Talk:Graves/@comment-4344970-20111112081426/@comment-3546228-20111113013305

Nothing bad has happened to Jarvan and Vladimir. Vladimir was blatantly overpowered at release and if you were there you will know why the playerbase hated him. He's around a good spot now, perhaps just need a bit higher scalings. Jarvan got hit a little too hard in the damage department but I main him right now and he's pretty good. Graves is a great champion with an awesome design, I just don't like how he's so much better than most ranged carries.