Talk:Riven/@comment-36002403-20180918094726/@comment-36002403-20181126133054

I wonder how you want to outtrade a Electrocute/Conqueror Riven with a GotU Malph. But fine lets see how much you actually know about the match up.

Riven trading patterns are basically like this: Safe your third Q for the knockup and start trading with AA into W -> AA -> E away. (If you dont hit the knock up you are bad at zoning or Malph is losing cs.)

Malph Patterns are quite simple too: Poke with Q (which he cant against Riven coz she can soak up the damage with her 'E'). If you get engaged trade back with 'E' -> 'W' -> 'Q' if possible. (Which isnt possible since you cant 'E' while knocked up or stunned and Riven is already out of your reach after her trade pattern.)

Im not saying she is overall op since she got a lot of skill match ups against the most other skirmisher/bruiser and gets countered hard by juggernauts but against tanks she really got a easy time and feels very forgiving to play and leaves almost no room for counterplay.

As i said she is only doing good vs Tanks which maybe make up 50% of her match ups. The other 50% are mainly bruiser or juggernaut match ups which are not very favorable for her. That would be her average winrate to me.