Talk:Hecarim/@comment-4304118-20130316172845

Any number crunching pro that could explain to me if the overall Ult damage, considering the AP from Icy Fist, would be the same if you land the shockwave on the intended target of your burst?

This doesn't change the fact this is just a straight nerf as the Riders damage will be less than an AA from a support at any stage of the game, I can live with a bigger CD on W.