Talk:Garen the Night of Demacia/@comment-3358335-20111007173239/@comment-139.130.57.34-20111008035220

I was reiterating that Garen is pretty useless after early and mid game. His late game just doesn't scale very well. Not sure why you think I hate him or whatever, probably more over-defending my fav champion bs. Yeah I still win games with him, but if the game ever reaches 40 minutes, you really do start to feel useless. His advantage is his early game damage which can net him kills which can give him an item damage that lets him continue to compete against other champions into mid-game and through that way you can win by absolutely dominating the other team. But if they ever catch up - not even do better than you but just catch up - you're at a disadvantage because almost all other AD or Tanky AD champs just become better than you either through damage, mobility or utility.

Comparing Garen to Wukong doesn't mean anything. The recent utility buffs made him playable, as opposed to being useless, but he is hardly strong as a general pick. Like I said he can counter "early game" singed and "early game" nasus but he still gets shut down by other tanky DPS with mobility skills like Lee Sin or Nasus and range DPS who pick up boots as their first item also counter him easily. The fact that you mention you still win because of facecheckers and stuff just lets me know that you're not playing at a very high level.