Talk:Draven/@comment-5296074-20120715211348/@comment-5112222-20120718202130

Actually an easier way to counter him is to make catching his axes less desirable, palcing traps like Swain's W or Mal'z W. Or if you force him into a chase or any fight that requires movement, catching his axes becomes harder. And no, Life steal does not counter Thornmail here's why:

Although he gains life form hits, it's after the calculations on damage for both his AA and Q damage. Thornmail damage is done before calculation, which means you can hurt yourself more then you can heal. the best example of this is Tryn vs. Ali

Tryndamere builds normally, crit, lifesteal, AS. 3 PD's, 2 BT's, 1 IE, Ali normal tank, Mog, Thorn, FoN, FH, Mercury, Shureyla. If Ali ults and goes one o none, Tryn will lose nearly all his health in a fe seconds, while Ali will take close to no damage, this isb ecause with all of Ali's damage reduction, Tryn, even with crit, is only healing for about 100, while dealin the full 1000 crit hits to himself due to Thorn (with MR it's more about 750, which means -650 health gained per hit). Also by exmaple I mean it happened once, Tryn ran like a bitch by dahsing through the wall and ulti'ing (He wasted his entire ult trying to kill me without dying, he only got me to 2/3)

NOw, as for Draven, without a tryn ult, he'd die faster even with FM, since he'd deal alot more damage with his Q put on top of his AA and Crit's, Thorn, and a Health item like FM, Rylai's, RoA, Sunfire, or Mog can usually make him have a bad day. Thornmail counters him alot more then others because of his Q.

As for other counters, he's a hypercarry, it's standard deal, CC, FH, Randium's, Ignite, Exhaust, etc.