Thread:Double Slap/@comment-3391671-20180123050816/@comment-3391671-20180130135320

Logotherapy is certainly an interesting theory/concept. I recommend the book that Frankl covers it foremost in, "Man's Search for Meaning." Nothing complicated beyond the terms introduced for concept, and even then they aren't frustratingly difficult from a reading perspective.

Without any such quotes, it wouldn't help establish who he is verbally. As mentioned in past messages, and as you have demonstrated in one of the quotes, Nevon prefers being a doctor, but finds it that while medics exist out in the battlefield, they are very much likely not close to being a proper doctor. Most doctors of high skills prefer the safe office space, so Nevon decides that someone needs to be "that medic." Thus he volunteers himself to do it.

I feel that Nevon has also likely seen a few results in noticing the differences between the two over his time post-crisis. For example, he may have a quote designating:
 * "There is the medic, then there is the doctor on the battlefield. Which one do you think is the one who panics more?"

Just the thought.

Otherwise, I do agree that Nevon requires aside quotes that are about him explaining about himself without being questioned prior. He's probably have seen enough questioning glances, but also wants to demonstrate in both words and actions his status. - So "I'll kill you myself" is moreso an extreme expression of frustration, purposely meant to be ironic to the first clause. I'll take it that I haven't encountered similar quotes enough, seeing that I lack the skill to detect meaning behind ironic English quotes.

Nevon is in ways an engineer, but nothing more than what you could call a tinkerer or baseline mechanic. He doesn't purely conceive of all the devices he has been offering to his patients, as he is more well versed in making machine-assisted leg braces and back supports. Of course, I could move him into having the required skillset in order to make more complex devices so that when he is out in the field, there will be episodes where he'll create some kind of powersuit arm for the sake of a battle. Nonetheless, his priorities are certainly towards being a doctor before an engineer. Just felt such a quote would be humorous in such a situation.

Yes. Bitter. That is most definitely what Nevon will be expressing in the case.

I was joking, and mostly felt like I would cringe if Nevon did go Tsundere. But you have convinced me that as long as the quotes are not exagerated to the levels of animu, they can work into his personality, as seen in the quotes you've provided. I've also thought up of a quote:


 * "Next time, don't take risks when there are better choices to be had, idiot."

As long as the quotes are adjusted, the over-desperation can be taken care of. For example, the latter quote can be along the lines of this:


 * "Please don't do this to me. I already have enough to worry about!"

Enemy targeted quotes would be much welcomed, especially because of that "after war, there are no enemies or allies. Just people" feel. While you state that he is only willing to patch up the enemy after the war, I get this sense that before making that thought, he might hesitate a bit. Maybe only early on, but in my mind, hesitation to not heal someone seems possibly characteristic of him.

I had the nuance of the quote, but didn't want to take guesses if it meant "everyone will die eventually" compared to "everyone will die by my hand now that they have killed someone." Knew it wouldn't go that manic, but who knows ^w^" Therefore, I appreciate the clarification.

I too feel putting-my-faith-in-you quotes are possible but feel off with his backstory. Instead, what comes to mind is to show that when he does place some kind of trust... he displays that he's had enough BS and won't forgive anyone who takes his trust too loosely. While I've thought of a quote, I still want to tinker with it to make it sound less contradictory (especially if the target player is going to be rash anyways):


 * "I trust that you won't do anything rash. Please, don't ever think of betraying that trust."

I've noticed that you've placed a good number of quotes for fourth-wall breaking. I'm not against them, but maybe the volume of how many you've put towards is not what I'm used to. IF don't mind me saying, please keep that in mind.

Surely, I like my heroes, but Nevon isn't supposed to be a Demacian (just anyone who embodies a hero-like attitude). However, as you may know, line delivery can change the nuance of the line, so as long as it isn't a hardcore "Believe it!" line, there shouldn't be any fret about him sounding overly heroic for his background. Plus, if condescending helps in preventing him sound like a justice freak, then manipulate the language with it as needed.

