Talk:Ziggs/@comment-3308937-20131203041057/@comment-13944607-20131206161436

You've got to be joking, he is NOT strong enough to justify any nerfs, and your reasoning as to why you think he should be nerfed is flawed. The 2 reasons you mentioned were that his winrate is 53-56%, and he's extremely annoying to play against. 53-56% is NOT extreme, champions are allowed to win more than half of their games without being broken. Remember that there are people playing the champions, they aren't just going off by themselves. Not to mention that your data was from a week, which is NOT long enough to give you very accurate results on his winrate. As for the 2nd reason, there are a LOT of champions annoying to play against, if you haven't noticed. Teemo, Twitch, Elise, Nidalee, to name but a few, but you don't see anyone asking for nerfs on them. There are always going to be annoying champs, some more than others, but thats general champ design, it has nothing to do with balance. There's not nothing wrong with him at the moment, he has more than a few counters, isn't the easiest champ in the world to play, and its near impossible to use his burst without putting yourself into the middle of the fight, thereby making him vulnerable.

The part that confuses me is, you mentioned that he's the 5th highest win rate champion, behind amumu and the top 3, which would put him in 2nd place in win rate, behind Amumu. Yet, i don't see you talking about Amumu nerfs, even though you said yourself that would mean he's the strongest champion in the game. Why are you attacking your perceived 2nd strongest, and not your perceived strongest? Doesn't make sense. To clarify, i don't think Amumu should be nerfed, just pointing out a flaw in reasoning/logic. Win rate doesn't mean everything, in general, except under extreme circumstances (such as 65+% winrate. That is all.