Talk:Udyr/@comment-4019444-20120409060727/@comment-4515660-20120412060017

When i say never start with truttle, i mean never start with turtle, if the enemy know you started with turlte, they can zone the crap out of you, because you started with no dauling power, always, ALWAYS start Tiger or Pheonix, then you can take turtle. Also, if you send your range AD top, if the jungler is smart, he'll apply pressure on them until Udyr gets a latern, then he just need lvl 9 for mx turtle, and he wont get poked out, ever, as he got 30% life steal and 220 absorb shield, to reall counter Udyr, you (Beleive it or not) get a Malphite or Nasus as their MS steal, super MS and AS Slows are just devasting against Udyr and he can't prevent Nasus from farming unless the Nasus as plain stupid. To counter Udyr is not a matter of damage it's a matter of utility.