Talk:Talon/@comment-24853658-20180308050910/@comment-1920550-20180310204756

Ok, first off, big bold letters, doesn't actually get the point across any better, it only makes you sound like a petulant child.

Second let's look at old Talon. His old passive was almost useless because he only had a minor slow on his E and even with it, the % amp was pretty small (Was what, 10-15%?). Second his old E was boring as all shit. Yes it was fast and made for the occassional WTF moment when you snowballed, but that was about it.

People played Talon alot because the "parkour" theme on his E made him an incredible roamer and his new Q made him a melee destroyer in the early game. You mentioned how other assassins (Rengar, Kha, Zed, Fizz) could one shot in a single second. Well you don't seem to understand context or reasoning.

- Lethality was overtuned on multiple points of the game.

- Kha only became a "one-shoter" after receiving two patches worth of buffs after the assassin rework.

- Rengar was hardly a one-shoter because of how his Q damage worked as a two-part spell.

- Zed was arguably the AD assassin that still retained most of his one shot potential. Oddly enough Talon was one of his major counters in the assassin class both prior and especially after the rework due to his Q mechanics.

- And Fizz? You kidding me? His W has a 2 second timer (one of the highest waiting windows for an assassin) and his ult needs to be thrown from almost a mile away to maximize the damage. So no he doesn't have the one shot potential he used to have, not without jumping through quite a few extra hops to get there.

Now going back to Talon. There is nothing his old kit can offer that can make him better as an assassin. Only thing that his old kit did better was the lack of the W delay. That's it. That was how bad old Talon was. New Talon, while not perfect and in need of some tweaks, has a much better design.

Also now, he has buffs on the PBE, where his passive now scales up to level 18  (a major request from Talon players) and the AD scaling on his ult is getting a 20% increase per hit. Which translates to a better lategame, which has always been a problem in gameplay.

And now with AD assassins no longer needing to rely on Duskblade (with it getting a damage nerf and most assassins getting compensation buffs), Talon can go into Ghostblade first item, which has always a staple to his roaming gameplay. So if anything once 8.6 drops, most assassins should be left in a better spot than before and Talon in particular should be decently strong.