Talk:Rammus/@comment-25115166-20140816235312/@comment-25115166-20140818074110

I disagree with you, too. Guess I don't often play with needy teammates and I can simply handle the counterjungle.

I just communicate with my team when I pick Rammus into Lee or Eve. I have them ward the river for me, and if the enemy tries to counterjungle, I have them help me, more often than not giving my team a first blood and fcking up the enemy jungler.

And if they have Shaco, well I just pray to god =D

Sure you need to find teammates who actually will sacrifice 75 of their early gold to help you out, but it isn't that rare. At the very worst you can DuoQ and have a reliable teammate who will help you with warding.

Sejuani IS a farming beast though. If she doesn't get really far behind in the first 10 minutes, it's almost certain that she's going to farm like hell and comeback massively stuffed on items even though she didn't gank a lot.

Rammus on the other hand? Man, if you don't gank early, you're gonna get wayyyy behind. His jungle clear time is just too shitty. Matter of fact I would say you NEED to gank at lv3 and get an assist, or you're gonna get late, and everything will snowball out of your control.