Talk:Kayle/@comment-25304344-20150908133204/@comment-25447003-20150909155813

@   RukiMotomiya : Yes her R is kind of her signature (actually it's the same with most of the champions - and that's completely legal for 'ultimate' ability).

But even that R has been nerfed 25%-30% range (1200 -> 900) and CDR (was 60 secs or so - which is significant when against short CD ultimates like Katarina, Lux, Ryze, LeBlanc, Diana, ...).

Compared to some other anti-burst ultimates, it's not always superior.

+ Tryn's R can be used when stunned (including super types such as suppression/charm/taunt) whilst Kayle's R can not. The more higher ELO you play, the more you see how important a stun is (and the better usage of the players). And the duration is full 5s which can be more useful against squishy champs (Riven, Yi, ...) or to survive a gank/tower-dive, especially at lv6-lv7 which will snowball whole midgame.

+ The heal of Lulu/Ekko R is permanent and also has extra effects - Lulu's R can knockup and slow makes chance for the champ to escape, and is a very effective bait for Yasuo's R. Ekko's R can blink so more useful for escape and outplays (like diving tower).

+ Zilean's R: his AP scale on R is huge (200%AP), and the base heal is high enough - 600 base at lv6 (where the champion has around 750-850 HP). At lategame it's less effective against burst, yet it still can disrupt the teamfight by making the opponents lose target and may not keep position properly.

Anyway, I believe Kayle needs some buff to compensate 2 nerfs in a row - whilst others are buffed and the Juggernaut rework!