Talk:Veigar/@comment-26421250-20151016005501

Veigar is in such a strong state right now. You can lose game pretty hard, and the only thing required to get back into the game is just to do ANYTHING to someone who ends up getting killed. If they die after being stunned by your E, or even not stunned but inside your E, you get 5 AP. That is massive. Plux, after you get up above 100 AP, last hitting with your Q becomes laughably easy. Once you reach a few items by just participating in teamfights- or roaming to get kills (because, really, it's hard to straight-up dominate a lane with him), he has SUCH a huge midgame presence.

I'm on a 5 game streak with Veigar right now- 3 of those ranked. What's so interesting about Veig right now is you don't have to start with the Rabadon's or the Luden's to do well. Really, and I mean this; try it out: you can start with an Athene's if you're going against another mage and you WILL dominate. The fact of the matter is, with Veigar's ridiculous AP scaling and the fact that 2 of his abilities are skillshots, it makes more sense to be able to fire off more spells than to be able to have harder hitting spells. You're going to be getting ridiculous numbers of AP anyway (haven't got less than 1200 in any of those five games), so start with the annoying build. It pays off. Plus, with 40% CDR your E is on a laughably short cooldown. With that alone you can become your team's engage or disengage almost single-handedly. ESPECIALLY in the jungle. Hello choke points!

Also, I've built Morello's and Athene's together on him and, holy shoot, it works. He's way more pokey right now, so you can just stand back and volley your q at them, while E W'ing them every however-many-short-amount-of-seconds. With that amount of CDR and Mana regen, you don't even need blue buff to have near infinite mana sustain with low cooldowns. It makes him the perfect mage, in my opinion.

Finally, might as well state that my current build for him is Athene's, Morellonomicon, Rabadon's, Seraph's Embrace, Void Staff and Sorc boots. Let's break that down: in the late game phase you have 1200-1500 AP, +250% mana regen, mana regen on kill or assist, a ton of magic penetration, a pretty big mana shield, a massive 2.5 second AOE stun on an 8 second cooldown, and an ultimate that does 1700-2000 + 80% of your enemy's AP. Gives me chills just talking about it.

And yes, it is stupid to think only about late game for a champion. But the thing is, Veigar is a champ that can make the plays needed to get your team to the late game. I've seen games turn around because of one good veigar stun that had good team followup. He's just way good, and so much fun to play.