and find out that it is far more rewarding when your enemy doesn't even knows about the concept of armor.

"It's better when you have to kill multiple enemies who have > 100 armor or may not have the time to keep up 3 stacks of debuffs on enemies.  Some carries rely on a burst spell or two and this doesn't synergize as well as LW with their strat"

Bursty carries are almost non-existant in the game. And still, a carry is more about ASPD than burst, if you're building a carry right you don't have problems when stacking the debuff thrice due the current TBC's AS. However, when TBC gets reworked, forget about doing that.

And btw, what carry dives alone in a 3v1 besides Trynd in late game? And believe me, I main Trynd, and he actually feels better with a TBC than with a LW.