Talk:VPBE/@comment-24385282-20160225215630/@comment-24385282-20160227190514

I think the main problem with your argument is you're calling these abuse cases, which makes them sound bad. AP, AP , and AP aren't any more powerful than their meta builds, so what's wrong with using them an a way they aren't intended? Calling it an "abuse case" makes it sound like the old AP.

@Empty: The damage on the skills aren't toxic, I mean when built full AD they do even more damage than when full AP, so that's not a problem. And you're saying any of these builds are popular? Excluding, I've never seen a single other person do any of these, and I myself haven't even done AP Rek, the only exceptions being one YouTube video for AP Rek'Sai and one for Rengar.

You say yourself AP Jarvan has nothing worthwhile, I fail to see how you can turn around and say "but he isn't balanced" - unless you're trying to say he's severely underpowered, which would be accurate.

I enjoy AP Jarvan and Rengar and used to enjoy AP XIn Zhao for the same reason people enjoy AP. They do a lot of something, but don't do it in a toxic manner. , AD J4 will always deal more damage than full AP Jarvan, and that's all that their AP builds give them: damage. So it is balanced, or at least it's closer to being balanced than their meta playstyles if those are OP, considering they actually deal less damage overall and lack some of the strengths of their main playstyles.

I don't expect Riot to ever buff AP J4, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying it would make an already-fun playstyle more fun, but it would make neither his meta nor his non-meta playstyle OP or toxic. They don't need more interesting gameplay and they don't need to be "balanced," considering they're underpowered if anything. They're fun as they are, and only as toxic as their meta playstyles, so what's really the issue?

TL;DR: These guys aren't toxic. Their AP builds are more fun but less powerful than their AD builds. If they aren't toxic, but they are fun, I don't really see what's wrong with them. AD Rengar is stronger than AP Rengo, AD J4 is stronger than AP, and AD Rek is stronger than AP. So if their AP builds are toxic, their AD ones must be too - don't blame the "gimmicky" playstyle for being toxic when they aren't the problem.