Talk:Pantheon/@comment-5877442-20140219142446/@comment-9705522-20140219230025

rengars is actually a snare AND situational. naut doesnt have one until he has his ult, but that has a big cooldown and is quite delayed. vi same thing, although it gives her a guaranteed kill. sion and taric do though. problem is sion sucks, and taric doesnt do much damage early on. as for why leona renek sion and taric havent gotten better? very simple. pantheon has high damage, getting a lot out of the spirit stone. leona, renek sion and taric dont. they can clear camps too, but they are just too slow. hell, in case of taric and renek the problem never really was sustain but clearing. and actually, no. he can easily use his q twice per camp. especially with blue. sure, a few other junglers can too. diana comes to mind. but some cant. because they have higher manacosts. and then you just said wrong things. first off, yeah, the base damage isnt impressive early on. but 1.8 per bonus ad? with you usually having like 22 bonus ad that already is nearly 80 on an aoe. not impressive early on, true, but its better than autoattacking, and he has his q. and his q is actually not worse than khas q. unless isolated it actualyl deals more damage. well, from the 3d level of the ability anyway. this is especially true when using it to kill minions at 15% or less hp.

and actually, if panth was only picked for early pressure, he would be a situational pick. a pick that would be considered sometimes, but not staple. well, pantheon is staple. picked like every second game. and yes, if the enemy team goes passive, pantheon has a bit of trouble. but so does every jungle. especially kha.

and again, no. he isnt "niche" he is staple. he is one of the top jungle picks. great presence, great ganks, good dueling, good sustain, good clearing, high damage, and scales well. here is the thing. pantheon is an assasin that doesnt need to snowball. kha, if he falls behind, is useless. his burst is low with a full build, without one its worthless. his utility is low, his usefulness nonexistant. even if panth falls behind and has to build tanky, he still has great initiation, good cc, and enough free damage to be relevant. and actually, he is starting to get more common in solo queue too. its at 16% already. and it will rise.