Talk:Udyr/Strategy/@comment-3166305-20120621180738/@comment-84.250.35.35-20120626122814

I think you probably misunderstood what I just told you. If you build Atma's you will need hp too for it to be effective and buying that hp is expensive. Warmog's + Atma's > Triforce IN TERMS OF COST and you only buy the Triforce on _TIGER UDYR_ when you are STOMPING as in LOADED WITH CASH and AHEAD of your opponents significantly (or as a last item if you need more damage). Understand now? And phoenix Udyr doesn't need Wriggle's because he clears the jungle camps fast enough (and generally doesn't really benefit from Wriggle's because it doesn't give you attack speed, the third hit proc is important on Phoenix in terms of damage) so just rush the HoG (+ Philo if you want) instead and start saving for Wit's end. And I'm sorry but you will never get more farm than laners (even with gold items) as a jungler or you're doing something wrong (as in you just farm the jungle and don't gank at all) OR probably the laners suck if you do get more farm as a jungler (because they obviously don't last hit or something retarded). Either way laners should always have more farm than the jungler and Udyr doesn't benefit that much from the farm he gets because his KIT is already good and useful throughout the game and he isn't a carry jungler. All Udyr needs is durability and basically Merc treads, Wit's end, Randuin's omen + some hp is all you need for phoenix Udyr.

PS. The reason I said you don't get more farm as a Jungler is that I'm significantly above all the regular lol players and in my skill level people miss like 0-1 creep max per wave unless something is going on that stops them from last hitting. Also middle laner is taking your wraiths every minute and wolves occasionally (not to mention your blue after 8th minute) so basically as a jungler you'll be roaming and ganking any lane that is pushing and get gold via that + gold items cuz you can't really depend on your jungle alone to get you enough farm unless you're playing a low elo game. And I'm not trying to mock you or anything but this is how it goes. Hope you appreciate my comments and I'm aware that my builds and stuff might not work in your games because our ratings are most likely much different.