Talk:Ashe/@comment-4748826-20140825232919/@comment-4748826-20140901133322

As frostyshots said, the stun from her ult is not really that good, in lane it last only 1 second, maybe 1,25 seconds but that's it, basically Taric's dazzle with aoe damage. It's amazing if you can land a long range arrow, but that's niche and it leaves your lane with 0 kill potencial/ peel.

Vision is cool, but, I've been playing this game for 4 years now, and I can count with my hand the amount of times I've seen that ability paying off. You can check dragon/baron MAYBE a jungle invade, but is it worth a slot in your kit? I've seen korean players taking the blue trinket lately, basically Ashe's E with lower range and managing to scout with it, also with the amount of trinkets and ward options, I think vision shouldn't be a real problem with a coordinated team, or even in solo Q with a decent support. Still, the vision is cool but that E's passive is IMO the worst part, yeah bonus gold is cool, it gives you a small edge over your enemy, but so does bonus stats like AD/CRIT/AS.

Like I said, I'm ok with the super utility carry, but if that utility is a slow, vision and a single target stun (Usually not 3,5 during teamfights... if she lands 3,5 stun that means she is not in the teamfight and that's overall bad), she should be allowed to have a little damage. (Maybe higher ratio on W, or E's passive being damage oriented?)