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I don't truly think Nevon is the only combat medic in existence. As you list, there are likely shamans and druids, and those could actually exist in Runeterra. However, it can be said that he believes there does not exist proactive enough doctors (even among druids/shamans, not many of them are combat intensive, yes?). Medics out on the battlefield are soldier first, bandage-patcher second; other medics sit in the tent, only having received limited training. All the other doctors remain in the streets of the cities, finding wealth in safety.

You could compare Nevon to real world missionaries or medical organizations such as the who give medical help to areas of the world that is in need of assistance. In a more fantasy world, Nevon is like a traveling healer who is also able to fight. He's a shaman/druid, but for the city in ways. So far though, there haven't been much mention of a druid or shaman attaining the feel of "legend" (essentially becoming important enough to be a champion or mentioned in a champion's bio) exist. The city-doctor I mention Nevon to be especially are also non-existant. Therefore, not only does Nevon fill a support role for these regions (Zaun/Piltover) that lack a proper healer (I don't count as she is an outlier imo), he fulfills being a combat-capable doctor in such city regions.

Nevon's likely statement of "I'm the only one on the frontline," it can be a reference to the above, where all other combat medics on the battlefield on much a medic anyways. In the rift, healers are more utility based (though we see and  a murder in given circumstances), whereas Nevon will stand beside  among healers who have that bit more durability over having these  scaling offense abilities that can really hurt.

What interests me more than just his concept of death is how he would interact with those who's based around being some kind of zombie or anyone/thing changed into a non-human. These would include the magical such as and, along with ,  and  being part of the latter category. Of course, having him deal with immortals or long living beings ( coming to mind most) will be another story.

As I hopefully wished I was able to clear on, Nevon does see that "peace" is only a phase between war, but have come to accept to make the best of it instead of brooding that it isn't enough. As you say, he nevertheless is seeking the end of war itself, and that quote touches well on it. I just want to make sure to avoid him sounding like someone who is realived when a fight is done, then to be overly accepting when a new battle arises. As we've discussed, witnessing a new battle arise annoys Nevon, as he is only human.

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Connecting Nevon to the "war of Zaun" is for sure a goal. Just one I haven't dug into just yet as my foremost aims were to streamline his primary journey. In the end, he does need a base of "why he is a doctor, and the kind of doctor he is now." Family is the way to go, though I do wish to avoid going for overdone cliches.

Thus, I'm glad you had done the reading for Nevon of how much of a Lone Wolf he feels like, though it does not mean he is removed from feeling familial thoughts. In truth, so much has happened in regards to his close family that he separates the two, though failing in the sense that the consequences is him seeming morbid and unfriendly.

Yet, I don't want Nevon to start from actual poverty. You could say that I claim this because I would like other potential champions to play with "rise from the dust" themes than letting Nevon have it all. Instead, his family were part of that "middle class" which already had access to getting a medical degree. Yet, I wouldn't like to change one opinion I do have on Zaun, where anyone can die from the conditions in the underground city. Conditions turned harsh for his parents, and Nevon couldn't do anything for them. And as you state, having lost his parents, he attempted to find purpose elsewhere, which was in "curing his patients," not "taking care of them." But then, the latter case happens of him learning how to "appreciating for what he already has" is strikingly observed when he meets his wife.

If poverty is going to exist in Nevon's life, I would do it with the wife. Having him be the poor-but-a-doctor is not the kind of story I would like to spin. Instead, having the wife be from "humble" origins could be a rightful answer to Nevon's ailing mind in the wake of his parents' death. But I would delay further when his wife and possible unborn child are done away by death right before deceited by Noxus. Having him motivated on research for Noxus is one approach, but you could say I would like to aim for dramatic flare where Nevon wants the best for his wife, and gets a bit blinded of why he even is a doctor. He accepts the Noxian job, but not only does he eventually learn of the ironic cruelties his medicine has been causing, but he also loses his wife in the meanwhile. This is why he is more morally hit than when his parents had died.

Nevon then returns to his old lab, thus his old home in Zaun. There he takes a moment to backtrack and remember the past for what it is. What his parents did for him. What he has done for his patients. What his wife meant to him in the small room in Zaun. And no, he's not trying to find the answer of "I wanted comfort of family," but a realization in the dream and goal his beloved believed he would fulfill: help as many people out that he can possibly help.