Talk:Heimerdinger/@comment-4928205-20120319142819/@comment-24.146.194.181-20120422071121

He definitely needs something... from where he was with 3 turrets, they took away almost 1/2 his total damage and gave him NOTHING back in the 2 years since except a slight mana cost reduction on his turrets.

He lost a turret AND a large part of ALL of his skills AP scaling (for example, grenades went from .77 all the way down to .6 with their base damage not even being touched, rockets and turrets also got big nerfs to AP ratios).

Did he get more utility in exchange for the loss all of this damage? NO... instead, they ALSO lowered the range of his stun by 100, his rockets by 200, his turrets by 150, lowered the life of his turrets while increasing their cooldown greatly, AND made his backdooring MUCH worse than it was by taking away over 3/4 of his damage to towers (none from grenades, only half from turrets, and of course one less turret).

I guess the buffs to his ult are a slight buff to his utility, along with the fact that his turrets now sometimes decide to attack champs attacking heimer if minions are around, though with his turrets being only 2, with short range (less than even a ranged minion!), a minute cooldown instead of 12 seconds, and lower health than ever, im not sure that really makes up for anything he lost at all.