Talk:Graves/@comment-87.253.47.107-20111222120848/@comment-89.173.12.224-20111223214420

Kinda individual but I like graves more than vayne...vayne is stronger if you focus on AD and single she destroys anyone with some micro and stealth skills + tumble + sucessfull stun and that ulti increasing AD on 1v1 she will win most time and in TF she can dominate anyone 1v1 as I mentioned before with stealth tumble and silver bolts can pretty quick kill their carry or AP just need good position and initiate, she can easily kite go out of fight and turn in in few secs but she is good from mid and insane in late while graves is early mid stronger and that AS with burst dmg + good smoke even w/o smoke you can easy burst someone...in late he is quite strong he can ultra carry if played decently but he needs to be in frontline and burst is not that good in late as in early or mid abilities cant crit but still decent carry not stronger than vayne but graves AOE and smoke can turn fight into positive scenario but as I said its individual I like graves more but vayne is also good so in TF graves, on 1v1 vayne...but dont underestimate vayne in TF and graves on 1v1 ;)