Talk:Kayle/@comment-5877442-20140826233847/@comment-24082016-20140830225829

I can say Burst Kayle still outdamages in a duel vs any champ because 1. it was weakened so that she wouldnt be impossible to duel against if half-decently farmed up, but not to the point of being unable to do good burst, and 2.bc of the nature of her ult.

Her ult buys her the minimum of the ult time, while also negating any targetted damage that may have been aimed at her before her Ult was used, but only hit after intervention was casted. The implicit defense of Kayle's Ult is psychological. Many champs dueling her will hold off on their main damage abiltiies(e.g. Zeds ult) until they know it's a sure hit(with her hard cced) or she's at low hp.The worst case for a champ vs a Kayle w/ ult up is that she's within 4 seconds of killing them and she's still close to max. The best case for such a champ is if their DPS or trading ability is high enough that they dont need to worry about landing skill shots to quickly desimate her. The longer a duel has to last, the more likely a champ will put Kayle in a rough predicament.

And just because it's been "massively" weakened for her, her Burst is still real. By third item(nash,rab, and lich), it's. The only difference, before, as many have stated, is that it takes an extra 2 seconds, of autoatks, or another proc of lich to finish what old kayle burst would do in 2seconds.

The damage of a burst kayle on anythig squishy still only takes 3-4 seconds of uninturpted damage(1-2 more lich bane procs). With void staff(5 item), anything relatively tanky is hurting for at least a quarter of it's HP(extreme tank, low damage output, or a galio, which u still crap on)  after those 4 seconds. So oddly enough, a tank still takes significant damage from her burst w/ void completed.

If you think I'm making this up, then go ahead and try it yourself. Get some friends together. Farm up to equal gold or put urself at a disadvantage, and try out her burst against them. Try it against fullbuild non-supp Leonas, Alistars, Kog maws, ryzes, galios,  Jaxes, fioras, rivens, whatever. If you dont have any friends to use, then do it against bots(intermediate. gold only knows what beginner bots are thinking when building). 50 mins in, they'll have some decent item sets to test out against, and it will only get better after that. Hell, you could even try it out on the dragon. Try it for urself and tell me if the Burst kayle gets outdueled by something. And after that, try the other builds you're thnking of, and tell me how they fair against the worst matchsup and best matchups you could think of, compared to how the Burst Kayle does.