Talk:Riven/@comment-22964237-20131116211647/@comment-5209745-20131124004813

"first: udyr doesnt need to build jsut 1 stat to gain everything he needs. riven just purchases AD and she is fine."

Which is what happens with all AD-casters and almost all AP characters. But personally at least, I don't feel that she's fine with JUST ad.

"'udyr doesnt have 4 dashes. a slow/snare will set his damage to 0 since he has to come into melee range to be able to deal damage, while riven simply doesnt care.'"

This is exactly why I'm always recommending Morgana in order to counter Riven if you don't mind to go experimental with an AP in top. A snare will set her damage to 0 too unless she wants to waste her ult, not only because range, but also because she can't cast those dashes while snared.

Btw, although I admit that the common dash range goes from 600 to 700, and that Riven's Q goes up to 720, she can be interrupted between every cast, which actually reduces the effectivenes of Q as a gap closer/escape mechanism. So it's mostly like a common dash and a short dash, rather than 4 dashes.

"also, lets not talk about her splash-kit which enables her to fight 2-3 melee guys at once, or her stupidly OP autoattacks."

I'm not going to deny it: I could deal with it if they remove the AoE damage from Q. About that "her stupidly OP autoattacks", well, I've never seen her dealing 1300 damage from an AA. And I deal 1300 damage with Trynd on a 2.0 AS basis. See what I mean here?

"i play her myself and i recognise that she is way too strong; closing your eyes before that fact is just lying to yourself."

I've never said that she's weak. If anything, what I've always said is that she's counterable, unlike what most people thinks. That said, for in case you didn't understand me before, what I said is that you have to think as a game designer if you want to change a kit, rather than just nerfing because it seems pretty to you when you're butthurt.