Talk:Talon/@comment-5259099-20130614095103/@comment-9533487-20130617141142

Not sure if you meant Kassa in particular. If so, well generally i have a kill on them by level 2-3. I tend to ward my sides whenever i have the gold, so i usually welcome the ganks. If the laner has any sense at all he will wait until his jungler initiates, considering Talon can kill most people and ult away faster than it takes to walk across mid lane. Anyhow, I welcome them unless they are by a jungle with a lot of early damage, because more times than not you can either kill the laner and out dps the jungle, walk away, or E to the jungler to get out. Its really situation dependant, mostly on if you have much ad yet. This style of play that Talon uses (passive farming until you can aggressively oneshot someone) is the same with other assassins like Akali, and people think the champs are broken. If they handed the mid laner the first blue they wouldnt see things quite the same... anyhow, as far as i can tell, strong early harass is the ONLY way to keep assassins like Talon/Zed off

you, so I pick Syndra most of the time. Demolished a couple Zeds like that last night, one even afked because he just couldnt farm. If its a problem for Talon then same goes for Zed. As for seekers? If im not fed early then im already aware that im going to have to work harder than they will, since defensive play is like that. It wont change the fact that I could get a kill with a gank, or wear the enemy down enough to burst them. Also i have the option to get other lanes fed, whereas the enemy mid may not after going for a early seekers instead of mana or other big ticket items. No doubt this sucks, and is hard to beat, but it does have at least these as counterplay. If i somehow fail lane completely, i automatically switch to "help" mode. The enemy team has caused my lane to snowball, so they will want to push that advantage as hard as possible. When they dont see me walking in plain sight, they will go for the next most vulnerable. I will be there, we WILL come out ahead because of it, and ill get some gold to boot. Talons peeling is very effective for ad carries in particular; silence and slow lets them position however they need to get all that lifesteal going, etc.