Talk:Graves/@comment-4710042-20140926144739/@comment-7095057-20141104082615

If that response was to me I merely said one or the other, not both. His E might need a slight tweak but he's good where he is right now.

70% isn't crazy especially for it's 4 seconds. We could take a look at other ADC champions:

Twitch has a 70% AS boost when exiting Ambush for 5 seconds (16 cd)

Tristana has a 5 second, 0 mp costing 110% AS steriod on a 20 second cd

Ezreal can boost his AS by 50% through his passive for 6 seconds, and an additional 40% through his essence fluxd

Sivir's ultimate boosts her W AS speed by 80% when it's used

MF's Impure Shots increases her AS by 60% for 5 seconds

Quinn gets a 40% AS boost for attacking a marked target for 3 seconds while Valor gets a flat 80% increase

Gnar has a 99% AS booster off of his passive alone when he's in mini form

Jinx gets a 130% AS boost while in minigun form off of all stacks

It should be noted that all of these champs but jinx have a higher % as per level

So in comparing against most of the ADCs, Graves has a pretty on par AS steriod. Yes his is a bit easier to manage, but other ADCs have special added features tacked on. I really don't believe his steriod is "massive" when looking at other ADCs.