Talk:Hecarim/@comment-99.113.92.214-20120418031421/@comment-75.133.147.122-20120418063601

Anyone can do well with buffed stats. That's not why you get Trinity Force. The stats are incredibly minute for the cost unless you also have the proc. The proc isn't near as good as said for a few reasons.

1. Move speed diminishes, which has been discussed.

2. TF works off of BASE attack damage, no improvements put into consideration. If you have a 100 damage proc and you add another 100 AD, you still have a 100 damage proc.

3. Passive damage is improved off of BONUS movement speed, meaning 320 of your move speed doesn't add to your damage. Otherwise you would start at level 1 with 90 attack damage without runes or masteries considered.

4. No CC. Beside his ultimate, he has nothing. Trinity would work on procs for slow, but reliability will probably be important on a character this highly melee-oriented, even with the speed. His ultimate is all he has, other than that, he's a glorified Jax.

The only thing he has going for him is the low cooldown skill, but those characters are a dime a dozen. Other than that, Phantom dancer is way better. Better move speed, cheaper, better attack speed for his improved passive damage, and considerable crit for that damage. I would say that a couple phantom dancers will work quite well, but he's going to need much more tankiness to survive his lack of CC or range, plus long cooldowns on heal/dash skills.