Talk:Riven/@comment-8733289-20131108173707/@comment-4538269-20131114101003

^ Well I do have to admit that I don't play Riven thus most of what I've been saying is theorycrafting...but watching a few vids of good Rivens playing...seems to me like Riven's 2nd and 3rd Q charges have potential to mess up Jax. From what I've observed, first Q plus an AA might force Jax's E, in which case you can create distance by using your second Q and/or E and then stunning Jax with W just as he leaps in and then using your 3rd Q plus an AA to trade back after the stuns wear off OR timing your 3rd Q to knock him up as he Leaps in and then W him or E away to avoid the stun.

Now if only I actually do play Riven then I can throughly do a discussion with you but as it is...I can only offer you some insight into how a good Riven might outplay Jax. This example I'm referencing from a video of Best Riven NA vs a Jax at the Diamond 1? level. It just seems to me that Riven has a lot of tools to outplay her opponents.

I guess my point is that I just don't think Jax is such a hard counter for Riven...although your examples would lead one to believe Jax outrades Riven at all points in the game...I think there is room to outplay Jax as Riven.

Another thing is that Riven trading with Jax kills/hurts his minions...meaning minion dmg "might" not be as big as a problem for Riven the way it is for most other champs, or even Jax.