Talk:Riven/@comment-22964237-20131116211647/@comment-24073465-20131128055206

The problem with Riven isn't in countering her, lane-wise..Olaf, Udyr, Darius, Half of the Demacia Squad, Morde, etc. can take her out in most cases...

It's not about her Early game either...some characters have strong Early game,we know that...we also know not to feed such characters or they steam-roll the team in late...

The problem with Riven is that her damage, mobility, shield and scalings together make her hard to beat or even run away from...along with that, EVEN if you prevent her getting fed early, unlike most early game guys, by mid-late her damage comes back, since she builds ONLY AD...and then, because of the spammable,resourceless shield, she doesn't really have squishiness...way I see it, she's kind of an inverse-pre rework Olaf, as pre-rework Olaf could build full tank and rely on his W or E for damage, similarly, Riven builds Full AD and relys on her shield for damage...

The problem with her shield is that with her AD-CDR build, her shield is theoretically up within 1 second(shield of 2.5 sec,cd of 3.6, thus only one second of no shield)...also, OVERALL (don't think of just one aspect like strength, duration or cd), it is a much stronger shield than most of the other shields that exist, even many AP and supports included...and despite what was said, unless you are a fed trynda, that shield won't "go away in one hit" at least not without using an extremely powerful ability...the Shield also mitigates most of your poke, as I've seen it block ignites, many ults, powerful attacks, etc...and since it doesn't run on any resource, it can be spammed whenever you want....

Overall, the general problem with Riven is that she can't really be "shut down" and always gets back up, and that because of her ratios, shield and mobility, she is able to deal TONS OF DAMAGE (Thanks, Phreak!) and still get out alive...I can understand her whooping squishies, beating up unprotected carries,etc but the fact that her damage+Last Whisper+Brutalizer+insane AD ratios makes her dangerous to tanks TOO, EVEN IF SHE ISN'T FED, without her having her own tankiness is something which makes her OP....

..and about the suggestion to have your Ahri/Kassa/whoever mid kill her...if they screw up even the tiniest bit (especially with skillshots), it's r,q,q,q,w,Hydra active,wind slash, ignite "an ally has been slain"...