Talk:Ryze/@comment-12049719-20150411094918/@comment-3148314-20150411151004

Without auto-attacks, Manamune stacks as fast as the tear alone, so you can start it early and finish it last.

Did you know that, if you finish Archangel's after Manamune before you reach 750 stacks, you will automatically stack and upgrade AAS->Seraph's first?

Anyway, I think riot should separate the AA-stack and the ability stack so that Manamune also has a chance to stack faster. Archangel's not only stacks faster with abilities, but also has a passive stack-over-time.