Talk:Ryze/@comment-118.208.40.91-20120722122456/@comment-72.220.144.94-20120803234310

People ban Kass and Morg because they refuse to accept that they are extremely easy to counter by sending a Talon, Trynd, etc. mid. That said, it does need to be a decent Talon and since Talon is so underplayed we rarely see them anymore, and find it hard to believe that one of our unreliable soloqueue teammates will be a decent Talon if you are not one yourself.

I understand Morg bans especially, because she can still afk farm, and thus have a strong teamfight ability versus uncoordinated soloqueue teams. However equal wave pushers can have a farm fest with her, and even deny her early by pushing the lane, as until level 5 she cannot full clear a wave with just her pool. Just because Morg gets farmed doesn't mean yours has to get denied.

Kassadin, on the other hand, is extremely simple to deny pre-6, and extremely easy to gank at this time as well. Have your jungler either camp mid or make a presence whenever he shifts from top-bottom jungle or vice versa, and Kass will be wary of farming as well as harassing. Easy. However, if youu and your team did not decide to utterly gimp Kassadin pre-6, you can say goodbye to an easy game. A level 6 Kassadin with decent farm will wreck like no other, and it's your whole team's fault. If your jungler was forced to help other lanes instead of mid, it's your sidelaners' fault for not outplaying their opponent. Not only did they screw mid, they screwed themselves because Kassadin is everywhere. That is the danger of Kass. If you don't take advantage of him early, your game just got extremely difficult. For everybody on your team.

Ryze, on the other hand, has few hard lanes. He struggles against pushers and champs that outrange him pre-7 minutes, but after his first blue, he can farm relentlessly. It is extremely easy for a Ryze to pull a Mordekaiser and clear wave and then proceed to do wraiths. Furthermore, once he hits 6, his sustain goes through the roof and so does his trading ability. Only champions that either severly outrange him or have strong, reliable (non-skillshot), CC will be able to keep him from farming after this point. A decent Ryze with Tear and Catalyst should never miss farm.

All three champs are decent bans in solo queue, because they either require teamwork or someone who is confident in laning against them to beat. This is why I don't ban either of them, because i know how to beat them. However, just because I know how to beat them doesn't mean I can expect my team's first pick to do so as well, and likewise I can't expect him to listen to me when I say I can. So if he chooses to ban them, so be it. There are worse champions to ban.