Talk:Riven/@comment-5077844-20150113115846/@comment-15244341-20150113170054

However, the Riven has no right to have innate sustain in her kit... Lets be honest, dueling a Riven is pretty much a dumb choice that will lose you the lane, even if you are Renekton or whatever. Riven lanes and Gnar lanes have to be played with a specific mindset. In Riven's case, it's poke her and force her to overextend so that she's open to a gank. "Fight Riven at 6" or being in range of any of her combos (specially flash-stun) is a recipe for disaster. It's like saying Darius should lose the E grab because he can burst you from 20% at 6 if you go do something near him. Is it annoying? Yes. Do the champions pay for that? Yes.

My only gripe is that her ult cooldown is pretty much nonexistent late game. Same with Yasuo. For such a strong ultimate, both should have to make meaningful choices on when to use them. It's really annoying having Riven duel someone with ult at 16 and then use it in the subsequent teamfight. Champions with zero downtime are pretty annoying.

Also, your proposer solution means nothing. If the Riven player isn't dumb and knows her champion's damage (probably should, Riven is not a "pick up and play" champ) she will still kill you with the combo no questions asked. It will just serve as a "Riven can't snipe you to clean up a teamfight".

Also Riven vs Renek is pretty close to a skill matchup. Both have tools to counter each other. Maybe Renek has the upper hand, since he can sustain really hard while poking. That said, Riven's real strength is that she deals a shitload of damage and has high outplay potential and an AoE ranged execute. Luring people into a false sense of security is not something Riven does, is something the players do when playing against her. And I'm not saying that you are a bronze VII scruf and stfu l2p. I'm saying that the way she is right now is actually fine. She has her strengths and snowballs like few other champions, but her weaknesses are there and pretty damn easy to exploit.