Talk:Bami's Cinder/@comment-39368203-20190607003719

533 gold for hp, 367 gold for that passive. It's a good deal for tank junglers. At level 8 it deals 23 magic damage per second to all monsters around you.

Upgrading it to Cinderhulk might not be as efficient. 920 gold for hp, 1230 gold for a stronger effect (at level 8 it deals 76 magic damage per second to all monsters around you), a smite effect and some minor enhancement to the starter item. Surely it will be good after a buying a big hp item to gain more of that 15% of bonus hp.