Talk:Udyr/@comment-178.25.41.94-20120824180121/@comment-178.25.89.146-20120826013714

dw, ofc i use ms quints and ms-masteries (for jungling purposes even 0-9-21 for maximum ms-bonus) as well as being phoenix udyr (hence the high jungling speed).

problem is as u already stated: you are kinda forced to buy that shurelyas to be able to catch ppl. but imo udyr isnt a supportive tank jungle champ like e.g., but should be more like a slightly more offensive bruiser/offtank. being forced to buy an early shurelyas kinda sets him back.

sure his early game per se is quite good, but hes just not good at closing out games, because he cant really force a fight. you kinda need a champ with a ranged initiator to be able to use the power you got in the early to mid game.

i could imagine a buff to his passive, either sth like additional ms when switching stances or ignoring unit collision while the global cd is active (permanent ignoring unit collision may be slightly over the top though)