Talk:Ryze/@comment-74.233.124.143-20121123192222/@comment-5151680-20121127050412

The difference is is that abbysal should be replaced by the chalice upgrade that was made for supports. It gives 5 less MR than BV and the same amount of mana, but it gives the chalice's passive mana regen, and that amazing active.

Also, muramana is ana amazing item on him, to the point that if he has time to fully stack the second tear, and if the enemy team isn't stacking MR (ie, you have an AD top they want to build against), then the it can be better than void staff.

Because the 1000 mana from muramana and seraph's stack, he has more mana than he previously had, and his Q/W do an addition 8% of his current mana. So long as the enemy carries aren't stacking MR, that gives ryze amazing damage potential.