Talk:Yasuo/@comment-28691223-20160915164845/@comment-4091261-20160915175949

There is a case where even these actions are not enough to keep : teamwork with a knockup champion.

The one case that breaks the early-game turtle tactic is roaming. That said, the champion who roams must have good ganking capability. Although does not have this normally, he can gank alongside someone who can knockup the enemy in lane with a 1200 range--Just 100 units less than.

Even then with good MIA communication, if both the top and mid laner start turtling, then and the jungler can begin claiming. Since the time spent in lane was shying away from, he would just be begging you and your teammates to try and interrupt him.

Of course if the has no team coordination with the enemies, then the turtle tactic is effective. It is just that, unfortunately, even this counterplay can be broken easily.