Talk:Kindred/@comment-16064126-20151011021743/@comment-5955640-20151011221455

I never said you couldn't say anything. There's certainly a lot of things said about the champion that I've never objected to. The thing that I object to. Is snap judgements on a unplayed champion because having seen that done with other champions several times over it's done in poor observation and the opinion usually 180s with time.

So why bother to make an observation that sounds or act least acts absolute when everything is subject to change in time and you'll entirely change your opinion? How hard is it to give something time?

I object to impatience.

The heavy use of Valor is half the problem with Quinn. Quinn is actually useless. She's the named character in champ select but all of the work is done by Valor so much so that her strongest component which is her R and passive is the weakness that booted her out of bottom lane. She doesn't have real control over the passive except when she vaults which is unlike most other passives where control of it's effects are entirely in the hands of the player. The ult turns a ranged champ into a melee which given the typical marksman build is bad but some of your greatest damage comes from it and it's an incredible tool of mobility.

Quinn is imbalanced on the other end of the spectrum where you don't need Quinn in this game you just need Valor. There is no 50/50 sharing of the fight with any of the pet commanding champs. Either they don't have a real interaction at all or your most complex command is "Go there." or in Quinn's case you as the commander of the pet have no personal ability to manage a fight without Valor, your basically useless and it comes at a cost to be that dependant.

Lamb would more or less play the same. Ya know except for the interaction in her Q. The W activate, the entire E which is his skill. And the passive for the jungle creeps.

You would notice the difference I would think but I wouldn't know for sure because champ isn't out yet.