Talk:Graves/@comment-1120494-20140917133437/@comment-5266525-20140920030035

It would be nice if you could show your calculations because those numbers look very suspect to me as well.

Even besides that, Graves has more range, is tankier and has a pseudo blind for locking off an area for enemies to stand in. If he really was much weaker than Lucian the two would not be occupying around the same winrate brackets (and neither are terribly mechanically complex that someone can claim it's not a good indicator).