Talk:Garen/@comment-9172004-20130910001918/@comment-3238314-20130913161959

"Add 1 MR item" - That's called moving the goal post. Your initial statement was that you ulted the ADC. ADCs build NO Mres until the 4th or 5th item and unless your team is retarded the enemy adc couldn't have finished so many. that means with runes: 43 mres. that reduces 30% of the enemy damage. Garen deals to an ashe width 1185 max hp and 400 current hp 407 damage, 284 after resists come into play, which is a quarter of the enemy's max hp. If you lower her to 300 hp, it will one-shot her.

How does this stack against other ultimates? Veigar, who has the strongest nuke, will deal SIMILAR damage, at the same level. 250+120 (assuming 100ap) + 64 (assuming enemy has 80 ap, since he doesn't have veigar's Q passive) = 434 damage before resists are calculated.

At lvl 3, assuming 2000 hp, Garen's ult is one of the VERY FEW ultimates that deal above 1000 damage BEFORE resists. (assuming 1200 missing hp and 2.2 k total, the enemy gets hit for a retarded 1005 damage. with the strongest mr item, it does not fall below 500 damage. You have to invest heavily into mr, and even then it will hurt like a motherfucker, because you will most likely build hp too