Talk:Udyr/@comment-58.136.222.13-20120716123536/@comment-98.71.72.18-20120719190502

Udyr's strength is his ability to farm those jungle minions and live in the jungle, especially once he gets that Wriggle's, but not ganking. Rammus's strength is his ability to gank, he closes the gap well and can taunt them for damage for pretty long, but he lacks jungling strength. If I'm jungling against a Rammus as pretty much anyone, I'm invading his jungle all day. It's a "whatever's you think is best" thing but of course everyone on the Udyr page will say Udyr.

There are pretty good junglers other than Udyr and Rammus for that price. Some champions around that price but may not necessarily be as reliable as Udyr or Rammus are Shaco and Olaf (and maybe Xin Zhao with the buff he's about to get). On the other hand, Master Yi, Nunu, Tryndamere and Dr. Mundo (since his buff a while back) are fully capable picks and cheaper. Master Yi and Tryndamere offer way more to the team post level 6 and I would even go so far as to say Dr. Mundo is a better jungler than Udyr because Dr. Mundo only has to be able to aim that cleaver while Udyr has to actually physically touch the enemy.

If it's between Udyr and Rammus, I say Udyr because Rammus doesn't cover all aspects of jungling (dragon, ganking, sustain, invading, etc) like Udyr does, or if it's just what you have the means for, I'd say Dr. Mundo. But looking at all of the champions, why would you pick anyone other than Lee Sin?