Talk:Vayne/@comment-4031457-20110628184002

Vayne still does ridiculously high single target damage in my opinion, more than any other AD carry by far. Of course, she lacks easy CC and AoE damage, but I'm not sure that matters so much when your squishies get three shot by her.

She still "feels" like she does way too much damage. I'm not sure if a ranged AD carry should be able to three-shot another ranged AD carry, because unless they have their end game builds (the only offensive items I had were Bloodthirster, Phantom Dancer and a B.F. Sword), I don't think most ranged AD carries can achieve that sort of immense damage.

I think the natural comparison would be with Tristana though (both being single target ranged AD carries). What Vayne gains over her in damage and stealth she loses in safety and mobility. Tristana's range is enormous and her Rocket Jump usually guarantees her safety. With Vayne I find myself running Cleanse / Flash to achieve that level of safety.

Still... doesn't anyone else think she does too much damage? I had my second game as her recently even though I bought her at release (sometimes I get a little shy with the new champions, especially the hard carries) and rolled 22/7/7. And four of those deaths were greed.

Also, I'm still one of the few people who think Twitch is very effective. Just not as easy to faceroll as before (learn to build defensive items).