Talk:Graves/@comment-178.26.87.91-20111025041515/@comment-92.243.181.200-20111025164907

I bought Graves shorly after release and played both SR and CS, and I can say he's OP only in early/mid, but late game he can't carry like other pure carries (Corki, Vayne, MF, Caitlyn, Tristana). He is especially good on CS, almost all the games 1st place win. IMO Graves is a male Caitlyn, kinda similar kit, but shorter ranges of AA and abilities, he's hard to deny in the early/mid on SR, fully skillshot based, and has "tankyDPS" passive because of this, he has to get closer, more action-oriented and... less ranged AD carry style champ. Ranged AD carry mixed with tanky DPS - yes, Graves OP in the terms of basic damage and stats, but not so in terms of ratios. Riot have to lower basic damage on Q/W/R, but boost late game by buffing ratios on Q and R, maybe they should remove CD reduction on E and lower AS steroid by 10-15% specially on lower levels (40% on 1st level is really strong!). And as Glasere said ppl to much QQing about Graves being OP, like he's old Jax or Morde, or present f**king Lee Sin. He is not THAT OP - he just needs some minor tweaks to the more ranged AD carry style champion way.