Talk:Ryze/@comment-84.177.12.39-20111030193057/@comment-190.247.101.204-20111031221143

Yeah, starting with Q would be ideal, but in most cases you're better off doing W > Q > R > E > Q for a great burst of damage that will probably take about 3/4 of your opponent's health. That's the ideal nuke for laning, I usually follow it with a flash ignite and a last q to finish him off if he's not already dead.